What's wrong with the WASR

nothing, it's just a baseline ak

>single stack

>>30591410
>the rifle is designed to give itself a huge scratch on the side

>>30591410
AK's are over priced these days. Spending 800 bucks gets you a long way if you build your own AR from the ground up instead of an AK

>>30591446
It;s like you don't know that constant contact deters rust.

>>30591410
>Non mil spec receiver

> New wasr barrels are pencil profile and melt down after 260 rounds full auto)

>Wood is complete shit and adds cost since it needs to be replaced

>Non mil spec single stack bolt

>General romanian shit quality with nics and marks all over the finish

>cheap park finish


>way overpriced at current times, they were great buys for $550 max.


Npap or premium (Arsenal,ect) is the current standard, avoid U.S made including DDI.

>

>>30591464
It's like you don't take care of your own property.

>>30591484
>Non mil spec receiver
>New wasr barrels are pencil profile and melt down after 260 rounds full auto)
>Non mil spec single stack bolt
Are you fucking high?

>>30591517


Receiver lacks magazine well dimples to strengthen the receiver,show me where the barrel is not what I just said.

the new wasr has a commercial single stack bolt intended for cycling from single stack civilian magazines and not a military spec double stack bolt, malfunctions are rare due to a single stack bolt but it does happen.

>>30591543
Let me repeat the question- are you fucking high?
First off, it's not 2008 anymore, second off you're assuming every wasr out of the box is full auto.

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>>30591484
>Receiver lacks magazine well dimples
Okay, that's autistic, but technically true.
>how me where the barrel is not what I just said.
How the fuck can you possibly think a CHF barrel would melt after 260 rounds? Are you fucking retarded? Do you have any idea how soft that steel would have to be? Are you getting a pin walking out confused with a melting barrel?
>the new wasr has a commercial single stack bolt
This is just outright wrong, I will show you pictures of my bolt from my 2015 WASR if it will shut you up.

Fucking kill yourself you clueless retard.

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>>30591497
>It's like you don't take care of your own property.
No rust here famalama

>>30591517
>>Non mil spec receiver
He's technically right. No dimples means it's not.
The barrel part is wrong though. I used to think the same until a month ago. If you watch that IV video, the barrel remains fine, it's the trunnion cross-pin that gets fucked up.

The WASR is a WASR. It's no-frills baseline. Apart from the price getting higher, it's the literal AK of AK's in our market.

>Hurr no it's not
Arsenals are a fucking expensive version of a rifle that can be had in Full/auto flavor for mere dimes in shithole countries. The WASR lives up to AK lineage while maintaining a lower price.

>>30591570
Can I see your bolt to see if that faggot is right about the single-stack bolt?

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>>30591570
>Bolt

>>30591570
Post pics of your "single-stack" bolt.

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>>30591593

>>30591484
>this much misinfo
wew lad

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>>30591603

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>>30591648
That should clear things up.

>>30591484
What's wrong with DDI?

>>30591674

Their QC has been very shaky throughout the last year

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Can I get in on this?

>>30591561

Not at all, other makes of AK's have gone for more rounds full auto and not drooped to the point the gun no longer works, it is indeed a worse barrel then everyone else.

>>30591614

prove me wrong.

I was going to get a china ak but I got an ar-15 instead
Might get a saiga if I can find one for a decent price

>>30591410
no magwell dimples

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>>30591689

No bayonette lug or flash hider because your a NJ fag

>>30591561
You are a 'tard, be quiet.

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>>30591703
Get off of this board Jason. Go back to red-dit. Silly man

>>30591701
>what is half of this entire thread, alex

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WASR IS CUTE, DON'T BULLY WASR

>>30591754

People posting pictures of them owning inferior non mil spec rifles?


I posted why the Wasr is a non mil spec civilian commercially exported rifle and is inferior to pretty much every other non u.s made AK, and I posted the reasons so.


again, prove what I said is untrue.

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>>30591770
>WASR IS CUTE

WASR is not cute. WASR is fucking beautiful like a Mack truck.

I love every sound of the carrier cycling...

>>30591806
>THE BOLTS ARE SINGLE-STACK
>No they aren't, here's mine
>BARREL MELTED
>You're a fucking idiot, that's physicically impossible and you're idiotic mind is seeing that instead of a barrel pin walking out
ohnoitsretarded.png

>>30591770
Why would anyone dust cover mount

>>30591833

I think that's an RS Regulate mount.

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>>30591806
Go ahead and post your NPAP, I wanna link that AKOU vid. :^

>>30591410
it costs $700 instead of $300

>>30591853
Arsenals only here, but I'll the same logic your attempting to, since eric's wasr barrel took a shit all it's good we agree all Wasr barrels are trash.

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>>30591806
>and is inferior to pretty much every other non u.s made AK

Yet that full-auto range in Nevada has a slew of WASRs that keep on trucking, according to them.

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>>30591823

>yes they are single stack, proven by the pictures people have posted of their wasrs.

>the barrel lost all it's structural form and drooped.


single stack bolt left, mil spec right

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>>30591884
Can someone translate this?

>>30591887

thats a older wasr built on military parts kits,the barrel is also thicker.


I'm talking the new production commercial spec wasrs (2014 and up)

>>30591906
You'll have to mind my iPhone 6s, and if thats your response I'll just assume I've one the argument since you have stooped to insults and have no facts to disprove anything I have said.

>>30591905
>>the barrel lost all it's structural form and drooped.

Someone didn't fucking watch the last three minutes of the same goddamn video he's citing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlL-uRkJ0yA
7:45 and on, retard. Next time watch everything.

>>30591906
I only own Arsenal rifles, but using your logic that a conclusion can be drawn using a sample size of one I could easily say WASR barrels are of poor quality judging by the poor performance of the WASR-10 in YouTuber IraqVeteran8888's AK meltdown video.

>>30591914
>the barrel is also thicker.
Dude just fucking stop.

>>30591939
See>>30591930

>>30591923
Maybe if I could understand your gibberish I'd be able to attempt to retort, anon. ;^

>>30591942

It is, look at it, the commercial parts wasrs barrel is thinner, and probably junk metal, since some Ar's have pencil profile barrels and have no failed so soon in full auto dumps.

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>>30591906
Post more gote fag

>>30591939
MUCH better!

And in response;
Who said I thought it was a valid argument? Maybe I'm just slinging shitposts at a dumbfuck anon on 4chan at 2 AM? ;^

>>30591930

>trusting anything eric the fudd says

he also said the C39v's are good guns in his second to last video, dudes a gunstore bubba.

The barrel did not walk out, You must have missed the several threads on akfiles and even responses from Rob ski on the matter, the barrel drooped enough the gas piston could no longer return to the gas block.


They end up hitting the barrel against a tree to straighten it out, next time watch everything in the vid.
still waiting on some facts to disprove anything I have said. =)

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>>30591956
>the commercial parts wasrs barrel is thinner
You cannot make this shit up, good luck with this clown AKfags.

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>>30591956
>It is, look at it, the commercial parts wasrs barrel is thinner, and probably junk metal
Christ, when does summer end

>>30591985
>They end up hitting the barrel against a tree to straighten it out
You actually think hitting a barrel against a tree trunk is going to straighten it out? You're just fucking with us, aren't you anon? Sneaky, sneaky anon.

>>30591964

You did, when you tried to respond (and deflecting from a attempt to prove what i said as wrong because I'm right)

You said to show a Npap so you could post a video on rob ski's failing, so by stating this you are trying to say that Npaps suck because one failed in a video.


Eric's failed in a video, using the same response I guess you would also agree that all wasr's must suck as well since one failed in a video.

>>30591985
>>trusting anything eric the fudd says
Then you can't fucking cite the same video for "HURR DUH BARREL IS WEAK" you stupid fuck.

>The barrel did not walk out
I literally just watched it. Again. The barrel walked right the fuck out, dropped, sizzled, whatever the fuck
>hit it against a tree
They say, twice, they hammered on it. And they get it to work again the same fucking day.

>>30591905
I could see how this has the possibility to cause problems but in my experiance as well as alot of other wasr owners experiances it has not caused any problems, my friends slr has had more problems due to light primer strikes than my wasr has had problems period. And for the price difference between an slr and a wasr i could replace the bolt with a mil spec one and check headspace and still have money for new furniture mags and ammo. The wasr is a great rifle I dont get the problem that arsenal owners have with it. Of course it is going to be rougher than a slr it costs 300-500$ less. It really comes down to how much you are willing to spend.

>>30592002

When did I post that I think hitting a barrel against a tree will straighten it out?


Did you not watch the video when Eric the fudd did this to fix his failed wasr barrel?

>>30592015
If you weren't so fucking hilarious I think I'd feel sorry for you.

>>30592019
>They say, twice, they hammered on it. And they get it to work again the same fucking day.

Yea they did, because the barrel drooped and would no longer cycle, making it move the other way it would cycle again because the gas piston could return to the gas block.

>>30592044
How about you don't post what we agree on and instead address the other shit.

>>30592033


Come back when you have some facts to have a argument or can prove what i have said as untrue, by using insults you confirm that I have won.

>>30592025
>The wasr is a great rifle I dont get the problem that arsenal owners have with it

Elitism so that their $1000 purchase feels validated.

Meanwhile my WASR doesn't bubble her finish off, or have a gay "two stage" trigger that is more hazardous than useful.

>>30592057
I will personally suck your dick if you can even begin to prove your claim that that ridiculous "pencil barrel" exists, 'kay?

>>30591484
Most people, including myself do not have a full auto AK so barrel melting is not a big concern. It is not the best wood but I haven't babied mine and it has not broken. Who cares about nicks in finish, it's not a Weatherby.

>>30592032
>When did I post that I think hitting a barrel against a tree will straighten it out?
>>30591985
>They end up hitting the barrel against a tree to straighten it out
Yeah, you're just fucking with us. Well played. ;^

>>30592088

I don't want another man to suck my dick, but alright do you see the picture of the commercial wasr up near the top of the thread?


As well as the older (the ones made prior to 2014) about halfway down the this thread?


post when you have these pics side by side.

>>30592105

If you can't comprehend the statement of trying to show where I said that IN THE POST YOU REPLIED YOU SAY I DID IN but then try to show me saying it from a later post, You just can't accept that you can't prove me wrong.

Breaking news: Milsurp fag gets BTFO by equally retarded anon.


God I love /k.

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>>30592164

>>30592184

Retard anon #1 is right when he said ak's are overpriced, buy a AR while the price is low

>>30592211

I never said that show where I said that

>>30592109
Literally nothing comes up on google about newer wasrs having pencil profiles, you're pulling shit out of your ass

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>>30592211
>Buy an AR

>WASR is overpriced
Fucking compared to what? M&P AR is $100 more than the WASR.

The AR I'm building is so far $400 more than my WASR.

>Buy an AR
More like buy a fucking WASR before they get higher, you fucking mong.

>>30591586
>How the fuck can you possibly think a CHF barrel would melt after 260 rounds? Are you fucking retarded? Do you have any idea how soft that steel would have to be? Are you getting a pin walking out confused with a melting barrel?
>Haven't seen IV8888 video
You should watch the video

>>30592055
Sooo gonna get back on this or what?

>>30592234

Dude you can buy a Decent AR for $100 more then the cheapest shit heap AK, that's exactly why you should buy a AR and a AK at a later date, because there's no way wasr's will be more then $700 unless Hillary is elected.

>>30591685
>MAC and AKOU tend to do factory tours and shill for them so i don't see why they are so bad

>>30592262
Not retard anon #1, but it is a discussion board, you think everyone should agree with whatever the thread OP says?

>>30592265
>Dude you can buy a Decent AR for $100 more then the cheapest shit heap AK

Again, that would be the M&P; the WASR of the AR world if I understand correctly.

>>30592282

It's the equivalent but it's still a more technologically advanced rifle vs a Stone Age relic.

>>30591985
>Gas piston
That's Verp torture test you moron
>Bolt not locking since barrel walked out of the trunnion
That's a wasr video

>>30592280
I think you are retard anon because you clearly have trouble grasping English and didn't even begin to understand what I was saying. Why the shit ate you pretending to be other anons?

>>30592302
>it's still a more technologically advanced rifle vs a Stone Age relic.

So? Each rifle has its place and purpose. The AK is still a wrecking ball inside of 200m, where the AR will barely get through plywood and still have an effect.

If I'm grabbing one of my rifles for anything other than fun, I'm grabbing my WASR first.

>>30591985
>the barrel drooped
Because it walked out of the front trunnion, because the pin that kept it there wasn't properly heat treated. This is why, at 7:56, he says the barrel walked out. Do you understand now?

>>30592358

Even I'll admit if you look at the video their camera shot down the bore reveals a bend.

>>30592220
Seconding this, usual early morning misinformation spread by foreignfags

WASR barrels are made in the cugir arsenal, there is absolutely no reason for them to make the profile thinner. This would mean they'd also have to recalibrate their tooling for the frontsights, handguard retainers, trunnion, and gas block, which would take a fuckload of time and money. Probably just being dumb and half remembering the slightly heavier profile old school AKs had compared to AKMs.

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>>30592454
Picture to back it up, anon is being a big dumbdumb thinking there's any real difference between that commercial WASR's barrel profile and one from a demilled AKM

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>>30592129

>>30591484
>borrowing other people's opinions
>i dont even know that the facts I stole are wrong
>i dont even own an ak
>you shouldn't buy one because i can't
>my feelings

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>>30591410
I bought a Century NPAP, the newest version with the polish-sized stock. I kinda regretted buying it when I saw the AKOU47/74 vid on it. It basically failed because the Shepard's hook came loose and the trigger pin walk out a bit.
The newest NPAP was 10/10, it feels very sturdy and was perfectly sighted out of the box.

I'd say buy the WASR if you want more options in furniture, as the NPAP is a Yugo can't accept regular AKM furniture.

Get the NPAP for 10/10 kebab removal

>>30592261
Nobody shoots their rifle like that, how did I know you were referring to that video from the moment you came out of your virgincave to shitpost on this glorious board

>>30593398
Correct

>>30592109
Wasrs do not have a pencil barrel dumbshit why would they lighten the barrel profile when the Krink doesn't even have a pencil barrel jackass

>>30592282
The M&P is already more rifle than what most people need so no, you do not understand correctly

>>30591961
kys furfag

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THREAD DEDICATING TO KALASHNIKOV RIFLE

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/06/03/how-many-rounds-can-an-ak-fire-before-it-breaks-down/

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>>30593440
OPAP is better. Dem thick bulging trunnions

>>30593478
Nice OPAP.
CNC Warrior Triangle?
or Manticore?

Any pics unfolded?

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>>30593478
very sexy
serbian ak is nice

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>>30593495
Manticore.
Looked at the CNC one, but didn't like it.

Bought the manticore as a package deal with the stormwerkz hinge.

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>>30593513
Very nice.
Same setup I have on my OPAP.
Looks like you went with Krebs mounting block too.
>Here's what my OPAP looked like a couple years back. No longer use the grip sling mount, have a sling mount I modified to work on the Stormwerkz.

>>30593564
We meet again. I talked to you not too far back about the sling set up to the hinge. I was going to do the same thing to mine, but I haven't gotten around to ordering the sling and sling mount.

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>>30593588
Ah, ok.
I remember you.
Nice to see you're still around.
It's sometimes hard to tell who's who when we're anonymous.

>I really need to get around to taking some newer pics of my rifle.

>I haven't gotten around to ordering the sling and sling mount
No time like the present, friend.
Copes has Yugo slings for $10 (or 10 for $30 and you could sell the rest and probably recoup the total price for your setup) and the sling mount is like $11 from KVAR.

>>30592278
Robski roasted the new DDI QC inspected AK when it was failing to load and the front sight post could be moved by his fingers

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>>30593478
OPAP is bestPAP

>>30591914
Barrels are the same diameter, source: I measured the barrels with calipers on my new wasr 10, and old wasr 10/63 that has a military barrel and they are both the same. Shut it sperglord, you don't know shit. And one video of one failure is not representative of an entire product line

>>30594044
That was IO bro.

>>30591484
You should really consider killing yourself
>>30592164
>>30592184
>being so mad about having bullshit called out you praise yourself
Please just end it.

>>30594659
especially when the test is designed to deliberately abuse the rifle and make it suffer a catastrophic failure

this is also in, Faxon Arms AR Barrels and Vepr barrels are also shit and only last ~850 rounds

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This thread made me pull out all of my AK variants.
From left:
M92 PAP
OPAP
~2002 SAR-1
WASR 10/63 UF 1970 Trunnion date
WASR 10/63 1969 Trunnion date
WASR 10 2015 Trunnion date

Barrel diameters at the gas block are as follows:
M92 .589"
OPAP .608"
SAR1 .576"
10/63 UF .578"
10/63 .577"
WASR 2015 .578"

Let's move on to the bolt and bolt carrier groups

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>>30594993
Interestingly, I didn't know the WASR's had a narrower feed lug than the military guns. I haven't had any feed-related issues on a WASR in regards to the bolt lug.
I did briefly own a really early "PAP M70" with a plastic thumbhole stock and the worst magwell ever that did indeed have a feeding issue from a too-narrow bolt feed lug.

Regardless, on to the BCG's.

I stacked these backwards in relation to the rifle pic above. So from the left it's
2015 WASR, 10/63, 10/63 UF, SAR1, OPAP, and M92

The three WASR bolts on the left have visibly narrower feed lugs than the SAR1 and Yugos on the right

Feed lug width in same sequence:
2015 WASR .350"
10/63 .347"
10/63 UF .348"
SAR1 .424"
OPAP .424"
M92 .425"

>>30594993
>the best way to get a right answer is posting the wrong one
I'm honestly learning more about AKS on this thread than I could have thought to ask myself.

>>30595021
It should be noted that those lugs being thinner does not make them "single-stack". The bolt from a Romy G kit I got a while back was exactly like the WASR ones seen here, so that may be Romanian spec for an AKM bolt. No one has had any issues with it feeding from what I have seen.

>>30595021
Using a flashlight to look at the barrel profile under the handguards revealed a very consistent barrel profile between the three WASR's and the SAR. The OPAP has a slightly thicker M70 profile of course and the M92 is an M92. I was simply too lazy to fuck with pulling the gas tubes and handguards off of all of these rifles because I don't think I've ever had the handguards off on most of the Romys I own.

As far as barrel life, that SAR likely has 10k through it, as I used to bump-fire that thing for days because back when I got that rifle a case of 1000 rounds of Wolf x39 was about $90 shipped.
There's visible wear on the bolt carrier but the rifling is still strong with no issues. I haven't noticed it shooting any differently, regardless. No problem ringing a 10in gong at 200 yards at my local range. Can average 26-28 rounds on the gong out of a 30 rounder if I'm standing.

Same applies for the other WASR's. I haven't put as much through the 2015 WASR 10, but its shiny fresh barrel only has slightly stronger rifling than what is visible in the SAR1.

The OPAP is the most accurate of the group, from a sitting position with a POSP I can consistently keep a 10 shot group in a 3in circle at 100 yards. I mostly shoot Golden Tiger with some Wolf and Tulammo mixed in.

tl;dr
WASR's have slightly narrower bolt feed lugs ~.350" vs .425" nominal width
Barrel profiles are the same and barrel wear is not an issue even with bump firing, etc. Is Kalashnikov.
Buy Kalashnikov. Shoot many magazin of cartridge. Rifle is fine.

>>30595063
Interesting. Well the SAR-1 is a Romy rifle of course, basically a Pre-WASR WASR. During the 90's there were constant McRomy AK variants, WUM-1, WUM-10, SAR, etc. in various ban-friendly configurations including single stack magazines.
The SAR-1 being 'featureless' by the '94 AWB standard (pistol grip + detachable mag only, no threaded muzzle or bayo lug) meant it was made with a mil-spec receiver -note the dimples- and it has a wide feed lug.

Since the WASR's are known to be made in a single stack configuration before being milled out stateside, and the SAR was made in a double stack config, I can't help but believe it really is a single vs double stack thing.
You might have just been boned on your G kit, since so many of those have been mixmastered.

Shit I just remembered I have two AMD-65's as well. Let me check those bolt lugs

>>30595095
thank you for your work, do you think you could post pictures of the caliper readouts on the WASR barrels in case the idiot in here decides to spread his bullshit again?

>>30591770
I need to know which kind of stock you've installed, iWannit.

Both my TGI original-barrel AMD-65's have the wider feed lug. .424" and .423"

I sold an MAK-90 some months back, I wish I hadn't, it'd be a good data point for this.

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>>30595151
http://www.cncwarrior.com/AK-Saiga-Sidefolder-p/25362.htm

>>30595127
Let me see what I can do. I suck with a camera and trying to hold calipers in place with one hand and take a picture with the other is going to be interesting. BRB

>>30594677
I never claimed to be a bright person

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>>30595127
Unfortunately, the pics just get blown out by the flash and the only settings for it on this shit ass old elph are 'auto' and 'on'.

However, I think I can conclusively explain why that'd be bullshit with an AK.

Unlike an AR, where the only thing pinned or pressed on the barrel is the gas block, an AK barrel is pressed into a trunnion at the breech end, and acts as a host for the rear sight block, the handguard retainer, the gas block, and the front sight block.
So the trunnion end has to be the fattest, and the front sight block the skinniest, and everything in between is a specific OD/ID to match that location on the barrel.
The outer diameter of an AK barrel must match these components to make any of this shit work, and there's nothing to gain by re-tooling each of those components for a thinner barrel when everything's set up for that profile already.

So one couldn't go to a lighter/narrower profile barrel without reducing the ID of the

Pic related, it's a Yugo M70 barrel and the location of the components on the barrel is obvious from the demil

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Thanks anyways, glad this debate could be put to rest, not that there was any real faith in the side arguing for the pencil barrels...