F4 thread

F4 is ugly as shit desu fampai

>>30558595
Git out

The only plane that went dogfighting with a dragon...and fly back to base

>>30558916
My new phone wallpaper.

It's difficult to find another aircraft as good looking as the F-4. Simply beautiful.

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>>30559870
The undisputed champion of aircraft beauty will always be the F-14

>>30559946
True. They are both on par in looks terms. Both are stunning. It's just a shame both are barely in service anymore.

>>30560008
Literally only like 3 Iranian F-14s left

>>30558483

Was there any real need to switch to the F-15 and F-16? I feel like the F-4 got retired too early because it was misblamed after Vietnam.

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>>30558483
Those low wings, sexiest jet ever

>>30560271
I feel like it did unfairly bear the burden of the whole "dogfighting is obsolete" thing. I would also imagine the transition to the F-15, 16, and 18 probably had a lot to do with electronics and computing advancements that the F-4 was never designed to capitalize on. That's largely conjecture though.

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>>30560334
>>30560271
Heyo, the viper is a nice ass plane too.

>>30560473
Ever read about the Tehran Incident where an Iranian F-4 intercepted a UFO and had a small dogfight with something that detached from the UFO?

Interesting shit.

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>>30560502
ha, no. so far I read about their war against Iraq, pretty interesting stuff.
http://www.acig.info/CMS/?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=4

>>30560175
I was very surprised when I saw the footage of them escorting the Russian bombers into Syria.
I'm sad that the F-14, my favorite plane ever, only exists in the US now as museum plinth. But it's cool to see a few flying in Iran still, even if they had to bastardize them. Too bad a few couldn't have been kept in flying condition for airshows.

Shit is loud and it leaves a dark smoke trail behind as if it's a coal battleship from pre-WWI area.

>>30558557
my fucking dick!

>>30558483
What is the advantage of having the exhaust below the horizontal stabilizer? And what is the advantage of having downward swept horizontal stabilizer?

>>30561173
>What is the advantage of having the exhaust below the horizontal stabilizer?
None really - it's just a decision they made to get the engine placement they wanted.

>And what is the advantage of having downward swept horizontal stabilizer?
Longitudinal stability. You need a certain size of vertical surfaces to ensure stability. McDonnell Douglas originally planned to have flat wings and tail surfaces (see)
>>30558496
but they found stability issues. Rather than rework the whole plane around a new tail, they just canted up the outer wing sections and canted down the tail.

>>30559946
Agility if F-16 is master race imo

>>30560175
I think it's hilarious that Iran sent a couple of F-4s to intercept a drone and then they got intercepted by F-22s crawling up their tailpipe, and then dropping in directly in front of them. SURPRISE, MOTHERFUCKER.

>>30561441
This ain't a time to loiter, and we ain't got the gas

>>30560271
Yes, there was a need at the time for an improved fighter and improved fighter bomber to use against the Soviet Frontal Aviation forces. The F-4s were still going to be used as bomb trucks but were expected to suffer heavy losses in any likely large conflict. Thus the F-15 was intended for air superiority, and the F-16 as a air-combat partner that also was good at strike roles.

>>30562335
I kind of wish the F-4s got another round of upgrades, including modern engines and avionics. They'd be superb electronic-warfare planes or bomb trucks with that big fat radome, second seat, and oodles of hard points.

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>>30562501
This also might have given me a chance to be a fighter pilot :<

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>tfw Israel is responsible for like 70% of the F-4's air-to-air kill record.

>>30562501
They didn't really have that many low-time airframes. Much of the fleet had been flown pretty hard by the early 80s. The Israelis and I think the Turks both did major upgrades like you mention. No idea how much maintenance the improved versions need.

>>30562315
Dos Gringos?

>>30562591
You're thinking of the F-16, this is the F-4's kill record:

Vietnam War (US Navy) 40
Vietnam War (USMC) 3
Vietnam War (USAF) 108
Soviet border clash 1976 (Iran) 1
Iran-Iraq War (Iran) 68
War of Attrition (Israel) 26
Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55
Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Israel) 4
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 1

Total of 306 kills, 28% are Israeli ones which is still fairly impressive. Though the Iranian claim in the Iran-Iraq War is probably dubious/unreliable so these numbers might be inaccurate.

F-16 has a total of 76 kills though, of which 57 are Israel (76%).

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>>30562501
Sometimes an engine swap is more effort then it's worth.

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RAAF F-4, operated for a short time in the 1970s as an interim between the EE Canberra and the F-111.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_RaAz1n--0

>>30562834
Spain, UK, and Australia are the F-4 operators nobody remembers

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>>30562834

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>>30562841
I had no idea that Spain flew them.

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>>30562841
There may well be a Turkish F4 at RIAT this year.

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Weekday Wings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqEwy5-1jHw

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>>30558595

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>>30558595

>>30560271
>Was there any real need to switch to the F-15 and F-16?

Yes, Mr. "I literally know nothing about any of these aircraft".

>guys why did the aircraft that routinely found itself in turning fights get replaced by aircraft that were actually meant to turn fight?

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>tfw no canards

>>30562335
>>30560271
>>30562335
f-4 was designed before the advent of fly by wire. You could modernized the f-4 but if you're going to use fly by wire you might as well use a design that benefit more from inherent instability.

>>30562663

Israel has a huge percentage (well over half) of the F-15 kills, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mole_Cricket_19

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>The Empire shall rise again.

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>>30562883
>dat flat-top canopy

>>30558483

Did you know that Windows built an easteregg into the software of Windows 10?

Hold Alt and F4 and your screensaver will be changed to F4's doing their thing.

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>>30565974
Was that before or after they added the keylogger?

I would never call the Phantom beautiful...not by any means, but it is very 'striking.'

Why did we build an aircraft that sucked and under performed so badly?

The Tornado GR4 is fully the equal of the F-15E, and the F2 of the F-15C.

>>30568707
....except it's not, at all...

>>30568707
You should probably kill yourself, if this is an indicator of your intelligence

>>30562837
>That short clip of the F-4 lining up on catapult
>Those special paint schemes for it

Beautiful

>>30560840
Only the old J79s.

>>30558557
Gonna need this with sound.

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Still operational in my cuckroachistan. Busy gettin shot down by syrians

Greece still operates them I think, they bought them off Germany iirc

>>30562905
Only the F-16 flew

>>30568586
we are talking about the F4 here not your mom anon

>>30568707
This shit has been posted in other threads too.

Stop trying to make this a meme.

>>30564097

Expandingdong.jpg

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>>30569705

Turkey has my respect in that they stik to this aircraft.

I also like how they use new long range AGMs

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>>30562905
Posting those turk phantoms

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>>30571174

>>30562526
I don't get it... what precludes you from being a fighter pilot?

>>30568963

Who the fuck needs sound when you can quitely make swooshing and blooshing noises with your mouth while watching?

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>>30558483
i'll gladly take an F-4 over an F-35

>>30572922
# of roles.
I have a much higher chance of being stuck on fucking UAVs.

>>30574773
Fear of failure shouldn't keep you from trying, man.

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>>30574977
Well I also have at least 4 years of college, I'll probably be too old or too late.

>>30579085
kek well OP did say anything lol

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>>30565217

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>tfw i will never be awakened at 7:00 in the morning by the monstrous dual j-79s blasting black smoke on after burner again.

>>30558595
Thats just wrong, and my favorite plane is the mig 21.

>>30563946
>distributor of MiG parts
Top kek

>>30585538
Muh dick...

My fucking dick...

MY DICK!

OH GOD, MY DICK!

MY DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK!

>>30588205
>>30588148
>>30585538
I think part of why I like the Phantom so much is that it was the last of our planes to have such awesome nose and tail art while in wartime service.

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>>30588248
bruh

have a piece from one that crashed into inadu knob in the mountains in 1984.

https://pacaeropress.websitetoolbox.com/post/rf4c-660459-inadu-knob-nc-and-tn-3608953

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>>30588248
Vietnam was probably the last war where you will see those kinds of paint schemes on US aircraft.

>>30560175
Weren't these used for Wild Wesal missions up until gulf war one?

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Hey guys I'm an F-4 too, can I play?

>>30590259
Eat Shit And Die.

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I grew up in Austin, TX. Got to see Phantoms fly over my house practically everyday.

>>30576972
So did everyone who does ROTC you dumbfuck

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>>30561173
>What is the advantage of having the exhaust below the horizontal stabilizer?
Keeping the tail high helps mitigate tailstrike issues. Keeping the engines and nozzles forwards near the CG lets you employ big-ass heavy engines without introducing major weight and balance issues.

>>30558483
Look up the Israeli f4 with the j58 engines

A mach 4 f4