My dad told me these are terrible - is he right?

>>30485268
ya

>>30485268
na

>>30485268
Does he have one he doesnt like? Ill take it.

>>30485268
The civilian ones kinda suck. They only take single stack mags without modification, and the trigger and ergos are... meh. Plus 16" barrel is way too long for that thing.

But my dad has one (lol at this thread being about our dads) and I always enjoyed shooting it. Pistol caliber carbines are kind of niche/obsolete but they're always pleasant to shoot.

>>30485268
I don't know about the ump45 but the ump9 is pretty cool. I had the chance to use both the mp5 and the ump (french gendarmerie), and I liked the ump better.

It feels a little lighter, the recoil is almost non existant, there's a nice 2 rounds burst mode (which makes more sense than 3 rnds imho), rails, foldable stock, etc.

It was just plain better than the mp5, unless you're alergic to plastic.

>>30485268
he is incorrect, ive shot one, theyre very nice subguns

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>>30485268
It's One of the better guns to shoot that I own

Everything I've heard about these suggest they have disproportionate amounts of recoil due to being too light.

>>30486997
That Is wrong, they hardly recoil at all

>>30486997

This is correct, the recoil is nuts. I couldn't see at all when I was shooting it on full auto because it shook my face so hard. The Mp5 didn't have that problem.

>>30486997
nah, theres like no recoil. it reminds you that its shooting but thats about it.

>>30487309
>>30488016
getting some conflicting information here guys

>>30487309
>super light plastic body
>straight blowback
Sure about that?

Just a quick question to those who have shot / own any kind of ump.
Is it just an mp5 in a plastic case or are there any noteworthy differences in terms of operation (apart from 2 shot burst mode)?

>>30491629
It's a plastic mp5 but available in more calibers . That being said they are supposably decent shooters. My agency has them but we don't get to qual with them.

My only complaint is that it feels kinda cheap compared to other automatics I have shot

>>30491566
Considering I own one instead of just regurgitating things I have heard like a lot of people on here. yes.

>>30492125
Ohhh la-di-da, Mr UMP owner. I'm sooooo sorry.

>>30491817
>supposably
supposedly?

>>30491566
yes i'm sure about that, i've shot one.

>>30491629
it looks better IMO, more calibers, easier mounting of optics, slightly lighter and the comfy ass B&T stock.

>>30485268
From what I heard, the stock will break if you look at it wrong.

>>30494971
B&T stocks are very solid.

>>30491817
MP5 is roller delayed blowback
UMP is straight blowback