delta vs seals

>>30476556
nothing more valuable than experience.

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>>30476622
The "I got DQ'd at MEPS and got cucked from 18X contract so now I have to dress up as an operator" starter pack.

>>30476556
Brother, SEALs are good, but even some well trained infantry can, and has stopped them. They are not meant to be an infantry role. Delta is absolutely ridiculous though. The stuff they do is insane, and they are always suited to direct combat roles.

You want to know why Delta didn't take out Bin Laden? It was actually offered to them first. They pretty much told them to pound sand because they had more important jobs to do.

The only SEAL team that's only comparable to Delta is DEVGRU. Conventional SEAL teams are more of a mix of the 75th Ranger Regiment and Army Special Forces in terms of capabilities. At least Rangers, SF and Delta guys keep their fucking mouths shut and keep their arguing to themselves.

>>30476641
Makes you wonder how common is it for Delta to do a hit and to let the seals have the credit after.

>>30476641
To be fair, DEVGRU only got picked because the commander of DEVGRU at the time was William "Do as I say, Not as I do" McRaven, a Navy SEAL himself.

I'll tell you this though, if Delta was sent in instead, there wouldn't be any media bullshit as a result from the raid.

>>30476622
>that fucking mennonite beard
absolutely disgusting.

>>30476655
I doubt they'd ever do that. At least, it would be released as a "US Special Operations raid" and not a "Navy SEAL raid" just outright.

What pisses me the fuck off is that the current administration is so easy to namedrop Delta as of late seeing as they're involved heavily in the Mexican Drug War and removing taco, as well as in Inherent Resolve in Iraq and Syria.

>>30476674
>being a baby faced faggot

>>30476651
this
Read a book by a Green Beret about shitcanistan, it wasn't all MUH KILLING MUH OPERATING and shit, it was just cool.

>>30476641
>They pretty much told them to pound sand because they had more important jobs to do.

Uh huh.

>>30476641
>They pretty much told them to pound sand because they had more important jobs to do.
[x]

>>30476622
If he ditched that hood he wouldn't look like such a tool

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>>30476682
They put the "quiet" in "quiet professional"

>>30476681
>>being a baby faced faggot
Hypocrite. If you can't grow a decent beard you shouldn't grow one at all. Fuccbois like the guy in the picture with no cheek hair should be clean shaven at all times.

>>30476556
What is the significance of OP's pic?

>>30476572

Except maybe a body and mind that physically at its peak and not way over the hill.

>>30476663
commander of JSOC*

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>>30476705
All ex-Delta dudes. Pat Mac, Paul Howe(?) and Larry Snickers.

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>>30476682
I would absolutely recommend this in a heart beat.

If a SEAL survived a mission without writing a book about it, did it really survive?
But yeah Delta keeps it much more professional, they dont boast about their deeds, they stay out of the spotlight. To be fair, is much smarter, the less information to the public, the better

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>you will never be a stinky seal let alone delta

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>>30476711
>Larry Snickers

>>30476716
>If a SEAL survived a mission without writing a book about it, did it really survive?

TOP FUCKING KEK TO BOTH POSTS

>>30476722
Not with that attitude.

>>30476556
>Also in general, does /k/ favor first or latter as the ultimate cool guys doing cool shit unit?

First of all, what makes you think anyone on /k/ has anything valuable to contribute to this? I think anyone who's opinion would actually matter on this subject probably isn't allowed to share it with random strangers on the internet.

But since you asked, I'd say the title of:
>ultimate cool guys doing cool shit unit
goes to either the SAD/SOG or anyone who's part of JSOC.

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>>30476706
i've met plenty of young, very fit dudes who were retards and would probably get you killed.

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>>30476735
Well, SAD mostly recruits dudes out of Delta.

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>>30476655
In one of his books, Dalton Fury, an ex delta operator, eluded to the fact that they do just that. Even for the bin laden hit. Like a team of them could have been there but no one can say shit about it.

>>30476636
>couldn't make it into the military

>somehow make it into the most exclusive and most active federal law enforcement agency around

Wat

>>30476735
Isn't 90% of SAD/SOG paperwork and 10% being in haji gear and doing things that warrants a CAB rather than a CIB?

You're basically a glorified spotter for Tier 1 National Mission Units.

>>30476751
My fucking negro, those 4 books are top tier /k/ fiction. I just saw that he announced a fifth book scheduled for next year.

In his books he is also very vocal about Delta's disdain for seals.

What are some weapons of choice for Deltas? Guessing HK416 must be one of them.

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>>30476748
Anyone can apply for SAD/SOG, its just that JSOC guys have more weight in their dossiers, followed by vanilla SOF guys, followed by conventional infantry guys all the way down to guys in a local SWAT unit.

>>30476751
Well they can go as far as to say that the smelly hajis they were with did the entire Op.

>>30476763
I've read Kill Bin Laden like 10 times, where does he say that.

Also why the fuck do Tier 1 dudes write books if they know they're gonna get PNGd from their respective communities? It's like fucking shooting yourself in the foot.

>>30476791
We'll never know because they never talk.

>>30476791
hk416c, yes.

>>30476754
>Isn't 90% of SAD/SOG paperwork and 10% being in haji gear and doing things that warrants a CAB rather than a CIB?
If I knew the answer I wouldn't be allowed to share it. That was my original point. That said, my experience in life so far has been that 90% of everything is paperwork, and I don't see why SAD/SOG would be exempt from such a fundamental principle.

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>>30476706
Funny the human mind isn't done developing until mid thirties.

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>>30476794
Kill Bin Laden is not the book we are talking about. He has 4 books that are fiction.

Black Site, Full Assault Mode, Tier One Wild and One Killer Force, google for chronological order.. They all continue where the last one ends and are about the fiction Delta dude. Each is roughly 350 pages long, they can be found in ebook format on KAT iirc. Absolutely recommended.

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You now remember that active duty DEVGRU guys consulted for this shitshow of a game.

>>30476798
That's pretty cool, too bad the only thing close that HK makes for the civilian market is the mr223 11", which seems impossible to get a hold of.

>>30476821
B-but I liked that game

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>>30476817
And here's the rar file with all 4 books for you /k/lit dudes.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/jnggda

>>30476817
OH THOSE.

Are they any good reads?

>>30476824
It was cringy at best in a few scenes.

>Hey Stump, if I don't make it, give this to my ex wife
>flips him off
>That's all she gets, she's already got everything else.

Not to mention the dude with the annoying Boston accent.

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>>30476838
My fucking nigger.

>>30476735
SAD/SOG are not that great

>>30476807
Because paperwork should only be for guys to keep track how many somalian muslim bulls fuck their wives on a daily basis, like you.

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>>30476821
>tfw MoH 2010 was actually pretty good
>tfw it was looking like the MoH series might make a comeback
>tfw Warfighter fucked it all up and the MoH series is dead again

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What's the highest rank and position of influence a SEAL has held in America?

Pic related is U.S. Army SF

>>30476867
Make way gents, we've got a real operator here.

>>30476869
MoH 2010 was banned from all military bases.

>>30476876
Petreaus was never SF.

>>30476869
Yeah, sadly had some flaws and EA just dropped support for it. The company that made it got turned into Dice LA which literally saved BF4 and gave it another year of life cycle, ironic. Really miss the ability to change barrel length, stocks, yse proper sights, authentic weapons, play as your country's SOF.
Even got a Zero Dark Thirty map pack before it lost support

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>>30476681
Prologue bit from the 2nd Dalton Fury book.

>>30476838
Thanks man.

>>30476895
DEVGRU BTFO

https://youtu.be/XDTW9Dd7ORM

>>30476706
25-35 are top peak for military men.

>>30476899
You are welcome. Small bit of warning - first book is slightly slower paced than the following three. In first book main character is a PNG'd ex-delta operator sent on a one man suicide mission. Latter 3 have him back in the unit doing cool guy delta boys stuff. First one is still excellent, just doesn't quite represent the entire tetralogy.

>>30476622
worst of it all, these faggots dont actually go into where the crime happens unless its 50 of them and it becomes a televised event. why stop crime when you can police mostly law-abiding citizens for that juicy fine money

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>>30476838
Do you have Kill Bin Laden? It has no seeders on Kat.

>>30476556
Seals are like Vegans, you will know who they are because they will tell you.

>>30476706
After you've been in the military for a number of years you just end up tough as fuck in ways that young guys can't really appreciate.

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>>30476895
Thanks for posting that I was about to do the same

>>30476946
I got you, gimme like 5 minutes and I'll upload it, alongside other /k/ lit shit.

>>30476974
A true hero, nice with some reading material for the summer.

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>>30476974
Awesome. Can I make a request? One of my favorite operator books is Cold Zero by Christopher Whitcomb about FBI HRT. It's not on KAT and my physical copy is an advanced reading/review copy I got on ebay. It's rare but has some typos. But I love the book and want it on my kindle. It's maybe the best war memoir ever imo. Because it was written by an actual professional writer instead of some lunk head seal from texas.

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>>30476946
I don't, sorry. I'm sure it can be found with a bit of effort but I am actually posting from work laptop tethering my phone's data bandwidth since internet is down.

Also I am reading some of Marcinko's books at the moment, precisely Rogue Warrior series Seal Force Alpha book. And fuck me, it's retarded as shit compared to DF.
Sure, it's a bit snappier and it has a lot of jargon in general, author also likes to semi-seriously insult the reader when he predicts that reader didn't pay attention to remember a detail or two from the precious chapters but still, it's so fucking typical SEAL gung ho mentality.

>muh warrior creed
>muh warrior spirit
>muh seal rooty tooty point and shooty operator persona
>muh french braid ninja body delivering 350 rapid blows to an enemy paki in 3 seconds

It's just so boasting.

Other than that, I read Nicholas Irving's The Reaper before that. Short but very very immersive read considering that it's all real, non fiction, about a ranger sniper operating inna shittystan with SR25. Written in a very humble way, I remember watching some of the dude's interviews on youtube after and him straight out admitting that he was pretty much the worst dude in Ranger tryouts, rucking and shit, always last.

Link:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ql2cd7

>>30476995
Here you go.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/xcib6f

It has:

>13 Hours The Inside Account of What Really Happened in Benghazi
>100 Deadly Skills The SEAL Operative's Guide to Eluding Pursuers, Evading Capture, and Surviving Any Dangerous Situation
>Among Heroes A U.S. Navy SEAL's True Story of Friendship, Heroism, and the Ultimate Sacrifice
>Fearless The Undaunted Courage and Ultimate Sacrifice of Navy SEAL Team SIX Operator Adam Brown
>Inside Delta Force The Story of America's Elite Counterterrorist Unit
>Lone Survivor The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10
>No Easy Day The Firsthand Account of the Mission that Killed Osama Bin Laden
>No Hero The Evolution of a Navy SEAL
>The Mission, the Men, and Me Lessons from a Former Delta Force Commander
>The Red Circle My Life in the Navy SEAL Sniper Corps and How I Trained America's Deadliest Marksmen

>>30477003
Don't have that one although it sounds like a good fucking read. Sorry anon.

>>30477016
I've been looking for the ebook version of this forever. I have a hardcover copy but I can't be fucked to carry it around with me. Thanks a lot anon.

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I think it's funny that dudes on the internet will sit here and debate who's better between two things nobody has any close knowledge about besides heresay on the internet and actually take sides between the two.

Reminder, none of you are JSOC, none of you will likely ever be JSOC.

Feel free to debate shit, but rein it in to a more humble level being as realistically you don't know what you're talking about.

>inb4 Seal lover
I'm the same as you, only difference is I just lurk these things. I don't actually give an opinion because I'm not ignorant and like to boast about things I have no right to.

>>30477055
No one is taking sides, they're great operators, all of them. No one is questioning their ability to kick some motherfucking ass.

It's the shit they do outside of the battlefield that makes people tick.

>>30477073
I agree. It just makes me cringe to read shit like

>You want to know why Delta didn't take out Bin Laden? It was actually offered to them first. They pretty much told them to pound sand because they had more important jobs to do.

Okay buddy.

>>30477087
Well that was that one jerkwad, some of us here actually are having a nice discussion about the word "quiet" in "quiet professional" and not some short story some airshitter probably wrote.

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>>30477055
Sure thing seal lover.

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>>30476895
delicious devgru salt

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>>30477055

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bump

>>30476706
There are PT studs who are chicken shits when under fire and there are old men with 260 PT scores whom operate on an everyday basis. It's impossible to determine who will be effective in combat before it happens and even the military admits as much, therefore it's better to stick with soldiers you KNOW won't crack vs a bunch of untested newbies.

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>>30476726
He may be a cunt now, but back in the day, he was hot shit.
>pic related

>>30476622
What a fucking faggot.

>>30476622
who is he supposed to be even

>>30476932
The job of the police isn't to prevent crime it is to apprehend suspects. Crime prevention is the point of policy.

>>30477379
See >>30476636

>>30476794
>Also why the fuck do Tier 1 dudes write books if they know they're gonna get PNGd from their respective communities? It's like fucking shooting yourself in the foot.

Because if you're too old to operate anymore it doesn't matter that they won't let you take Relook anymore. Turns out that being banned from the unit formal is not a very powerful disincentive, especially if you'd rather drink beers with a buddy in your RV. Furthermore if you operated for reals it's not like your friends are going to throw you under the bus for writing a book.

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SEALs < Delta

DEVGRU = Delta

It's a bad comparison. They both have different missions and aren't really comparable. DEVGRU and Delta more or less have the exact same mission capabilities, however.

SEALs get a bad rap because they're popular and more widely known. They tend to do the more high-risk type stuff compared to SF, and Rangers always have a lot of support when they do missions.

SEALs like to sneak around in four man teams without any air support very deep in enemy territory, which tends to get them killed often. When SF does that, they have a bunch of locals that they trained for six months coming along for the ride, and if Rangers do it, they bring armor and air support.

So because everyone knows what SEALs do and that it's hard to get into, every alpha male swinging dick jerkoff with an inflated ego that wants to be the next lone survivor joins the military to be a SEAL. Not that they don't do a good job or aren't capable, they just brag about it after they're done.

Whereas for SF and Rangers and such tend to be guys who were already military and found out about those types of units after being in for a while.

Just my unorganized thoughts on why SEALs can be jerks. And I heard that most of the frat boy jerk types that don't grow up after BUDS and selection tend to get put on ST3.

I got the chance to attend a presentation done by a former delta. Mostly a recruitment thing, but the inevitable question about delta and seals popped up. His response boiled down to this
>Youth kills
>Professionalism
>Insert implied homosex about sister services
Overall an interesting dude. He recycled and I can't remember what portion, but basically they had a liter that weighed 300lbs and they had to carry it a good distance before a certain time. Long story short, he broke the nose of another guy who was slacking on carrying the litter and throwing little tantrums because he wasn't fit enough.

>>30476695
>They put the "quiet" in "quiet professional"
That they do. I've told this story before, it's about a brush with death and a certain SGM who /k/ adores

>Be me, EOD tech in training
>Laying face down in blast pit, taking wiring apart on simulated IED
>Not in gumby suit, no gloves
>Feel tap on my boot, look back
>Old guy in khakis smiling a creepy weird fucking smile
>"Son, take a look at your left pinky. You're dead. Try not to do that again."
>Look at hands, sure enough my pinky was sticking out and on the negative wire from the IED's "battery."
>Fully creeped out, don't know who this guy was, ask
>"That's SGM Vining, he's here to do a seminar and just wanted to check out the trainees. He's been around."
>Find out what "around" means later
>Still creeped out by that smile

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Know a guy who was army SF
Not at all what you'd think, pretty lean guy.
Also really chill, told me some crazy as fuck stories tho
>be this guy in training
>apparently they keep SF trainees in hotels near bases sometimes to make them harder to find
>maid in hotel goes into one of the trainee's rooms
>finds various IEDs
>real fucking m4s
>m67 grenades
>dude was going to kill all of the other trainees
>he never heard anything about it after they arrested the guy
>thinks it was a foreign mole/agent trying to kill a bunch of very valuable people

This guy has the "i've seen some shit" look on his face too

>>30476706
Because rookies are always better, right?

Wtf do you even mean by their minds being in peak condition? Do they do quadratic equations blindfolded or something? Bend forks? What?

Experience and obliqueness will beat youth and enthusiasm every time.

>>30476556
endurance peak for male triathletes is about 36

average age for joining commonwealth special forces is something like 28-30.

ed coad set his world record at something like 37.

>>30476663
during gwot devgru and cag had basically divided theatres between themselves. cag had iraq, devgru had afghanistan.

>>30476889
Seriously?

>>30480024
No. AAFES said it wouldn't carry it because you could play as an insurgent after a bunch of butthurt RAH RAH MURRICA! super-patriots bitched about it. You could buy it off base and nobody would say a word.

>>30476876
>Petreaus
Thats a Ranger tab mijo

>>30476876

Not sure about SEAL, but Stanley McChrystal was special forces and he was as high up as they get.

>>30482276
Gen Norton Schwartz (USAF chief of staff) was SOC aviator and SOC air commander.

>>30476748
>Dude what the heck?!

>>30480112

aafes is fucking retarded. I work at one of their gun counters, and we're not allowed to display (or technically carry) AKs of any kind, and we can never display more than 4 ARs at any given time.

The only thing more retarded than the rules written by people who get paid too much are the idiots I sell guns to

>>30476808
And yet people can't get perfect pitch or achieve native language mastery after 12.

>>30476748
He burned my patch

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>>30476821
>>30476832
>>30476869

>>30477055
I always think about that in this thread

makes me wonder how many of these niggers jacking off actually go out to see the sun let alone serve and let alone do half the shit they dream about doing

>>30479977
What about other regions? DEVGRU had Yemen and Somalia I've heard.

>>30476711
mike pannone, not paul howe

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>>30484142
Naw, I won't say AAFES is retarded (as a whole.) However the ultra-nationalistic assholes who take the time to write to the IG, which got AAFES in the shit need to die.

>I MURRICA SO HARD I GOT AK'S BANNED FROM THE BASE!
>I MURRICA SO HARD I GOT GAMES WHERE MURRICANS CAN DIE BANNED!
>I MURRICA SO HARD...

>>30479569
ON MY POSITION

>>30484507

I could see it being the retards in the military. I was in the army for 3.5 years (that was my contract, fuck off fags) and I don't think I ever worked with anyone as needy or as entitled as the people who shop at the main PX on a regular basis.

just today I had some old fucker about to yell at me because I wouldn't sell him a gun. He told me he just sold his house and is living in an RV, and doesn't have a physical address to use on a 4473. I told him that because of that I couldn't legally sell him a handgun and he goes off on a tirade about "muh 25 yurrs uh service, I have a right to buy a gun adam and eve not adam and steve"

also get a shit ton of asian wives of said retirees who will butt into the middle of what you're doing, whether your arms are full of 50 fucking boxes of ammo or not, to talk to her son on the phone because she doesn't speak english and can't find turtle soup or whatever.

>>30476714
Not sure if you're still following the thread, but I want to let you know at least one guy got the book following your recommendation. Downloading it from audible now (because I work and can't read on the subway)

>>30476791
Doesn't Les Baer make custom 1911s for Delta?

>>30484821
No idea, some sources say they use glocks, others say 1911. I guess they use whatever they want.

>>30479569
ON MY POSITION

>>30476622
Why does he need a shemagh. This isn't the ME

>>30476716
Seriously though. why not use your career to your advantage after you are done, converting your experience and stories into something useful and profitable is a smart move.

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>>30486615

Um, Like, I mean, Operational Secrecy has been a central element of military science since Carl Von Clauswitz. The less your enemy knows about your tactics and methods the better. Many things can be inferred or extrapolated from accounts of missions. Your personal gain from selling the penguin book of the month is less than the benefit to your unit from your methods not being general knowlege.

The Idea here is unit loyalty overrides personal financial gain.

>>30486668
thats why those books are proof red before they get to the market. If the military really thought this was such a big issue then they would introduce a stricter confidentiality clause in contracts or just not approve those books at all.

Just notice how most of the criticism comes from pre-iraq war soldiers who didnt really get to experience all that much. So they are salty because this generation gets do do shit and tells about it.

>>30486615
Yeah its smart for you, but really dishonest in a way on your squad. It's a dirty job, nothing to be proud of.

Thing is, many use it as a cheap way to get publicity. Luttrell put a lot of personal work into Lone Survivor movie, and wanted his friends to be potrayed as accurate as possible, which is honorable. Others will just try tell "cool" tales and let some director make a whatever movie about it.

>>30484142
so they carry aks at aafes?

>>30484736
I agree the murica service members are the fucking worst and some off my buddies are like that spamming cringy shit in fb

But the asian wives (except flips) are way better behaved than negress or white wives who always go muh hubby

>>30477316
>He may be a cunt now
Is he? srs question, got one of his handgun classes near me and thinking about signing up.

>>30484142
AAFES is retarded ever since they instituted all the laws to "protect" their buisiness.

If a bunch of spouses and kids selling drinks/candy/food on motor pool monday is killing their sales, they need to change their fucking business model.

>>30486894
Lol wut??? I always see kids ir groups selling shit or collecting donations near or outside the px what base you talking about?

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bump for more delta stuff

>>30486894
>>30487127
the kids selling things belong to an organization that already "donates" to AAFES. AAFES is pretty much its own weak little mafia org. It's technically illegal to make a soda mess or pull profit on base without AAFES express consent. It literally has nothing to do with profits they just noticed they weren't getting their cut and demand an in.

The reason for the removal of 30 round magazines and the sudden influx of feels removals is because its higher headquarters is based in the peoples republic of kalifornia. There is or was an attempt to stop selling alcohol, cigarettes and firearms at one point. It was part of the 20th century soldier and marine initiative. They succeeded (from what i can see anyway) in only removing certain magazines like FHM and Maxim or the rare porn mag rack.

there was also a poorly guided attempt to remove energy drinks but that go absolutely nowhere and resulted in people being fired

>>30476748
>burning patches

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>>30476641
>The stuff they do is insane, and they are always suited to direct combat roles.

They've denied orders to engage the enemy before. In Iraq, they refused to roll into a city because they knew they would butchered in minutes. They know their limits.

>>30476663
>there wouldn't be any media bullshit as a result from the raid.

What is that suppose to mean?

>>30476556
>I mean, you got 20yo seals. Can these 35yo delta grampas even perform on their level? You so often hear about 30-something pro ball players and how they are pass their peak.
McFucking kill yourself.

>>30488803
>tfw trigger a tripfag

Feels good mane

>>30476714

Yo I bought this last year from a good will in MT. Read the shit out of it when I wasnt working in Glacier. 10/10 would read again.

>>30477016
Fun Fact: Before Nicolas Irving was called "the Reaper" for killing 34 men in 1 deployment, he was called "the ripper" for having a monster cock.

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>>30488856


neat.

>>30488856
I read the entire book without knowing he was black. Photos in the end really kinda changed the voice I head in my head.

>>30488803
Hey Ricky do you have a specific lifting routine you're following?

>>30489087
Really? I could have sworn he mentioned he was black a couple of times in his book.

>>30479569
ON MY POSITION

>>30484821
No. Their old guns were worked over by in house gunsmiths and would be rebuilt in house on the regular. Nowadays they are a glock unit, but I'm sure some guy could get away with carrying a 1911 if he really really wanted to.

>>30488670
Lmao there was a joke that the only activities the military would allow was gym and church i guess it was sort of right

>>30476838
I prefer /k/ilts.

Muh Braveheart.

>>30489219
>>30489087
>>30488856
>>30477016
That's the way it should be.

Guy is such a solid dude who focuses on shit he DID, that trivial details like race baiting or other projecting shit is nonexistent.

>>30477036
>10 books
>somehow 70mb
>but it's in a .rar

not falling for it faggot

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>>30477987