Why are they letting trannies in the us military?

>>30454741
Because it's 2016.

>>30454741
Because even trannies fight better than OP?

>>30454741
Literally who cares. As long as they make the requierements it's no problem.

>>30454741
Whats the green band on their helmets?

>>30454842
Because they are mentally ill.

>>30454842
male wants to wear high heels, take hormones to grow boobs and cut off his dick
>empowered as fuk! yu go gril!
male wants to get a tattoo on his forearm
>DISGUSTING UNPROFESSIONAL!

>>30454741

>We want to emulate the '1941 Red Army' doctrine

>>30454856
ok. true. But what difference does that make? It's not like they're gonna shoot up the base. At most they'll shoot themselves.
You need all the manpower you can get, if they make the requirements who cares.

>>30454854
miles gear

expensive laser tag

>>30454842
Okay, so where will they sleep during basic?

Where will they shower? Which restroom will they use?

You'll be disqualified if you have a history of depression but not if you're currently suffering from dysphoria? Makes total sense!

>>30454854
Laser tag setup.
They're at ft irwin ntc in California for training month on desert warfare.
Adapter on rifle fires a laser when it sense a blank round fired

>>30454871
we don't need all the manpower we can get we need the best manpower we can choose from

>>30454860
>Things that won't ever been seen
>vs something that is always going to be seen, especially in short sleeves
Hmmmm

>>30454875
>>30454881
ooooohhhhh

In the Marine Corps we just point the rifles at eachother and yell "bang bang bang"!

>>30454893
high heels are never seen? isn't that the whole point?

>>30454892
Except for that's a meme. Remember the barrel-scrapings of 2006? That wasn't even a real war.
The more military trained people the better.

>>30454881
MILES gear.

>>30454842
faggot

social liberals are cowards

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>>30454741
Like I've said, we've already been here this whole time!!

I had a bit of a head start, but my hair is too short to be cute.

>>30454741
Because the US is trying to see how low it can go before some one else comes along and kicks their teeth in.

>>30454906
The difference is you can take high heels off for active duty and put them back on as a civilian.

You can't do the same with tatoo's on the forearm

>>30454905
we have miles gear in the corps too but most sup o's wouldnt touch that shit with oprah winfreys dick as its too fucking easy to lose and it rapes GCSS to transfer from ruc to ruc

>>30454915
i'm not a social liberal, you faggot.
Give me 1 reason to be against it? You need all the manpower you can get.

>inb4 they're mentally ill
yes, true, so what? It's not like they're gonna shoot up the base. At most they'll shoot themselves.

Because the Marines aren't doing a good enough job at blowing each other and slapping asses so they need to call in the big guns (me) for reinforcements

>>30454936
>You need all the manpower you can get.

The military is not as desperate for personnel right now as you think they are

>>30454936
So we should open up to all mentally ill then by your argument. I mean what's the worst thing that could happen? If trannies can join why not schizos?

>>30454929
>The difference is you can take high heels off for active duty and put them back on as a civilian.

trannies are allowed to be civilians after hours apparently while the rest of us in uniform are supposed to be soldiers and marines 24/7

>>30454741
Because we should be funding HRT for trannies instead of fixing the USMC's Hornets, which are literally falling apart.

>>30454949
You always need to be prepared.
The US does unfortunately not have conscription, so the more military trained people the better.

>>30454741
At least MtFs can probably make the PT requirements

>>30454919
the face of someone who will eventually kill himself

>>30454954
There's a difference between mental disorder and mentalliy ill.
Schizos are notorious for killing innocents, so I'd never give a schizo a gun.

>>30454957
Actually, I'd imagine if you had a way to take off tatoos while on active service and then put them back on after hours, you would be allowed to have them.

So just get sticker tatoos.

High heels aren't attached to the skin.

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>>30454919
no fucking way. so you're a woman in the eyes of the us military?

>>30454978
Mcnig put your trip back on we all know you're salty because you low key fap to traps and ladybois

>>30454989
thats a man in the eyes of a blind man. it didn't even take the effort to shave its mustache

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>>30454919

>>30454915
>oh muh gawd, you don't believe what i believe
>you must be cowerd

Summer, plz. Though MTF is pure cancer.

>>30454919
>/k/'s princess

You're not a princess. You're not even a prince, you're undeserving of any title of nobility. You are ugly as fucking sin and I hope you kill yourself like 80% of other trannies

>>30454983
nobody cares what you would imagine. You'd imagine a man wearing a dress to be a woman so you aren't exactly someone a sane person would listen to

>>30455003
>trannie can't even stay in regs
Figures

>>30454919
Like they said, cancer.

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>>30454919
Naw dude

>>30455014
Actually he's right. Pretty much the reason tattoo's are banned is because you literally can not take them off and hide them discreetly. How are you not understanding this?

>>30454999
Trips = truth

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>>30454919
>see name
>trip
>about to filter
>see pic
good thing I'm filtering

What standard will they be held to?
Will m-f be held to male or female?
Will f-m be held to female or male?
If m-f is held to female standards, how many guys are gonna suddenly identify as female for the easier standards?

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>mfw 73B

I don't get it. If you want dicks you could just be gay and be done with it.
Nothing against manly men who like men, but trannies and literal faggots piss me off.

Fucking turboleftist degradation of society.

>>30454919

I guess the Air Force will accept any fuckwit that walks into a recruiting station.

>>30455037
and the reason you have to be discreet about tattoo's is? they were becoming more and more common in the civilian world prior to the spergsplosion that cracked down on them

the only excuse for the current tattoo regs ive ever heard is "marines and soldiers are ruining their lives by putting something permanent on their bodies without thinking about it"

"is perfectly fine to cut your dick off if you think your a woman and the military will even pay for it!"

>>30455072
i'd identify as a glock fohtay so i'd have an excuse to go off in peoples hands and get stuff in their eyes

>>30454876
Underrated questions, with the hammer on sexual assault in the training environment it would be hell for everyone.

>>30455094
This
I don't despise homosexuals, I despise faggots

>>30454919
I soon feel to say I was never in the military for having been in the Air Force.

>>30454919
YEAH BUT FUCK ME FOR MY COLORVISION RIGHT?

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>>30455071
Awww, I've missed you guys <3 It's good to be back

>>30455019
I am in female regs. I have been allowed to for a few weeks now.

>>30454937
Come join us, qt!

>>30454871
>You need all the manpower you can get

Trannies make up something like 0.3% of the population. Even if we needed more manpower, which we don't (the military is actually shrinking at the moment), you would not be able to fill the empty slots with trannies because there are so few of them.

As it is, we already have a gigantic population of tens of millions of men and women who could be conscripted tomorrow to do anything we need. Trannies are not a solution, or even a factor, when it comes to manpower.

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>>30455115
>"is perfectly fine to cut your dick off if you think your a woman and the military will even pay for it!"
Actually yeah it pretty much is.

Do you want to know why it's fine to mess with your crotch while it's not fine to do it on your arm?

Because you wear fucking pants and shirt over that. But the arm is always going to be seen. That's it.

Nobody gives a fuck what you look like under your clothes just like they don't care if you have a tattoo on your testicles. Just don't actually show that shit while on duty.

>>30455132
they will just do what they did when females started coming in to the combat MOS' that didn't rate them before.

in the past a 50 room barracks with 100 personnel in it you would expect to see 2 people per room

with females in you started seeing females with rooms by themselves (because they can't get along with other females) at whatever rank

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>>30454919
I think you're cute ^_^


Do they let you take hormones?

>>30455160
>0.3%
I'm pretty sure it's even fewer than that. I just don't understand how minority like that can gain so much influence.

>>30455115
So what you're saying is people who are circumcised shouldn't be in the military because they cut their dicks?

>>30455102
Pretty much. I had a couple of friends who didn't seem like they'd be air force material because of average intelligence, but they got in. I'm sure they were doing shitty jobs.

>>30454919
>airforce
color me unsurprised

>>30455201
>I just don't understand how minority like that can gain so much influence.

Victim culture.

If you're a victim, you have power. If you're not a victim, you need to be made into one.

>>30455199
Yes!!

And thank you!!

Yeah, i already know the deal, I know what my problems are, but it doesn't matter what i look like, I'll catch the same stuff every time, just like I did before I took a break from /k/ a few months ago

>>30454911
More would enlist if it was a real war and not just just a conflict to serve the interests of the oligarchs. People wouldn't deploy for a year and then rotate home either, in a real war you stay until it's over.

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>>30455102
Newfriends visit for the summer. Have fun before school starts up again.

>>30455233
Doyou get suicidal tendencies oftentimes?

>>30455201
>influence
Yes all that influence to join the military, guess we gotta go gas the jews or something now, right?

>>30455235
>doesn't share my opinions on transexuals
>the only explanation is that they must be newfags and underage b&s

pls

>>30455157
>NOPE.jpg
>"Awww, I've missed you guys"
Well I must say I envy your self esteem

So can regular guys juice up because FtM can?

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>>30454919
Learn to contour, if the AF allows eyeliner they should allow contouring

>>30455201
squeaky wheel gets the grease. once the govt teat gets cut off though they will just end up killing themselves when they realize they mutilated their genitalia in a moment of confusion and a fit of hysteria

only part that bothers me is the fact that the military is going to pay for it until it becomes too expensive. Your allowed one cosmetic surgery your entire career payed for by the military so long as its not retardedly expensive or against uniform regs. Most guys i know use it to get corrective eye surgery and most career females get PMS stuff that helps acne.

i expect those funds to dry up and/or get entirely dedicated to giving these mentally defective retards sex changes and eventually going the way of reup bonuses

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>>30455235
(((You)))

>>30455209
most people who are circumcised didn't have a choice and had their foreskins cut off years prior to joining. the military certainly didn't pay for it and it definitely doesn't change their physical standard or housing to accommodate

>>30455257
>these people are shitposting in a thread that has multiple other related threads in the catalog using ghetto memes & /pol/ memes
>happens every summer, is worse during the day, got worse after politics became the trending thing on iFunny, and got way worse after the cuckening
Hence my reason for you all to be niggerfaggots

>>30455254
>guess we gotta go gas the jews or something now, right?
Well now that you mentioned it, I wouldn't mind.

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>>30454880

>Any history of Depression is likely to disqualify you but dysphoria doesn't.

Shame depression doesn't have anything 'sexy' and progressive dressed up about it.

>>30455201

It blew my mind when I learned how fucking SMALL the LGBTBBQ community actually is.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx

Average prediction is 23-25%, when it actually is 3.8%

>>30454741
Honestly who cares? The military didn't destroy itself when fags were allowed to openly join. The military didn't destroy itself when women were allowed to join combat roles. The military isn't going to destroy itself when trannies join.

I mean fuck, they make up what, 0.03% of the population? How many are actually going to join anyways?

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>>30455292
>le echo may may
>lel you's 4 duh trole!!!
>le fawdy kay
It stopped becoming funny once the kikes started actually using it, you're trying too hard

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>>30454915
>these people joining the military are cowards
>why? because i disagree with their beliefs
>>>/tumblr/

>>30455297
>most people who are circumcised didn't have a choice and had their foreskins cut off years prior to joining
Getting your dick cut off 30 years ago results in the same thing as getting your dick cut off 30 minutes ago.

You get a cut dick.

> the military certainly didn't pay for it
The military pays you for your service. Then you decide what you want to do with your money.

That's usually how getting paid works. You can always be a communist if you think people should be limited in how they want to spend their cash.

>it definitely doesn't change their physical standard
Trannies still have to pass the physical too.

> or housing to accommodate
Right, because it's totally normal for there to be unisex barracks. Why bother with barracks for different genders at all?

>>30455360
>The military pays you for your service. Then you decide what you want to do with your money.

the military is paying for gender reassignment you ignorant communist fuck

>>30455316
>The military didn't destroy itself when fags were allowed to openly join. The military didn't destroy itself when women were allowed to join combat roles.
No, it just got watered down, demoralized, and had its entire warfighting ethos fucked over. Which is the idea.

>>30454741
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>>30455360
>Trannies still have to pass the physical too
Yes, but there are different standards for men and women. Which standards do trannies use? They're real gender or the one they claim to be?

>>30455376
>No, it just got watered down, demoralized, and had its entire warfighting ethos fucked over.

No it fucking didn't.

>which is the idea

What would be gained from doing that?

>>30455360
>Trannies still have to pass the physical too.
male to female trannies have to pass female standards which are decidedly lower

>Right, because it's totally normal for there to be unisex barracks. Why bother with barracks for different genders at all?
because people like you parrot the rape and sexual harassment epidemic all day as well

A better question is why not? I don't really see any justification for not letting them in desu.

>inb4 mentally ill

Are they dangerous? Unstable? As long as they are able to function properly then I don't see an issue. They be more likely to have other mental issues but that doesn't mean they all do, and if they don't then literally who cares?

It's like with women, women will have a harder time meeting the standards but those that can should be allowed in combat.

>>30455394
confirmed for not being in the military

>>30455369
Yes the military pays for healthcare just like it pays for education and a lot of other stuff.

Perhaps you'd prefer the military doesn't pay any of that at all?

>>30455386
Sex =/= Gender

One is physical, the other is psychological.

You use the physical standard to gauge the physical.

>>30455404
So then how many guys are gonna suddenly identify as women to get the lower physical standard. Or does that only apply post op?

>>30455409
>They be more likely to have other mental issues but that doesn't mean they all do

i don't want people with mental issues in the military with me

>>30455386
>They're real gender
C'mon man

>>30455412
You can't even answer the question

>>30455415
getting your dick cut off is health care? how many people a year die from having a penis they were born with?

i've had a penis for 32 years and i'm doing just fine. why does johnny-brainproblems absolutely have to have his dick cut off?

>>30455359
>their beliefs

So is Schizophrenia a belief too?

>>30455428
your question isn't worth answering as its like talking to a virgin about sex

>>30455243
No actually, never have

>>30455279
True, will do, it usually takes longer for me, and i try to not put a shit ton on for work, but I'll wake up a little earlier, thanks!!

>>30455404
Yes the female standards are lower, because after enough time on HRT, we are weaker. MtFs haven't been able to take the female test yet, this policy is just now coming out. So far, I have had to bust my ass and pass the male standards

The abdominal circumference measurement is a lot harder for female standards actually

>>30455421
Hormones are the important thing, not surgeries

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>>30454893
>>Things that won't ever been seen
>Trannies genuinely believe no one if going to recognize a tranny
Sure, because putting on a dress and growing out your hair will totally make people blind to the Adam's apple, shoulder to hip ratio, man hands, and man face.
Seriously, I've always wondered, do trannies actually think they're fooling anyone? Do they look in the mirror and think "yup, surely no one will notice I'm a man!"

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>>30455470

Pic related is a woman, would you be able to tell?

>>30454919
What was the process of coming out/telling people like?


Was there an official channel you had to go through to be able to present as female or did you just do it with approval from whoever is in charge where you're at?

>>30455444
>why does johnny-brainproblems absolutely have to have his dick cut off?
because he can't eat pork

>>30455470
>Seriously, I've always wondered, do trannies actually think they're fooling anyone? Do they look in the mirror and think "yup, surely no one will notice I'm a man!"

nah they look in the mirror and see why their parents don't talk to them anymore. Then they take all the emotional anger and depression and force the media to stuff it down our throats so we'll accept them as whatever the fuck they want. The people who don't swallow the koolade (us) end up as outliers and pariahs until something more interesting happens and the trannies are left to fend for themselves

>>30454978
And probably shoot the whole fucking base in the process.

>>30455463
What a cop-out.

>I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAID SO. THERE IS NO NEED TO EXPLAIN UGH

>>30454871
Make requirements or meet them

>>30455497
or a gay bar in colorado

>>30455423

That's why they should be put to the same psychiatric standards as anybody else. If they are determined to not be a danger to themselves or others, and are determined to be stable then let them in. You say being trans is a mental illness, but unless it's couples with other issues it's completely benign and isn't a good justification for keeping them out of the military.

>>30455464
Ok, so there actually needs to be treatment done then to be able to use the lower standard. Granted i don't think the lower standard should exist, but that's not the point right now.
As long as they're receiving the hormones, that's fine. Cuz then you'll only get the people serious about it instead of welfare queen Joe who doesn't give a shit and just wants easier pt regs.

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>>30455444
>getting your dick cut off is health care?
Yes.

Millions of people go to the hospital for it. There are even doctors who specialize in it.

>>30455484
I went through my chain of command, and I have to say, they have been pretty great.

>>30455481
He is a man.

Where did all these SJWs come from?

I mean, I have no problems with gays and all, but some of these posts read like Tumblr posts.

>>30455518
>You say being trans is a mental illness, but unless it's couples with other issues it's completely benign and isn't a good justification for keeping them out of the military.

an adult male looking at his own genitalia and saying "gee i feel like i should have a vagina there instead maybe i should cut this little guy off and take pills for the rest of my so it doesn't close back up" is the embodiment of a mental illness

>>30454929
Sure your can. Just use a laser. Expensive and it will require multiple visits but it's worth it.

>>30455526
if your referring to foreskin removal then congratulations they don't go to a hospital for that

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>>30455423
>i don't want people with mental issues in the military with me
ok

>>30455538
>take pills for the rest of my so it doesn't close back up

lol you don't even know how SRS works anon

just cool your jets

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>>30455527

Assuming you meant because he's ftm trans then yeah, I was just making a point for dumbasses in the thread.

There are already transgender people serving effectively in the military under everybody's nose, but somehow people think that suddenly the place will be filled with 6ft 5in 230lbs jacked guys in makeup, when in reality barely anything will change apart from making some people's lives easier.

Pic related, another person who was born a woman.

>>30455549
don't turn a genuine problem into a sounding board for retards who don't like the way they look

>>30455157
Where have you been?

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>>30455328
>tries too hard
>accuses others of trying too hard
Tell me more

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>>30455449
>Schizophrenia
>The unfounded meme that gender dysphoria is a bodily delusion
The difference between them being one is caused by neural amount and placement creating no dysfunction with perception or cognitive function and the others are caused by misfiringof nuerons, lack of stimulation of neurons, or neurotransmitters. One causes feelings of identification that the individual can tell is unlike what they physically have, while the others cause hallucinations where the individual cannot tell their delusions from reality.

Things Gender Dysphoria is:
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564

Thing's it's not:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

If you're gonna post sick and edgy memes in place of an actual argument, then you're the crazy one nigger.

>>30455538

But explain to me how that is going to impede their ability to function in the military? Like I said, even if you want to call it an illness it's completely benign. If somebody genuinely believed that the moon was made of cheese, they might be crazy, but they aren't hurting anybody and could still function normally.

>>30455559
>PTSD isn't a genuine problem
Mental issues are a genuine problem you fuckwit.

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>>30455549
you just have to be a victim dont you

>>30455574
>put le and repeated what they said
>trying too hard
Anon... I

>>30455549
I dont want to show my state issued identification, ill just use my gym membership.
Every military person i came in contact with since Snowden divulged state secrets.

>>30455547
Not all people who get circumsized are jews

>>30455532
There was a pretty sizable infestation after the 4chan-tumblr war, count yourself lucky we didn't get hit nearly as bad as /co/, that place is a fucking hive.

>>30455579
why would you say PTSD isn't a genuine problem?

>>30454871
>volunteering mentally ill man/woman who thinks they're a woman/man
>draft a healthy male that will likely do better than the tranny
Tell me how they need more manpower, and even if they did why not just draft actual males and not some mentally unstable SJW

>>30455597
then why post a picture of a bunch of jews?

>>30454871
holy shit, quantity over quality. we soviet union now.

>>30455579
>Mental issues are a genuine problem you fuckwit.
No, they're not.

>>30455583
Fucking this.

PTSD is a joke and an excuse for extra attention because someone didn't get enough hugs from mommy and daddy before joining the military.

>>30455553
You dont know the kind of time it took to invent such poison officer ricky, turn off your vehicle driver

>>30455532

Being trans doesn't make me an SJW.

I have been here for a long long time

>>30455556
Ah, i see

Well thanks lol

>>30455560
I quit for a while. I was going to come back when my hair was long enough instead of being short and cut ugly, but I had to come back for the trans in the military threads, since I kind of have experience in that area

>>30454871
>You need all the manpower you can get
If the army genuinely believed that we'd go to a conscription based system.

>>30455603
I'm not. I'm responding to the anon who says that mental issues aren't a genuine problem and that they don't want anyone with mental issues in the military with them.

Which is fucking retarded.

>>30455311
Where the fuck is the 23-25% number coming from?

Complaining about having a fuccboi in your squad.. WTF! IS WRONG WiTH YOU PEOPLE

>>30455640
thats weird though. my friend joined the marines and went to falujah in the first push. He saw some of his friends get fucked up and he developed transvestitism

>>30455634
Pics please

>>30455527
>I went through my chain of command

Weren't you scared though?

How did they react?

>>30455670
I'm talking more about PTSD as a mental issue. There's been hundreds of studies on it, it's no joke and it is definitely a real actual problem people and current soldiers have to deal with.

If someone doesn't want people with those types of issues serving with them, the military isn't meant for them.

>>30455576
>these delusions are different than the other delusions

They're both psychiatric disorders. They're both unhealthy, and they're both not people we should be using to protect our overseas interests. It's beyond comprehension why they would do this, as we are not currently involved in a war so desperate we have resulted to arming literally everyone who can hold a gun.

>sick and edgy memes
Yes, all dissenting opinions are edgy memes. GG, you found out the secret. I'm not a pro here boss, and I accept that, but I'm at least smart enough to recognize when a person is a few screws short of an IKEA chair.

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>counts as male soldier: male 1.0, male to female with penis, female to male if facial hair and large clitoris

>counts as female soldier: woman 1.0 and male to female no dick

this is a simple guide the military can use and they criteria allows a greater number of front line troops

DOD pay me $1,000,000 for my consulting plz

>>30455634
>short and cut ugly
There's a tranny dick joke in there somewhere

>>30455700
You're comparing PTSD to gender dysphoria?

PTSD is an unfortunate side effect of serving in a war. The soldiers who suffer from it, for the huge majority, suffer from it because of their time spent in war or from. It is a disorder that comes from extreme trauma. They aren't born with it.

Jesus Christ.

With the military's huge focus on sexual assault, how can any of them be comfortable with the idea of having anyone with a vagina living in a male dorm?

>>30455700
the difference is PTSD is developed while people are in the military like fucked up knees and fucked up back and those people rarely if ever want more attention to themselves. gender dysphoria is something that alot of these kids try to come into the military with then demand attention and force everyone to "understand"

i'd take a million soldiers or marines with PTSD over a single transvestite.

>>30455728
>PTSD is an unfortunate side effect of serving in a war
Exactly.

It's INFURIATING to think that there are genuinely people out there who think people who develop mental issues like that should be banned from the military and wouldn't want to serve with them. It's completely ignorant.

>>30455752
Yes. Soldiers who develop PTSD serving in the line of duty should be treated and ideally retained if possible.

Key words being 'develop' and 'PTSD'. We shouldn't fucking seek out people who already have mental problems. That's a burden on the already taxed Army medical system, the taxpayers, and the other soldiers.

>>30455751
It's still a mental issue though. And not something you should be discriminated against, rightly so.

>>30455692
God damn right I was scared

They reacted well. It wasn't a situation any of them have dealt with, but they were just glad I went through them properly instead of like they had heard about others doing, and that I didn't act like they have heard stories of someone doing lol

guys i have the best fucking idea ever!

50% of all active duty soldiers, sailors, marines airmen etc claim to be female. FOLLOW ME ON THIS FOR A SECOND BAM hundreds of thousands of females now serve in the military in all branches in all specialties in all MOS'. hundreds of thousands can now pass fitness tests with flying colors, increase the standard to match the male standard since so many can exceed the female standard, we get rid of any females that cant meet the male standard, we don't need trannys in since we already have both demographics covered.

think about it guys.

>>30454741
So how are barracks arrangements going to work?

Will Men who say they are female be allowed to be with females? Or will they still be in Male barracks? Will they get their own room, or would they have to be with someone?

I'm just imagining all the SHARP complaints and other sexual misconduct that's going to emerge from this

>>30455806
>We shouldn't fucking seek out people who already have mental problems.
Not American here. Is your army volunteer?

>>30455808
people aren't robots

ordering them to stop discriminating against something isn't going to stop them from discriminating against it.

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>>30455703
>this thing is psychologically not a delusion as they can tell reality from figments cognition
FTFY

>all dissenting opinions are edgy memes
If it was an opinion that was backed up by logic I'd be fine, but it's not.
That's all I see, is saying it's a mental disorder or saying it's schizophrenia, and that's where it ends. There is no further logic or rationality behind why, nobody cares to go into depth to explain the pathophysiology of how it's similar, or the physchology of what makes it a delusion or a disorder, i never see a single study, or medical fact to back it up because none of that agrees with you so you don't go into detail about it. That's all it is, there's not even any emotional appeal or hyperbolic statements so it can't even be called a rhetoric. That's all it is, is a meme. Your entire view on one of the most complex issues in modern society, the entire genetic structure, the intricacies of human physiology, and the relationship between karyotype and phenotype, is a meme. Fucking contemplate your life for just one second, nigger.

>>30455835
it'll be like when we let homosexuals and females serve. many of them will get their own room because they don't get along with normal people

>>30455837
Yes.

>>30455841
Unfortunately this is true.

Letting out that you have PTSD is pretty much is like a passive blacklist for employment options when you return stateside. Already on top of the difficulties veterans face when trying to adjust to civilian life.

>>30454893
Ha navy regs let us have sleeves now

Best branch or best branch?

>>30455844
>or the physchology of what makes it a delusion or a disorder, i never see a single study, or medical fact to back it up

You do realize it is still classified as a disorder by both the ICD-10 CM and the DSM-5? It literally took a two second google search to find it.

Now, I don't know the specifics of how they handle these things, but that seems like something firmly not a meme.

>>30455844
>Delusion: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder
>I'm an x trapped in a y body because I feel that way
Sounds about right

>>30455953
fucking fuck

>Navy says new standard for all sailors applies to marines too
>oh sweet marines can get sleeves too!?
>no the marines chose not to employ this change

>sailor gets drunk and rapes a prenatal infant nun while shitting on the japanese flag
>alcohol is banned in the navy
>well i guess marines won't be following that then?
>no the marines chose to do what the navy does

>>30455953
You do get boats.

>>30454741

I hate the US military more than any fake outrage.

>>30454741
Because Obama needs to pad his "legacy" with progressiveness.

So he can be the next FDR or LBJ. Instead of the next Carter.

>>30456027
nobody cares

>>30454842
does that mean i can claim to be a female and be under the female standard?

>>30456040
What do you mean claim?

You ARE, you ARE so they have to or that's discrimination

>>30454842
>suppressing all testosterone in your body
>able to meet physical standards

pick one. MtFs that take their hormones, are weaker, and more injury prone, than most women.

>>30455964
>it's still classified as a disorder by both the ICD-10 CM & DSM-5
From the APA's DSM-5 Fact sheet:
" It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder"
You're literally wrong, faggot.

>>30455965
They accept that they have the body that they have, they are discontent with that and make an effort to change whatever is making them discontent like any reasonable person would. Meanwhile somebody with Cotard's will refuse to eat out of the belief they are non-existent and are therefore immortal, or believe they are rotting from the inside and choose to sit and die in a corner. There is a clear difference in cognitive effects and pathophysiology between the two. If science was decided by "sounds about right" then we'd believe the sun orbits the earth, science is decided by rationality, facts, and evidence not "what sounds right"

>>30455964
>this thing that used to say that we're all crazy now says we're a different kind of crazy that isn't crazy

>>30455997
Is there an appeal to wearing longer sleeves besides wanting to get a tattoo?

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>>30456063
>suppressing all testosterone in your body
I see you got your degree in Endocrinology from Bullshit University, Dr. Niggerston

>>30456084
tattoo sleeves dingus

>>30456084
wat

>>30456070
Source for the first thing, forgot it
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

>>30456070
>I don't know the difference between "nonconformity" and "demanding that someone hack off my penis"

one is a person that wants to wear clothes that are unfashionable for them. The other is a person that's mentally unstable/insane and should not be enabled.

>>30456130
>literally from the APA's fact sheet on Gender Dysphoria
Kill yourself, you fact rejecting retard. If anyone's mentally insane it's you for rejecting reality at this point. kek

>>30456070
Then what about the ICD-10 CM? Do they also attach a clause like that?

>>30456143
Either you can't fucking read
Or you can't comprehend what you're fucking reading.

Which is it, faggot?

Do you know the difference between nonconformity and dysphoria? Do you, shitbag? No, you don't, which is why you're so adamant about pointing out how wrong you are to everyone.

>>30456130
>"demanding that someone hack off my penis"

Yep, its just like that. That's the exact line you say to change genders

>>30456070
>I'm discontent with my body
>I'm gonna chop my dick off
I don't know man, sounds pretty fucked up to me. What's different between this and body integrity identity disorder?

>>30456070
Gender nonconformity is not even the same thing as gender dysphoria.

It's not even in the same realm.

>>30454937

Holy shit donut still posts

>>30456179
>shitbag

fucking kill yourself boot

>>30456193
He is making the mistake of thinking that gender nonconformity is gender dysphoria and thinking that because gender nonconformity isn't a disorder, the actual disorder isn't also a disorder.

He is an actual idiot.

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>>30456179
>the difference between nonconformity and dysphoria
>on the fucking APA's Gender Dysphoria fact sheet
they use the word "nonconformity" and you go on a rant about semantics. If they didn't mean it about gender dysphoria, it wouldn't be on the gender dysphoria page you insulate megatard. If you have no other arguments other then
">hurr dey didnt say it exactly how i want dem 2 say it so it dudnt meen wut et meenz!"
then admit that you were wrong and have no rationality behind your opinion

>>30456188

But that is exactly what happens.

>people are actually arguing that we should take the made-up "problems" of a tenth of a percent of the population so seriously that everything about our society should be re-written to accommodate them

I can't wait until the day of the rope desu

>>30456101
>http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
That fact sheet doesn't say SHIT about "it's not a real disorder"

All it says is
"We stopped calling it a disorder so people won't feel bad about themselves :3"

which it says like 3 times.

So take your source and FUCK YOURSELF with it, idiot.

>>30455953

I bet some Master Chief at BUPERS with unreal sleeves was behind this.

>>30456264
more like

>i demand that someone hack my penis off!
>maybe you should thi-
>SEXIST RACIST BIGOTED HOMOPHONE! I'M A BEAUTIFUL WOMYN
>well the military isn't going to p-
>THE MILITARY PAYS FOR CANCER MEDICATION! WHY CAN'T THEY PAY FOR MY TREATMENT ITS HEALTHCARE TOO
>maybe you should just get out and sta-
>HOW DARE YOU YOU RACISS HOPLONCLONE! I'M CALLING SALON MAGAZINE
>i just think you have a problem and you should se-
>CUT MY FUCKING DICK OFF AND CALL ME A WOMAN OR I'M SUING YOU
20 years later
>this brave young womyn is suing the military for removing her penis and giving her PTSD

>>30455481
No way that's female to male..

>>30456261
>literally two separate things
>they're the same because I say so

You need to realize now you're arguing against more than one person, and that you're clearly an idiot. Gender Nonconformity not being a mental illness is important to note so that people aren't accidentally classified as having a disorder for saying "You know doc, I feel more like a woman than a man." Gender dysphoria is what happens when it bothers the person to the point they need treatment

You need to nys mate.

>>30456193
The difference between GD and BIID is literally everything, right down to the neurology
BIID is caused by complete lack of stimulation of neurons, the individual is dysfunctional in a neurological sense. Whereas a a person with GD is functioning 100% fine for their neurological anatomy. That is the difference, there is no harm, no dysfunction, no change in behavior because there is no other way for this person to think or exist in a physiological sense.

>>30456174
The ICD-10 CM still uses the DSM-IV rather than the DSM-V, because changing shit is hard and you'd have to pass it with the international community.

>>30456342
>roidzits
>babby face
>babby skin
more likely than you'd think

>>30456342

No he actually is there's news articles about him. I think he's AF SF.

By the way guys, 90% of the time it's going to look like that. Consider the chicks with shaved heads chewing red man in the motor pool - there's your trannies.

>>30456359
>>30456363
How in the actual fuck do they look like that? is it all the Testosterone they're taking mixed with military routine? Aren't roids banned and tested for? No way they're taking roids

>>30456363
yeah and i bet she doesn't talk about it every 10 seconds or go on message boards to take pictures of herself like >>30454919

ones a passable male and the other is clearly a male wearing makeup. which one is the attention whore and which would you trust with your life.

the problem that 90% of /k/ has isn't female man mountain up there its >>30454919

>>30456392

Testosterone and probably a lifetime of being a really diesel chick

Everyone should be allowed to throw their life away if they wish.

>>30456392
they have babby face because they're women, and when women dress up as men, they look like babbies.

They have babby skin because their body is still TRYING to pump out estrogen in amounts that will give them soft skin and better hair -- unless they get their ovaries removed or whatever.

If they use HGH, they'll get a blocky, boney face, but roids or a lot of their hormone cocktails will give them zits. This one's build, though, suggests roids.

>>30456421

Yeah and that's fair, but my theory is that the military is a masculine profession and will/already has attracted more vagina boys than dick girls

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>>30456314
>That fact sheet doesn't say SHIT about "it's not a real disorder"
>" Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the
diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology"
>" It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder”
with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder"
>inb4 gender nonconformity isn't gender dysphoria
Gender Dysphoria is literally not conforming to the assigned gender roles and gender classification, if you don't consider not conforming to your gender as "gender nonconformity" then you might be more retarded than originally thought

>So take your source and FUCK YOURSELF with it, idiot.
So having facts backed by the American Psychiatric Association is looked down upon in a debate regarding Psychiatrics in America. Great work, 10/10 you genius.

All in all your entire debate is saying it's a mental illness (with no source), comparing it to Schizophrenia (with no source), and then when confronted with medical facts proving you wrong, instead of actually discussing the psychology and physiology of the condition, you start arguing and yelling about semantics of language and that they didn't say it clearly enough so you could understand it and therefore this sentence that is included in a fact sheet about this condition, doesn't apply to this condition. THEN when you fuck that up, you just claim my source is fraudulent without providing a source.
Pic Related
>it's you

>>30456421
I don't talk about it every 10 seconds. But if there are threads talking about it already, I'll join in

>>30456423
>>30456435
Neet. I wonder what she sounds like

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>>30454741

>>30456348
>having this condition isn't an issue
>trying TO FIX your condition is an issue
Are you fucking retarded, trying to seek treatment is the fucking problem?
>b-b-but they hurt themselves doing it!?
So does every psychiatric drug, nigger.
Explain how perusing changing the distressing factor is anything but a natural human reaction.

>>30456461
>it's more appropriate and consistent
Then why don't they say that? Because you're fucking lying, that's why. It says itself "This shit goes in its own chapter between sexual dysfunctions and paraphilic disorders" shit, man, doesn't that just spell it out?

It *admittedly* changed it for political reasons. It ADMITS to it. In their own fact sheet. That you cited. So fuck you. Fuck your lies. Fuck your bullshit. Fuck your politics. It's a fucking disorder they're afraid to call a "disorder" because it hurts peoples feewings -- the exact FUCKING OPPOSITE of what a medical profession should do -- but they're obviously political bitches first and foremost, so fuck it.

The facts speak against you. The fact sheet speaks against you. Someone that rejects their own fucking body has a seriously fucked up brain, because it's THEIR FUCKING BODY. THEY ONLY GET ONE. If it's their choice, then it's their choice, but if it's "not who they are" then it's obviously psychosis, motherfucker, by definition.

>>30456493
bitch you posted a fucking picture of yourself in an attempt to garner attention and sympathy then admitted your having trouble maintaining the fucking standard all the while calling yourself "princess" on an anonymous image board

>>30456508
probably like it's speaking through a harmonica.

>>30454919
That trip means you are either baiting, or the most deluded person on this entire website.

>>30456508

Probably like a teenage boy who's been kicked in the dick.

>>30455651
>Where the fuck is the 23-25% number coming from?

Overrepresentation of gays in movies and on TV.

>>30456532
>sympathy

Lol, I have been here long enough to know I wouldn't get any sympathy.

But yes, it is a lot harder to maintain male pt standards. I have almost no testosterone.

>>30456546
You must be new here

>>304548
>manpower
You mean transpower, right?
Seriously, who the fuck is making these decisions, and how the fuck are they justifying them?

Equal protection under the law.

>>30456576
disgusting fucking aberration of the human genome. You and your ilk are manifestations of human desperation and longing to be unique. You are a male and every single fiber of your being is male. The only person i feel sorry for is your father. The shame in his eyes when he sees what came from his loins must be unbearable. all because his son wants to play pretend

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>>30454856
Well you've got to be to sign up for a war against no country with no end goal happening in literally the middle of nowhere.

>>30456523
>it's more appropriate and consistent
>Then why don't they say that?
They do say it you fucking spoon, it says it right here:
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

The thing you claimed to have read enough to dismiss.
By "appropriate and consistent" they mean with medical findings and physiopathology of the condition as was found out in 1999-2000 (between the release of the DSM-IV and DSM-V) in this study here: http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564

>but it was removed for politics
Homosexuality and various forms of gender nonconformity were added for political reasons, friendo.
They weren't added because they were a danger, they weren't added because they were dysfunctional, they were added because people didn't like it.

>it's psychosis by definition
>"Psychosis is a symptom or feature of mental illness typically characterized by radical changes in personality, impaired functioning, and a distorted or nonexistent sense of objective reality."
Well since it's a born with it, type of deal as evident by the physiological cause, that first part goes right out the window.
>impaired functioning
People with GD function completely normally neurologically and have no other inherent psychological issues
>distorted or nonexistent sense of objective reality
As stated before, they understand the reality of the situation and aren't delusional as the understand that this body isn't the body they want. If they were delusional then they'd just think they're a woman with absolutely no changes what-so-ever and not pursue change, which is clearly not the case.

So no it isn't psychosis by definition, you raging retard.

>>30456611
i bet that looked cooler in your mind huh?

>>30455386
I have to do male standards even though Im on HRT which deteriorates my muscles. I still managed to get a 99.1

>>30456683
you have to do male standards because you are male

USA A NATION OF FAGS THAT WILL BE RULED BY MUSLIMS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.

AHAHAHAHAH


WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS NATION WOULD END BECAUSE FAGGOTS TOOK OVER AND KEKS WERE BETA AND KEKS GOT KEKED BY JEW FAT BOIS FROM THE SAME PLACE MUSLIMS ARE FROM.


HAHAHAHAH


HEY WHITE MEN...IF YOU WANT YOU CHILDREN TO GROW UP AND NOT BE BEHEADED - YOU MAY WANT TO START FIGHTING NOW.

MAYBE - JUST SAYING -

YOU ARE GOING TO BE EXTERMINATED BY FAGGOTS IN PAJAMAS ..BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING KEKS

>>30456717
you know how i can tell your british?

>>30456683
Hayyyy!

What branch???

>>30456717
French nogunz detected

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>>30456637
>muh genetics
I love that everybody and their uncle is apparently an expert in biology now that trans have become the huge thing to rage about.

>you and your ilk are manifestations of human desperation and longing to be unique

Nope, caused by neural amount and placement in the BSTc area of the brain, prenatal condition that is ultimately unchangeable

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564

>>30456576
I'm not new, I've seen your posts for a few years now. You treat this site like its your damn blog, detracting from every thread you take part in. I have yet to see a single thread you've posted in that you haven't tried to make about you, or at least shift the flow of the thread in an unrelated direction; this latest thread being just the most recent example. The last thread I saw you in you were talking about some inane thing about a pair of testicles in a jar that were the result of a gender transition surgery,among other things that have nothing to do with this board at all.

Why do you even come here? You never come to discuss anything in relation to the board, and the only motive I can imagine is that you simply seek attention from the more sexually or psychologically confused members of this board.

>>30456669
>http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
>DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care... it replaces the diagnostic name "gender identity disorder" with "gender dysphoria," as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria.
You read that, right? You can read, right? Can you read? You haven't proven it so far.

>It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder
Ok, now you start masturbating, because they *almost* said what you wanted to hear, which his good enough for someone like you -- that DEPENDS ON LIES for your worldview not to implode
>The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition

WELL SHEEEEIT BRO, DID YOU CATCH THAT? THAT MEANS IT *BECOMES A FUCKING DISORDER* WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE STRESSING OUT ABOUT IT. HOT DAMN, FUCKTARD.

Time for you to eat all that bullshit you've been shoveling out. The Fucking Fact Sheet Admits, Right Fucking There, That It Is a Disorder With The Presence of Clinical Distress.

So Fuck You, sniveling, illiterate piece of shit.

>>30456731
you don't have to be an expert in biology to know if you have dick your male and you have a vagina your female

you can keep trying all the mental gymnastics you want though

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>>30456732
>why do you, a transgender person in the military, post on a thread about transgender people in the military
No clue, anon it's the greatest mystery of our time.

If the efficacy of the United States military is destroyed, one of the stubborn barriers to The World State is effectively removed when the US no longer has the force projection to tell them to fuck off.

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Reminder that it's ethically and morally acceptable to shoot stormniggers on sight

>>30456752
Being in the military doesnt count for shit when you only talk about nothing related to what you work entails. If I was in the military, posted a pic of me in uniform, but only spoke about my own unrelated personal life then I dont think it belongs here.

>>30454880

because depressed people can be dangerous, trannies are just weird.

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>>30455556
I was in her battalion while she was transitioning. Weirdest confused boner ever.

Also, when the BDE Chaplain was giving a SHARP brief to the BN, she went full SJW when he said there are things a female can do to protect herself. She made the stereotypical "I'm a woman trying to sound like a man" deep voice. "UH, SIR, YOU'RE PROMOTING RAPE CULTURE AND ITS OFFENSIVE TO WOMEN!"

>The whole room's face when

>>30454741
can't get trannies knocked up thus wasting tens of thousands of dollars lost because some barracks slut decided she hates the military so keeps getting knocked up till she can ets all while getting paid

probably the smartest move the DoD has made in 2 decades tbqh familia

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>>30456747
completely ignoring to admiting that I was right in this post by quoting the fact sheet as evidence in this post >>30456523

>DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care... it replaces the diagnostic name "gender identity disorder" with "gender dysphoria," as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria.

So it makes it more accurate and in line with current research and facts, and the name change is to serve the purpose as being more accurate as it is not a disorder and remove stigma that comes with a disorder.

>Mental illnesses refer to disorders generally characterized by dysregulation of mood, thought, and/or behavior

Definition from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/mentalhealth/basics/mental-illness.htm

It is none of those, it is not a dysregulation as there is no dysfunction in any neurological sense, they function perfectly fine.

>gender nonconformity isn't gender dysphoria
From Merriam Webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender%20nonconformity
"Gender Nonconformity - a state in which a person has physical and behavioral characteristics that do not correspond with those typically associated with the person's sex"

I would say a person with gender dysphoria would pursue the physical characteristics of the opposite sex, and the behavioral characteristics would be innate as per the physiology, so no it's still not a disorder no matter how hard you try to bend words and create half-truths to try and rectify your position against medical facts.

>critical element
A critical element of depression, is suicide, it does not necessarily have to be there for depression to exist.

A "critical element" would be something the psychologists would try to avoid, and is not inherently present with the condition as it says later in your sentence "associated with the condition" whereas you are saying the distress is the condition, which is untrue as you just quoted evidence against it.

So again, you're wrong.

Irony is I had to wait a whole fucking year before I could enlist since I was on a RX of Ambien for a couple of months. No exceptions at all despite no other issues and in shape.

Then they allow faggots taking cocktails of drugs to enlist.

>>30456910
Be honest
Do you know what "avoiding stigma" even means?

Do you know the difference between "nonconformity" and "dysphoria"?

Do you realize that you're literally. Fucking. Wrong?

The fact sheet makes it EXTREMELY clear if you don't have your head higher up your ass than a one-man human centipede.

>Just being weird isn't a disorder
>But being distressed about it totally is.

That's precisely what that passage says. I quoted it, word for word in the last post and you STILL didn't fucking get it because either you are
A) Retarded
or
B) Insane and you literally CANNOT grasp the concept because you're too fucking crazy

What part of it is unclear? When are you going to realize that your entire campaign is based around falsehoods, dishonesty, cowardice and bullshit?

Holy fuck. Get it in your fucking head, retard.

>Muh opreshun
>Muh eqwul rites
>No wun understnds meee

In reality, i don't give a fuck who's stood next to me in the shit, as long as they're competent. If they become incompetent then they can fuck off back to bullshit Civvie Street.

>>30456910
>Implying the DSM-5 and Psychology in general hasn't been twisted by SJW and political agenda in lieu of mental health treatment.

Transsexuals are fucked in the head period.

Haha the Navy's going to be up to all kinds of crazy shit now.

>>30456946
You mean like some fatass armchair general bitching on 4chan about trannies in the military?

>>30456946
someone who can't even figure out what their own gender is is pretty fucking incompetent

>>30456969

Shhh, your common sense is alarming faggots that they aren't special snowflakes, and they are a danger to their squad.

>>30456951
DMS-5 literally says if they're at the point where they need to consult a doctor, it's a psychosexual disorder.

Fuckers like the one you responded to totally ignore that because it says "dressing up in clothes that don't fit isn't necessarily crazy, but---" and then they close their eyes, shove their fingers in their ears, stuff their heads up their asses and scream "lalalalala" so they can't read the next sentence or have it read to them.

>>30454741
More like when right guys?

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>>30456984
If they're not special snowflakes why are you so keen to make them exempt from selective service, fagmeister?

>>30457035
because they are mentally defective to the point they can't figure out their own gender and can't really be trusted

>>30457035

They are mentally ill faggot. The last person you want on firewatch in a war zone is someone who says they are a female despite having a penis.

>>30457074

Firewatch in a warzone?

>>30457035
If it's a matter of equal rights/equal protection under law, whatever other dumbass claims people want to make, then draft registration should not be limited to males. EVERY SINGLE PERSON should have to register if that's the case, and that would be pretty fucking stupid because it makes the entire process of weeding out that much more difficult and extensive when the time should arise.

>>30456938
Avoiding stigma is avoiding the negatives that go along with being labeled as having a disorder, if it were changed just for that reason go ahead and raise cane all you want, but there has been significant medical research into the issue and why it should not.

Where does it say it's a disorder then, friendo? It says gender non-conformity is an umbrella term for gender dysphoria. Please tell me where it says it's a disorder, because I already showed you that it is by definition not a mental illness. I already showed you that gender dysphoria by definition falls under gender nonconformity. here >>30456910

Also it says this
"Ultimately, the changes regarding gender dysphoria in DSM-5 respect the individuals identified by offering
a diagnostic name that is more appropriate to the symptoms and behaviors they experience" So yes they almost explicitly say they stopped calling it a disorder because the symptoms aren't appropriate to call it a disorder, in the DSM-5. You use their careful use of language as fraudulent evidence to read into things that just aren't there, even though grammatically it would be nonsensical to claim such things.

>When are you going to realize that your entire campaign is based around falsehoods, dishonesty, cowardice and bullshit?

I have provided you with multiple sources including the CDC, Merriam-Webster, American Psychiatric Association, and the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism. The fact that you have the audacity to say that I am the one basing off of falsehoods, dishonesty, and bullshit is utterly asinine and repugnant. The utter mental gymnastics that one would have to do to accomplish such a feat makes my mind boggle.

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>>30457074
Literally what does that have to do with shit

"K, can you shoot the bad guys"

Everything hunky dory

>>30457093
yes?

its also called sentry duty or just watch

>>30454842
Honestly, this. If a FTM can meet the male physical standards I'd rather have them in combat than a female grunt because at least they'll be able to carry their own fucking ruck and drag a man off a battlefield.

NOBODY has ever fucking directly addressed this point and one day it's going to get somebody killed.

>>30455481
>Woman hands
>Feminine Jaw line
>Disproportion of the head to the neck and body
Next

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>>30454919
wait a minute that face

>>30457112

>can you shoot the bad guys?
>yes
>are you male or female?
>AMIBEINGDETAINED!?! I'M A WOMAN WITH A PENIS! HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME LIKE THAT YOU CIS SHIT!

its it's easier for someone to take a persons life than it is for them to figure out their own fucking gender then i don't want them anywhere near a firearm

>>30457111
>It says gender non-conformity is an umbrella term for gender dysphoria
It does NOT say that.

Read the sentence after your masturbatory fantasy sentence, you dumb fuck.

>nonconformity is not necessarily a "disorder"
Since when, in the history of the English language, does "not necessarily" mean "NEVER"? You fucking idiot.
>being distressed about it means that it is a problem
There you go, fucktard. Spelled it out about as simply as they did, just fewer words.

Stupid piece of shit. It's fucking clear as day if you're actually trying to read it and not trying to put your own bullshit into it.

>>30454741

The immense butthurt on this board alone is worth the change.

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>>30456986
I have been on this website for many years, and in those years I have experienced many trips to see my auntie and uncle in bel-aire, heard the stories of pasta falling from pockets, late night visits from shrek, i've seen videos of murder, suicide, even a spider monster sucking a dude off. I have been the victim of many rick-rolls, been part of raids, became known as the hacker known as 4chan. I've seen sperm boiled, collected, dried and eaten, fungus grown on it, frogs sent to outer-space, apartments in disarray of third world nature in unlivable conditions, the rise and fall of tendies, pepe and good boy points. But you, out of everything in this entire website. Your retardation is the first thing on this website to actually leave me dumbfounded, and I genuinely want to congratulate you on that.

>>30457148
It sounds more like you're the unstable one with mental delusions baka desu senpai

>>30454741
Because leftism is a deadly mental illness. The only cure for advanced stage leftism is a super sonic lead vaccine to the affected organ.

Inb4
>Hurr durr /pol/

Hating leftists is an American tradition

>>30457179
Well, the Truth hurts to a sad fucker like you.

Sorry, but it's not my job to preserve your emotions.

These lines are LITERALLY drawing the line when it becomes a problem:
>It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder
See? Not a problem yet.
>The critical element of gender dysphoria
THE LINE WILL BE DRAWN HERE:
>the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition
When you tell your doctor that your penis must be cut off or you'll never be happy.

There it is. Can't be any clearer, shit-for-brains. You're just fucking delusional.

>>30457180
if you say so

>>30457171
>It says gender non-conformity is an umbrella term for gender dysphoria
I was referring to my source to Merriam-Webster, but continue being mad about reading into a fact sheet that is saying the opposite of what you're reading.

>being stressed about it is a problem
Yes, it does say that, but it also say that that is associated with the condition, and not the condition itself. Being overly stressed about anything is bad, it's called anxiety. So you're still wrong

"clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

ASSOCIATED <this bad thing
WITH <being added onto
THE CONDITION <the thing we're discussing

If I have to spell it out for you. ANYTHING that stresses you out enough is a disorder, LITERALLY FUCKING ANYTHING, it's not inherently party of the condition, it only becomes an issue IF IT BECOMES OVERLY STRESSFUL which doesn't happen in every case and isn't inherently part of the condition

>ignore legitimate points
>degenerate to I know you are but what am I?!
These are the people on this board wanting to fuck up the military and all convention that has come about over thousands of years of figuring out what is effective and what isn't. LGBT community is the fucking worst.

>>30455527
>He is a man.
http://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000003720527/transgender-at-war-and-in-love.html

nope

and I think you're very cute

>Can't keep an undercut or beard as it's unprofessional
>faggots get to play dress up and pretend while keeping female haircuts and adhere to laughable PT standards

Fuck the liberals for doing this.

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>>30457252

y u mad?

>>30457112

Nigger, there is more than just shooting people. If you can't accept your sex, then you shouldn't be accepted into a profession that requires you giving up a part of yourself to make the team stronger.

There are no special statuses in war, just the living and dead.

>>30454980
>Schizos are notorious for killing innocents

Completely false once you discount criminals diagnosed by the media to push a narrative.

>>30455527

Only because freaks like you would whine on social media until your Squadron Commander, 1st sgt and SFM get kicked out and lose their pensions for intolerance.

>>30457259

Fucking gross. When are people going to learn you shouldn't encourage mental illness?

>>30457234
>muh dictionary definition!
We're not talking about that, you dishonest, stupid fuck. We were talking about the psychological definition as it stood in the DSMV, which you so happy to use as a source to prove "It's not a problem" until I showed you, quite clearly, that it says it's a fucking problem the minute someone's doing it out of clinical distress.

>ANYTHING that stresses you out enough is a disorder
Which is why they placed "ANYTHING" between the chapters of "Sexually fucked up" and "Sexually Triple-fucked up"?

No, they put the Gender Dysphoria chapter in there. They were LITERALLY DEFINING GENDER DYSPHORIA as gender nonconformity+clinical distress, you fucking cunt. How fucking difficult is it for you to understand that? BEYOND THAT, they used it as a fucking COUNTERPOINT to the line "gender noncomformity is not, by itself, a mental disorder" which tells us WHAT about gender dysphoria?

It is a mental disorder, according to DSM-V.

This is indisputable for any honest, English-reading human that's not 100% retard or a fucking idiot with a political point to make based on nothing but lies.

>be bored and shitpost on /r/army about feminine penis
>get banned for saying tranny

Is that the worst community for military? They're even more PC than the real army

>>30457285

my my, all this saltiness

you really should toss out your copy of DSM-2, shit is totally out of date

>>30454741
If they can shoot and drag around a 200 pound friendly, who cares? Just don't expect me to learn your 'pro-nouns'.

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>>30457313

That's reddit for you. Go on militarytimes comments and you'll see anyone that joined 6 years ago and older wanting this bullshit to stop.

>>30455806
This is entirely why the rules are written to only admit transsexuals who have been living stably as a member of the sex they claim to identify as for no less than 18 months prior to enlisting.

The point is to allow people to serve if they can demonstrate that they're stable enough to. And God fucking knows FtMs can't be worse than actual women.

>>30457212
You're the one who continues to insult me, and still has yet to bring up an actual source you continue to say "well it becomes a problem if it's distressful" but have yet to show anything other than that. And you've given up your original position that it was a mental illness for the original reason you gave. So you're losing ground quickly and don't want to admit I'm right. You seem rather troubled.

> It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder
Gender non conformity: " a state in which a person has physical and behavioral characteristics that do not correspond with those typically associated with the person's sex"
So it literally says wanting to have a vagina (physical & behavioral characteristics) is not a mental disorder

It does say: distress CAN become a mental disorder
Which it's correct it can become a mental disorder IF and ONLY IF it becomes distressful. as defined by the CDC's definition of mental illness
>dysregulation of mood, thought, and/or behavior

So them not wanting a dick, is part of gender non-conformity, as defined by Merriam-Webster. There is no dysregulation if they've always just wanted a vagina, if faggots like you harass them and threaten them (as is known to happen) is when shit gets stressful. It is not inherently defined in the DSM-5 as a "mental disorder" to get a vaginoplasty as Merriam-Webster's definition of gender non-conformity would cover that. Being distressed would be the only thing to make it a mental illness, as per the CDC's definition. Your ENTIRE theory rests upon saying that being distressed is what CAUSES people to get vaginoplasty's, which you have not proven and have not provided a source for. So either provide a source that says getting a vaginoplasty is inherently caused by distress or admit you're wrong. Stop dancing around an article, and reading into shit that doesn't grammatically make any sense and paraphrasing it till it agrees with you. Post your evidence

>>30454842
No, fuck off

>>30456732
Lol i don't try to make anything about me. I post, and people pile on and shit on me and I respond to them. I came in here because I know something about the thread's subject, having lived it and all

>>30457244
He is tho! He is a good guy too


r-really?

>>30454871
You need the best manpower not man power that thinks its a woman

>>30457338

>Just don't expect me to learn your 'pro-nouns'.

You better or else you'll face an article 92 and get sent off to miramar or leavenworth.

>>30457331

>There may be five lights, but just say there are four and you won't get hurt.

Sorry, a spade is a spade and a man with a penis cut up and shoved inside himself is just a mentally ill mutilated male and not a woman.

>>30457388
semper victimus

>>30457361
>you fail to bring up a source
holy fuck.

It's YOUR SOURCE. THE DSM-V FACT SHEET. I'VE BEEN QUOTING IT NEARLY EVERY FUCKING POST.

And then you wonder why I keep calling you a fucking idiot? If you were a gorilla that was taught to read, you would have grasped it by now.

>a rectangle is not in itself a square. The critical element of a square is its 4 90 degree angles and 4 equal sides.

>gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition

>>30457393
>There may be five lights, but just say there are four and you won't get hurt.

Nah, I'll defer to medical professionals instead of robed pedophiles and teenage sperglords on internet forums.

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>>30454919
>/k/'s princess
Go off yourself faggot

>>30457416
Medical professionals are calling it a mental disorder in the DSMV.

>>30455235
> If you don't share my opinion on men LARPing as a women. You're a summerfag

>>30457291
>They were LITERALLY DEFINING GENDER DYSPHORIA as gender nonconformity+clinical distress
>"The critical element of gender dysphoria
is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition" - DSM-V
Fucking tell me where in that they said that the condition has to have significant distress in order for the condition to be recognized. Your claim is entirely backwards from a mental illness, you're saying the distress causes the want to have a vagina, yet if it were a mental illness the want to have a vagina would cause the distress, which it doesn't say it does and it hasn't said so, in fact it said "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder" so the wanting to have a vagina would inherently not be in of itself, a mental illness. Get fucked, /pol/lack

>>30457423
isnt that the paragon of trannies that abandoned his entire family to pretend hes a little girl?

>>30456752
Here's the issue though: he contributes nothing meaningful to the thread, esspecially when compared to the negatives he brings.

And moreove, anon was completely right: he is baiting. As we all know, baiting is creating a post that is designed to get (You)s, to get attention, with litte regard to quality or contributing to the thread.
Let us look at two different scenarios:
An anon makes the post saying:
>transgenders have been here the whole time, I've said this forever
>source: am tranny in military.
This is not baiting. It's simply making a point, and then using credentials to back up that point.
Then we have the post in question:
>tripfag.
Almost always bait or attention seeker. Very few people use this for the intended purpose. Unless your someone like oppenhiemer when posting in a nuke related thread, most likely your doing it to get people's attention
>post image, of both self and tranny. And not any tranny, a one who is only barely passing.
There are very few instances when posting an image of a tranny is not designed to get (You)s. It's something that everyone knows will rile up people who fall to the more socially right side of the spectrum.
>mentions themself, and how they look in the imahe
No reason to do this, other than to ensure you focus on the tripfag. Of your not an attention whore put for replies, what reason do you have for drawing attention to your looks, ensuring people take notice of the fact that your a tranny? None. It's basically a variant of saying "I'm a girl by the way".

So yes. It is most assuredly bait. He didn't make that post only here to contribute, because they could have done that without getting stormfags and alt-righters upset. I'm not even making a judgment call on trannies, his life choices, or anything of that nature. But it is most definitely bait.

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>>30457442
Yeah

>>30457416

>Nah, I'll defer to medical professionals

Which ones claim that a mental case that wants to deny reality can change genders like the dinosaurs in Jurassic park?

>>30457438
>The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition
>Fucking tell me where in that they said that the condition has to have significant distress
Are you fucking for real? You just fucking quoted it.

How fucking retarded are you? Really?

>>30457429

There is a difference between illness and disorder.

Moreover, DSM makes no mention on the "correct" gender.

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>>30454741
> I identify as a little girl therefore I am one

>>30454911
every branch is in a draw down right now, so no unlike 10 years ago we don't need all the man power we can get.

>>30457409
You havent had a source for anything fucking else, you run around spewing "well it says dat duh crituckal elumunt!!!!"
>not wanting to be your gender isn't a mental disorder
>yet the stress associated with not being your gender can be a disorder
Meaning wanting to have your balls cut off is not a mental illness, as you stated, the distress would be the mental illness. So even if you were right at this point, your original point is totally wrong, so either way I've won. So trans people aren't mentally ill, so long as they are not under distress. You even agreed with that in all of your latest posts. /thread

>>30457467
>Which ones

Most of them? But no, let's disregard all of them for the blustery opinion of an internet tripfag.

>>30457482
>the critical element
>the bad thing that we want to avoid about gender non-conformity is the distress
Doesn't say it has to be present for it to be diagnosed, and later in the journal says that the distress comes from social and occupational situations and therefore is not inherently part of the physiology and psychology of the condition. Hence why the distress is "associated with" the condition
Symptoms of Gender Dysphoria:
repeatedly stated desire to be, or insistence that he or she is, the other sex
in boys, preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; in girls, insistence on wearing only stereotypical masculine clothing
strong and persistent preferences for cross-sex roles in make-believe play or persistent fantasies of being the other sex
a strong rejection of typical toys/games typically played by one’s sex.
intense desire to participate in the stereotypical games and pastimes of the other sex
strong preference for playmates of the other sex
a strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy
a strong desire for the primary (e.g., penis, vagina) or secondary (e.g., menstruation) sex characteristics of the other gender

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/gender-dysphoria-symptoms/

No distress present here, cap'n

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>>30457502
You need to realize that when people keep calling you a "fucking retard" over and over, it should start having some meaning to it.

>no source
The DSM-V fact sheet was my source. It's been my source from the beginning, you fucking tard. Pic related. It starts with
>gender nonconformity is not, in itself, a mental disorder
and then follows that up with defining the difference between gender nonconformity and gender dysphoria, in a counterpoint.
>The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition
when it says "with the condition", what "condition" are they talking about? GENDER NONCONFORMITY.

They are literally saying GENDER NONCONFORMITY + DISTRESS = GENDER DYSPHORIA

and since it's a counterpoint to saying "nonconformity is not by itself a mental disorder" then it's 100% implied that GENDER DYSPHORIA is.

>>30457502
>trans people aren't mentally ill
>Gay people aren't mentally ill

No, you're wrong. Homosexuals hijacked both APA's in the 70s so they could legitimize their sickness.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=BPgq1c4TYi4
>https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-president-of-apa-says-organization-controlled-by-gay-rights-movement
>http://www.banap.net/spip.php?article70

>>30457518

Sorry, slicing up a penis and fashioning a hole that then has to be filled with a wedge to prevent the body form sealing it (because unlike you and your delusional liberal buddies, the human body knows it now has a gaping wound and attempts to seal it) does not somehow magically make you from a male into a female. There must be something about why almost half of all transsexuals end up hanging themselves after surgery but you keep denying it.

It's a liability, I'd rather take a color blind person or a fucking one armed amputee than a transsexual mental job.

>>30457555

>It's not a mental disorder, despite having all the signs of a mental disorder like munchausen or Rape trauma syndrome

fucking kill yourself you liberal tumor.

>>30457578
>liberal
>ignore a tripfag's hysterical ranting and listen to doctors and academics who actually study the definition of gender their whole lives

I do enjoy how so many people on this board deliberately flaunt the fact that they are anti-intellectual neanderthals, just like the gun grabbers say gun owners are.

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>>30457555
It says "associated with the condition" associated with and just "with" are two completely different things but thanks for playing word games. So they're saying the stress associated WITH gender dysphoria is the mental disorder, but the gender dysphoria is not the mental disorder.
>The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition
Literally right there,

THE CRITICAL ELEMENT <bad thing
OF GENDER DYSPHORIA <thing we're discussing
IS THE PRESENCE OF CLINICALLY SIGNIFICANT DISTRESS <the specific bad thing
ASSOCIATED WITH <related to, but not the same thing
THE CONDITION <gender dysphoria

i.e. they're saying the gender dysphoria isn't the problem, distress is the problem. Ergo, gender dysphoria, isn't inherently a mental disorder

>>30457563
>this condition that was added for political reasons was taken off for political reasons
I'm sorry that the world doesn't work the way you like and people have freedom. Go back to your safe space before you get triggered any longer >>>/pol/

>lifesitenews
Pic fucking related