AR THREAD GENERAL AR GENERAL /ARG/

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>>30375460
ARs should have AK style cleaning rods on them

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>>30375460
too fucking hot outside edition

>>30375460
>summer time edition
It was 101* with 88% humidity. I had the day off and sat inside pulling my pud because I didn't wanna into range in that weather.

>>30375473
your head should have a bullet in it

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sigbro's new hat

>>30375465

Parkerized materials are supposed to absorb non-polar hydrocarbons to protect against rust.

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>>30375460
>summer school edition
FTFY
>retard helmet

>>30375328
Another channel or some shit? I'm on the one we usually used now and it's dead as fuck.

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>>30375473
... Yeah even I think that's stupid.

>>30375501
don't grease your barrel

>>30375507
>summer school edition
only stoopids go 2 summer skool

>>30375433
NSR copy?
Tell me more

>>30375501
Oil is the traditional way to do it, grease *maybe* for long term storage so it doesn't run off.

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> not tactical snacks edition
Shame...

>>30375515
>apparently the park dries out and can rust.

Dude all metal parts need fucking oil once in a while. I always oil down the outside of my barrels whenever I get a chance.

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>>30375514
>only stoopids go 2 summer skool
fakt

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>>30375528
I thought it was absorbed either way.

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opinion on pencil or lightweight barrels? 100yr 2 moa good when the barrel heats up?

>>30375521
>>30375394
>Fucking why.
don't price a daniel defense rail.... you'll be mad as hell, also their weights are ridiculous.

an alternative to the noveske NSR is the erathr3 mlok rail. i'm fairly certain the same people make both. they're VERY similar rails

there's 3 rails in that NSR style all made by the same company i think. they're called stubborn mule (SMOS)

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In

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>>30375545
light weight barrel will be fine and sub 2moa if it's a decent barrel. they will get hot enough to hurt your hand if you dump 3-4 mags

>>30375538
yeah i've noticed my spikes is starting to do it slightly. i will hit it with CLP sometime.

>>30375542
Either way, most barrels aren't parkerized though. They're either melonited (QPQ) or nitrided.

And yes, while those CAN rust, if you abuse them long and hard enough, it's literally a non-issue unless you're storing your rifle, long-term, somewhere >80% humidity and everything else steel on the gun has rusted already.

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>>30375441
>continuing
>>30375545
They heat up faster, but also cool faster.
>>30375559
Neat, I'll have to look into it, I always loved the NSR, but didn't love it's price.

>>30375587
>Either way, most barrels aren't parkerized though. They're either melonited (QPQ) or nitrided.
wut. every m4gery clone barrel is park'd i'm fairly certain... and those are by far the most common configuration?

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ARP Socom or Faxon Gunner? which one since theyre about the same price.

>>30375587
Only the past few years has nitriding really picked up steam for ARs. Plenty of companies still doing it the "old" way especially considering chrome lining is still more durable and parking the exterior of the barrel is still the mil spec.

>>30375590
>tripcode

>>30375612
AARP Socom

>>30375590
http://www.smosarms.com/collections/rails/products/gfy-mlok-rail

>>30375606
This is true for M4gery barrels, as it's milspec. The "good" barrel makers are getting away from it though, due to a combination of other finishes being cheaper and more durable.

>>30375612
>35 ounces

ffs that's only 5 ounces lighter than an 18" BA hanson (40 oz)

>>30375612
ARP is solid if he has what you want in stock.

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>>30375562
Hnng, needs DBAL.

>>30375630
i was told my barrel was made by a "good" barrel maker yesterday though.... DD, FN, BA, and LW

>>30375646
Going to throw a vatnik peq clone on it because FULL POWER

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AR Gods, I need your help. Is there anything like pic related that isn't going to cost me $450?

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>>30375618
Guess I need to change it a little or something
Do u like it
is it kawaii

>>30375668
dont be mean

>>30375648
Well, I know the PSA CHF/FN CHF barrels are nitrided now. BHW's barrels can be nitrided (or bare), but those are stainless. My LW barrel that's now a decade old was fucking blued. I don't know about DD or BA.

>>30375660
You mean the space for an FSP? Why not just grind it down if you want a free float?

>>30375646
you gonna get the AE 12th clone for that?

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Comfiest hat coming through.

>>30375648
That dude is spewing shit, nitriding is only better at being cheap and almost as good as chrome lining. Chrome is still the king of wear resistance.

>>30375685
he could also get a rail will fit behind it, whatever gas length he has

he'll still have to remove the A2 to install it though right?

>>30375685
It's going to look like a bastard if I were to do that. I mean I can just remove the fixed sight and go free float with a minimal gas block. But I tend to like these sights.

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>>30375677
How am I being mean?

>>30375433
>Geissele Mk8
>$250
Ffffffffffffffffff I was going to bitch at you for suggesting a $250 one, but I see it has a gas block and tools to go with it..

>>30375379
>Aero
Ehhhh.. not too bad. I'll put it in the 'maybe' pile
>ALG EMR
Also 'maybe'
>NSR
I like this one, but Geissele is the better deal
>>30375435
>UTG Pro Slim
Also not bad>>30375464
>erathr3 mlok rail
Again, Geissele wins.

>>30375707
he was just telling me who makes spikes tactical's barrels for them. i have a 16" m4 gov't profile carbine barrel. like m4 thru and thru, it's chrome lined m8 :)

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>>30375693
its shit

>>30375713
post count reset
new trip get out

>>30375712
You can always get a free float that sits behind the FSP as >>30375710 stated.
You can get BUIS that have the same profile and sight picture at the A2 front sight as well.

>>30375722
>Also not bad>>30375464 →
>>erathr3 mlok rail
yeah the E3 rail looks better than the NSR in my opinion. i dont like monolithic top rails and E3 cuts the top rail out for most of the length of the handguard. too bad they don't make a 7 inch. also NSR/SMOS/E3 rails use an indexing pin to keep them from rotating, which requires an upper with the corresponding pin hole or you have to drill your own or go without the pin (it's removable)

>>30375631
that really shitty?

>>30375707
>Chrome is still the king of wear resistance.

I always thought it funny that chrome is big pimpin' on guns, where on cars it's just "meh"

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>>30375562
In for I need to get some gear.

What can i use to hijack a plane with out be discobered by the airport security?

>>30375749
nah it's not shitty to most folks i think. i just hate how heavy barrels are in general. the regular boring m4 style barrels weigh about 27 or 28 ounces.

an 18 inch SPR barrel weighs 41 ish ounces. to me they're heavy as fuark.

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>>30375731
senpai pls

>>30375735
I already have one of those, I just can't seem to put a light where I want them. I put an Inforce WML on the right side, then I put the rifle on top of it and when I take it out to shoot the Inforce WML cracked. Inforce tried to say it was my fault but they ended up covering the cost of a new one after I talked with American Express about their warranty. Thing is it might have been my fault because the gun was on the right side, which is why I want the light to be on the top right in front of the sights.

>>30375790

A box cutter. Duh.

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>>30375790
L U B E

>>30375778
Let me know when you want to try on a bunch of gear.
t. Coloradan
>>30375790
Starbucks iced coffee

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>>30375790

>>30375778

Why does that tube look stupid?

>>30375830
because it's an archaic quad rail from an era gone by that people can't seem to let go of?

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>>30375838
Heretic.

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>>30375790
alqaida pls go

>>30375852
give me your lower i hate you give it to me

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>>30375805
Thanks man! I was in the email loop for the /k/ CO group but I stopped paying attention because it was primarily bantz with very little planning. I'm looking forward to a meet or something though.

>>30375501
Why not just get some aerosol CLP or Ballistol and spray it through the rail?

>>30375868
>it was primarily bantz with very little planning
>implying that isnt exactly what /arg/ is
Give me the first half of your email or something and ill shoot you over something here in a second

>>30375874
i'd remove a rail before doing that shit... what a mess

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>>30375866
This one right? That sweet original pre-ATF raid CavMKII so we can continue the nostalgia parts trip the mid 2000s?

>>30375891
no fuck you i hate that piece of shit, it reminds me of STALKER.

you know which one i'm talkin about u motherfucker. i want my dual ping pong paddles.

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>>30375838
No, not the quad rail, the buffer tube. The threaded part is skinnier than the rest. It's like pic related.

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>>30375882
[email protected]

I've only got time for so much bantz though, and it isn't my work email so it gets checked less frequently.

Need any uh, magazine parts? I'm visiting family in Texas and sending some magazine parts back.

>>30375907
a pistol tube mate

also i only buy colt buffer tubes, don't ask me.

>>30375919
>a pistol tube mate

Oh, I see. That's that stupid "Arm-Blade" thing, not an actual stock.

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>>30375830
>>30375907

I've got the KAK steel buffer tube which is specific for the Shockwave Blade brace. It has detents for the Blade's set screw so that it is fixed securely, and it is steel.

>>30375913
sent ;)

>>30375953
oh steel tube. mega stronk. what's the reasoning behind steel tubes? i've seen them somewhere before

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>>30375903
Oh yeah, that one is okay I guess.

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>>30375690
Already "got" it, sitting in jail waiting on approval.

>>30375979
give it to me you bastard.

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>>30375972
Steel is gudder, I guess.

The KAK tube is great.

>>30375994
heavier too tho. i am interested in strengthy bufffer tubes. hence my preference for colt's 7075 tubes and rolled threads instead of cut threads.

>>30376003
v7 offers a heavy duty receiver extension as well. While it is extra weight it is at the rear which should help the rifle balance and point well.

>>30376018
i think thats the one i saw actually

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I want to shoot soon.

How are the Primary Arms poverty-tier Aimpoint Micro knock offs?

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>>30376051
They are the only ones worth buying if you can't afford an Aimpoint.

>>30376003
That's a good point I'm surprised that I haven't considered.
>>30376039
Me too
>tfw I just found out some friends have some land in north ga I can shoot at
They were holding out on me

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>>30376053
Posted for TS

>>30376051
>>30376062
This. AK Operators Union has been beating the shit out of a handful of PA optics for a few months and none have had catastrophic failures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om4jA00lxfg

>>30376051
>Primary Arms
god I wish they would change their word processor font-tier insignia

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>>30376051
Not as good as an actual Aimpoint, but they're honestly the best price/performance optic out there. If we're talking about the MD-ADS, anyways.

>>30376089
>none have had catastrophic failures.

Oh wait, if I remember right ONE RDS had cracked glass after they dragged the rifle around behind a car. Dot still worked and held zero, though.

>>30376080
yeah most buffer tubes seem to be cut thread and 6000 series aluminum. 6061 which is 60%+ weaker than 7075.

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My dream build is complete. Just gotta swap out the accessories for the proper color.

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>>30376169

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alright so ARP>Faxon

what about ARP Socom vs BA Hanson 5.56?

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>>30376206
Did you post that for TS? I can't be certain.

>>30376164
RCA carrier?

>>30376158
Now I've gotta keep and eye out for 7075 when I get around to making my pistol an SBR. :x

Damnit

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>>30375965
Got it, thanks man.

>>30375972
I'm not sure actually.

>>30375994
It really is. I'm not sure you can give a fair review of the Shockwave Brace without their using their tube as well.

>>30376051
Probably the best reflex sight in the $100-$200 range. I've tried a SPARC II, and the PA MD ADS is better.

>>30376164
Nice rifle! What grip?

>>30376317
>What grip?
Looks like an ergo grip.

>>30376232
Yup, RCA lightweight adjustable. DESU, didn't make as much of a difference as I was expecting, but I blame that on a lack of proper reduced power buffer springs.

>>30376317
Ergo Original in OD

>>30376208
I'm >>30376164 and I have a Faxon Gunner. I love it and recommend it. Then again, ARP didn't list a 14.5 when I was building so that disqualified them anyway.

I thought I asked this the other day but I couldn't find a response.

If I want to go with a mid-length gas system as I have been advised to, will a carbine buffer and spring work, or do I need to get something else? I ask because I already have these on hand as leftovers from something else.

>>30376383
14.5" and above will work just fine. I have an adjustable gas system and I have to almost close it completely off to get it to short stroke.

>>30376381
It is more that ARP has made a good name for themselves providing very accurate nitrided barrels and wildcat support. Faxon is still proving themselves as a barrel manufacturer.

>>30376383
Yes they will.

I got a lower on wait, but I'm not sure if I want to build an ar anymore, or just get a rifle length upper to swap out.

>>30376399
>>30376430

Cool, money I don't need to spend!

>>30376438
why don't you want to build anymore?

>>30375460

What is everyone's favorite AR pistol barrel length? I'm wondering if I should go shorter than 10.5"

>>30376470
dunno, probs just the traffic I'll have to go through to pick it up.
Fuck IL.

>>30376496
If it is just for funsies you can go plenty short. I have a 7.5" 5.56 on my SBR for a while that was a riot for concussion and fireballs, but went up to 10.3" for suppressed use.

I still have an 8" 300blk that scratches that "barrel ends at a carbine handguard length" itch.

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>>30376164
40 round Pmags make me feel good inside.

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just ordered 3 more custom dust covers, prepare yourselves

>>30376513
o tru

>>30376589
suicide yourself

>>30376589
tatsuta>tenryu

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I've been thinking.

Although larue makes good shit, a 556 chamber with factory ammo isn't gonna give me the accuracy I want at 400 yards.
I think I really need a 223wylde chamber and a thicker profile barrel

What are my options?
Larue doesn't have 223 and BA is nearly sold out of 18" stuff

I don't want to end up with a shit barrel considering one of the primary components of an SPR is the barrel...

What do?

Is there any difference in price for attachments that are Mlok vs Keymod compatible? Or is it all screw a picatinny onto it and attach it to that?
Buying a new upper and I'm not sure which rail system to get.
Also, is this a good upper to get if you want something that's not trash for under $500?
http://aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-556-16-mid-complete-upper.html
I'll be getting the black 12" handguards either way.
I'm not dead set on getting rails, this is just the most attractive looking deal I've been able to find.

>>30377369
BCM
Noveske
LaRue?

>>30377376
whoops forgot you don't want larue...

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>>30377370
1/2

>>30377376
They carry 223 wylde?
What should I be expecting to spend?

Anyone have experience with GM before?
Literally never heard of them

>>30377369
>>30377387
I should have clarified, I was just pointing yo in those directions, I'm not sure if they have .223 Wylde or not, just that they are good brands to look at. I know that BCM Uppers start around $500 and go up to 1k, Noveske starts around 1k and go up from there.
Do you want just a barrel or a whole upper?

>>30377431
Just barrel

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>>30377387
>buy rail-less handguard
>attach rails to it
a fool and his money...

>>30377438
>>30377438
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/ar-15-m16-223-wylde-match-barrels-prod54526.aspx

>>30377449
It's for things that don't necessarily have the mounting system for a key mod handguard directly and quad rails are fucking heavy and retarded in most ways.

>>30377450
I'll look into that anon, thank you.

>>30377438
https://www.rainierarms.com/rainier-arms-ultramatchtm-223-wylde-barrel-18-spr

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>>30377454
>quad rails are fucking heavy

>>30377438
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/223-Wylde/products/395/

>>30377461
Oh. I see what you are doing.

>>30377457
I had actually just looked at that one

>>30377464
As well as some of these.

I appreciate it anon

>>30377468
>Oh. I see what you are doing.
>he thinks I'm trolling because I don't think a hollow aluminum tube is heavy
do you have pool noodles for arms?

>>30377479
Quad rails generally weigh significantly more than mlol and dickmod.

So naturally if the shooter is concerned at all with weight, a quad rail is not the most logical choice.

Also, saying "a hollow aluminum tube" is an arbitrary term, as "a hollow aluminum tube" could be 2" long and 20' long and saying if it is heavy or not would be relative, wouldn't it?

>>30377479
>You're right Chad, I should be able to hold a 12 lb rifle steady for 4+ hours at the range. I really am a huge pussy, thanks for clearing that up.

>>30377492
>Also, saying "a hollow aluminum tube" is an arbitrary term, as "a hollow aluminum tube" could be 2" long and 20' long and saying if it is heavy or not would be relative, wouldn't it?
you know exactly the range of length it would be you pedant

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>>30377496
>the difference between a quadrail and a dickmod is >4lbs

>>30377507
You know exactly why a quadrail is inferior you gnome

>>30377370
So is this a decent upper or no? Still haven't gotten any advice...

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>>30377527
>gnome
you caught me you bastard

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In

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I got packages yesterday.

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>>30377881
I got it together really fast. BCG I'd supposed to be in the post today, and I've got MBUS on the way as well. As far as a poor fag optic goes, should I go with the PA 1-4X like I had on my last rifle, or should I go with the PA micro Red Dot?

>>30377893
Why not get something new?

Try out the red dot

New to the AR world. Would I be able to mount an A2 fixed front sight to this
http://www.runnerrunnerguns.com/product_p/556-16-moe-blk-ph-7.htm

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>>30377908
That's what I was thinking. I just liked the variable optic so much. I've never used a red dot before. Are they pretty intuitive? Educate me on what kind of mount I need to pair with the micro Red Dot?

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aimpoint today, who else excited?

>>30375979
Don't ignore me, you rancid swine.
Give it to me fucker.

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>>30375460
>Be in Washington
>late June
> high for today is 64*

I miss summer

>>30375473
Good idea for remedial action

>>30375685
Aesthetics

>>30377527
Let's not throw that inferior word around. I have seen plenty of rail attachments come loose from a rail and thankfully they are tied down to the rail or else they would have been lost. MLOK and key mod rail sections are just another point of potential failure when it comes to the attachment coming off the rifle.

>>30377910
You'd have to remove the already installed gas block (fairly easy) and install the A2 FSB in its place. Or you can just leave the gas block alone and get an iron that mounts on to the picitinny rails on the gas block.

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>>30377945
Oh Christ I posted without a trip like some sort of filthy fucking peasant

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>good budget barrels?

>good budget rails?

>good budget flashlights?

>good budget BCG's?

>good budget BUIS?

>good budget optics, both magnified and not?

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>>30377948
>Dat aesthetic

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>>30377949

>good budget barrels?
PSA, DSA
>good budget rails?
ALG (people will shit talk you for how they look but it will be fine)
>good budget flashlights?
Surefire M951 on eBay
>good budget BCG's?
almost any of them
>good budget BUIS?
Magpul MBUS, or try to find a set of used Troy's
>good budget optics, both magnified and not?
Primary arms

>>30377983
Thanks familam

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>>30378000
>Dat stolen rear sight valor

Also, if anyone has or sees an LMT fixed rear for ~$50 help a brother out.

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okay so I'm about to get my first ar and I was wondering which method would be the cheapest. I want to buy from PSA cause I'm local to them.

First, just buy the cheapest ar from
Second, get a lower and a rifle build kit
third, go into the store and buy all the parts to build the ar I want.

pic related is what I want, just a plane ar with magpul furniture on it

>>30378071
So buy PSA's cheapest complete lower and cheapest complete upper and slap then together. Don't get PTAC, buy from their Freedom line of products

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-nato-1-8-stainless-steel-moe-freedom-heavy-rifle-kit.html

You can get this and then buy a $50 lower and a $99 BCG and be done with it for like $600

>>30378000
/thread

>>30378050
>50
Good luck trying to find that

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$13 for NOS surplus ALICE mag pouch: Good deal or nah? I know used go for pocket change, but the new stuff is nicer.

It seems like it would be a good thing for the car/truck because I could clip it onto my belt.

>>30378071

That's not far from how my first AR is still configured. Don't go with their PTAC line but their freedom line of uppers should be good enough.

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>>30377938
Red Dots are awesome for taking shots at under 200 yards.

You can still hit man sizes targets on the fly at 300, but it starts getting difficult, because of the lack of magnification at 400.

>inb4 but I shoot Red dots at 500 meters!

At a prepared target.

As far as mounts, if you buy from Primary Arms you'll see a tab in the same page as the optic that lets you order a mount with it.

I'd recommend ADM, on an absolute co witness setup.

Some people prefer 1/3rd but I found the functionality of having the same point of aim for my irons and red dot to be nice.

>>30378110
>>30378141
thanks for the tips, but why should I not go for the PTAC stuff?

>>30378153

It's just their cheapest possible stuff that has bad coatings or poor standards. They can crap them out faster and cheaper to people that just want low quality guns to resell or cache. Not really worth the $50-$100 saved.

>>30378175
Ooh okay, I see now. Thanks!

>>30378050

I like this paint, sort of foliage green while leaving the stock, grip and barrel unpainted. Might have to cramp your style and copy that m8

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>>30378130
I've gotten two before at $50 or less, usually some milsurp shit bought by the pallet. No luck as of recent.

>>30378179
Do it up. Believe that was Rustoleum OD "camo" spray.

>>30378050
TIS the best

But for an LMT sight you'd be better off buying a used or cheap carry handle and cut it down. LMT and DD stuff hold their value well.

>>30378151
Great post

>>30378153
It's their super cheap entry line that isn't worth the savings

>>30378209
Those were some good deals then, surplus stores are the best place to find those select diamonds in the rough.

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>>30378209

>Believe that was Rustoleum OD "camo" spray.

thanks m80, I may also look around and see what I can find that might come close to mas grey like my PC

>>30377945
>80* everyday next week
I'm going to melt

>>30378254

>be from WA

>get 1 inch of snow, everyone loses their minds, doesnt even know how to drive

>temps get above 70's, everyone freaks out thinks they're going to get heat stroke

you PNW folk are weak

>>30378263
Only people that can't drive in the snow are california transplants that invade Seattle. watching the news every winter for spin outs is a tradition in my house.

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>>30378254
It's been pushing 100* F every day for the past week. And we just got our first round of tornado producing thunder storms yesterday so humidity has been crazy.

Such is the life of living in Central Illinois.

>>30378271

In all fairness every winter's first snowfall people here act like they've never driven in snow, as if summer has erased their memory or something

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>>30378254
>80*
>melting

>>30378282
Yikes, tornados are spooky af m8. Good rainstorms look cool though, I miss those when I was in SD.

>>30378285
It comes down to people are retarded.

>>30378287
kek I'm hoping it stays warm so I can float the river in Monroe, so many qts

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>>30378254
>mfw shop I work in has no AC and needs to be at least 78 degrees at all times

>>30378317
Your job sounds terrible

>>30378306
>thunderstorms are spoopy

Hell fire I feel like such a hick right now. I hate not having thunderstorms, like pitch black sky, lightening strikes, brimstone raining down from the sky thunderstorms.

A damn river float, sheeit Thad a good way to spend the summer I tell ya hwut

>>30378317
Why does it need to be 78*?
Also what kind of dingdong would sell stuff that's temperature sensitive and not have good climate control?

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>>30378466
Fishys

>ayy lmao

>>30378475
RIP Germany

That was my guess
Y U No climate control?
Is it just not hot often enough to care?

>>30378213
Was it actually informative or are you just Meming

>>30377945
I was too tired to elaborate but I meant they are too heavy. They seem sturdy as fuck normally

>>30377543
Kek, Gg anon

Buddy of mine has a very small amount of wiggle between his upper and lower receiver, is there any way to fix that outside of replacing the upper?

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If your birthday was coming up and you dad wanted to know what you want, what do you say? don't want him spending more than maybe $100 and I don't want him to order online because it won't arrive in time, otherwise I'd say MBT. I'm thinking ammo or a new fishing reel. What do you want for your birthday /art?

>>30378479
I don't know

>>30378533
Accu wedge

>>30378346
Thunder is cool but not tornados. Floating is a great way to spend a few hours on a hot day. Ya gotta time it right tho so the waters not cold af

>>30378533
Accu-wedge in the rear, or an o-ring around the front upper stud above the pivot pin.

>>30378507
No for real it's a great post. At 300 is when a red dot starts to become a pain. lot of great information for new shooters

>>30378542
Ammo is a good idea, wouldn't want him to get jewed at a lgs tho so make sure he knows what to get and what to pay

>>30378554
Shoot boy you don't know fun till you lived through a twister(as long as you don't live in a trailer)

>>30375981
which scope?

>>30378542
Between those two, the fishing reel. That is something he can see for years to come and know he got it for you. Ammo is just a consumable.

>>30378572
>as long as you don't live in a trailer
kek

>>30378568
No shit, between big box stores and lgs, cabelas gas the most reasonable "sales" within 40 miles

>>30378591
Id go with a fishing pole then. Maybe you guys go fishing together for the day

>>30378581
I like the fishing reel idea myself because he'll be getting a fishing boat soon, and I have access to at least three boats right now.

At the range, shooting shit groups

Fuck this gay earth

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>>30378581
>>30378600
Probably do it. Makes sense.

>>30375562

Which rail is this?

>>30378631
Are the fish ok??????

>>30378638
Looks like an older Daniel Defense Lite rail before they brought the bottom up closer to centerline to shorten the i-beam profile.

>>30378638
Daniel Defense lite

>>30378645
Yea, they're just sleeping

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>>30378645
OK?, they were delicious

>>30378670
tfw no fishing boat

>>30378670
>bass
>delicious
I'd have tossed them back and tried for more crappie

>>30378670
>>30378685
When this pic was taken I only had one pond to fish. You can make out a trolling motor on the left. My buddy made a dock that detaches from the walkway ramp, and can be driven around the pond. Also has a cinder block anchor. Kek

>>30378696
I feel ya. Not the tastiEST fish, but we're culling that pond so everything caught is eaten for now.

>>30378709
kek that sounds comfy. I'd be cool with a little river skiff but there is some good fishing out on the sound here

If anyone wants something from seekins precision, I have a 20% off code I'm not going to use

>>30378741
I'll take it pls

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>>30378670
You can come over here and fish for mutant size Carp.

I hear they're edible after you stick them in clean water for a few days. :^

Since PSA is out of stock on lowers, and Primary Arms has Anderson and Gucci, what are saome other alternatives for cheap lowers?

>>30378751
Go see what your lgs has. Depending in your transfer fees and what lower you get online it will probably be around the same price.

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>>30378724
:). My buddy is going to let me take his boat out. 14ft aluminum vhull with a 9.5hp motor. I'm looking forward to a day that isn't over 100° to go out. Pretty pumped

>>30378762
So I should expect to pay about $300 for a plain jane lower with an M4 stock?

>>30378775
No, you should expect to pay $60-75 for a stripped lower.

Why would you buy a complete lower if you're going to replace half the shit in it anyway?

>>30378765
nice m8. I need to go fishing, you do any crabbing?

>>30378775
no. buy a stripped lower for 50-100 depending on what you get and transfer fees. M4 stock kit is $40 at PSA and a lpk is like 50-70

>>30378724
>get small boat
>get bow fishing rig
>shoot fish with a bow right near pikes place in full view of the cucks

I would love to do this.

>>30375536
What make is your ar pistol in this pic?

>>30378750
Eww. I never tried carp, but doesn't sound appealing. We have plenty around when I fish Lacygne Reservoir. Caught a 3 pound drum couple trips ago. Unappetizing

>>30378797
Trap crayfish sometimes. Not much for crabs in the midwest

>>30375542
that video is godtier
based chinaman

>>30375778
Can you make the stock collapse shorter or no?

>>30378801
Bowfishing's pretty fun.

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Package just arrived...pmags and breakfast

>>30378809
Don't waste your time with carp. Like another poster said you have to soak them for a few days to make them edible but even then it's not really worth the hassle.

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>I want a rifle that shoots a high-velocity round
>not getting the one with the shortest OAL
>not getting the one that perfects the bullpup concept
>not getting the one with superior AP capabilities
>not getting the one that has a higher magazine capacity
you all seriously have no excuse.

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>>30378801
kek they might think it's cool. have you watched them throw the fish around? People think it's the coolest fucking thing

>>30378819
I feel ya. I did more crabbing last year than fishing

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>>30378914
>no quadrails

>>30378809
Thats the joke, because they're a fucking trash fish.

The local mexicans love'em though, only because they usually eat nasty shit like that.

>>30378914
Been there, done that, got my money back and then some.

0/10 put your trip back on Marisa.

>>30378929
Kel. Was thinking same thing to both comments

>>30376115
FACKING HOLDS ZEEEEEERO

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>>30378914
>I'm you, but with better range, aftermarket, terminal ballistics, ergonomics and ammunition options

>>30378929
What didn't you like about it

>tfw want to go fishing but you can't use the tourists as bait/chum

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Is a 4.5 inch 20 shot group with .223 55g horrendous?

I'm super bummed because my IMI razor cores only shot to 2.5 MOA in a 5 shot group as well.

>>30379018
Use their pets instead.

I normally absolutely love animals, but holy shit for whatever reason tourists that bring their pets (or many of the non-standard service animals themselves, like the "emotional care" ones like monkeys and pomeranians that aren't actually ADA certified) are fucking HORRIBLE about letting them run rampant.
>...hey sir. Your monkey just shit in the produce cooler.
>It's okay, he's a SERVICE monkey!
>yeah yeah I saw the shitty amazon vest that doesn't meet ADA regs. Now clean it up and get out.
>b-but muh SERVICE ANIMAL
>doesn't meet ADA compliance, get out
>I'll sue you!
>Okay, but leave first.

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>>30379132
Yes, that's bad.

Yes, a 2.5 MOA 5-shot is also bad.

>>30379154
What optic did you use for those?

>>30379160
Nikon M-308 4-16x42

>>30379132
Are we talking vertical or horizontal stringing, or just all over the place?

>>30379165
See thats the thing, I have an 4x ACOG, and I feel like if I could see my target better I'd do better.

>>30379175
More vertical stringing than anything

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>>30379182
This was shot with a 1.5-5x Mk4

But yeah, aiming error is a thing. There's a reason benchrest shooters use ridiculous levels of magnification.

>>30379182
How are you shooting? Are you rushing your shots? I get sub moa with my acog

>>30379193
What targets do you like to shoot at? I'm using shitty one red dot stickies from wallmart.

>>30379190
Vertical stringing is most commonly lack of consistent recoil control shot to shot.

>>30379207
Shoot at red center dot, aim back at red dot, let the trigger reset and when I'm ready to shoot again I take the shot.

About to order this.
Thoughts?
http://aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-556-16-mid-complete-upper.html

>>30379223
What barrel? You might just be a bad shooter, practice more.

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>>30379208
There's a .pdf floating around arfcom and 6mmBR that has like 200 targets in it. If you can print cheaply (I have a cheapo Brother all-in-one laser printer so targets are like 4c/ea) that's the way to go.

I normally shoot at the >>30379154
style (100m benchrest, in the .pdf) with any magnification over 4x and at pic related (I was given like 2000 of these years ago) with low/no magnification or at 300+ with magnification.

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>>30379008
Buying snowflake ammunition that underperformes when compared to other tested platforms with shorter barrels, literally the most expensive aftermarket with very little aftermarket to boot, and to actually sbr the damn things would have cost what the rifle was worth at the time.

It is plagued by people who overpay for shit like gen one trigger packs and factory white dot optics. It has an absurd trigger and knowing it will never have an auto search is just icing on the cake.

Was it fun? Yeah, it was pretty fun, everyone wanted to shoot it and the Five seven pistol. It was a neat conversation piece after the range but outside of that, it reeks of stagnant development that FN is just cashing in on because 5.7 fanboys are LITERALLY rabid animals anytime it's brought up.

For the money, a real serviceable, modifiable and cheaper pdw is the way to go, no matter how many wound vectors 5.7 claims to have.

Also, let's compare apples to apples, here's a spessjew gun compared to a ps90.

Why would you even bother with the ps90 in 2016?

>>30379244
Looks fine

Alright faggots.

Set me straight.

MBT half off or Giessele full price?

>>30379246
Its probably me, or the barrel.

I can't really be sure. Also I have a milspec trigger.

I'm running a FN(PSA) CHF "Machine Gun" chromed barrel. That could very well be the problem too, but I don't think its causing the 2 extra MOA that I'm seeing

>>30379143
No, sometimes they bring nice dogs. I'd rather use them and their shitty kids.

>>30379269
>half off
Where?

>>30379269
Figure out what guyslee suits your style and go from there. MBT is just poorfag tier crap.

>>30379278
Try a new trigger

>>30379290
have you used a mbt m8

>>30379269
SDE>SD-C>SSA-E>SSA=MBT>SD-3G>G2S
Now you have to figure out if an SD-E is worth more than twice what an MBT+3 month wait is.
>somebody will argue with this
>that somebody really really likes 2 stage triggers because they're a fucking moron

>>30379269
>Buying a trigger that has an option of being "rush built" for more money

I don't own either, but I'm going to be buying at least two Guysnamedlee over Independence day weekend.

>>30379309
t. idiot

>>30379317
It takes a long time to """meticulously""" build it m8

>>30379353
No, all it takes is more money, nothing meticulous about throwing more cash at a couple parts and springs.

>>30379353
>in an era of instantly MIM'd rifle and pistol components
>we decided to wire EDM it just like every other trigger on the fucking planet because nobody actually MIM's a trigger or sear
>oh also it's a direct 1:1 copy of Sam Hatfield's trigger, which he's been selling since 2008 but didn't patent because he's a moron
>yet somehow it still takes us multiple months to build one "meticulously" because it's not like we stick S7 barstock in a computer-controlled EDM machine and it's done in 7 seconds

>>30379317
Like I said, somebody really really likes 2 stage triggers because he's a fucking moron.

>>30379299
I'm just shitposting.

Why are Make Europe Great Again lowers over 200 dollarydoos?
Any cheap like 3 pk of lowers online?

>>30379261
> 5.7 fanboys are LITERALLY rabid animals anytime it's brought up.
Well, how would you feel if you invested a significant amount of money into a failed niche rootytootyshooty that was part of a flash-in-the-pan concept that got completely obliterated by SBRs?

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>>30379309
>SSA=MBT
I don't own either, but from my understanding

SSA-E=MBT

>>30379395
"stop liking what I don't like" the post

>>30379415
8/10

>>30379467
Nah. MBT is 4.5lb pull and fairly smooth 2 stage.

SSA is also 4.5lb pull and fairly smooth 2 stage.

SSA-E is a pound lighter at 3.5lbs.

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Fuck it I'm just getting an SSA-E

>>30379471
More like "stop liking what every hunter, precison shooter, and tactical carbine shooter in the entire world doesn't like".

2-stage triggers serve a purpose, but that purpose is not precision. It's to keep scared, half-trained conscripts from having ND's through a heavy first stage and an even heavier second stage. They SUCK for precision shooting because they've got long pulls and 2 different pull weights, and they SUCK for fast shooting because they've got long pulls and a long reset.

Unfortunately, most modern semi's are designed after "muh milspec" and milspec is a shitty 2-stage trigger.

Unless you're a half-trained conscript, there is literally no reason to use a 2-stage trigger in a rifle that has good single stage triggers available.

>>30379483
Are you interested in the SD-E?
I recommend it

>>30379483
Wait until the 4th for the sales.

>>30379497
I must be 3lite cause I get good groups and can shoot fast with muh shitty two stage triggers. Maybe you need to get gudder

>>30379503
Seconded.

>>30379509
Have you ever tried any of the half dozen single stage triggers available for an AR? Cuz if you can shoot accurately and fast with a 2-stage, you can shoot more accurately and faster with a single stage.

Also, I've seen your groups. That's not "good groups"

>>30379520
Nothing about pb is good.

>>30379520
Never tried a single stage cause I have no reason too. Two stage works just fine for what I do. Making a blanket statement like that is retarded. I'm happy with sub moa if that's not good enough for you I don't care l m a o

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>all this shitposting about triggers

>I still have no idea what 2 stage to get

>>30379549
Haven't you heard? 2 stage triggers are for retard conscripts, do you even hunt?

>>30379549
I have the one that came with my rifle
just make a decision bro

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>>30379549
what rifle are you putting it on? I've been looking at triggers for like 6 months trying to decide on which one to buy. I'm torn between a Timney competition and geissele SD3G for single stage

Convince to buy or not buy a ta31 right now. Is the eye relief really a problem?

>>30379573
You will get used to the eye relief. What reticle ya looking at

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>>30379562

lmao. actually i dont really hunt

>>30379564

probably gonna be MBT

>>30379566

the only build I have right now, no real desire to upgrade my A4, new rifle I'm about to complete will probably just get the ACT that's in my build currently

Any decent 3 stage triggers under $200?

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>>30379573
Its not a problem for me, but when shooting from a bench it is noticeable.

When shooting offhand its a literal nonissue for me because I just enjoy shooting nose to charging handle anyways.

>>30379549
The flat geissele's are really nice.

>>30379566
The SD3G is like an AK trigger. It has the take-up, but no wall.

>>30379573
>Convince to buy or not buy a ta31 right now.
No

>Is the eye relief really a problem?
Not really, but if you're worried about it, you can get a TA11

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>>30379566
I have both of those triggers, the Timney is vastly superior as a single stage trigger in the traditional sense. The SD3G is a rolling mushy break ment to help build rhythm for speed, but it lacks the sharp sear release of a good single stage if that is what you are looking for.

>>30379602
you know that's what I've been leaning towards but everybody at work is retarded and thinks the sd3g is better. looks like ill get the timney and suffer the mocking from them

>>30379591
What you building now? The gf rifle?

>>30379601

are those more built for the idea of rapid fire or trigger control and groups because the latter is what im looking for

>>30379587
Just the chevron.

>>30379600
Going to do mostly bench and stand up shooting. Thanks for the tips

>>30379617
The SD3G's are more for rapid fire.
If you want really good groups, get the SD-E

>>30379615

yeah an Aero precision special ""for the gf"". Aero upper and lower, aero enhanced mlok rail, aero's 1:7 16" CMV, B5 bravo furniture, Aero parts kits blah blah blah Aero. shit was cheap tho, ended up getting 25% off

>>30379643
nice post gf with rifle when done

>>30379660

ill post the rifle, MAYBE pic of her shooting from the back but I dont even like posting pictures of myself on this outdated chinese back alley dice shooting forum

mfw dan is still fucking retarded wondering why he's shooting 5moa groups with a mil trigger. learn basic marksmanship dweeb.

>>30379467
That giant blunt....

>>30379676
neato

>>30379689
With proper fundamentals you can still shoot very well with a bad trigger. A good trigger just makes it easier to concentrate on the rest.

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>>30379724

I agree. I can get 2 MOA from M193 and a "poorfag" ACT out of a 1:7 twist 16" and honestly I should be shooting better. That ammo is capable of 1.5 MOA.

Alright so I'm putting together a parts list for my first AR, don't really want anything too special for it. Let me know if I am doing this right.

Handguard: $33.20 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/947071/magpul-handguard-moe-m-lok-ar-15-polymer
Upper Receiver: $49.99 http://www.primaryarms.com/anderson-manufacturing-stripped-a3-upper-receiver/p/ar15-a3-upfor-um/
Upper Parts: $29.99 http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-upper-build-kit.html
BCG&CH: $124.98 http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-freedom-5-56-full-auto-bcg-with-psa-ar15-m16-charging-handle.html
Buffer Tube: $18.80 http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/mil-spec-rifle-length-buffer-tube/
Buffer Spring: $3.50 http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/rifle-length-standard-buffer-spring-music-wire/
Buffer: $10.70 http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/rifle-length-standard-buffer/
Castle Nut: $4.50 http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/castle-nut-for-6-position-carbine-length-buffer-tub e/
Receiver End Plate: $3.50 http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/mil-spec-receiver-end-plate-with-no-sling-holes-parkerized-finish/
Stock: $37.95 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/910076/magpul-stock-moe-collapsible-ar-15-carbine-synthetic
Barrel: $245.00 https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=747&CFID=561745087&CFTOKEN=99986379
Gas Block: $86.00 http://www.primaryarms.com/yhm-9396-h/p/yhm-9396-h/
Gas Tube: $12.99 http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15-gas-tube-rifle.html
Gas Tube Roll Pin: $1.00 http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15-gas-tube-roll-pin.html
Flash hider: $9.95 http://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15-a2-flash-hider-assembly.html
Lower Receiver: $49.99 http://www.primaryarms.com/anderson-manufacturing-stripped-lower-7075t6-multical/p/ar-15-a3/
Lower Parts: $49.99 http://www.primaryarms.com/am-556-lw-parts-kit/p/am-556-lw-parts-kit/

>>30379792
>formatting
reeeeee

>>30379566
I'm thinking about a timney but I have a buddy pushing me to get an elfmann tactical

>>30379814
>elfman
Does it come with free rape?

>>30379689
You're very incoherent in your statements.

Are you saying its all me or all the result of a shitty trigger?

Of couse I'm wondering why I shot a shitty groups, its either, and listen to what I'm fucking saying.

Its either ME, the trigger being shitty, or the inherent inaccuracy of the barrel.

It could be one of those, it could be a combination of all 3, which is far more likely.