Prussian infantry officer sword

>>30366797
Swag as fuck.

Never seen a sabre-type grip paired with a straight blade before.

Prussian infantry officer saber modèle of 1889

>>30366826
thanks m8 :^)

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>>30366804
They start getting somewhat common towards the late 19th century, possibly due to influence from sport fencing which was by then inching ever closer to the modern style. Pictures is the Swedish army's sabre m/1899 for infantry sergeants. The US "Patton" sabre is perhaps the most well known example.

Earlier on there's also the pallasch, a straight cavalry sword, which is often and in many ways a saber hilt with a straight blade.

>>30366804
They were pretty common with infantry officers along the 19th century, in fact. Curved ones were mostly used by cavalry.
Thing is, most popular sabres for dressing up were cavalry ones because it was the "elegant and aristocratic" branch of the Army. Until the machinegun was invented, that is. At the wake of the 20th century, Cavalry also started using straight blades for thrusting in charges, these were basically used as lances.

>>30366797
I've got the same one. Cool thing is that the guard folds up and down. Not sure what the purpose of that is

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>>30367032
Not every cavalry force switched to straight blades, some stayed with curved blades.

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>>30367032
>At the wake of the 20th century, Cavalry also started using straight blades for thrusting in charges

That goes back quite a bit further in some parts of the world. The pallasch in its East European origins appears to have been meant primarily for that, and it turns up, hm, 17th century? Maybe somewhere in the 16th? It would at times be carried alongside a curved sabre, and possibly a mace as well, allowing the cavalryman to switch as the situation demanded. Well, situation allowing...

Holding out your sword in the charge and just riding it into the enemy was also standard Swedish cavalry doctrine under Karl XII, possibly extending both forwards and backwards a bit. Pic shows a few Swedish cavalry swords from around then.

>>30366797
i have the same one but mine probably was doug out of a trench since is rust pitted and the grip leather is gone.
War model with iron hand guard.

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>>30367073
Swedish cavalry used straight blades in the 17th century too. This is a m/1680 kavallerivärja. I think värja translates into small sword in english.

>>30367182
>>30367073
Which when i look closer is included in your picture. Is that from armémuseet?

SS Degen Sabre

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>>30367270

oops

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>>30367182
>Is that from armémuseet?

Yes.

As for "värja" it has no decent translation in English. These cavalry swords are most definitely not smallswords, even though the style that went on to being the Carolean infantry officer's sword has a somewhat smallsword-styled hilt.

>>30367327
It falls under the category small swords. Though originally, the words meant weapon in general.

Värja=straight thrusting sword, sabel=curved slashing sabres.

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>>30366797

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>>30367327
Nice, i went to there this april. Really cool place.

Been training swedish military saber a little, using old surplus training sabers. They're a bit shorter than the real ones but it's really hard to find straight sabers to spar with,

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>>30367376
The closest equivalent in Swedish for smallsword is dräktvärja, though the overlap probably isn't perfect. It's a much more specific term than värja, describing a specific style of small and light thrusting sword. Over a pound and it's a decidedly heavy one. The cavalry swords here on the other hand can easily hit three pounds.

The definitions you provide also fail when matched up against things like a pallasch (same word in English and Swedish), which is a straight sword often meant for thrusting, or any of the number of straight sabres used by the Swedish army.

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>>30367457
Regenyei's gently curved one works quite nicely, but talking him into making a few straight ones probably wouldn't be too hard.

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>>30367516
Yeah that's the best for now, but there are some people trying to find a manufacturer who can make swedish style too. Would be interesting to see that happen, they want to have that for Swordfish in the future. They had a batch of sabers from a british company a while ago but they sucked pretty hard and they're trying to get a refund.

Super flimsy and the grip is pretty terrible.

>>30367506
No, dräktvärja would be a dress sword. Which is a type of small sword. Just as dräktvärja is a type of värja.

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>>30367736
If we translate word for word, sure, but from what I can tell "dress sword" mostly refers to military swords carried as uniform accessories, with some also including civilian smallswords into the term. So a somewhat mirrored version of the Swedish term, which would seem to be primarily the civilians swords, with some military ones accepted in on occasion.

Regardless, something like värja m/1685 is most definitely not a smallsword.

>>30367073
Now those are some interesting swords, double edged blades with fuller on a smallsword-like hilt. Looks incredibly anachronistic, but reality is sometimes weirder than fiction.

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>>30368260
There are a few swords in that style. Bolognese sideswords had a simillar look with complex hilts.

>>30367270
>>30367277
>Degen
>Sabre
choose only one.