AR Thread/AR General/ARG

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>>30358195
Took you long enough faggot.

>notices edition

I hope you all choke and die in your sleep tonight.

>>30358195
Is that goat from Overwatch?

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Ammo performance out of my AR>ammo performance out of your AR

Anyone know how an aero m4e1 upper looks on a crusader lower?

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>>30358258
no

>>30358121
>Now, the 77gr SMK w/ cannelure has a G1 BC of .343.
>using g1 profile for a g7 bullet

>Still not great, but you're also still a lying little shit that knows fuck-all about ballistics.

says the person using shitty input data and trying to trump me. get the g7 drag coefficient and re run the numbers and make sure not to fuck it up as badly next time

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>>30358149
Holy shit, you're autistic and filling my mouth with words that never came out it again


>M855A1 is GOAT

Obviously lighthearted, kill yourself

>Performance is Amazing
Nothing wrong with this statement either

>Actually pennetrates plates

WAHHHH IT DOESNT PENNETRATE THESE PLATES, THE STATEMENT IS WRONG AND YOU ARE LYING

When did the doctor diagnose you with autism?

I actually agree with you about the bonded rounds, but the fact that you lash out at allies in an argument is a definite conformation of some kind of mental illness.

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>>30358291
in for mk262 is just fine out of a 10.3

>>30358273
Do you have a 20" barrel?

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>>30358337
I'm shitposting anon-kun

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Quadrail meme. Taking suggestions for new rail.

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>>30358387
good god

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>>30358387
Whatever is expensive

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>>30358329
yeah if you're shooting in a house.

>>30358121 used the wrong FPS as well, out of a 10.3 2340-2360 is more realistic at the muzzle. his bullshit ass chart literally gives the round 75 yards of free FPS travel

then he has the nerve to call me a lying little shit who knows fuck all about ballistics. he literally used a g1 profile drag coefficient

i dont know about you but i dont think mk262 has a flat base

>>30358418 get your stupid faggot ass in here

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>>30358387
A superior quad rail.

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>>30358387
another quad rail.

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>>30358387
-Centurion C4 12"
-RIS II 12"

>>30358418
>G1 is a perfectly valid (in fact, ideal) metric for bullets that won't ever go above 2800fps or below 1200fps, right?

see my post here >>30358447
the answer is no, it's not. unless you want to make the pants-on-head retarded as fuck claim that mk262 is of g1 design.

furthermore if you do find the g7 figure for BC you need to find the figures under 100 yards for your calculations to be accurate since BC isn't static. it changes over flight time.

>>30358421
Kek
>>30358438
Ye. >>30358453
Tough with 16" barrel
>>30358460
Nah

>>30358249
shark pls be nice

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Mags for gun?

>>30358040
>stolen
Hm, figured someone would make clones of all these mil rounds since the engineering has been done.

Ignoring the impracticality, where would you even get a grenade for am m203? Assuming you got tax stamps

>>30358558
google.com/mags+for+gun

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>>30358387
midwest industries mlok rail. it's light and skinny

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>>30358447
Like fuck I did.

Pic related, and stop talking about shit you know NOTHING about.
>waah G1 vs G7, it's a G7 bullet!
You don't even know what the G7 coefficient represents. It's an average across all possible velocities, whereas G1 is zoned 0-1200, 1201-2800, 2800-3500, and 3500+. For this calculation, a .343 G1 in the 1200-2800 range is the most applicable, but since it triggers your 'tisms I'll re-run it with G7
>not gonna change the results I bet

>>30358572
No one likes you

>>30358589
;_;

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>>30358507
I can't.

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>>30358580
Now, to address the whole "waah you used BC numbers I don't like!" argument, pic related.

Sierra's own data. .343 is 1700fps and below, so a more appropriate usage would be, per their own data, a .362 BC (which will be the G7).

But again, Quickload doesn't even worry about BC, only the physical dimensions of the bullet. And Hornady's chart takes it to 175 yards on the dot for 2100fps using .362.

>gunstruction doesnt work
>cant see the rifle or select parts

Is there a quickfix or is it just fucked?

Using chrome.

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>>30358655
And here's the new chart using a .362 BC, which covers everything from MV to your arbitrary 2100fps lower frag threshold (which, btw, you still haven't shown proof of).

>>30358674
Ur fucked. They use an outdated rederer that the 64-bit version of Chrome doesn't support.

>>30358580
>not gonna change the results I bet
oh okay i guess just always use g1 right? who cares about the other ones

>>30358655
>>30358682

>all this shit that doesnt matter
run the figures again with the proper muzzle velocity asshole.

im sure you already did the moment you read my post and realized you fucked up majorly and now you're trying to deflect.

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>>30358574
Can confirm. Very comfy, very light

>>30358674
It's ridiculously slow on my chrome.

>>30358698
>run the figures again with the proper muzzle velocity asshole

See >>30358580
I did.

Maybe you should stop lying and realize you know dick-all about ballistics or what loads actually do?

>>30358710
no you didn't, it's still over 2400 fps you disingenuous fuck

>>30358710
You have to lead him on further, I was anxiously awaiting his manifesto on 10.3/5" dwell times next and how we should all have at least 11.5" barrels or our rifles won't work.

>>30358731
That's a valid load. Did you even look at the fucking picture?

>>30358760
>>30358731
Or if you really want, I can do it overpressure with a crimped primer like Black Hills does, and get the velocity up to ~2480-2500 depending on which powder I use.

Also, AR-Comp isn't the fastest of the ~10 appropriate powders for that load either. Just by changing powders I can get it up to 2450fps.

>>30358760
real world testing has shown the FPS at the muzzle to be lower than your calculated bullshit

work with real world figures, or are you afraid that i'll be right?

at this point it's very obvious that you've already done it in private. that's why you haven't posted up the new chart showing exactly what i said to be true

>>30358785
Find me "real world" figures to work with then. Because until YOU start posting proofs, the entire thread will continue to call you a lying cunt.

Quickload is considered accurate and reliable, and is used by almost everybody.

This ammo debate is getting into turboautist tier strawmanning.

Lets talk about something else

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Geissele soon.

>>30358798
or you could just put in 2350 fps for the MV since it's not costing you anything to do.

except your pride

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>>30358798
>>30358810

Oh look, even at your completely arbitrary 2350fps it's still over 2100fps at 100 yards

>>30358804
this is literally all your fault you dumb faggot

>>30358804
No this is fun and informative

>>30358810
See
>>30358817
You were saying...?

>>30358817
>>30358831

oh look you changed the BC again

>>30358572
you know what dude?

>>30358820
Little kids all I said was that I don't think Varmint rounds are good for people. And that Mk262 was a good round out of a 10.3 AR.

I never asked for this

>>30358876
your moms good for people..heheheheheheh

>>30358876
you literally said OTM rounds expand

>>30358853
I love a good joke m8, let's hear it

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>>30358195
Send gote.

>>30358901
who said anything about a joke, M8?

>>30358901
alright.. well maybe i will tell a little joke then since you sounded so excited.. ahem..lets see here

>>30358848
Even with the other BC it would still be above 2100 Beyond 50 yards which was the second attempt at bullshiting about the mark 262 and you said it would be even worse than lighter bullets which would perform like crap under 20 yards

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>>30358848
He is actually using the correct G1 bc for the velocity. To get this shit to stop though, here is 2350 with the incorrect lower G1 bc *and* the Litz corrected 0.190 G7 bc.

It meets your frag threshold at 100y still either way.

>>30358901
3 rocks walk into a bar..the rock hating bartender says "whatll it be"the first one says "ill have a beer" the second rock says "ill have a shot of rum" and the third rock says " im just here for pb to fuck me in my rock hole"

>>30358934
that's a joke set up m8

>>30358947
oh boy

>>30358956
okay now go set up at the range and chrono it at that range

I want to eat pb's dogs

>>30358961
Classic rock jock

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>>30358981

>>30358975
We are going to breed again, I'll send ya a pupper

>>30358981
joke*

>>30358970
So you can disbelieve that too, right?

>>30358896
Filter me, I misunderstood something that functionally makes no difference, but yes, I was under the impression OTMs expand AND fragment.

>>30358970
He just used math to prove that you're a f****** moron, and now you want a Chrono set up just to prove that you're f****** stupid. The whole point of using the map with them that you didn't have to set up a Chrono at a hundred yards. You what you should have said is that nothing will prove to you that it's above 2100 feet per second at a hundred yards except for chronograph data. Go kill your self also I'm using the Google Talk voice b******* so anything that's wrong is Google phone

>>30359017
why cant you all be nice to each other. youre tearing this family apart.

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>>30358905
Send me your address you turbo nignog.
>>30358249
This is a nobully general, please respect our users and the rules.

>>30358970
No need, your insistence that M193 earlier can't break 2700fps whereas my 10.3" chronos Wolf Gold at 2750fps which is a decent facsimile for M193 already tells me that you are just making noise for the sake of doing so.

>>30359002
nah i really wouldn't. i believe gathered data, not repeated bullshit on the internet. i would respect you highly if you did that actually. i like being proven wrong

>>30358994
just checking in on you again my fellow rockjew. how you been doing ?

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>>30359017
>Go kill your self
>also I'm using the Google Talk voice b*******
kekarooni

>>30359008
and that's a seriously noob thing to think. otm happens because of the process to make the projectile. it's a more consistent way of drawing the jacket around the core. it's only coincidence that it has an opening at the tip.

non otm projectiles have that opening at the base and it's much larger

>>30359044
what are those? special crying glasses?

>>30358195
Who is that cock dock?

>>30358195

/k/ommrades, I need your help.

I want to buy an AR and join the threads, but I'm on the short end of cash. I've been looking into getting a Smith and Wesson M&P15, is this a good platform to start with? I'd probably customize over time.

I know you will tell me to build myself, but I'm totally newfag to the AR scene and wanted to get a good bang for my buck, preferably under $800.

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>>30359029
Shoot me an email at [email protected] so I can make sure I've got the right email for you.

>>30359031
>your insistence that M193 earlier can't break 2700fps
i NEVER said anything about m193 ever. this is the second time i've had to tell you this.

>>30359055
Yes

>>30359060
everyone is a newfag to the AR scene. literally youtube building an AR lower.. and youre done. buy an upper from palmetto state armory, and you just snap the two halves together and done. my first lower build, a complete noob, followed step by step instructions on youtube and was done in 30 mins. you can too. you will need a simple punch set, a hammer of any kind, and some allen wrenches.now sit down and shut up

>>30359091
aw you just gave me feels. stop that. you're not supposed to do that.thats not how this works

>>30359017
You're a fucking home wrecker!

>>30359065
Done.

>>30359040
Great my man, how about yourself?

>>30359091
Should I buy this for $2800
http://www.armslist.com/posts/5515891/pensacola-florida-optics-for-sale--tnvc-pvs-14-l3-gen3-tnvc-on-an-ops-core-helmet

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>>30359141
:^)

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>>30359060
If you're that set against building, you can always get a pre-assembled upper from BCM and a complete lower from PSA for about $800.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16%20bfh.htm
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-moe-ept-lower-black.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/palmetto-state-armory-5-56-premium-full-auto-bolt-carrier-group-8779.html

>>30359054
For the sake of clarification, how does an FMJ round work then?

The jacket is drawn all the way around the core? Or is the jacket incomplete at the base or what?

I don't reload so I rarely see the projectile part of my rounds without the case attached.

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>>30359167
>http://www.armslist.com/posts/5515891/pensacola-florida-optics-for-sale--tnvc-pvs-14-l3-gen3-tnvc-on-an-ops-core-helmet
I would want to look through the tubes myself first.

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I'm sorry for what I started

>>30359192
The jacket is drawn from the nose of the bullet to the base of the bullet, and leaves the core exposed at the base. Gimme a sec and I'll get a pic of one.

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>>30359192
is the jacket incomplete at the base or what?
>on otm projectiles have that opening at the base and it's much larger

>>30359171
Did you get the dillo dust?

>>30359193
Yea, me too
It seems like a good deal though right?

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>>30359227
Not yet, when did you send it?

>>30359253
Thursday iirc

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posted while ago and got no love

I need a optic for the ar so looking recommendations, this is a 6lb rifle so I want to keep it light

I'm looking at the trijicon mro or I found a used eotech exps2 -0 for $400 (not a fan of the battery life tho). Already own a aimpoint t1 so looking for something different'ish

>>30359149
not bad. just got home from colorado on sunday. was awesome. looking into building a new ar pistol.. but i want an a2 upper with carry handle but not sure what gonna do yet

>>30359297
I suggest you kys

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>>30359206
>>30359213
Well that just completely changed the way I look at ammo now

>>30359318

not until you kys first

>>30359318
i suggest you learn to be nice to people instead of redirecting your crippling depression onto other people, jerk

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>>30359289
I'll keep an eye on the mail. Thx bbz.

>>30359297
MRO
R
O

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>>30359318
jelly m8?

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>>30358195
Just waiting on my stolen valor rear sight then I'm painting it. Tips?

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>>30359355
Loving the hand stop

>>30359333
I triple dog dare you to kys

>>30359337
Welcome to /arg/, bitch.

>>30359044
This pic makes me tingle

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>>30359331
Yeah it's a little weird.

Here's a pic to illustrate it. On the left is a 77gr Sierra Matchking w/ cannelure (same bullet used in mk262mod1) and on the right is a Hornady 55gr M193 clone bullet

>>30359355
Degrease the shit out of it. Tape off your optic lenses or have your lenscaps closed.

>>30359380
i never loved you.i was just in it for the money.

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>>30359410
Best way to degrease the whole thing? Can I just wipe it down or should I dip it in something? Don't really wanna take apart the lower.

>>30359432
>>30359380
>>30359333
>>30359318

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_azCIe_0Kk

>>30359450
I use an aerosol degreaser (Brownell's TCE) because it's what I had on hand, but honestly methylated spirits/denatured alcohol in a dimestore squirt bottle works just as well.

Most of the good degreasers evaporate too fast to "wipe down" a whole gun, but dipping is overkill.

>>30359455
im gonna do it.

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>>30359476
So just spray it with some denatured alcohol?

>>30359331
how often do you refill your bottle with evan williams for /arg so you can look cool?

>>30359497
Take pb with you

>>30359501
Yep

Newfag question. What is a good entry level/beginners, under $950. I want to get one before it's literally impossible, and even though I'd rather have a handgun, it's easier to get a fucking rifle. What a joke.

Also am I better off online or local?

>>30359525
yeah hes a rockfag anyway

>>30359529
Thanks famalam

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>>30359230
TNVC sells their "basic kit" for $2945. It seems like you're basically paying new price and getting a free helmet to me, but I haven't spent too much time looking at the used market for PVS-14s.

>>30359533
You're better off kys

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Can I get some solid advice on spikes tactical I saw one of there ar 15s but I don't know anything about them. Also 556>203 or 203>556. Not trolling just need opinions sorry about shit spelling and grammar dead tired after work.

>>30359563
thx bb

>>30359548
There isn't much of a used market for NVG's in general, nearly $200 off retail plus a "free" $1000+ (MSRP $1380 for that model) helmet is a pretty damn good deal.

>>30359055
kek civilian scum.

>>30359579
They're well built but have cringey as fuck rollmarks.
>556>203
wha? Do you mean 5.56 vs. .223rem? If so, it literally doesn't matter. Find the load that is most accurate in your rifle.

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>>30359524
Do you honestly think that someone with the disposible income to buy an ACOG and build an AR for literally no reason at all wouldn't just buy new Whiskey when he ran out of the good shit?

I also enjoy Jameson

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sup ladies.

>>30359616
Yes. Yes, I genuinely believe that.

And Jameson's pretty good. My favorite whiskey is Templeton Rye though.

>>30359624
kys

>>30359616
yeah why woudlnt they? ive built 4 ARs for no reason with my disposable income and i still buy the halfway good toilet paper.

Aero M4E1 Enhanced upper worth it? Schuyler had it on sale for $85 and I am getting an Aero hand guard anyway so it would give me a rock solid hand guard and upper combo.

>>30359149
arlight well im out since youre being an anti social nigger. until the next time rocknigger

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>>30358195
Here's some OC
I can't escape your goatshit

>>30359637
>halfway good toilet paper
Never, NEVER skimp in toilet paper

>>30359639
If you like Aero handguards, yeah that's p. good deal. The upper itself is good.

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>>30359612
How about price wise 223or556 also availability?

>>30359657
That calls for a tire slashing.

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>>30359657
>I can't escape your goatshit
No one can.

Does the Gen3 MI rails use the same barrel nut as the Gen2? I've got the Gen2 SS modular handguard and am considering getting the Gen3 m-lok

>>30359634
lol you're cute.

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>>30358387

new optic first

>>30359297

MRO is nice and light

>>30359579

Spike's parts are fine, 556 is higher pressure than 223 but they're very similar in their ballistics profiles.

>>30359677
.223 is cheaper and probably more readily available locally. You can find either online.

>>30359690
Ask them not us you retard

>>30359017
>You what you should have said is

>>30359687
>0 to 100 real quick

I like you

>>30359689
Sadly

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>>30359591
>plus a "free" $1000+ (MSRP $1380 for that model)
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that it's the $270 model OPs Core Bump helmet.

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>>30359289
Jesus Christ, this is the sketchiest thing I've ever gotten in the mail.

>>30359732
No, it's a ballistically rated model

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Questions from a few threads back that didn't get answered: CMMG any good? and KAC carbine length rail system; are they any good?

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>>30359698
>>30359612
Thank you based annons for answering my questions I hope to post in this general with my first personal AR after I get back from the feild. I will probably be the guy with the spikes AR 15.

>>30359624
>not keeping the ejection port cover closed to show off nickle borat bcg

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>>30359752
>No, it's a ballistically rated model
Okay, that makes a big difference. Yea, that's a good deal. I'd still inspect the tube myself before buying though.

>>30359732
It looks identical to the FAST XT, which is the $1380 ballistic helmet (and also their cheapest ballistic helmet).

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>>30359768
>nickle borat

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>>30359755
>CMMG any good
Supposed to be pretty good.
> KAC carbine length rail system
Heavy, but solid as shit.

>>30359755
you mean the RAS?
Usually anything KAC is great, just expensive as fuck
with the exception of their suppressors

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>>30359755
Both of those things are on my memeout upper and the lower is an old CMMG as well. They work fine.

>>30359755
CMMG is perfectly average. Decent barrels, a little overpriced for what they are, straight milspec.

Worth getting if you're a MO resident or LE/mil active or veteran, they do HUGE discounts for those.

Drop-in or freefloat KAC rail? The drop-in is good but heavy and I don't have any experience with the freefloat.

>>30359662
i mean its not the kind with those lines in it.. you know.. the good shit.. but its still name brand

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>>30359774
Got it straightened out here.>>30359752
I think it's a good deal now.

>>30359747
Enjoy :^ its yummy

>>30359747
ahahahahaha

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Is it wrong that I want this with an upper in 25-45 Sharps?

>>30359822
Everything about that is wrong

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>>30359817
Pls no poison/cum/anthrax/etc.

>>30359822
DELETE THIS

>>30359747
now you have a serious choice to make.

>trust, and ingest?
>not trust, throw away.

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>>30359747
>>30359817

>memes irl

>>30359839
100% pure Larue brand Larue dillo dust.

>>30359822
id buy it just to post here for the spergs.

Yo anonfag, I got your goatmemes sealed up and sitting in the mailbox.

>>30359859
So poison AND cum. Got it.

>>30359856
If you want some just email me bb no need to be mad

whats a good VFG that attaches directly to a keymod rail

>>30359876
BCM Gunfighter

>>30359868
Only cum is from mark himself

>>30359876
bcm

>>30359881
they seem really stubby to me

>>30359872

I have two bottles, I'm not a fan of it, too sweet.

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>>30359850
I have already made my choice.
>>30359856
:^)
>>30359859
It's sweeter than I was expecting, but pretty good.

>>30359887
Then get the longer model

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>>30359887
They're not intended for chicken chokers. They're long enough for a thumb-break grip, which is what you should be using anyway.

Pic related.

>>30359896
Don't hesitate to let the wife try it :^. It is bretty sweet

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>>30359872
Will you give
>airsoft
some?

>>30359905
thx
I should have just gotten a pic rail so I didn't have to spend 500 dollars on "sections"

>>30359896
oh man......its the brownies incident all over again.

>do not eat things people from the internet give you.
>especially if you are small and attractive.

>>30359822
i....is....is this real?

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>>30359912

>>30359920
Fact

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So I just bought an 80% lower as a spur of the moment kind of thing, I'll be milling it out this weekend but I have no idea what kind of rifle I'm setting up. This will be my first AR. Mostly for practice/fun and SHTF.

I've been doing my own research but I want to know what /arg/ thinks.

>16 inch barrel, CHF, not a lightweight or bull barrel.
>Maybe 14.5 with permanent muzzle device
>Mid length gas
>1in7 twist
>Magpul stock and PG, no idea what handguard
>Vertical FG/AFG

Are there any "Must have" options or features I should look at? I've been thinking of just getting a BCM upper assembly. I have no idea what to look for in triggers other than not costing more than 100 bucks.

I'm going to try to keep the build under $800 and get it done before the end of the year. Any ideas?

>>30359918
I don't have much left tbhwy

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>>30359912
Nah, I'm holding off on that one. I'll let my mistakes be my own. :^)

>>30359921
You realize the brownies incident was a joke from Construction right? It's a good thing I'm neither small nor attractive though. :^)

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>>30359887
Huh, I just checked, and I didn't realize that they didn't offer their long model with keymod direct mount.

Looks like Tango Down has one though.

>>30359955
>If you want some just email me bb no need to be mad
You just hate me

>>30359933
Ares SCR, designed to be a 50 state legal AR, though it isn't this legal in this configuration.

>>30359957
kek try it on some meat tho it does taste different cooked

>>30359963
Nah I knew he had some

How much is a urx 3.1?

>>30359965
How the fuck does the bolt move

>>30359978
Too much for you

>>30359977
:(

>>30359986
you think I could trade a urx4 for it?

>>30359965
i want to destroy it. with fire.im sorry.

>>30359992
No

>>30359987
You're ugly too

>>30360012
:O fuck keymod and mlok

>>30359978
Don't do it, go for a URX 3.0 so you don't have the stupid side rails at the receiver end the 3.1 has.

>>30360012
Fuck you, you're ugly

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what I miss

>>30359697
Thanks for the info shifu

>>30360018
KAC rail covers suck ass
they move around a bit and it makes me crazy

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>>30360028
Dillo dust :^)

>>30359957
i dont care man, now the fucking weirds on here have a new fun idea.

>>30360027
You're mom doesn't think so. She did wish she had a good looking son though.

>>30360028

lmao that pic. pretty much summarizes his entire defense

>>30360049
That is all fine and dandy, but what does that have to do with the 3.0 not having the stupid receiver end rails that the 3.1 has?

>>30360084
oh no I'm talking about the keymod ones
I have a mod 2
Those little keymod sections are like 50 bucks a piece
BCM HERE I COMEEEEE

I hate all of you

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>>30359950

Currently piecing together an AR with a 16 inch middy BCM BFH, with the chrome lined and cold hammer forged goodness. Obviously haven't shot it yet, but it's a sexy looking upper.

Make sure you get a handguard with some regular old pic rails, or if you're not a fan of handguard attachments just get the regular A2 style handguards.

Don't get this M-LOK jackassery that Magpul does if you ever want to attach shit to your handguard. It'll save you the trouble of having to basically buy a bunch of proprietary shit to make your handguard more modular.

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>>30359624
who are you?
>>30359747
kekeronni

Would I be a retard if I built a 5.56 complete upper set and a .300 complete upper set so I could easily swap?

>>30360182
No

>>30360182
Yes

>>30360182
no reason to own 300 unless you reload and have a suppressor

>>30360182
Thats what I did since I don't shoot 300blk enough for it to warrant a complete sbr lower for itself.

>>30360201
>this meme again

>>30358574
MI barrel nuts piss me the fuck off. I have had 2 MI barrel nuts or some necessary attachment component disintegrate on me for no fucking reason. You would think I would stop buying their shit.... But their rails are super nice. They just skimp on the barrel nut and screws.

>>30359501
What is your rail??

>>30359579
Spikes quality is great, but their support is super hit or miss. If it is back ordered prepare to wait several months with no reliable information.

>>30360283
To quote pb and anon in every thread
>airsoft
But it's a copy of the Warsport LVOA

>>30360283
He has an airsoft wire cutter rail. Its modeled after the War Sport LVOA rail.

>>30358195
Is $1200 CAD for a used C7 a good deal or no?

>>30359690
No. Gen 2 has these spiraling prongs on the back that the rail locks into. Gen 3 just uses a rough grip surface and a torque lock thing.

>>30360300
spikes is just as good as bcm when it comes to mil standards. they're very fastidious about being in spec. they let all the standards they comply with for their products. good shit

>>30360316
Didn't Diemaco only do a limited run of them for civilian purchase? If that is the case it may be.

>>30360328
let = list

>>30360300

sounds just like Aero then, which isn't surprising because Aero makes their lowers IIRC

>>30360341
No clue. I've just been scrounging for a 20" complete upper.

>>30360300
>>30360347

Anyone know how a spikes lower and an aero upper fits?

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this was seen in my town today

>guess I'm going skin walker hunting tonight

>>30360307
>airsoft wire cutter
>>30360310
fuck I really like it. Can you get the Warsport LVOA rail separate? All I can see is buying a full rifle with it....

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>>30360310
It's made of 6061 aluminum so it's not like the whole thing is a piece of shit. Only gripe I have is where the rail meets the upper. Other than that I love it.

>>30360364
I'd rather hunt you

>>30360359
The same as any other milspec lower+upper fit.

IE, it runs the gamut.

>>30360365
No, Warsport doesn't sell it separately and the very few legit takeoffs that have gone up for sale go for almost as much as the complete rifle.

>>30360359
no but spikes and bcm fit decently. BCm sits a little forward of the spikes but not by much. Functions perfectly fine.

>>30360371
I've used Ebay M-Lok rails from Hong Kong on my budget builds before. They work fine, thought I can't vouch for their durability yet.

>>30360365
>>30360383
>this
Warsport hates it's customers

>>30360328
I agree but BCM has always shipped my stuff really fast and provided constant updates. Spikes took 3 months of constantly changing the order date without notifying me before I got fed up and cancelled the order.

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>>30360247
I've never had a problem with any of their hardware and I regularly take the handguards off and swap them

>>30360371
How does it attach? I have no idea since it is meant for airsoft and thus probably no barrel nut...

>>30360350
I found this on a blog from 2014 "These rifles are considered by Colt their 30th anniversary limited editions. They say that only 1,000 of these rifles were manufactured, 500 SA20s and 500 SA15.7s. Ten of each model were reserved for Colt Canada’s internal uses, so 490 per model will be sold to the public. "

I don't know if they just continued to pump them out after that or not though.

>>30360419
probably with a barrel nut. some airshit is really detailed, they try for realism

>>30360162
Cool, what kind of flip-up sights are those? And will flip up sights generally align with the front sight post without too much fuckery?

Will a front sight post interfere with most optics? I'm thinking of sticking a cheapo primary arms red dot until I get around to buying an Eotech holo or something.

Thanks for the input on the M-lock. I've been thinking of getting a pretty standard quad rail for a VFG/AFG and weaponlight.

>>30360414
I had a gen 1 SS that the screw holding it to the barrel nut disintegrated and then the barrel nut threading disintegrated.

I have a gen 3 SS Mlok that the barrel nut slots where the barrel nut wrench hooks into literally crumpled like aluminum so unless I want to try and cut deeper notches that barrel nut is not coming off. Also the barrel nut wrench is all bent to shit as well....

>>30360439
Magpul MBUS
Reasonably close on a true receiver
No
The PA are fine, wait for Eotech to unfuck their products

>>30360439
That's a Magpul MBUS (I think gen2).

Yes, all reputable flip-up sights will line up with an A2 FSP assuming you didn't do something retarded like buy an HK-height set for the 416/417 (yet another proprietary thing HK does because they hate you).

A front sight post will not interfere with magnified optics 3x or higher, you end up with a very tiny little blurry arc in the bottom of the reticle and that's it. They make lower-third cowitness mounts for non-magnified optics specifically to place the majority of the FOV above the front sight post as well.

>>30360435
Yeah, the ones I've seen usually come with a barrel nut that is consistent with the rail they are trying to imitate.

>>30360435
Damn. I might actually buy one...

>>30360481
Just get one and try it out if you're curious. Worst case scenario you blow $50 on a rail that doesn't hold up.

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>>30360435
>>30360481
It uses a barrel nut, a screw to hold it in place, and two screws to tighten it down

>>30360462
>screw holding it to the barrel nut disintegrated
I'm assuming you don't have a torque wrench that does inch-lbs? Almost no screw ever needs to be tightened past 30 in-lbs, especially not a clamp-on rail like the MI's. I think I have mine at like 12 in-lbs.
>and then the barrel nut threading disintegrated
Pics? Did you use some form of grease/oil/other lubricant on it? You're supposed to, it prevents galling. Aluminum is prone to galling.
>where the barrel nut wrench hooks into literally crumpled like aluminum
It is aluminum. Again, did you use a lubricant on the threads? IIRC there's like, 6 slots and you only need 3. Use the 3 that have the most material between the wrench and the direction you're turning. Aero's rails use a similar nut.

And above all else:
>did you call MI and complain?
>are you absolutely 100% sure it's not a knockoff/you bought it through a reputable dealer and not Amazon/Ebay?

>>30360510
What are the two (screw?) holes for at the very end of the top of the rail? I've got an ARMS SIR that has those but it's got the reversible picatinny/PEQ2 mount that flips up, that one doesn't.

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>>30360423
I asked for close up pics and I noticed the upper has a Cerro Forge marking. Nigga was trying to selling me a 20" Colt clone as a legit Diemaco. Still worth it?

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>>30360549
No, idk what those are for
These are it

>>30360559
No, absolutely not.

>>30360567
Ah. I was a different guy though, just saw them and went hmm.

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>>30360570
Phew, dodged a bullet there. I was excited too after hearing about how great Diemaco barrels are.

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>>30360534
For the first one the screw was just an allen/hex screw. It didnt just strip it literally was like sand.

Dont have picks as I chucked it after I cut it off. Yes I always oil the threads. No idea wtf happened. They gave me 50% of a new rail and free shipping.

For the second one it wasnt the threads it was the notches (see pic) when I went to remove it they crumpled into a the barrel nut. No pics as I would have to remove the rail again (which putting it back on was a bitch and I am not really ready to replace the entire upper.)

I can show you the dents in the wrench though.

I ordered the rails straight from their website so yea 100% certain they werent knock offs.

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>>30360462
>SS
there's your problem, stick with the T series

>>30360559
Colt Canada is new Diemaco.

What irons should I get for my build? It might be a while til I put any sort of optic on there, so I was thinking about going with fixed irons.

Or should I just go the default route and get Magpul MBUS?

>>30360584
I have no idea why they're there haha, probably just some aesthetic.

In other news, where is the best place to put a magpul QD tab? I have it on the top rail, the side rail looks better but doesn't feel right

>>30360559
The Diemaco "D" hasn't been present on the Cerro uppers Diemaco finished for some time now. Could still be legit. Even when it was, Cerro still made the forgings for them.

You would have to check barrel, BCG, and (not sure if it is the same for Colt Canada) the FCG for C markings. Of course the lower rollmark goes a long way in identification as well.

>>30360559
It's an American Colt upper I believe, as only a keyhole mark was paresent. Colt Canada products have the Diemaco marking.

>>30360633
>>30360639
Ah okay. I will be inspecting it thoroughly in person.

>>30360624
What show is that?

This custom AR15 in 300 AAC I bought has a SIG516 upper, and I googled that shit and it said it was a $1000+ part and a shortstroke pushrod system. What the fuck did I buy? I only paid $700 for the whole gun.

>>30360657
cunny bear

>>30360624
T series is cheese grater only. Plus they are heavy and use the same barrel nut. All the gen 3 rails use the same barrel nut.

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>>30360610
>>30360624
Pic of fucked up barrel nut wrench from trying to remove Gen 3 barrel nut.

>>30360657
Seitokai Yakuindomo.
>>30360681
Faggot.

>>30360699
That's what you get for using a wooden wrench idiot

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>>30360643
These pictures are from a 2007 M4C thread talking about the forge mark changes.

"They are not being made anymore with the Stylized Diemaco D. Colt Canada will frequently make parts for Colt USA and visa versa. Most Colt Canada parts today are stamped CC now or their upper is a raised Cage Code. "

Old upper > New upper > BCG rollmark

>>30360713
??? What the fuck are you on? The wood is my desk in the background. Fix your eyes. The wrench is the metal barrel nut wrench that comes with the rails....

>>30360716
Thanks. The upper only has a keyhole marking but no raised Cage Code. The barrel is also marked with "C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7".
This guy is trying to ruse me right?

>>30360713
How high are you right now?

>>30360755
The BCG also doesn't have a milspec finish or any finish consistent with the SA20's I've seen.. This is 99% a ruse I think.

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>>30360755
"C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7" is a Colt USA roll mark.

Here are more pictures from that 2014 SA20. Notice all the CC marks for Colt Canada as opposed to the single C of Colt USA

Whats the difference between the vortex SPARC AR and SPARC II?

>>30360776
Out of curiosity, what is a 20" complete Colt USA upper worth in the US?

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>>30358195
what's /AR/'s opinion of Stag?

Thinking about buying the 3TH-M upper because that Diamondhead handguard is so aesthetic

>>30360805
20" true gov profile flat tops actually sell for quite a lot $700+

>>30360832
Stag is probably going to be out of business soon.

(Maybe)

(From what I've heard)

Holosun red dots any good?
I'm looking to get something other than the irons I have been running for a couple years but am hesitant to drop $400+ on a nice optic just yet.

>>30360850
so would that mean now is a good time to buy from them?

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>>30360832
I dunno about stag in general but I can confirm that the diamondhead handguards are very comfy.
Heavy, but comfy.

>>30360858
i heard the Stag ones were a bit lighter than the average diamondhead

of course can't confirm if true

>>30360832
One of the big commercial rifle builders that made it though the AWB sunset. RRA made an arguably better name for themselves, but Stag grabbed a lot of LE contracts in the early-mid 00s.

They make fine rifles and for a while were a decent cheaper option to a Colt, but the modern AR market means you can buy or build for cheaper elsewhere.

>>30360857
Well, no.

Literally google "Stag Arms" and read the second thing that comes up.

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>>30360867
Maybe, it might be the vent cut difference, unless diamondhead has started cutting them differently than they did in 2013 when I got mine.

>>30360404
yea i dont blame ya, they're quality tho

Thoughts on buying this: http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/80-jig-with-anodized-80-lower-receiver/

and this: http://www.andersonrifles.com/product/anderson-basic-gun-kit/

and then replacing certain parts I want (eg different stock and handguard) as a way to build a really cheap ar since I imagine seeking out the parts won't be cheaper than $550 (since I want to use an 80%)? Or do y'all think it would be cheaper to go ahead and buy everything individually?

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Lathes are pretty neat.

I turned the resin parts myself, but I need to find a clip that is an AR

>>30360990
Plenty of companies offer "rifle kits" less the lower with different furniture like say the Magpul offerings. Have you looked to see if anyone has one with that parts you are wanting to use already?

>>30361006
Haven't shopped around for it much because the thought hadn't occurred to me to buy a kit, since I was planning on searching for parts individually.

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I'm back everybody. Got a new phone. Anyone down for another round of what's in the box?

>>30361086
is it a 50,000 lumen flashlight attachment

>>30361086
dildoes
or boolits

>>30361086

Cyanide so you can kys?

>>30361086
is it a better camera?

The continuation
>>30361147
>>30361147
>>30361147

>>30360782
Anyone?

Why do you guys make ARG so gay?

>>30360632
Top rail is best spot. I know it looks goofy but I've tried everywhere and it's definitely the most comfy.

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>>30361155
do you know how boring these threads would be without all the faggy shit

it would be like akg and hit bump limit once a month

>>30360699
There was definitely something fucky going on there. Ether the threads were seizing or you were way overtorquing it if it chewed the wrench up that bad.

Not saying it's your fault, but the next time you put an upper together use a good grease on the barrel nut instead of oil. Aeroshell M33 is supposed to be the "best" but it's basically automotive lithium. Then again, it's also pretty cheap, so it comes down to whichever you'll use all of eventually.

>>30360300
Thank you annon but it is in a store near me