Gear Queer: Light Operating

>>30348956
God I want a sig 556

OP that gun is sex.
>TFW no galil to oper8 with Inna sadf chaqueta

>>30349100
You silly cunt that's a cetme c93

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>>30349074
>>30349100
I've wanted one for as long as I can remember, it is honestly better than I dreamed. Totally worth every penny of $1200.

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chest rig and a backpack is good.

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So lightweight I don't even carry mags or a gun.

Are there any South Ga/ North Fl /k/ommandos who want to Gear Queer up?

Post more M81 Woodland and OD Green


It's all I can afford so I wanna feel like I'm not poor

>>30349145
I know what that gun is, I'm saying I want a galil faggit

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My poverty rig.

>>30349412
What kind of groups do you get from your M1a?

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>>30349374
Here ya go

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>>30349432

100yd group off a bipod using ZQ1 M80 Ball. It must of been a good batch of ammot becuase I have never had as good of groups with surplus since. Groups are tighter with my handloads but I cant find any pics.

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and a bag to carry water.

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>>30349533
>those boots
My nigga

>>30349233
Sucks that they stopped making them.

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Light enough?

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This is a quick "jump out" rig. The LBT 6094 with two pistol mags, a radio, an ESEE Izula, and two Flex Cuffs, a Glock in a Safariland, Cuffs + Mag in a Safariland case, Surefire G2, Oakley SI Assault Gloves, my BCM 14.5" AR, and Lowa Zephyr GTX boots. The Tops Sky Marshall and Estwing Tomahawk stay tucked on either side of the center console.

>>30349479
Thanks for the info

>>30349585

But my quick use takes maybe 30-40 min, so I don't need food, water, or firestarters on my kit.

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R8 dont h8

Post D3CRs.

>>30349622
Throw it at the wall; see if it sticks.

>>30349622

ZombieKilla/10

>>30349622
Did you get that in the new Gamma case?

>>30349585
Your Glock looks like one of the matte finish ones, is it?

How does it hold up to use?

>>30349593

No problem pal.

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>>30349629

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This

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>>30349343
Absolutely. 31520 here. I don't have a lot of gear yet but I'm always up for tips or grabbing more.
> Pic related, the gear this far.
yeah, yeah, same pic every thread, cool your tits, PC is next (and a non kryptec bag).

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>>30349629

>>30349622
Good gun, shit taste.

Anyone other than blackhawk make a decent holster for this?

>>30349797

Can you put some steel AK mags in it?

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>>30349869
I don't own steel AK mags.

>>30349884

Queer-o.

>>30349658

Yeah. We replaced all of ours 3 years ago, I've got one little scratch from an incident involving busting a vehicle window with it (horrible idea; will never try again.) but I suspect that may have happened with the old finish. Not really much different.

>>30349850
Nigger is that a RPK?

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r8 h8 no pl8s

>>30349850
Email Brunswick bro?

>>30349967
Are you the guy That said you don't plan on getting shot in the back?

>>30349997
kek i posted the pic and went back to work, came back to that retard. had a good laugh, it was not me.

>>30350018
Lol. Damn this anonymous message board

>>30349966
nah, just a stupid long muzzle attachment. Made a killer fireball, and made the recoil come straight back, no rise. Love to have an RPK though.
>>30349985
My throw away is [email protected]

>>30350079
i thought it was funny, he had someone rustled

>>30349935
Alright thanks, have seen a bunch of people bitching about the matte finish and was considering just looking out for older ones.

But as long as the new ones are essentially the same shit functionally and don't rust then whatever.

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>>30349884
I never knew I needed an AK until this moment...

>>30349806
Does the asymmetrical pouch location bother you? Have you thought about moving the rear-most pouch to, say, just right of the buckles?

>>30350227

Nah. Occasionally gets a weird discoloration film from oils, but you can wipe it off with your finger.

>>30349585
Unrelated question but, what kind of guns do you seen used in crimes most?

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>>30350320

>>30350320

I don't really work cases anymore, but when I was doing the gang task force thing it was Smith & Wesson SD40VEs. Those sonofabitches come up non-stop. Really any shitty pistols. Rarely was anything cool used. Got a Sig P226, several Glocks, and a Styer. Most everything else memorable was whatever is stolen and sub $300

>>30350542
Thanks always wondered

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Standard load here

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>>30350634
noice.

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I'm considering putting together an urban loadout with a Coyote Tan Mayflower APC, an 870 (as picured,) a Glock 19, and a tomahawk. I don't see many shotguns used as primaries around these parts. Why?

>>30351122
Because shotguns don't have the range or capacity that a rifle does.

>inb4 slugs

Is Condor shit any good?

Thinking of picking up one of their chest rigs.

>>30351191
no, it's not good. you can buy better things for cheaper.

>>30351122
Bulky ammo
>>30351191
Its as budget as you can get. It will fall apart under hard use. If youre on a budget for a chest rig check out the south african pattern 83 rig (pictured >>30350634) or something like a SOE micro rig. If you really must have the condor rig you should find a friend or family member who can sew and have them double up on key points

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muh gurr

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>>30350634
i like your taste

>>30349622
-5000/10

anybody here own/know what kind of gas mask worth owning?

>>30351212
Thanks for saving me money.

>>30351636
No problem friendo. What did you decide on?
>>30351508
Gas masks are more of a toy than anything but if you want a good mask check the following points:
>side mounted filter so you can shoulder rifle on other side
>seals arent cracked and fit face tightly (look up banana oil test)
>Takes 40mm nato filters without adapter
>Is new in packaging or close to

>>30351699
Hey mane I'd rather have and not need it, etc.

Thanks for the pointers though, I;ll check that out. How much would you say I should expect to spend on a worthwhile one?

>>30348956
>15 mags

Holy shit seriously? I'm getting a kit together and was going to carry like 6.

How many would you guys recommend carrying on a battle belt? I was thinking one pistol mag and 3 rifles, with 3 rifles on the back of my pack. Is 6+1 mags enough for an AK?

>>30351699
I am still looking...old to guns but new to chest rigs and vests.

Looking at good gear built to last, LBT and such. It may be expensive but I am a firm believer in buy once, cry once.

Thanks again.

>>30351920
Consider that if you actually need your weapon, you will not have access to fire support, and depending on situation may not have access to resupply either.

Meaning what ammo you have on you is all you have until you successfully break contact, kill all the enemy, or get killed.

What be a good minimalist molle plate carrier for cityfolk, like bloomberg cityfolk. Looking at under 300 price range

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>All these beautiful Pattern 83 rigs
>tfw thanks to international shipping costs to Canada and the exchange rate I've never managed to find one for under $80
Fuck, I want what is basically a well over $100 rig for $50.

>>30351191
I have a condor chest rig that is fine, but it also doesn't ever leave my closet so idk how it holds up after use.

>>30351313
MaxPayne/10

>>30352056
im not bald and have a beard though

>>30352065
Then you should probably shave your head.

>>30351987
You might want to try checking out a Crye JPC. It's quite minimalist and it includes 3 integral mag pouches on the front flap. It's also scalable if you decide that you require side protection later on. Battle proven with SOF too.

>>30352110
Not that anon, but I'm thinking about getting one of these. My condor shit probably won't hold up in a SHTF scenario.

>>30352084
no way man, thats the only think keeping me from looking like a goblin/pedo. im already that neighbor who packs loads of guns and ammo into his truck haha

>>30352042
>>I have a condor chest rig that is fine
>Admits to never actually using it
Nigga, everything is fine when it sits in a closet.

>>30352225
It holds my plates and ammo, but I haven't taken it anywhere so I don't know. I'm thinking about getting a crye JPC

>>30352290
It'll holds them when it's doing nothing, hell, it might actually hold them if you actually do something with it.
You've never tested it though, so saying "it's fine" really doesn't prove anything.

>>30349863
Not those.

>>30349584
Is that an operating skirt?

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>>30351964
On point. But there's a big difference between tossing a mag in your back pocket for a home invasion situation, and fighting off a cartel hit squad. But I know what you're saying and I agree...

>>30351920
Dispersing my mags across the 'layers' of my kit works well for me. 6+1 for an AK seems like a comfortable start. But you're working with just a battle belt and an assault pack? I'd hope that a) the pack would accommodate more like 5-10 mags, and b) you'd have a chest rig that would offer another 3-4 mags on deck for the AK

With that squared away, I personally would carry 2 AK + 2 pistol mags on the belt. More interested in hearing what works best for you though

>>30351122
I'd be willing to bet that a mare's leg or masterkey is the most functional application for a shotgun. Still, I say don't let your dreams be dreams

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I never see any SOE micro rigs in these threads.

Interesting

>>30352493
shits expensive and dudes a total douche.

>>30352110
City anon here, JPC was one of my option after finding out how bad Beez PCs were. Will def look into it

Also looking into packs for a BoB as well as EDC. Looked at the 5.11 Rush 24 Double Tap, but idk if the molle will attract too much attention

>>30349850
>no pants
>those boots
I like your style

>>30349850
what rig is that? I want an AK compatible one

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I'm gonna take some good pictures at the /k/ meet this weekend.

>>30352493
It looks like a great, lightweight rig but holy fuck there is no way that thing is $110.

>>30352493
Those rigs look fucking terrible.

>>30352833
>>30352833
what kinda radio anon?

>>30352561
Also notice his Benghazi Bucket

>>30352621

Yeah, external MOLLE is going to attract attention, kind of gives you the "mall ninja/Division Agent" look. I really think the best way is to get a bag that has options for internal modularity instead. Vertx has some really nice low profile bags that give you this option. You might want to give them a look. http://vertx.com/Search?category=BAGS%20AND%20PACKS

The Ready pack looks pretty nice

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>>30352876
baofeng UV-5R with a stupidly long antennae and an extended battery pack.

>>30352482
You want your mags placed and oriented on your rig so they're on the side of your reload hand oriented so that when you pull them you can go straight into reload without fumbling around.
You can stack several mag pouches on top of each other, general rule of thumb is that you don't want more than 240 rounds of 5.56NATO or 160 rounds of 7.62NATO on you plus 2 mags of side arm on your rig at any given moment.
If you need more than that you can put them in a day pack, but honestly if it takes more than that you're likely dead without some support anyhow.
That's also where subtlety comes in, but that's another thing to go on a tangent for.
Aside from ammo, rig up some sort of hydration, small camelbak type of thing and a small first aid kit that contains a pouch of antibiotics and non-blood thinning NSAID, plus a tourniquet, hypoallergenic quick-clot, and a roll of packing, and a compression bandage like the Israeli dressing.
Also some trauma shears. That is for your use only, on you. Obviously the likelihood of needing it is slim to none unless you're in a Bosnia level SHTF situation or the Stan or sandbox.

>>30352893
Bicycle helmet with modded 1913 rails?

>>30352901
This, in a SHTF situation unless you're in an actual team, you'll want low profile, defended but not worth much target appearance so you're not worth enough to battle it out with for your shit, yet you're not weak as fuck and able to be steam rolled.
Tacticooled up is big target.
A long gun with a side arm and plain clothes is much better.
Best is to wear a low profile plate carrier underneath a top and put one layer of mags.
Do a concealed sidearm with spare mag in the holster.
Don't look like you've got a fuck ton of ammo and firearms.
Don't blind the fuck out of your weapon either.
Let it look beat up and old but functional.
Decent optics are no issue but if it looks all shiny and crazy, it may make you a target to try and get your equipment

>>30352989
*bling

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>>30352918
Muh nigga

>>30353070
>UCP-D
I'm so fucking angry right now

>>30352989
>Not having a team
What are you doing nigger?

>>30349585
What's the ALS thing on Safariland holsters like? Is it annoying? I need a holster for my Glock 20 and I really like the way the Safariland 6377 looks and how much it costs. Also, should I get a paddle holster? How much difference is there between a belt and a paddle holster? Keep in mind that this is just for innawoods carry.

>>30353141
Have a group of like 6-8 dudes
Hey everyone look at us, we've got a great big target on our heads.

Seriously I hope I can find it again and post it, there's some anon who lived through bosnia-Herzegovina and gives legit as duck pro-tips for surviving a real SHTF situation.

>>30353167
https://murdercube.com/files/Infographics/OneYearinBosnia.jpg

As thanks, can you recommend a .45 for me to open carry?

>>30353167
I know what you're talking about. I listened to the whole thing. Shady dude, probably killed people for their shoes like a nigger.

>Hey look at us
Naw, dude. Naw

>>30352939
No, it's a Team Wendy helmet.

>>30353167
>>30353200
Sauce: http://shtfschool.com/community/selco-one-year-in-hell/

>>30353070
what's that patch on the right shoulder?, also digging the inquisitor patch

>>30353070
>Bandit scum
>not Monolith
It's like you're not even trying rn

>doing squats so I can have operator legs

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>>30352918
How much better is that antennae?

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>>30351122

Shotguns have some marked drawbacks and require a fair amount of practice to run effectively. They are potent weapons if you put in the effort though. One of my loadouts is a Shellback Banshee, Mossberg 500, Glock 19 and a Sog Fasthawk.

>>30353382
the one on the right shoulder is the seal team 9 patch from the anime jormungand and the one thats on camera right is he bandit patch from stalker

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>>30353460
i have no idea. i pick up some stuff clearer but i don't really use my radio much. I will take both of my antennas to the /k/ meet this weekend and find out.

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>>30348956
so my chest rig took a shit. that's what I get for trusting a guy who claims he used condor through Afghanistan for 2 tours. anyways now that I can confirm condor is shit I need a new chest rig. can anyone recommend me a bomb proof chest rig that looks like pic related with a place to put a bladder on the back with decent padding? I would be eternally great full

>>30353464
thanks homie

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>>30353583
no problem.

>>30353558
Anyone? i've been looking around and skd seems like it would be a good company the only problem is I have splav pouches that I would like to reuse since I've trained with them with my previous chest rig

>>30353660
Tactical Tailor

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>>30353724
it seems good but no molle I need molle to attach the pouches sorry if I didn't clarify. do they have any with molle?

>>30353379
Awesome read.

>>30351299
is that a smersh?

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>>30353558
so I'am down to 3 that I could find but would really like suggestions basically would like something like the first spear but with a solid front would be amazing but can't really find anything please.

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>>30349629
Another guard was killed the other day so its high profile kit for the next few weeks

>>30354081
what security work do you do?

>>30354104
contract for a firm in CO, mostly clients in the cannabis industry currently. Going to be quitting by the end of the month though to start a LE academy in Aug. The guy wasn't from my firm btw but it sucks non the less.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/06/19/travis-mason-aurora-dispensary-shooting/

>>30354081
haley heavy? why not the light?
Will 7.62x39 work with the light and plastic inlays?

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>>30354129
I also have a light but usually keep my .556 load out in it. Yep the inlays work great in it, I only wish they wear slightly taller so thy would fit snugly under the molle loops inside the mag slots.

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Anyone have experience with these? Looking to update some older gear with buckles and these seem like a good no sew alternative. Basically just want to know how they hold up. They won't be load bearing, just used to keep pouches closed and such.

http://milspecmonkey.com/store/hardware-diy/137-itw-surfacemount-1inch.html#/unit_pack-50unit/color-black

>>30353153

It's awesome once you're used to it. Awesome retention and with practice, I'm as quick with it as I am a holster with no retention. I prefer the paddle version cause I have less problems when it's time to take a shit. Other than that, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

>>30351920
15 mags is a lot unless you're expecting to get into an extended firefight, my issued gear will hold 12. 6 is fine for fucking around in the woods.

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Well
Time to wait for July 4th sales for the rest of the stuff.
I hope some IV plates go on sale.

>>30351920
I do 15 because the battlejacket has 4 double pouches, and two grenade pouches that fit one 10 round mag each, and then you can fit two mags in each of the smoke grenade pouches, plus the one in my Sig.

>>30348956
What's the point on wearing gay ass faggots pants?
Is this a new trend on /k/ or what?

>>30354321
Some of us live in areas that are fucking hot and humid you turbonigger.

>>30352833
trim that beard man, theres a fine line between "The operator" and "the dirty goatfucker"

>>30354162

so do the 7.62x39 mags sit snug and tight with the inlays in the heavy? if yes i would think that the heavy is a better option than the light....

>>30349622
I don't know what state you're in, but you shouldn't be able to buy a handgun when you're 14.

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>>30354321
>he doesn't know about Rhodesian operating

>>30354334
how about you suck my dick?

>>30354335
They hold the mags themselves snug just fine, you can turn the dc3r upside down and shake the shit out of it and it would be fine. But the inserts themselves sometimes dont catch with the little top tabs and keep the inserts snug inside the rig. Its tough to explain without pictures, when Im home Ill take a few and explain better. And yes, I do think the dc3rH is a better choice between the two for that reason and I like the resized admin pouches on the front

>>30354340
Kek, I bet he doesn't do leg day

>>30354340
>These chicken legs tho

You do not operate with open arms or open legs. That's the fucking thing you learn during basic training in the army.

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>>30353133
Uh, that isn't UCP-D.

>>30354419
what is the purpose given?

>>30354446
>what is the purpose given?
Because the military uniform is the first protection of your skin.
It protects your skin from being burned (most of true military protection have some kind of fire protection).
It can protect your skin from certain low velocity projectiles like gravel, pieces of glass or wood.
It protects your skin from environmental dangers like thorny plants, little shits on the ground, if glass or a window is/must be broken, etc. And so it protects you from avoidable injuries and infections. It is also a protection against parasites and animals.
Some military uniform have IR protection too that makes you harder to be seen with night vision by the enemy.

Yes it is hot and annoying especially if your wearing a plate carrier, helmet and complet combat equipment and building breaking in equipment and it is a 35°C sunny day. But it is necessary. That's especially for you >>30354331.

That's at least what a good instructed soldier should know.

>>30354512
This is true. Though I don't typically mention anything about it, I always scratch my head when I see someone "operating" in shorts. And it's 100 degrees where I live.

>>30354512
You know its a meme meant to be subtly humorous right?

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>>30352932
it sounds like...you want to circlejerk over mag/ammo counts as much as I do. I think your 2/3 ratio for 7.62 compared to 5.56 is spot on - I figured the extra 5.56 rounds is to compensate for the double taps you'll be using to put guys down with M193, whereas 7.62 delivers far more 1-hit stops.

My rule of thumb is:
Have 6-8 primary & 2-4 secondary mags on deck (belt or rig)
And just carry as much ammo/mags as possible in your pack. This is, of course, aside from all the other important shit you should have in your pack (FAK, food/water/filter/tablets, emergency blanket/poncho, toilet paper)

>>30352989
Are you the same person? You should post more

>>30353167
>>30353281
Disclaimer: between the two popular SHTF accounts that circulate (one from Brazil -Ferfal?, and one from Bosnia) I've heard that both could have been fabricated. I'd still recommend reading them, just not making them your bible or anything...

While I don't think there's an established 'optimal' team size (I would argue 4 men), I do believe it's a matter of quality over quantity. I'd rather have a wingman I trust with my life than a group of guys I met on teamspeak

>>30353444
witness
keep it up

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>>30354081

Based anon, i'm considering one for my yugo UF as well. Do the magazine retention loops fit over normal AK mags on the light version?

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My regular setup is fairly light. I have no armor so it's just the chest rig.

>>30354977
I've actually never tried either with the retention loops since I got the inserts at the same time

>>30354419
>i know better than RLI operators

>>30355078
Hi Bilbo Baggins.

>>30355959
Fuck you, I'm 5'7 which is average height in North America.

>>30353379
Thank you for that.

>>30354427
Okay I'll let the US army know they're wrong in identifying their old camouflage

>>30356118
>US avg height is 5'9"
>Canada avg height is 5'9"
>Mexico avg height is 5'7"
You have to go back Juan.

>>30355959
Actually I'm 5'9. I just look small because of the perspective. I'm also not >>30356118. Dunno who that guy is. Also call me short all you want. I don't care.

>>30354862
Yes those three first (you)s you made for me are me. I do post a decent amount.
The 2/3 ratio is based on mag capacity and weight.
The 7.62 weighs more and typically run in 20rd. Mags.
Same mag counts for both 5.56NATO and 7.62NATO are very close in weight, space they take up, and does account for the extra shots.
I'm taking it from when I was in the army and the basic combat load is 6-7 mags on your kit and one in your weapon.
And I definitely agree on team size.
In a legitimate SHTF situation I would want 1-3 other well trained men with me, preferably who I've trained with and a in-situ base of operations for our families to be at that is low key and easily protected with most of the people who don't have good training or military experience staying back there.
I'd definitely be more comfortable with 1 other well trained man than 3 men who shoot rarely and think they're hot shit.
Low profile in a situation like that and being able to keep stealthy is more important than having a large group.
Also, having good training can make you as effective as 10 men in a firefight.

>>30356229
Sorry Anon, I just wanted (You)'s. Nice gear

>>30353200
You can never go wrong with a 1911. They're reliable as fuck. Other than that it comes down to comfort and your own preferences. Go to a range that you can rent guns at to shoot and try out a bunch of different .45 pistols.
I personally prefer a Sig 226 and 1911 but there are a lot more options out there for full size pistols.
And the Springfield XDS for concealed carry.
My biggest thing is trigger squeeze and break weight.

>>30353215
Yeah I'm sure he did. When I was growing up there was a Bosnian and a serbian family at my school and their fathers emulated this confident and scary presence. Some people you can almost feel it in the air around them.

>>30353280
Looks comfy. Is it for impact or just looks?

>>30354977
what rig is that?

>>30353460
>>30353473
Is it a BNC connector for the antenna? If so I can teach yall how to make a mantenna for your kit. Just make sure if you plan on using it constantly that you've already got all the sons you want. Long term RF exposure will leave you only having daughters for some weird reason.

What sort of gear should I get as a beginner?

I have my old navy camouflage, but it's fucking blue.

I also have a front and back ar500 plates.

Should I buy a camel back? rucksack? replace my retarded blue camouflage? What about a trama kit? Where can I buy all these things?

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>>30353558
I would honestly suggest one of the plain Jane plate carriers without plates in it for LBV or to use the LBV that the army uses. You flip the buckle side to the front so the back side of the belt is solid and just unzip the front of the LBV for quick donning and removal. Just get one that isn't UCP

>>30356229
You're 5'9"? Are you sure bro? I'm not trying to be a dick, but in your pictures you look shorter.

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>>30353558
>>30356352
You can see here the buckle on the back I'm talking about. You can flip it so the molle insert gets threaded inside the mesh in the backside of the front panels. Then the back is a solid piece and you only have to unzip the front

>>30356352
I'am more of a chest rig kind of guy easy on off at a moments notice and usually lighter than a lbv more or less.

>>30356365
huh weird I never thought about it like that

>>30356339
Bumping for this, this is /k/'s opportunity

>>30356339
Please Clap.

>>30354081
That's pretty sick.
And that ducks about the security guard.

>>30356339
Get quality plate carrier, $200ish range. Get better plates, I prefer level 4. Medical supplies and training for it, ask around town, some local hospitals/ clinics will offer classes. Hydration source, canteen, bladder, etc. Get a backpack unless you want to carry everything by hand. Yes replace the blue camouflage unless your going to be operating under water. Get a long gun and side arm, plenty of magazines and ammo for both if you haven't already. Gear you can buy online, from Amazon, surplus stores, etc. Find and ammo online or in your local gun store.

>>30354519
>>30354512
That's all true to a point but it depends on what exactly you're doing. It's a tradeoff between water you have access to to stay hydrated and first layer skin protection.

>>30356477
Okay, going to pick up some decent camo. I have a cheap plate carrier already, so I'll start with the medical and camo, and then go from there.

>>30356189
Kek speaks!

>>30349584
Hey what kind of water carrier is that? Brand and capacity if you don't mind?

>>30356352
>Just get one that isn't UCP

The desert pattern ones are going for firesale prices now. That plus a can of OD Krylon would not be a bad setup.

>>30352455
I think it is a kilt.

>>30356556
A bold oper8ing statement. Much wow.
>>30356545
That's not a bad idea. And you can do all kinds of camo with grass as your stencil

>>30356537
It's Source, it's 20L if I remember correctly.

>>30356608
The wide pieces of painter's tape can also make for a great stencil for tigerstripe if you rip around the edges to make them jagged.

>>30356365
>>30356352
You can also pull that belt out entirely and use just it as a battle belt for lightly loaded gear.

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>>30354081
Now you're making me want an underfolder, why you do this to me?

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>>30353558
>>30354056
I think I found what I'am looking for would just like to confirm if 762 tactical is a good company before buying

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>>30356248
>you wont have an shtf team in the 2020 cuckmany civil war

>>30354321
Not as new as you my friend.

>>30354977
What rig?

>>30356634
Yuss and flare out at the tail end of your spray and close to the color boundaries to fade into the next color to help break up boundaries and lines so it blends. Helps a lot for the camo

>>30356667
True dat. Though I've never done that. I've always used chest rigs and plate carriers

>>30356893
Well if there are any /k/ommandos in central Ohio I'll gladly meet up and train together. I need to build an AR10 or buy one first though.

>>30357409

When I was into airshit I did a tigerstripe paintjob on a VN style M16 this way.

>black base layer on furniture
>mask with tape
>OD green krylon

It ended up looking awesome. Then we had a break-in and it got stolen.

I was mad but kek'd pretty hard when I realized that they'd taken that and left a real 10/22 that was right next to it.

>>30356248
Curious how much training you think should be done with a pistol compared to a rifle. I'm inclined to believe you'd actually be deploying handguns more often than a long arm if shtf. Not to mention it's what most of us carry 24/7 (which is also to say - when we lack access to our ARs, 12 gauges, etc)

Also, have you thought about how to disperse gear, supplies, and personnel over vehicles? Do you take as many trucks as possible, or pile 3-4 guys in just one or two?

Personally, these are the kinds of rabbit holes I wanna see /gq/ go down...

>>30356477
Nice. Succinct. Dubs.

>>30356498
Medical is always a good place to start. But ask yourself if camo is such a high priority. Is your area of operation sparsely inhabited woodland or desert? If not, maybe you want to spend money on greyman approved plainclothes instead.
Buy ammo/mags at your own pace, but enough to both shoot and stockpile. A 20-30 liter daypack will probably serve you best; make sure it accepts a hydration element. Yes, camelbaks/bladders are pretty amazing...

>>30357433
Also if anyone has a rifle safe for stupid cheap that will help too. Long story for another time

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>>30349622
good job fellow zombieschreck

>>30357456
And if your bladder us inside your day pack it helps keep it cooler longer so you're not drinking hot bath water
>>30357449
That's annoying but ironic. At least he didn't get both.
>>30357456
My recommendation is as often as you can afford to squeeze it in with time and money. Obviously if you have a family your priorities won't be as flexible as a single anon.
I would like to see every firearm owner training at least 2 days a month on their primary firearms one long arm and one sidearm.
My preference and plan is to drag my wife with me once a week to train for at least an hour each on a primary and sidearm.
Train for transitions and draw.
Biggest thing people duck up on is how to draw and bring your arm immediately into action with sight picture. Start slow, get that muscle memory and even without loading your weapon train at home with a cleared sidearm from the holster you will have it in. Even if it's just 10 or 20 minutes a day, train on draw technique, then draw to sight picture, then include safety throw if you have one then include all of it together with trigger squeeze.
Once you get to the point where you can do it in your sleep start speeding things up. It takes time and repetition but it fucking works, and it will save your life.

Also first round with a sidearm you are more accurate one handed.
Follow up shots you MUST use both hands.

Lastly train reload technique.

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>>30356359
Once again it's the perspective. Here's one with less fucked up perspective.

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>>30349850
>nice guns and gear
>PC is next
>non kryptec bag
giving you a thumb up m8

>>30357561
Taller than me bro
>tfw 1/2" shy of being able to call myself 69 inches

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anyone know what the Gryffon Tactical USMC Low Profile Operator Quad Magazine Rig is a knockoff of? the name of the legit gear that inspired it.

>>30357456
I'm digging the advanced gear , I don't wanna say logistics but I can't think of a better word, but I do like the in depth discussion of not just what to buy, but how to use, where to use, when to use, etc. Such as the trucks and squad level tactics

>>30357548
I like you, you should post more often

>>30357688
Thanks anon. I-I l-like you t-too
Lol

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here's my kit xD

>>30352989
>you'll want low profile
>A long gun
not really low profile m8. when there's need for a long gun you go full kit.

>>30354977
I too would like to know what rig this is

>>30357561
> /fit/ vector chart

>>30352621
http://milspecmonkey.com/store/packs-bags/341-msm-adapt-pack.html

In Urban, pretty low profile for the most part compared to all black for this pack.

>>30349585
Do you keep the long gun in a rack in the trunk or does it get to ride up front with you? I always see video of guys doing vehicle drills with the long gun starting by their leg but how often is that actually done?

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>People posting plate carriers loaded with plates
>Light edition
>ISHYDIGDOGGITY

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>>30357548
>Also first round with a sidearm you are more accurate one handed.

What the fuck? I dunno what your background is but that's not a common technique in either SOF or the civilian competition world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3y3kQgWtjc

>>30358303
He's obviously a cowboy

>>30348956
I love my p83 battle jacket. I can easily fit enough shit for a two day hike in it with ammo. It's the shit.

>>30358078
To be fair that was when I was not allowed to work out because of some medical thing I had going on. That pic is a few months old at the point. I'm back in my routine now and am slowly making progress to fix that shit show.

>>30358461
Not him but the /fit/ vector chart is a joke from when they tried to estimate a guys height by using mathematical vectors based on the height of the door knob in shot etc... Can't remember who it was now for the life of me. Tiny?

>>30357906
What brand/model plate carrier is that?
Also has anyone looked into making their own plates?

>>30357993
Clearly missing the entire point.
Im not explaining it again anon. Go back and re-read the long as posts I've made and that story from the bosnia-Herzegovina survivor

>>30358303
I'm not talking competition and I'm not saying ONLY USE ONE HAND FOR THE FIRST SHOT GUYS
It's not common practice, it's not advised, it is however the truth and when you've got a chambered round and cocked hanmer/striker and only need a light short pull to fire, worrying about the second hand isn't needed.
My background is military, and some of the competitions I've done mandated that due to lack of prep time prior to using sidearm.
There's a lot more to it that takes up a lot of time and space to explain. I'll try to find a link to drop for you so I don't take up several pages explaining it.
I don't worry about LEO stuff with shooting because it's not required for them to go to the range more than once a year unless they're SWAT. The ones who shoot a lot on their own are probably worth listening to and SWAT but just assuming all police and soldiers are super knowledgeable isn't the best idea.
I was a commo guy in SOF for six years.

>>30356435
Its nice to have operators choice for firearms and equipment but I'm one of maybe 10 guys that actually gets gets serious about my duty gear.

>>30358314
I'm John god damned Wayne nigga

>>30358992
Hey gotta stay frosty, if they don't take it seriously it's not your fault. They'll learn when they actually end up needing it

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>>30358690
Think this its the original, but they do it all the time
>>30358461
>16" barrel
Better come clean

>>30354977
It looks like one of those knockoff rigs they would sell at the bazarrs on KAF or BAF, they literally had tables full of them along with every other cheap trinket you will find at a stateside gun show.

>>30358977
>It's not common practice, it's not advised
>It is more accurate

Think this through. If it was actually more accurate, it would be more common. More likely you just suck with handguns.

>I was commo guy in SOF for six years

What did he mean by this?

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>>30359016
Exactly, I've been getting texts and call from a lot of guys at the firm the last few days asking my advise on equipment. Its literally a requirement to be hired at the firm to have at least 12 months overseas or 7+ years LEO but a vast majority of the guys just have no interest in either firearms or equipment. Most guys I work with will have an xd or some 1911 variation in an uncle mikes holster with no spare mag or even a flashlight at night. I always speak up though and my site manager doesn't put me with people I tell him I don't fell safe with. That and they have changed their hiring standards lately to be a lot stricter.

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>>30358037
>>30357360
>>30356303

I suppose I should specify that it's not a picture of me if it weren't obvious, so no idea.

I fucking love that picture though, the civilian clothes, solid colors, ass old tactical gear, M70AB2, and contractor ID (implying this guy's actually in some shit) make it a+++.

This guy was living the gear queer dream at some point.

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>>30359196

Here's his average /k/ gearqueer impression.

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Thinking about getting some armor with money I make this summer, since Clinton might try to outlaw it if she gets elected.

What should I be looking at? The only gear I own is one of those SADF chest rigs, and a bunch of AR mags.

Should I go for slick or MOLLE in a carrier? I'd kind of like something I could wear under a jacket OR over cammies, if such a thing exists. Not really sure if I want side plates or not.

Do I want magazine pouches on the carrier or nah? It would be quicker than throwing on the carrier and my chest rig over it, but I wonder if that would be too much bulk?

What kind of plates should I get? Is it true ceramic plates can shatter if you fall on them with enough force? I'm not too concerned about weight, but maybe I should be.

What kind of money should I expect to spend on armor? What budget should I set for myself?

>>30356612
Thanks man I saw it and thought 10qt must have.

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Too lazy to take it apart but I'd say my current duty belt setup is pretty light.
>safariland g22/23 hoslter
>streamlight protac 2L
>bianchi leather paddle cuff/mag
>Night Threat Concealment ak mag
>gcode belt/bianchi inner belt
Pants are truspec and this specific pair has been beat to shit but has held up on daily duty use for about a year now.

>>30358690
>>30359062
Oh. Top kek that's pretty funny. Are they really dumb enough to not realize cameras fuck with perspective?

>>30359293
>What should I be looking at?
AWS, Beez, Crya, Shellback, First spear, pig, Tyr, Tag, LBT, etc
>Should I go for slick or MOLLE in a carrier?
Depends, for concealment or for multiple calibers being switched out, slick and rig, for one gun and putting it over everything, MOLLE
>Not really sure if I want side plates or not.
Get soft armor if you can, side plates suck to use, but that's my opinion
>Do I want magazine pouches on the carrier or nah?
Refer to argument above
>What kind of plates should I get?
Level IV ESAPI or similar and no they will not
>What kind of money should I expect to spend on armor?
Depends on your size, can be anywhere between $200 and $400 for a set of level IV ceramics

>>30359062
Jesus that's autistic as fuck, even if he was just bored.
>>30359099
Okay anon. Failure to understand that positive control of the firearm is preferred in those professions because the majority of people are idiots does not make it wrong.
>>30359166
If I hadn't gotten married I'd have tried to get in with academi, Constellis, MVM, Northrop, or Raytheon.
Sadly it was not the case and it was time to go back to being a normie.

>>30358881
has that strap shape the Cyre JPC has.

>>30359293
Ceramic plates are pretty robust. If it's in your carrier they'll be fine for the most part, it's dropping them on their edges that makes it sketchy.
Most of the plates these days are multi strike capable.
I'd get a level III+ if you're going low profile but want good protection and get a Kevlar insert to put behind it, or if you don't mind bulk get some level IV plates.

>>30359433
Oh good, I'm just above auschwitz tier so I suppose I'll save money. thanks anon.

>>30358992
hey, it's like tools to a job. If you bring shitty tools, expect to encounter shitty problems.

>>30359496
https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/carriers/tpg-armour-wear-package/
This is a fantastic deal for those on a budget

>>30359293
Armor with Kevlar and plates typically will run you about $1k and you'll likely need to get your CCW/CFP first

>>30359454
Oh yeah, BTW what's the big difference between the JPC and JPC II aside from $100 premium

>>30359527
He doesn't need level IV and soft armor, especially if he's by himself, that weighs to much if you also have a ruck

>>30356760
I have a 4 mag rig from them, not insane use but a couple of rifle classes and R range days. I wish it had more room to adjust down as I'm a skinny fuck and often just use it on top of a t-shirt but other then that I've been pretty happy with it.

>>30359447
You can easily find people who can draw and hit a target in 0.8s with both hands on the gun. I have a really hard time thinking of a situation where I want to hit fast but want one hand (barring retention shooting)

>>30359549
Quick release, zip on back panels.

>>30356302
It's a bump helmet that you can use to host NVGs

>>30359522
Holy fuck that's cheap

>>30359566
I mean if you're a pussy... it's only like 35-40lbs dude
Squat more

>>30352833
cool i'm glad you'll have something other to post then the same tired ass shit over and over.

>>30353463
m37 mock is neat-o

slam-fire master race

>>30356365
Did you jack that pic from a blog post?

>>30359584
Yep, and it isn't shit
>>30359594
35-40 lbs + 60-90 lbs for ruck
For a skellington that isn't going to work. Once he starts working out and gets some muscle on hi maybe, but for someone who's just getting into and it's for fucking around on the weekends, an armor carrier isn't the choice

>>30359584
>https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/carriers/tpg-armour-wear-package/
your regular basic IV ceramic plate is going to be about $150~.
A lot of people, when they first look up some ceramic plates, tend to stumble onto the lightweight or newer material plates, which runs north of $300+ per plate.

>>30359447
I still went that route I just don't see my wife much the first 3 years we were married
>>30359517
Exactly

>>30359577
Makes sense.
>>30359571
I can dig the quick release part, but zip on sounds stupid to me.
And I'll try to find something that explains the principle behind it. It's not like you try to one hand shoot only for the first round and be cool, it's a thing of saying don't worry about one hand if you're in a situation that bars you from using two hands as one hand for initial shot is typically more accurate.

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>>30356184
UCP-D looks like pic related on the right. It was a prototype pattern that never went into standard issue.

Regular UCP looks like pic related on the left and >>30353070

You are a fucking retarded faggot.

>>30350634
Where'd you get the flare?

>>30359654
Eat more beefcake.
This is why I never had issues being common and rucking.
200lbs ruck carrying PSC-5D and spare batteries and two antennas, kit, and water. Total load was 300lbs, 24 miles. Shirt sucked but I finished with my team.

>>30359638
Jacked it from Google image search cause I don't have my army kit stuff cause I had to turn it in when I got out

>>30359775
Took awhile but I figured it out and stopped attaching the D part. Can't remember what got the -D stuck in my head for UCP

>>30359738
The zip on panel options include an assault panel (NODs, bangers, bolt-cutters or hydro), a 24 hr pack, and a blank molle panel for customization. I haven't had a chance to use it but honestly there are almost no good solutions for quick attach back panels so zippers are as good as it gets right now. A similar but not compatible system is on the Velocity Systems Scarab.

>>30359784
Yes and that's fantastic, but I'm recommending something a current hungry skeleton can manage.

>>30358881
You relaize he's bating, right?

>>30359866
I'll have to look into that it sounds pretty interesting. I just personally hate zippers and prefer straight up molle and juSt different fixtures for the equipment.

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did some light-ish weight backpacking last weekend

>>30359956
Huh? I'm serious, it can't be that hard, you don't need a permit for plates, is it illegal or something? last I checked it's not...
I'm serious though, can't you just utilize the principle of making Kevlar body panels for a car and shit, vacuum bag with resin infusion, or carbon-Kevlar for the same thing, or layering the resin ate with raw weave to provide the balistic energy dispersal of hard plate and slow down pierce resistance of soft armor.

>>30359447
How is one hand on the weapon more positive control than two hands? You are nowhere near making any kind of coherent sense.

>>30353133
None of that is UCP-D, what the shit anon?

>>30360053
Holy shit it's not more positive control it's more accurate for first shot as it is following your natural spatial recognition and proprioception but after that first shot it isn't as accurate.
I'm not talking slow shots either, I'm talking quick draw point and shoot where you're looking because that first shot your hand will point the pistol where you are looking for that first shot.
After that first shot you will need two hands to be comparably accurate and maintain positive control of your weapon.

>>30360080
Look at the follow ups, someone already beat you to it.

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>>30360011
>xD
>fake msa sordins+ptt
>JPC straps attached too tight
>american flag


He clearly just got a random airsoft vest picture and you took it seriously, i doubt it even has real plates in it

What's a good baseball hat for someone with a big ass head?

>>30360181
Ojhh that's what you were talking about.
I was talking about the actual vest because it reminded me of the MARS CIRRUS which I enjoyed back in the day

>>30360158
Less stability and more offset = more accurate.

Okie dokey. 6 years SOF commo you said?

>>30360181
>>30360223
And about making your own plates.
I'd personally like to use 1/4" steel bent to the shape of the plate and test CF and Kevlar and Carbon-Kevlar to see what from is most bullet resistant and if the layered resinated and raw weave style would help with ballistics or not.
Hrmmm

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>>30360223
The vest is a JPC, idk about the plates, i don't really think you can make them homemade for a JPC .


Come to think of it, anon why the fuck you need a vest with plates in them

>>30360244
Holy shit, yes. Go to the range and try it yourself. Fuck dude.

>>30360259
Just to have it ready for the habbedig.
Better to have and not need than need and not have.

>>30360259
And because I'd like to see if I can make a comparably strong and puncture resistant plate that is lighter by incorporating CF layering

>>30360305
Better body armor than any scientist?

>>30360315
Lol probably not than a government funded 3M R&D lab, but I'd like to do it myself and have that fun experience as well as try to do something ingenuitive. I've only seen the ceramic plates that are resin impregnated kevlar. I haven't see any other forms of the plate armor these days since we stopped using steel plates in the 90s

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>>30351882
Not the anon you were responding to, but it depends on what you want to protect against. Tear gas? Nerve agents? Something biological? Are you just looking to filter or do you want fully contained oxygen supply (SCBA). Do you want built in radio and intercom support? Built in drinking hose to keep hydrated? Have you put a laser on your gun since getting a proper cheek weld will be a bitch while wearing a mask?

For tear gas, you can get a Czech or Russian surplus mask from Bud-K for $13 plus shipping, here's a link: www.budk.com/Gas-Masks-2982
Don't expect that cheap shit to work on anything more intense, and please replace the filter since it probably contains asbestos.

If you want protection from actual nerve agents or biological agents, expect to pay thousands for a proper SCBA setup from Scott Safety, 3M, etc. Even then, there are some nerve agents specifically designed to chemically penetrate the materials used in masks, and some work on skin contact as well; you might need a full moonsuit. The moonsuit will make it impossible to camouflage and cause you to overheat.

Ever wonder why militarys hate NBC threats?

>>30359683
Another reason on why these plates (or any other new plates that you come across) are cheap is that they most likely fall under NIJ .04 test specs instead of .06 test specs (the NIJ .04 armor test is much less strenuous than the .06 test). I just want to point this out.

>>30360685
Make sure you coat it with an anti-spalding layer of plastic. I forget which semi-famous youtuber put a 1/2" thick plate of AR500 steel on a dummy and shot it with various .50BMG, but the end results were:

1. .50BMG ain't penetrating something that heavy.
2. The resulting bullet fragments rebounded and tore out the dummy's head and neck.

Even after slamming into the plate and losing much of their kinetic energy to deformation, they were still deadly. The plastic anti-spalding layer is necessary to catch those fragments.

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>>30348956
>Light
>15 AR mags

I'm guessing you don't run plates?

>>30360950
Spalling*

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>>30360863
except the filters are poison.. Most are expired and unusable. Cancer. Anything manufactured prior to 1996 should be avoided like the plague.

>>30360259
>>30357906

That doesn't look to be a real Crye JPC. Crye's ranger green version has black Hypalon shoulder material instead of green.

>>30360975
>and please replace the filter since it probably contains asbestos.
Yeah, the filters are super dodgy.

>>30360970
whoops

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>>30360251
>>30358881

I hope you don't mean regular steel. You are going to need actual 500 Brinell hardness steel. Bullets will pass through regular A36 steel like it's butter. Shaping 500 Brinell steel is also difficult without specialized equipment . Too add to this, the plate will lose effectiveness due to stress if you happen to bend it wrong.

>>30360950
I'll have to look into that. Do you know what plastic they use in the new combat helmets? They're supposedly 100% plastic and catch the bullet instead of redirecting it or deflecting it.
Thathe would probably be legit to have as an outer layer, then the ceramic/soft hybrid

>>30361087
Makes sense. I wouldn't want strictly a steel plate, weight would be ridiculous.
Steel is likely out of the picture entirely.

>>30361087
Of course I would be okay with just segmented plates for steel, but yet again, weight. Also attachment methods would be another issue. Ceramic would be defacto winner there

>>30361120

The higher end helmets (Ops Core, Team Wendy, Mtek, Ceradyne, Crye, etc ) are made of molded Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene.

>>30360980
that's on the bottom retard


and we already deduced that it was airsoft anyway

>>30356556
It's a skirt, it has no sporran.

Anyone got any recs for belt pistol mag pouches?

>>30361377
TACOs or blue force

>>30361163
I'll have to test that material out to see what thickness disperses enough energy to allow for repeated strikes and enough energy to use the hybrid plate depending on how that material checks out. Of course this is going to likely be forever from now T_T

>>30361390
Was thinking blue force, thanks m8ey.

>>30361439
Yep

>>30361241
Even bolder statement

>>30349585
List of gear please?

>>30361527

- LBT 6094 Carrier w/ Level IV Ceramic Plates, TAG mag pouches, ESEE Izula knife, flex cuffs, and issued radio.
- Glock 21SF w/ Streamlight TLR-1 and Safariland ALS Holster
- BCM 14.5" AR
- Oakley SI Assault Gloves
- Tops Sky Marshal knife & sheath
- Surefire G2 light
- Lowa Zephyr GTX boots
- Estwing Tactical Tomahawk

>>30361871
It was in the inital post....

Do you guys think that it's practical to have a plate carrier like a Shellback and also wear an assault pack?

>>30362832
Do you want ballistic protection? Do you want to carry enough stuff to warrant an assault pack?

There ya go.

Can a dark wash or black denim jacket be operator?