Uncucking an Israeli Beretta 71 import from Century Arms

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>>30298793
First you have to disassemble the handgun. I covered up the barrel landslide so the Finish doesn't get marred.

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>>30298809
now one must identify where the fake can was pinned and welded, the Finish should look different where the pin is located and should be fairly easy to spot near the threads.

>paying anywhere near $250-$300 for that abomination

wew lad

>>30298793

What purpose did the fake can have to get around the import rules? Just made it longer and that was ok?

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>>30298828
Time to attack the weld with a file or in my case, a bench grinder.

>>30298849
ATF form 4590 gives one point For Each 1/4” Over 6” in Overall Length. Also one point per OZ with total Weapon Weight W/Magazine.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/atf-form-4590-factoring-criteria-weapons/download

Total needed is 75 points for a semi automatic handgun.

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>>30298828
slowly grinding away to screw, the hex head should be uncovered. Now one can carefully back the screw out.

Thank you so much for useful and informative thread, I've been dying inside with all the shit threads lately.

Have you shot it yet? I kinda want one

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>>30298905
the bench grinder helped heat up any Loctite holding the screw or fake can in place. This process should be done fairly quickly because of this.

>>30298913
Yes, I have eight. I plan on jewing some out on gunbroker in a few years when cost and demand goes back up.

They are amazingly reliable shooters and eat up even the worst quality 22lr.

>>30298937
Eight! Goodness, are you a FFL holder? Or just a little crazy haha.

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>>30298923
now that the screw is out you can clamp the slide in a vise to try and back the fake can out by hand.

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>>30298957

>>30298949
I removed a few fake cans for friends and that is what caught my attention to this great little shooter.

>>30298913
Agreed
These threads after the shooting are fucking terrible
Generals for fuck sake are the only haven right now, how did that happen

how do these things compare to a ruger mkIII?

are they plinker tier or can the compete against a Target?

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>>30298970
And there you have it! This handgun is an amazing suppressor host if you can deal with the non-kosher thread pitch of 1/2x20. I simply purchased an adapter that iconverters threaded for the cans I have.

Every single pistol i have converted so far has had good threads that are concentric to the bore and they are just as reliable with a can.

>>30298990
I decided to make this thread because of all the garbage I read this morning on /k/. just trying to do my part.

>>30299037
nicely done. i just circumcised mine a little while ago

Is the fake can just a solid tube of metal?

>>30299095
Yep. Weighs more than the gun itself.

Awesome thread, OP. Where's the source for these little guys? Sounds like a good deal.

How are the threads on the barrel once you remove the fack suppressor?

>>30299280
SOG

Cute little gun. How do they shoot?

>>30299330
Great shape, I slipped on this 1/2x20 to 1/2x28 adapter and went right to town with my can.

http://www.tacticalinc.com/12x20-female-to-12x28-male-thread-adapter-with-thread-protector-p-79.html

>>30299346
Somehow kicks less than my Ruger 22/45 bull barrel even though the beretta weighs much less.

The open top design allows you to see what is going on in the action and makes press checks easy.

I just wish It had a 10 round magazine instead of 8.

Apparently Israeli agents carried it on an empty chamber with the hammer back and safety off when carrying it concealed. The action is like glass yet groups are very tight because the barrel mounts right into dovetails on the frame.

Takedown is super easy with the beretta style takedown lever.

>really want one of these little guys
>won't turn 21 until December
>supply will have dried up by then
fug I'll have to settle for a Bobcat I guess.

Anyway, good thread OP.

>>30298937
Beretta's old small caliber pistols are pretty underrated.

>>30298793
Thank for this tutorial, OP. I have one the faux suppressor and was thinking on how to remove it.

>>30299444
Just go on Gun Broker, there are plenty there.

>>30299037
Another one here who appreciates the thread. As a retard who has a hard time putting new triggers on, I love seeing the work of people who are more competent. Hope some runs off on me.

>>30299444
>>30299445
>>30299507
Thanks guys. Ill be doing more threads here and there on some of my random projects.

I remember a few years ago I used to put up gunsmithing threads every week or so. Those were fun.

>>30299037
Thanks for the thread

>>30299114
Jesus, why didn't they just use a hollow tube?

>>30299528
Please do! It's a delight to see an old gun getting demolested.

>>30299037
This handgun has an AD datecode so it was made in 1978. Great condition for something that is nearly forty years old.

>>30298793
Great thread OP. Thanks a ton.

>>30299583
I have a feeling the cans were made/done on the cheap by Israeli Armorers on the behalf of Century arms to get them past Customs/ATF. The weight of the can also helped get to 75 points so they can import it.

>>30299341
>SOG
SOG has these overpriced, they are going for $250 everywhere else.

>>30299665
You need to count the shipping costs and 3-5% goy creditcard tax when buying off gunbroker sellers.
They are around 270-280 before transfer mostly everywhere.

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Great thread OP, I did the same with mine.

Most reliable .22 pistol I've ever had, even better than the Ruger MkII.

>>30299702
Nice. How did you back the screw out?

>>30298793
Dammit OP, there are two things I love, old pistols and anything Beretta. Now I'm pulling the credit card out and looking for one of these.

Also, thank you for the instructions because I might passed on buying one of these just because of the stupid fake can.

>>30299868
J&G has them for 250

http://www.jgsales.com/beretta-71-semi-auto-pistol,-22lr,-with-faux-suppressor,-8rd-mag,-vg-condition,-used.-p-70878.html

>>30298879
Cheers.

>>30299528

There's two kinds of thread, here, OP.

>Fuck, another one of these threads

And

>Fuck! Finally another one of these threads!

Yours is the latter.

>>30299891

My LGS has one for $299 that I could probably get a little cheaper, been thinking about it.

He said if I bought it he'd be willing to take the suppressor off for free since I'm a regular.

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>>30299986
Thank you for the kind words.

Finished another one just now.

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>>30300122
mfw not a C&R and not on california safe roster. cant get one here :(

>>30300223
That sucks man. more and more It seems like the roster was pseudo protectionist crap that manufacturers allowed to happen for profits.

Thanks op

>>30299702
MKII? I heard those were pretty reliable.

>>30298793
nice thread I have one too, they are much nicer without that fake can

Baby Berettas are adorable.

Did Beretta just not export the 71 to America? It seems like it would have been more popular.

>>30302464
Yeah, I love the Cheetah line, nicest little .32s and .380s made with a steel frame you'll ever see.

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>>30302711
The standard Beretta 71 doesn't meet the 75 points required for foreign import of a handgun under the gun control act of 1968.

Beretta slapped target sights and an extended barrel to import them for a few more years but the model was never truly popular in the states. It also helped that the Israelis were buying hundreds of thousands of them.

When the 92 came out they made a 22lr conversion kit for that frame which makes the right amount of points for import.

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I love my 71. Has anyone had any luck sourcing replacement recoil and magazine springs? I've been looking into adapting springs from other guns but haven't found anything that will work for sure.

>>30302945
There was a guy selling them on rimfirecentral but he has run out and is hording the rest for himself.

I suspect he was scalping/reselling the springs he bought from numrich.

>>30302859
Fuck, it's such a small and light little thing too, which is why I like it more than the conversion kits or the Neos, the 71 is something you could teach a kid to shoot with.

Did people make normal short barrels for when the long barreled ones were sold in the US?

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So while we're at it, how would the removal of this fake suppressor go? I have one and my Form 1 should be back by the end of next month. When I first got it, the manufacturer said the barrel is pinned on. The pin is visible from the outside and meets the threads like this. How do I get the pin out since it is not a screw? Do I just have to take a dremel and go to town on this thing?

>>30303435

Grind the weld off the side(s) of the pin and tap it out with a punch? It'll be easier if you don't care about the fake can.

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>>30303326
They came with the short barrel in the box back in the 70's.

They are extremely hard to find now and ones with both barrels like these are nearly 600-800 on gunbroker

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>>30303435

Typically the fake PBS style suppressors are pinned through the muzzle device detent hole rather than a drilled hole like on the Beretta 71.

Usually you can just fit a cutting wheel between the front sight block and the fake suppressor to cut that pin, then heat the base of the fake suppressor to melt the loctite they probably coated the threads with. The muzzle device detent hole is usually open on both ends with a roll pin securing the detent and spring. With a fake can on their they have covered the rear opening with a bead of silver solder or weld.

Dunno if this is the case if yours but that's how mine is.

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>>30303464
Pin is only in one side. Like this.

Don't care about the can at all. It's going to have a muzzle brake on, and eventually a real can

>>30303476
I'd be willing to pay that for one in decent condition to have it, after all, the Beretta 84FS can go for that and that's something that was imported fairly recently (and I'd honestly carry it)

allan's armory will occasionally have one that already has the fake can removed.

I want one myself, but my current situation does not allow for one.

>>30299682
>>30299665
what does SOG charge for shipping?

>>30303525
Post 68's and target models come with sensitive and bulky adjustible sights which I wouldn't want to carry. Also most 71's are pre 68 which means it has the crossbolt safety and pre revision parts.

>>30303555
God I wish Beretta would reinvent the Cheetah line and bring it back to the US.

Turn the 84FS into a locked-breech gun so that the slide is super easy to manipulate, make a modern variant of the 71

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>>30303593
I meant that I'd carry the 84, not the 71, I don't expect to be accosted by squirrels.

>>30303604
This. The 84 is too big of a handgun for it not to have some kind of a recoil reduction system. I would rather carry a compact polymer frame 9mm that has the same capacity at the same size and 3/4 the weight of the cheetah.

>>30303619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM4h4TsEDqE

>>30298793
Glad to see another freed Beretta 71.
>>30299421
>>30299330
FYI, Silencerco also sells .22 adapters. I have the P-22 (used on my PPK/S .22) and 1/2x20 adapters.

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>>30303518

Jesus. I apologize for the typos, I've been sick all day. Here's some of my Berettas to make up for it.

>>30303518
>>30303790
Did you get yours from CNC warrior?

>>30303808

No, mine was Ohio Rapid Fire...who I think are defunct now after the owner passed away in 2010.

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>>30303848
This is the side of the fake can. Note the pin hole. It does not have a pin hole on the other side.
fake can is pressed right up against the gas block so I can't tell of there's a pin in it

however...

>>30303848
>>30303883
this is a strange pin I've never known coming out the back of the detent. I am unfamiliar with how muzzle devices should mount to the M92 so I'm wondering if this one, held in by a roll pin, is the one holding the can on?

The suppressor has a really small amount of back and forth play if you screw on it

>>30303790
One of my "excellent" condition Beretta 71's came with a finish like yours, the slide has half original finish and then was dipped in a park tank.

Needless to say I sent it back to get another one with the original finish. Unacceptable.

>>30303883

Oh hell. Then yeah you have a pin going right through and butting up against the threads. Ohio Rapid Fire and some others tended to avoid doing it that way because it can easily jack up the threads since most customers were planning to SBR. You'll have to get some decent drill bits and very carefully drill that out. I'd probably cut away some of the fake suppressor to expose more of the pin as well.

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>>30303941
Forgot pic with my last post, but damn. That sucks a lot. I half intend to get my threads cut off and have the barrel threaded to 5/8 so I can use AR10 shit though so I guess if these ones are fucked I'll do that. Mystery pin in pic.

>>30303971
Your detent pin looks like it was either installed wrong or it got pushed out hard enough to bypass that small roll pin on the side. There should be a spring that goes with that detent too.

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>>30303910

I grabbed a picture of a typical Yugo gas block muzzle device detent from google images. This is how they typically work and applies to the Bulgarian and current Russian integrated gas blocks too.

There is a channel that has a detent pin that locks into a groove on your muzzle device. That pin is inserted from the back along with a spring and kept in place with the roll pin you can see in the picture.

>>30303941
This. I would try and go at it from the side.

Last option would be to cut it down to as small as you can get it and them make two cuts on each side just short of the threads. Then drive a wedge into the crack and break the chunk off the threads.

Just get a M&P Shield, why bother,

>jk OP
>great thread
>quality OC

>>30304012
So it should be in there further than it is? I just knocked the pin out and the detent won't go in either direction. Guessing the fake can is pressed up against it and pushing it out? I suppose I'll do an update thread on this whenever I get my Form 1 and have a go at the threads.

>>30303971

Yeah, that's the back of the muzzle device retaining pin seen in >>30304012

It's sticking out weird because it's fully compressed, your fake can has no notches for it to lock in to.

>>30303971
looks like whoever assembled the AK plopped the roll pin in behind the head and let it pop back out.

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great fucking thread boys

>>30303518
Nice krink.

>>30303790
Do you like your 380 beretta?