Thoughts? Havent seen anyone talking about this.

>>30295430
Look at this dead kid, this is your fault, dead kids...dead kids, deadkids Dead kids........dead.....kids

>>30295430
So it appears they want to ban sales of those placed on the terror watch list. Literally anyone for anything can be placed on there then denied a firearm sale.

It'll pass, and the government will have an easy way to ban anyone they don't like from buying guns. It's a gross violation of our rights but nobody will care.

America died a little just now.

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>>30295437

The liberal media machine is in overdrive
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-ar-15-inventor-speaks-out-n593356

"assault weapon ban" and no fly,no buy

>>30295430
fuckingnothing.jpg

It'll pass easily, nothing will happen, we'll get to keep our fully assaultmatic baby killers until the next one of these things.

>>30295430
they smell blood...worst of the opportunistic parasites.

>>30295469
huh, it'll pass
>Dems. wanting assault weapon ban
>we'll keep out assaultmatics

pick one

>>30295476
The one about muh terrorists will pass.

I haven't seen the salty sally one. I doubt it though because a lot of them have reason not to hurt the AR-15's sales.

I'm trying to keep myself out of the insane panic around this, but I do want to keep an eye on this, because it seems like the kind of shit that could easily be something very concerning, and not just for gun rights

>>30295469
nah this is particularly sinister. Reminds me of the Patriot Act when people just assumed it was fuckingnothing because 'durr I'm not a terrist'

15 fucking hours?! Pathetic rinos are pathetic
No1 cares, this is why I've lost nearly all respect for the majority of my fellow "Americans"

>>30295463
Reminds me when Kalashnikov said he felt guilt about the victims who were killed by his invention.

There is nothing wrong with keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

You idiots.

They are letting a vote because they figured out the dems dont have the numbers to pass anything.

Why filibuster if you dont have to? Republicans have a firm majority.

Worse than this complete fucking ignorance, take this /pol/ shit to /pol/.

>>30295430
100% cucked.

This is why the Republican Party is a fucking joke.

>>30295493
This

The gun control aspect of this is not what concerns me, because the other anon is probably right, it probably will be nothing, but it's laws like this and things like the patriot act that are making it easier and easier for the government to declare you a terrorist for vague reasons and then be able to strip your rights and throw you in the gulag, all perfectly within law

>>30295463
This is worse than new town. They're gonna get something to pass

>>30295493
This is not nearly as broad in scope as the "I AM THE LAW" Patriot Act. If anything it'll force the government to say who's on the list.

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Reminder

>just because the FBI is on your tail doesn't mean you lose your rights

You are all fucking stupid, who claim to love america but lack a basic fucking understanding of how our government works.

Its almost as disgusting as the antis.

Kill yourselves at once, or keep your ignorant fucking opinons to yourself.

If you cant do the above, then keep your asinine, ignorant, fucktarded opinons off of /k/.

There is a reason they agreed to a vote. Its not because it will pass.

>>30295530
they'll tell you when your background check is shot down, then when you appeal it or even ask for a reason they'll tell you to fuck off

It's over. Dems just passed a law that finds you guilty of 1st degree murder if you own a semi-auto rifle. Full scale executions start at noon today, no trials allowed.

There allowing the vote to go forward on the Democratic bills and the Republican bills. Cornyn's and Feinstein's negotiations broke down, and it looks like neither bill will get the votes to pass.

Meanwhile, Toomney is running around like a chicken with his head cut off, ranting how UBC's would have prevented the Orlando shooting.

Why doesn't the NRA just buy off the dems?

>>30295570
you think they havent tried before?

>>30295550
So if it passes, you will be the fool with egg on his face....

Also we will hold you personally responsible.

>>30295530
>If anything it'll force the government to say who's on the list
I'm more concerned about how they determine who goes on the list in the first place. if it's anything like their dubious No Fly shitshow, it's going to an unpleasant ride.

>you strike me as a domestic terrist. get on the list!
>did you look at me funny? RESPECT MY AUTHORATAH
>I don't like how you think, on the list you go
>whoa whoa whoa you have a problem with two party government? terrist right here folks
>oh your name just matches someone else's? tough shit, good luck getting through the red tape to have the confusion cleared

>>30295583
exactly
guy acts as if theres 100% chance of this not passing.

Why would you want guns in the hands of suspected terrorists?

>>30295550
fuck off shit for brains, the concern is that it's even being put to a vote in the first place

>>30295610
>I didnt read the thread
Or
>english isnt my first language
Or
>Bait
Or
>dumb joke

>>30295570
Bloomberg buys off weeping mothers and politicians.

>>30295610
>why are you so concerned about the Patriot Act? it would only affect """""suspected terrorists"""""

>>30295626
You guys have issues. You can't be 'muh terrorists' and 'muh freedoms' at the same time.

.

I need to defend myself against lunatics with guns. Therefore I need more guns.

Sensible policy bro.

>>30295610
Because "suspected terrorists" can mean "guy who let his dog shit on some NSA agent's yard" if they want it to. Literally anyone can be added to that list for any reason.

>Posting on 4chan
>Thinking you're not already on the list

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>>30295610
the american justice system is based on the premise that a person is innocent until proven guilty. to deprive a person of their liberties without their day in court violates the 14th amendment.

>>30295430

Liberals in 2008:

>The No-Fly List is unconstitutional because it circumvents Due Process! Being able to board a plane is a right!

Liberals in 2016:

>Taking away someone's right to Due Process because they're on the no-fly list is just common sense! I mean it's 2016 COME ON!!

Why are they so oblivious?

>>30295643
>>30295645

OK then, so when a muslim shithead shoots up Disneyland or some mall next, make sure you remember these statements.

>I protect my right to own an assault rifle, especially if it means some dipshit can shoot up a fucking preschool next.

Orlando is tip of the iceberg.

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>>30295641
so only the bad guy should have guns? that's the most retarded thing i've read all week.

i should have at least equal firepower to anyone against me, preferably greater.

>>30295657
You do realise that you are a liberal, don't you. Why have Americans changed the definition of that word? Gun nuts are the last true liberals.

Also, you've done the exact same thing but in reverse.

'No Fly = good' to 'No Fly = bad'

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>>30295659

>>30295430
If you look at it in the long run this is just one more step towards a revolt against our government. Which is a good thing, there are alot of people pissed off. Not the liberal go to starbucks and vent on facebook. But buying thousand of rounds and armor and waiting for shit like this to get outta hand.

>>30295659
Just ignore the fact they were muslim and continue to bitch about how guns are the problem.

Islam is the worst thing to come to the western world.

>>30295659
>CRAAAAWLING IIIIIN MY FEEEEEELZ

Appeal to emotion in one post flat.

>>30295671
Yep, you'd also be equal with assault rifles banned. You'd be equal with all guns banned.

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>>30295659
go pound sand in your ass. i live in chicago. shootings happen every fucking day.

>>30295681
>this is a relevant refutation of the point.

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>>30295463
Eugene stoner can stuck a big fat dick, hope he rots in hell.

>>30295675

I never said the no-fly list was good, I always thought it was stupid and pointless. And I'm talking about Liberals, not classical liberalism, capital L... the #ImWithHer Hillary-supporting types. Don't be pedantic.

>>30295690
>point

Appeal to emotion isn't a point.

>>30295685
So how could that be stopped? I wonder if there was a way to stop shootings...

>>30295682
you are willfully ignorant. laws only bother the law abiding.

>>30295659
>muslim shithead
I think we both know what the problem is.

>>30295659
Oh no, roughly 12,000 - 13,000 of out 323,000,000 million people are murdered in this country each year, so we need more of your rights to keep you safe. Why don't we institute an assault booze ban? 80,000 people die from high capacity drinks every year.

>>30295697
>I'm a dumbass American that can't understand inference.

>>30295675
>No Fly = good
yes anon, everyone here loves the Patriot Act too

>>30295698
you arent even american, are you.

stop it? why would i want to stop it? 90% of the "gun violence" in america is black-on-black gang violence. the question is how can i benefit from it.

>>30295690
>Implying it fucking doesn't
My rights dont end where your pansy assed feelz begin you fucking faggot. Please go suck off a shotgun to remove yourself from the gene pool

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>>30295437

>>30295704
The population over deaths is not an accurate measure.

I do take your point though. I guess they could ban dangerous behavior while drinking. Maybe they could make drinking and driving illegal for example, or ban 'pure alcohol' drinks or support a way for people to give up drinking.

>>30295690
Hey there Cupcake! I have never subscribed to the idea of 'gender confusion,' but after reading your comment, I'm a believer because there is no way you and I are the same gender. You should surrender your testicles to the Department of Girlymen. I'm not sure where it's located, but your girlfriend Barack does!

>>30295717
I can't argue with this. It's a pretty decent point although I feel for the other 10%. They are still worth consideration.

Guilty until proven innocent is now fully accepted in the US.

>>30295732
>>30295718
>Being mad enough to samefag

>>30295728
Prohibition of alcohol was a thing and the government sold poisonous alcohol to civilians. Prohibition didn't work and gun control will not make us safe.

>>30295728
>I guess they could ban dangerous behavior while drinking. Maybe they could make drinking and driving illegal for example, or ban 'pure alcohol' drinks or support a way for people to give up drinking.
what? no you faggot, you're only enabling such fatalities and are therefore directly causing them.

no no, we must ban all alcoholic drink, period. it should not be an available option to anyone lest some cause fatalities while under its influence.

>>30295747
Drink driving laws, banning poison as alcohol and alcoholics anonymous are not prohibition.

>>30295728
Those are all great ideas and sure to be absolutely successful. I mentioned the population because it is a negligible amount of people that die every year from gun violence. People hear random statistics about the number of mass shootings with out taking in to consideration just how many people there are in the entire country.

1300 people die every day thanks to smoking.

>>30295746
>being in denial that you got btfo because your fall back argument was emotions
that my friend is cuck

>>30295754
The filibuster was not about banning all guns. It was about banning a specific and dangerous subset of the community from getting assault rifles.

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>>30295659
Friend, you're on the wrong board.
Most of the people who frequent this board agree with these images:
>>30295459
>>30295677


Apply literally every argument for gun control to vehicles or alcohol, but keep in mind neither of those are natural rights protected by the constitution.
What have you realized?

>>30295767
I did this. Alcohol is regulated, driving is regulated.

Assault rifles can be regulated.

>>30295736
not statistically, no they are not. statistically they are insignificant.

>>30295764
As has been stated, it will not have the desired effect. There are lots of innocent people that end up on those lists and a terrorist isn't going to give up if they can't get a gun legally. They'll resort to theft or the black market.

>>30295764
>specific
Have they changed the definition of that to be synonymous with "arbitrary?"

>>30295755
Did I say they were the same thing?

>>30295764
I'm not talking about the filibuster. I'm talking about what a disgusting human being you are for your continued support of something that continues to take so many lives.

the next time an innocent is killed by a drunk driver, make sure you remember these statements.

>>30295779
If every individual deserves protection from government and things like the Patriot Act, the 10% have to count.

>>30295764
>The watch list
>Specific and dangerous

Oooor random fucking citizens who have committed no crimes.

Remember, if they could actually prove they were terrorists, they would fucking arrest them. This a list specifically of people who are /not/ known to be terrorists, but that the government has a funny feeling about.

>>30295767
My point about assault booze was that twofold: First, more people die from alcohol every year. Second, we already banned booze one upon a time, and it failed to do anything beyond create more criminals.

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>>30295778
They are both regulated, people still purchase them illegally, people still do illegal things with them, and both have higher deaths annually (by a couple of orders of magnitude) than rifles, which stand at some 600/year.

>>30295778
And what does that regulation accomplish? Not much. I can tell you that about 90% of vehicle related incidents in the Milwaukee area are caused by drivers with suspended licenses.[sarcasm] I'm so grateful that those regulations keep those people from driving vehicles and hurting people[/sarcasm]

>>30295791
I realize this.
Banning scawee 'salt rifles won't do a goddamn thing.

>>30295786
You are confused.

I'm not anti-guns. I just think that letting people deemed unsafe to fly should not be allowed to own an AR-15.

There's probably no perfect analogy with driving and drinking.

>>30295659
Hey, retard, remember france?
Yeah, they have gun laws that not even the most rabid liberal proposes for the us and 140 people were murdered and 350+ were injured, all thanks to islam.

>>30295430
There was no reason not to allow the votes anyway.

They're not likely to pass (not going to pretend it's a 0% chance), and when they don't that's called Democracy in Action.

>>30295812
Ban Islam then? That seems constitutional.

>>30295778
neither alcohol nor driving is regulated in such a way that a governing body can arbitrarily determine you unfit for either, preemptively without due process. the No Fly list has already shown us that this is a possibility.

>>30295819
Would you like the No Fly list to be taken out of commission forever?

>>30295529
>http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-ar-15-inventor-speaks-out-n593356
>>30295529
>>30295529
proably not

>>30295659

How come there's been more shootings under the current presidents administration than the last two presidents combined?

>>30295818
About as constitutional as gun control.
At least banning muslims would begin to solve the problem

>>30295804
>deemed unsafe to fly
that's the problem. who's doing the deeming? what interests do they have in mind? is it a just process, open to public scrutiny? is it difficult to be removed from this list if you're "accidentally" put on it?

this is the same argument people put forth when their privacy was being eroded and broad surveillance was implemented. 'it won't affect me, I haven't been deemed a terrorist'.

>>30295804
Sure there is.
People with a suspended license shouldn't be able to drive.

>>30295818
There is a code or statute that gives the gov the ability to stop immigration, yes.

>>30295818
Is that all you liberals think about, banning things?
I never said ban islam, i understand that bans don't work.
What we need to do is understand why they want to destroy our way of life and spread american ideals instead of villainizing freedom.

>>30295804
I was deemed unsafe to fly when I was 7 years old because my dad bought a flight simulator.

Clearly too dangerous to own a gun?

>>30295818
Think where we'd be if we let Japanese "REFUGEES" into the country in '42.
>WE ROVE AMERICA SO MUCH
>GRORIOUS NIPPON IS SO EVIR
>RET US IN
>WE ARE REFUGEES

>>30295826
>time to speak in extremes and fence a strawman
if the process has already proved to be broken, try fixing it before subjecting another set of innocent citizens to it. especially if it has something to do with an amendment that was written precisely to keep the governing body in check. you know, the same governing body coming up with the broken process to preemptively deem innocent citizens guilty without due process in the first place.

>>30295859
There there precious, I'm sure uncle sam will give you a badge for your brave Internet fighting.

You've got Fox News tourettes.

>>30295878
>Japanese refugees
I don't think you know how these things work

>>30295611
Anything can be put to a vote asshat.

>>30295885
It's either in or its out, same as the 2nd amendment 'strawman'

>>30295888
Right, instead of criticizing the hate that islam promotes, we should show them love and compassion, but at the same time we should demonize gun owners and ban guns.

>>30295892
My point is immigration from certain places can be suspended and most certainly was when we were at war with Japan.
Then we would have considered them enemy combatants. Just because they're saying they're refugees now doesn't mean some of them, 1% even, are not enemy combatants.
>b-but the women and children

>>30295677
>everyone without a gun is dead
>the one guy with one is alive

i dont think the artist thought this out very well

>>30295927
lol
That is an excellent point.

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>>30295437
>>30295459

>>30295764
It was about banning a specific subset of the community that has landed on a list which is entirely opaque, with no due process and no accountability.
Frankly, you and I are probably on the list because we post on a website where some fucked up people post(ed in the past). Confirmed murderers have posted here before. Pedophiles have posted here before. I'm fucking sure that some legitimate terrorists have posted here before.
If they wanted to ban people who have been publicly added to the list after an accountable process with positive proof of them being terrorists, then it might make sense. Except even in that case, you have to wonder why they don't just arrest those people for being confirmed terrorists.

>>30295898
>I can't argue unless you let me use my strawman
nope, fuck off. it's not one or the other, but nice try. I already listed ways it could be improved. my point still stands regardless of whether you choose to ignore the point that the process preemptively deems innocent citizens guilty without due process in the first place.

>>30295764
>It was about banning a specific and dangerous subset of the community
you mean muslims right? i mean we are at war with "radical" islam right?

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>>30295550

>>30295778
"Assault" rifles are currently regulated far more strictly than cars or booze. To get booze, all you have to do is flash a licence or ID t prove age. To get a car and drive, all you have to do is a little test and make sure it is up to code and get insurance *if* you're going to use it in public. No requirements to obtain a car if you aren't using it in public.
To get a gun, you have to wait a week, wait 10 days, go through a background check, go through a safety test, show ID to prove of age, jump through endless tax hoops, and comply with regulations regardless of where you plan to use it, delete as appropriate.
In all three cases, using it irresponsibly gets you in trouble with the police, and combining any two gets you in extra super trouble in most cases.

Their handlers will never let the Republican congressman do anything, save for grovel. The paycheck of the congressman comes not solely from the government itself.

As much as this term is spouted about on here, I believe the majority of Republican legislators are controlled opposition. The Democrats are the chosen 'good guys'. The Republicans simply need to stand in front of cameras and decry the Democrats; whatever lingo best soothes their voter base will be employed. When they do take a seat in the big-boy room, they do nothing but twiddle their thumbs.

The past eight years has been evidence of this enough. Republicans are there solely to give voice to the opposition. GWB cemented their role as boogeymen in the eyes of the mainstream, comedic puppet that he was.

They're not stupid. They're self-serving.

>>30295764
>Semi automatic Sporting Rifles that look like "scurry black salt rifles" are now assualt rifles
You dumbass, NFA already made it illegal to make assualt rifles past 1986. Not to mention the amount of regulation put on pre bans. Let alone the fact tbat the shooter used a semi automatic and not a select fire. Fuck off back to facebook, cunt

>>30295969
Wew lad, the tinfoil is strong.

>(The republicans cockblocked alot of obamas bullshit)

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Here is a progression of what is going to happen:
>1. After the Orland shooting a bill is passed making it illegal for anyone suspected of terrorism or placed on the no-fly list to purchase a firearm from an FFL
>2. This will be challenged but the Supreme Court will not hear the case
>3. Another radical Islamic inspired shooting will take place. This time the shooter will have purchased the firearm privately without undergoing a background check.
>4. Congress will pass a bill closing what they call the "gun show loophole" and mandate that either all private purchases must first go through a background check or ban private sales.
>5. When this is shown not to be a cure for anything, then progress can be made on banning certain types of firearms, magazines, and cosmetic accessories.

It's inevitable, lads.

>>30295430
British MP has just been shot, she's still alive I think. Not sure they can tighten gunlaws any more except for an outright ban.

>>30295983
>shit said after sandy

Nothing is inevitable.

>>30295878
We're not at war with Islam, as much as your neanderthal brain wishes we were

>>30295998
It will happen within the next 4-8 years.

>>30296008
>shit said after sandy

Its been 4 years, yet here we are

>>30295999
We were not at war with all the Japanese either, just the nation of japan.

That did not stop the US government from interring Japanese immigrants, even Japanese-Americans.

>>30295497
Strategy my friend. Not a good time to be seen as obstructing "common sense gun laws".

Remember maintaining congress if key.

>>30295698
apparently not because shitcago has fuck tons of gun control and it hasnt stopped shit.

>>30296015
If you haven't noticed, they've been progressively gaining more ground and becoming louder and louder. We can't hold a congressional majority forever.

>>30295497
>No1 cares,
>No1

> this is why I've lost nearly all respect for the majority of my fellow "Americans"

Nobody cares about your shitty opinions, or who you lost respect for, you illiterate.

>>30295999
Are we not at war in the region?

>>30296033
OR you could just be going down a check list of concerned trolling

....

>>30296033
>they've been progressively gaining more ground

I have not noticed, because they have not gained shit.

>We can't hold a congressional majority forever.
>We

Wew lad.

>>30296048
>having a problem with me saying "we"
Are you not a pro-gun American as well? Are we not in this together? Are we not concerned for our rights? Are you really that autistic?

Well probably have to give up
>muh private sales
This will be a red herring
>massive intelligence failure

Who cares. No private ftf sales passed in my state. If I'm selling to someone I trust I don't bother complying. If it's a random stranger? Run the check who gives a fuck.

What's the big deal with running a check when selling privately?
>inb4 muh ghost gun

>>30295999
correct. Islam is at war with us and we are ignoring it, burrying our heads n the sand.
>we helped the Taliban fend off the Soviets in the 80's
>they thanked us by supporting Al-Queda
>We helped the Saudis fend off Iraqi invasion
>they thank us by supporting Al-queda
>The only country in the middle east that has a legitimate beef with us is Iran

>>30295698
maybe stop the war on drugs, do something about the rampant poverty in the area, and better enforce the laws that are already on the books

>>30295732
I really loved reading all those emails.

>>30295509
Define mentally ill.
Is having ADD / ADHD a mental illness?
"Oh no! You're family member/significant other/ etc died and you have some depression. Better take your rights away for being human!"

>>30296058
>>The only country in the middle east that has a legitimate beef with us is Iran

I would say the US has a legitimate beef with the Iran government.

>>30296058
>providing clear evidence of our inept and naive ""leadership""
>muh patriot act
>muh terrorism wars

>>30296064
>asking /k/ to define mental illness
>expecting anything other than shitposting with a complete disregard as to what mental health professionals and science agree upon as mental illnesses

>>30296073
>expecting someone who believes they were born in the wrong body and wants to cut pieced of themselves off would be considered a mental illness by a doctor
>being a bigot in 2016

>>30296061
Get rid of "back up time"
>the practice of letting criminals walk after sentencing (because jails are too full) with the threat of "if you get caught for something else you go to jail for that and this," except its an emoty threat, becuse guys with "backup time" get "stacked back up time" so that they never see prison unless they get caught with something major.
>"backup time" crimes include: breaking and entering, robbery, assault, some drug crimes and minor sex offenses.

I think the real question is.....can Hillary Clinton legally buy a gun right now? Could I if I was currently in a investigation that had known criminal charges at stake buy a gun?

>>30296067
you forget that we overthrew thekr country and installed a ruthless dictator, which set the stage for their revolution and the current regime.
>>30296068
>what are things that occurred after Muslims attacked the US for 500

>>30295691
Stoner is already dead. That was his shitty kids talking.

>>30296077
I'm a cis normative straight white male. I'm all that's wrong with the world apparently. But outside of severe gender dysmorphia, being trans is not a mental illness.

That said there is nothing scientifically recognized or supported in being non-gender binary.

>>30295430
DAILY REMINDER:
WE CAN ALWAYS GO TO SWITZERLAND:
http://www.lagardere.ch/images/pages/catalogue.pdf (Swiss gun catalog)

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>>30295610
>This post
>This whole thread

>>30296098
>in 1782 Muslims pirated our merchant vessel
>muh war with Islam

>>30296102
I don't see how believing in a lie such as being born in the wrong body is not mental illness when compared to me saying I hate the world and think I was born in the wrong one and its depressing me can get me on a list.

>>30295755
I think this anon missed the point of the post.
The government literally poisoned liquor and let it into the market to kill people who wanted to drink.

>>30296098
>you forget that we overthrew thekr country and installed a ruthless dictator,

You forget that the Pahlavi dynasty has been in power since 1925, and that the brits and soviets put Reza in charge, not the US.

In response to this, the Iranian government sperged out and took US hostages for over a year.

But fuck history, amirite?

>>30295999
Hasent a religious group called for jihad on the west?...

>>30296166
>The government literally poisoned liquor

You might want to look this up.

They put foul tasting additives into alcohol that was NOT FOR CONSUMPTION (I.E. medical, sterilization shit) that dumb asses were drinking.

Problem was, people just drank past the foul tasting additives, and then got sick.

>>30295818
>we have a problem
>therefore we must find something to ban

Wut

>>30296187
http://time.com/3665643/deadly-drinking/

>So, as TIME reported in the Jan. 10, 1927, issue, a solution emerged from the anti-drinking forces in the government: that year, a new formula for denaturing industrial-grade alcohol was introduced, doubling how poisonous the product became. The new formula included “4 parts methanol (wood alcohol), 2.25 parts pyridine bases, 0.5 parts benzene to 100 parts ethyl alcohol” and, as TIME noted, “Three ordinary drinks of this may cause blindness.” (In case you didn’t guess, “blind drink” isn’t just a figure of speech.)

>>30296148
Medical experts agree that it is, indeed, a mental disorder.
http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

>>30296199

Thanks for backing me up anon.

>>30296187
>I am a faggot who has no idea what he's talking about.

"Frustrated that people continued to consume so much alcohol even after it was banned, federal officials had decided to try a different kind of enforcement. They ordered the poisoning of industrial alcohols manufactured in the United States, products regularly stolen by bootleggers and resold as drinkable spirits. The idea was to scare people into giving up illicit drinking. Instead, by the time Prohibition ended in 1933, the federal poisoning program, by some estimates, had killed at least 10,000 people."


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html

>>30296199
cont.

>The government made no attempt to pretend that increasing the denaturing formula wouldn’t lead to deaths. Later that year, Seymour M. Lowman, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in charge of Prohibition, even told citizens that the fringes of society that drink were “dying off fast from poison ‘hooch'” and that if the result was a sober America, “a good job will have been done.”

>>30295463
>we're mad because papa eugene sold out and we don't have any royalty money

>>30295980
They also blocked a lot of non-bullshit out of pure spite. They don't deserve any credit.

>>30296207

No, you need to read your own source.

>>30296208
>Drink denatured alcohol
>Surprised when you die

Wew lad.

>>30296024
So you want to repeat an act that everyone agrees was a mistake and a violation of their rights as American citizens?

>>30295732
Best new oc kuntzman pasta

>>30296219
They did it knowing it could kill you m8 not to make you "not likely the tasty" stay on topic

>>30296223
No, im saying that anons logic is wrong, and his history is wrong.

The internment of Japanese and jap-americans had nothing directly to do with the nation of japan, and more to do with the fact that the US government did not have the resources to watch every jap/jap-american for subversion or espionage.

>>30295888
>I cant refute his point so let me make fun of him!
Good one

>>30296173
>muh monarchy
... Because those are always democratic.

>>30295430
Hopefully they allow the vote and overwhelm them with no votes courtesy of that GOP majority.

>ALRIGHT! We'll fucking do it now shut the hell up!
>Congratulations! Nothing passed. What did you expect?

>>30296228
>not to make you "not likely the tasty"

No, they did it to ruin the taste. The fact that the chemicals could injure you if ingested in large amounts did not bother them.

>>30296219
Except that when people drank not-poised alcohol it was just fine. That's why they were stealing it, it was drinkable. Many used chemicals to make it taste bad, but the people drinking it didn't care, so they decided to put poison in it. Deliberate poison. As in adding chemicals for no other reason than to ensure the deaths of U.S citizens. And it worked.

>>30296181
>Hasent a religious group called for jihad on the west?
Yeah, the same way that all of Christianity listens to the Pope.

>>30295603
> if it's anything like their dubious No Fly shitshow, it's going to an unpleasant ride.

But not a plane ride.

>>30296246
You mean the fact it was known and did kill people they did not care...which is the literal point the anon was making, This is the Times literal interpretation and you think you know better
kek

>>30296246
>They added acetone and mythl alcohol to ruin the taste
>Those are perfectly acceptable bittering agents
>Not at all a deliberate attempt to kill

>>30296248
>Except that when people drank (non denatured) alcohol it was just fine.

No shit.

> That's why they were stealing it, it was drinkable

You sure you dont want to put 'Drinkable' in quotations?

> Many used chemicals to make it taste bad, but the people drinking it didn't care, so they decided to put poison in it.

Wood alcohol will fuck you up weather or not you put chemicals in it or not. Thats what hurt people.

>As in adding chemicals for no other reason than to ensure the deaths of U.S citizens.

So you are telling me if you drink very large amounts wood alcohol you will go blind? Gee, what a fucking surprise.

>And it worked.

Proabition failed. Unless you are talking about the whole death thing, then that did not even work. Just 10k over 13 years. Thats less than 1k people a year.

What you dont realize is to be injured from it, much less die, you have to drink A METRIC FUCKTON of the stuff.

>>30296263
THIS

We don't want kids to like the taste of cough syrup so we added arsenic you dumb fucks

>>30296240
>Muh murrica is to blame!

Except, as i have shown, they were not. America was a scapegoat, a convenient boogieman, for an revolution. Nothing more.

>>30296269
no m8 the chemicals killed people according to Times m8 sorry your damage control is not working.

>>30296263
>>Those are perfectly acceptable bittering agents

Back in the 10's to 30's? Yes.

The idea is you STOP drinking it after tasteing it.

>>30296277
>2016 is 1913

Wew lad

>>30296269
>Oh, they only killed 10k people. What's a few thousand murdered citizens among friends?

Maybe you should read that article a few more times. It wasn't that the industrial alcohol was inherently that dangerous. It's not good for you, sure, but the government demanded that they put in enough chemicals to kill people who drank it. Not just "Oh, no, part of the natural chemical formula we're using kills people," it was "people can drink this stuff. We need to make sure it kills them. Pour in some more formaldehyde"

>>30296283
M8 that went way the fuck over your head
kek

your blowing this

>>30296282

Im not arguing the chemicals were not good for you.

Intention is my argument. The intention was not mass murder, the intention was denaturing and non palatability. Im also arguing the base product was already poisonous.

>>30295509
There is if it blatantly violates due process and adheres to a list with zero transparency, arbitrary qualifications to be put on it, and no way to remove yourself from it.

This is the same no-fly list that prevented young children from being taken on airplanes due to having similar names to terrorists, and people are A-Okay with using it to circumvent a constitutional right.

>>30296283
This was the 20's m8 just to blow you out even more lol

>>30295430
It sounds like they want universal background checks, which is almost already the case if you are buying from a store. So all this will do is run private sales through an FFL which some states already require. The terror watch list thing is the most concerning and flagrant disregard for due process in this whole thing and the article mentions adding some sort of due diligence process for getting off of it should you wind up on it, which is still backwards and subversive of your presumption of innocence and right to due process. I'm not a judge, but I can't imagine any judge outside of the 9th circuit allowing that to stand

>>30296289
>It wasn't that the industrial alcohol was inherently that dangerous.

Yes, anon, it is. Industrial alcohol, will make you go blind. Wood alcohol WILL fuck you up.


> but the government demanded that they put in enough chemicals to make it less palatable

Fixed for you.

>"people can drink this stuff. We need to make sure it they fucking stop. denature the fuck out of it. If it hurts people, i dont give a fuck. Shits already poisonous."

Fixed again.

>>30296295
no M8 that is directly debunked in the Times article when the they knew the results before and ignores the death after lol

you having a hard time tonight.

>>30296311
It will not kill you as a rule and it wont kill you when it does as much without the chemicals they put in it. now we are peacemealing this argument like pussy liberals

they put chemicals in that could kill and did not take them out when they did

>>30295709
>I'm a dumbass non-American who thinks he understands the reality of gun violence, its causes, and its effects on American citizens better than Americans do

Fuck

Off

>>30296129
so basically Muslims have been waging war on us since the 1700'S then?
>>30296173
meh

>>30296295
There are a lot of things you can add to something to make it taste bad. Just a dash of the right flavoring compounds can make something smell and taste like gag-inducing dogshit while not causing any harm besides maybe vomiting.

There are also a lot of things you can add to kill people dead while not making it really taste that different from normal prohibition era swill.

Guess which category they picked from?

>>30295476
>>30295489
Slippery slope, one passes, next one has a better chance to. This one is asking every firearm deal in the United States be through an FFL or be subject to breaking the law. No more gun shows, no more gunbroker, no more private sales, nothing. Even if there are, it has to transfer through an FFL and both parties must undergo a background check.

Which is nice, because this still wouldn't have kept strawpurchase Omar from getting his guns and killing all those fags.

>>30295430
Just can't wait for

>"Only a terrorist would want to buy a gun"
And bam youre on the list

>>30295555
Which should result in a lawsuit because you were denied due process

>>30295787
They don't count enough to severely limit the 2nd Ammendment rights of other Americans, particularly when they aren't even remotely close to the largest cause of gun deaths.

More people die in car accidents due to drunk driving than in mass shootings. Keep in mind those accidents also include people drunk drivers struck and killed. Should we ban alcohol? High speed cars?

The answer is no. Freedom is inherently dangerous, and there is no way for the Government to make the average citizen's life 100% safe, even if they decide to do it by ignoring the constitution and civil liberties in general.

>>30296311
>They only wanted to change the taste

You know there are flavoring compounds, right? That are non-toxic? And that only a few drops of are enough to make you vomit?

And yet instead of those, they chose to spike it with a chemical that doesn't taste that different from what was already in it while being much, much more deadly.

But nah.

I'm sure they had the best intentions at heart.

>>30296335
This is the truth. Next will come registration because they have no way of telling who has what. Once they know that they'll start banning by name and confiscating from law abiding citizens that registered. Better get a boating hobby kids

>>30295570
Dems like Yeeland Lee or whatever are too busy filling their corrupt pockets by selling them to terrorists.

>>30296353
Strict commiefornia gun laws..what's there to blame it on next.

So what are the bills, assault weapons ban and universal background checks?

How about a fucking republican adds a clause to eliminate the Hughes amendment in one of the bills, nothing the dems has proposed is a compromise.

>>30295444
With zero due process or warning.

The amendment to the spending bill also throws in a UBC for good measure. Give inch, they take a mile.

Oh and Trump is already selling us out.

>>30295675
>No fly = no good

You know nobody gives a shit here about getting on a plane. It's if it's used to restrict 2nd amendment.

These people don't represent me or my interests at all, nor most of the people under their banners.

When did we allow this to happen?

>>30296353
They blamed bullet buttons after the san bernadino hajis

>>30296358
Only morons would actually register. If everyone registered, the entire government wouldn't have the resources to do jack shit, and they know it.

>confiscate on a mass scale
>either they go door to door or use a list
>1/20 on that list are extremists lying in wait to open fire with semi or fully automatic weapons
>everyone else either doesn't register or opens fire when they do random checks
>would take decades, if not more, to check half the gun owners in the US for illegal weapons
There's no way in fuck they would get away with it, and no way in fuck officers or feds would accept going door to door if they thought there's a significant chance it's some redneck extremists or veteran willing to open fire and go out in a bang. Literally.

>>30296353
That already happened. We got stricter gun laws in CA.

Trust me, they'll keep happening. It's by design. If gun control actually stopped any of this they wouldn't be able to keep passing more.

Sooner or later we'll be down to pellet rifles and airsoft. Then someone will shoot up something with an illegally obtained AK and we'll lose our nerf guns too.

>>30295645
>innocent until proven guilty
It's the other way around now. Unless you're a democrat or a minority.

>>30295570
They don't have anywhere near the funds as someone like Bloomberg.

The no fly list and terror watch list are just a list of names. No other identifying information.

If you share an irish-as fuck name with some 80 year old IRA jackass, you are SOL.

>>30295509
Who determines another person is mentally ill?

Another man or woman who can have their own mental problems.


Unfortunately mankind has stayed the same and now the preachers words that can determine the fate of another human being is now up to a psychologist whom we must accept are mentally and morally sound themselves or not swayed politically or emotionally and most of all, not money...

>>30295570
Polarization means far less NRA dems than before. In fact I think they're down to one. The NRA's power is in stirring or threatening voter backlash. They most pour money into legal cases and LaPierre's pocket.

>>30295678
>revolution is a good thing

revolution could be a good thing.

unfortunately we are quickly passing the point where it with be a decisive thing and entering the point where it will be a long drawn out bullshit thing where there are occasional fights or bombings that will blend in with the everyday news untik it just peters out and we end up fucked and a footnote to history.

just like the irish

even if we manage a big initial push then we have to deal with the 100,000,000 americans that dont want anything to do with the fight and just to exist in air conditioning with their pizza delivery

>>30296458
Yea m8 its he government that should fear a long drawn out battle m8
The terrorists in the middle east seem to still have their guns.

>>30295691
why dont you try actually reading the link instead of being part of the problem?

>>30295430

I don't want to live here anymore. I'm stuck in commiefornia, but I always clung to the hope that the rest of america wouldn't sink into the depressing communist shithole that I live in.

fuck this gay earth

I already called Toomey's office and told the person at the other end to let Toomey know he is scum.

I then called my republican senators to tell them to vote no on gun control. Called my democrat house rep to put forth a bill to fix the terror and no fly lists.

>>30295764
Omariqueer, or whatever his name was, was taken off the terror watch list after the investigation was done.

What this law leads to is more lists, or a class of deniable lists. Basically a no accountability, inappealable, zero due process governmental wet dream.

Say something they don't like online, get added to a list five minutes before a no-knock raid. Now you have guns in violation of that list! It's like a warrant-circumventing 'arrested for resisting arrest' with a side order of weapons felony.

Fuck. Us. All.

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Gun control is inevitable.

Who cares the most about the right to bear arms in the US? White people.

Who is gradually becoming a minority? White people.

Who makes up the vast majority of Republican voters? White people.

The changing demographics in the US don't favor you, you're on a sinking ship.

>>30296586
LBJ destroyed America, you know.

>>30296350
if you're retarded enough to drink wood alcohol and keep drinking enough of it to kill you then i want you to be dead

>>30295659
>We should all be treated like crimnals and stripped of our rights because that way the REAL criminals would also be affected.

>>30296586
History tells us the smaller the population white people the control we have and the less care we have for shit skins opinion

this is precedent and I cant wait.

>>30295728
And yet even with all those alcohol controls already enacted 80k still die from alcohol each year.

Really effective aren't they.

>>30296600
Isn't the 1965 immigration bill really bobby kennedy's fault

I mean LBJ a shit too

>>30296630
the more*

>>30296630
>>30296659
Modern progressivism doesn't have any precedent in American history though and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

>>30296653
vietnam war
immigration bill
civil rights act
voting rights act
gun control act
"great society" welfare bills

>>30296586
People like you ruined our moment to make this a big tent issue.

>muh niggers are the problem
>muh joos behind gun control
>muh need to shoot dem wetbacks before dey anchor baby
>REED DA TURNER DIARIES LA RAZA IS COMIN

So fuck you. That wasn't destiny. It was an effort to make natural rights the provinence of just white males.

>>30295804
Holy shit negro the point you continue to miss is that there is no logical reason to how or why people end up on that list. You could be on that list for all you know.

That's what is disturbing. It is literally vague as fuck and if you do end up on the list for who knows why, you have rights stripped without due process and no way to appeal it.

That is Gestapo level shit.

>>30296676
Nam wasn't that bad, neither was the civil rights act really (I mean, after we failed to deport the niggers to begin with the train had kinda sailed there). Welfare and immigration are the big kickers there.

And obviously gun control but that hasn't sped along the demographic collapse.

>>30296677
People like that guy are not relevant voices, they are not even HEARD. The media, from day 1, wanted this to be about guns, and so it was.

We have no reason to believe we can convert the bulk of minorities to our side. There is no precedent for it that doesn't involve blatant fucking pandering in the form of, well, LBJ tier handouts. Playing nice with them doesn't work and never has, the GOP has been learning this for decades.

>>30296249
.... a lot of people listen to the pope.
So since not everyone listens to their leaders we aren't having a religious war? Are you being serious? or
And I'm pretty sure if they're not listening to their leaders who are telling them to jihad, they are also the enemy so.... yeah.

>>30296706
civil and voting rights bills gerrymandered black dominated districts. instead of getting blacks proportional represenatation in congress. It just created super safe seats for Democrats and super white districts.

any gerrymandering that is suppoeedly happened since. Is just the parties fighting for control of of the suburbs around the black districts.

>>30296736
Gerrymandering's been going on since WELL before the 60s, political chicanery is more or less a constant.

>>30296664
lol
>modern progressivism is not literally based on already tried Marxist ideology

who do you think is in the biggest rush to die off and bow to the progressives?

the cucked whites that hold us back we literally are in a hundred or so year lull due to the weakest of us, As whites becomes more and more a minority only the radical whites will be left and history shows we dominate the rest with less people.

America is literally Rome and it fell as America will but look what happened to white people ten and now..... we created more empires later.

>>30296757
Oh I don't disagree with any of that, it's just clear that America's going to fall.

>>30296765
Yep it will fail and it will be another glorious example of shit skins having to swallow their pride and accept worse life conditions until they inevitably get a chance to live with more whites.

You already will hear them tell you if th US fell they are going to even whiter countries LOL never to their peoples homeland.

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>>30296775
Ironically, Europe is liable to fall faster than America at this rate despite the proportions of coloreds. I think we can thank the foresight of our founding fathers for creating a hilariously slow-moving legislative body for that. And the oceans, the oceans help.

>>30296786
Yea its going to be fun before it gets better

>>30296329
>There are a lot of things you can add to something to make it taste bad.

It was the 20's and 30's. You are comparing today's standards to then.

>Guess which category they picked from?

The first. Seriously.

>>30296318
>It will not kill you as a rule.

It WILL blind you, and kill you when you drink large amounts.

>they put chemicals in that could kill and did not take them out when they did

100% true.

>>30296803
I will not blind you as rule or kill you m8
anything else?

they simply added a inefficient flavoring agent knowing it can cause death and did not remove it after that is the point.

>>30296812
it*

>>30296812
>It* will not blind you as rule

Do you know what wood alcohol is, you dumbass?

Why dont you google it.

>>30295659
Everyday in the US, over 11,600 babies are born. The fifty that died in Florida are 1/232, or 0.4% of the number of births that same day. They were statistically insignificant, and have been replaced more than a thousand times over by now. Why should we sacrifice our rights and freedom for an insignificantly small minority?

>>30296839
Yea I did and I seem a shit ton of accounts of it being used by bums and them not going blind....so...they don't make you go blind or die as a rule.

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>>30296148
>when compared to me saying I hate the world and think I was born in the wrong one and its depressing me can get me on a list.

You've got no one to blame for that but yourself. This is a perfect example of the special snowflake syndrome. Guess what? Everyone gets fed up with the world around them at times. Everyone wants to live in a utopia of their own where you get what you want.

But you're a special snowflake. You keep pushing to be validated or to get some attention. When someone tells you that what you feel is absolutely normal, you won't accept that so you go to get professional help. When they tell you that is perfectly normal to have these feelings, you keep pushing. You are asking for them to diagnose you with a disorder until they finally do.

And then? Then you get mad about it. Deal with it like an adult.

>>30295463
>the M16 is derived from the AR15
>somehow the AR15 was never intended to be a civilian firearm
Fuck off. It's been available for civilian sale since its fucking inception.

>>30296857
I don't feel this way m8
I am talking about if I said thay I could be put on a list as possibly unstable and mentally ill.

way to blow yourself out lol

>>30295583
>54% republican majority
>vote needs simple majority to pass

$100 on 54% nay, 46% aye or better. the few remaining elected Dixiecrats may vote no to ensure their seats not becoming red come election, but republicans won't vote yes.

only one that may pass is "muh terrorist list" which will be a load of bullshit and backdoor gun control when everyone who posts on reddit, 4chan, and spicy facebook meme sharing groups becomes prohibited persons due to suspected terrorist connections.

we need to spread a new fb meme claiming that we're lbgtqfxd's and when the next coming of hitler Godemperor Trump becomes president we don't want to be on no terrorist watch list because we'll need those guns to stay off the trains to camp fagakilla.

>>30296857
This is literally line for line what trannys and all alt gender freaks need to hear including queers.

>>30295509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ukrWC0lns

This is for you. Watch it, learn it. Then realize what you've just said is an incredibly dangerous sentiment.

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>>30296858
I really hate to quote Colion Noir, but he spoke the truth yesterday:

>The debate is frustrating b/c anti gunners won't hesitate to lie while pro gunners spend hours researching to make sure we are accurate

The antis aren't operating with logic. They are using emotion and counting on the sheep to take what they say at face value without questioning it or doing any research for themselves. This is the age of social media, retweets, and facebook shares. Nothing gets questioned and when you address it on social media you face a backlash of people calling you an awful person who doesn't care about your fellow Americans, their rights, their lives, their vaginas, or whatever the issue may be.

Michael Moore tweeted this:
>Ammo used in AR-15/M-16 is banned by Geneva Convention. It enters the body, spins & explodes. Show the crime scene photos & the NRA is over.

How many fucking libtard sheep do you think are going to eat that bullshit up without thinking twice about what he's saying or looking it up to see if it's even true? All of them.

>>30296877
>only one that may pass is "muh terrorist list" which will be a load of bullshit and backdoor gun control when everyone who posts on reddit, 4chan, and spicy facebook meme sharing groups becomes prohibited persons due to suspected terrorist connections.

All one person has to do is sue when they are denied for losing a right without due process and that bill will fall.

>>30296895
Except that is not our responsibility m8

>>30296872
>I don't feel this way m8
Sure

>I am talking about if I said thay I could be put on a list as possibly unstable and mentally ill.
Then don't fucking say anything. Is that hard for you to understand. Don't say a damn word and be a fucking adult.

>>30296910

Worst possible scenario it will be repealed right there, I am more worried about an assault weapons ban honestly. Fucking pisses me off how antis say they want all these universal checks but won't let me own the guns I want.

Has anybody on the terror watch list committed a mass shooting?

I mean I understand this is happening because the shooter was Muslim, but I also understand that the idea this was a planned attack by the Islamic State was also debunked and that he just called it mid attack to seem less pathetic.

Even if you like defining mass shootings as "Terror attacks" you have to accept that they are of the lone wolf verity and that watch-lists and the like are ineffective.

>>30296912
WOW

you really are that ornery you get lost in he context of the discussion get called out and get triggered and double down lol

the fruit said anything out of extreme gender dysmorphia is not a mental illness and I explained how is even basic transsexual beliefs not mentally ill if saying the same thing about being born in the wrong world and it depressing me can be considered a illness
you my friend have a chip on your shoulder....

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>>30296881
Why does anyone give a fuck what they do with their bodies? It's none of my business. It's none of your business. Who cares?

>>30295448
lots of people care. they're just outnumbered 10/1.
its a terrible future we have agreed to.

>>30296858
post in the comments, letters to the writers/editors, etc. Something simple like
>The AR15 was designed as a civilian sporting rifle in the 1950s. It wasn't adopted by the military until the mid-60's. Please correct this article, as it is extremely misleading.
Is a bitch slap in the face to a hit-piece.

Short, quick, sourced corrections are usually welcomed to a paper by the editor. If you go into the statistics about how AR15s are safer to the public than baseball bats and hammers, then you're getting into the weeds -- opening avenues of their ridiculous argumentation. "You can't kill 50 people at a time with a baseball bat" or whatever.

>>30296937
That's fine m8 except you want me to not call them out on it and actually allow society to be forced to act and allow them to proceed with their fantasy we don't let people walk around claiming they are.

you lost the whole doing it in their own home argument a long time ago

>>30296932
Going to a therapist and saying you feel like you were born in the wrong world isn't going to get you diagnosed as clinically depressed or even placed on a list. They won't put you on meds.

If anything, they'll rip you off by having you talk to a therapist and taking your shekels.

>>30296953
No m8 if you say that feeling is what makes you depressed and want to hurt yourself or unable to function as a adult you will be put on a list if a tranny says they feel this way and it makes you think of hurting yourself and cant function like a regular adult your not mentally ill then?

>>30296856
>Yea I did

>Methanol has a high toxicity in humans. As little as 10 mL of pure methanol, ingested, is metabolized into formic acid, which can cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve. 30 mL is potentially fatal

>>30296950
when*

>>30296937
they made it my business when a mentally-ill man follows my 10 year old daughter into a women's restroom -- or worse, a man that's simply lying about his mental condition so he can take creep photos. Nope. LEGALLY PROTECTED. GOVERNMENT CHANGED.

Nope, telling a lie enough times does not make it a truth, even if that's the Liberal Litany.

>>30296925
He was on the list during an investigation when his butt buddy blew himself up in syria. Removed after.

>>30296971
>can
>can
>can
>can>can
>can>can
>can

>>30296950
I don't understand how society is being forced to act and allow them to do anything for most trans people.

Sure, even I think it's a little weird. That said, I think it's the non-gender binary people with a never ending list of pronouns who have serious issues.

I'm pretty damn open minded and I don't give a shit about what other people do, but I'm not going to feel bad by calling someone the wrong pronoun and I'm not calling them ze, zer, or whatever else they want to be called. lol, I'm done keeping up.

They're special snowflakes who feel the need to place themselves into a category even when they claim not to fit into a category. They hate labels but they label themselves and ask the world to cater to them. Those are the people I take issue with. If some dude wants to be a woman, calling her "her" is easy enough. Calling them "ze" or "zer"? Frigg off, Randy.

>>30296983
THIS

and if a school says anything they can loose fucking public funding lol this world is sick and these faggots are damage controlling.

>>30297005
What's worse is that it's mostly over-priviliged cis white people that feel guilty about being the majority who are advocating for most of this shit.

It's soccer mom's and beta millennials with too much time on their hands and no real job.

>>30296894
>Michael Moore tweeted this:
>>Ammo used in AR-15/M-16 is banned by Geneva Convention. It enters the body, spins & explodes. Show the crime scene photos & the NRA is over.

Well, that boiled my blood.

For purposes of work, I can't record and distribute it myself, but I just wrote like a five page breakdown of that entire thing, word by word, and why it is complete and total absolute bullshit. I kind of want to send it to someone, but I don't know if it'll even make a difference, at this point. Might not hurt to try.

Literally, every fucking word, I hate that faggot so much. Geneva convention, how bullets work, "explodes," crime scene photos, all complete horse shit.

What a time to be alive.

>>30296983
You're okay with him following your 10 year old son instead? If he's such a dangerous pedo he shouldn't be in public and hey... That's a point already made a few times here. Due process meaning 'pre-crime' is the wrong approach seems like a really hard thing to be consistent on.

>>30296983
So why are you voting for Trump if it's such a big deal to you? He has already stated he supports the ruling.

>>30296985
So discounting the fact that he was only on the list because he was Muslim (suddenly liberals are tottaly okay with islamophobia) The only way this would have worked is if the ban applied to EVERYONE who had EVER been on the watchlist for any reason, guilty or innocent.

I have a confession to make. I'm a liberal. And shit like this drives me up a fucking wall.

>>30296677
Oh give me a break, you know damn well that majority of minority/non-white/whatever the fuck you want to call them groups don't give a shit about gun rights.

It's like how the Libertarian Party thinks they have any appeal outside white people.

>>30296997
This is all your opinion m8 we are talking about government action and forced results.

stay on topic

>>30297047
>I have a confession to make. I'm a liberal.

Why the fuck do you even worry about labeling yourself as your political beliefs?

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>>30295430

Gun control? on the gun board? i dont think the mod allows that!

>>30297047
He was on the list because we treat terrorism in Muslim men like an infectous disease* yes, but your other point is apt. Really it sounds like even if in this particular case he was personally denied, he'd have dad or mom buy it for him.

*Honestly this model isn't wholly wrong, just oversimplistic.

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>>30296895
>hillary presidency
>hillary scalia replacement
>anon v US
>majority opinion- we find this clear violation of the 4th amendment to be totes constitutional eat shit plebs only more equal animals get human rights enumerated in the constitution
>this stays court precedent for 4th amendment issues for 100 years
>this stays court precedent for "sensible restriction" of the bill of rights for 100 years
>mfw

I want off this ride

>it wasnt an AR
>but we are gonna ban all ARs anyways
>meanwhile the ARMALITE AR15 is banned in just about every assault weapons ban ever


i .. what? I dont even.

>>30297063
Because 98% of people who identify as "Liberal" in this great nation and the entire world are awful, disingenuous cancer, and should pretty rightly preclude you from most places and hobbies deemed conservative or anything else because they're sick of their bullshit and how they're constantly trying to destroy and outlaw those places and hobbies.

>>30297060
Partly because this has bern touted by more-bluecollar-than-thou whites though. It's a toxic attitude and a self fulfilling prophecy. Asians from roof koreans to hmong groups love guns. After vtech, no whitey at a show will sell to anyone who looks like they enjoy rice. Kicked allies in the teeth.

>>30295437
>dead kids...dead kids, dead kids Dead kids........dead.....kids
dead fags...trump dead kids.

>>30297085
I kinda can't wait for Hillary to win, just so the GOP can cry itself to sleep for weeks, wishing they'd just have let Gardner take the bench instead of being a bunch of petty and spiteful children over the nomination.

>>30297063
I just want to express the frustration I have with people who are ordinarily my friends. It's like they abandon all their principles when guns are involved, and I'm faced with the choice of siding with conservative bigots or liberal shills for the security state.

>>30297062
As for government actions that I have an issue with?

I have a problem with the government creating a new gender selection just for the non-gender binary crowd. I suppose I don't have any real issue with it as much as I hate to see the government caving to every damn special snowflake group. Especially when we have so much bigger fish to fry.

I also don't like the government mandating how schools must allow trans people to use whichever bathroom they like. I have two issues with this. First, the fact that they threaten to take away school funding which would punish the entire body of students and children far more than it would the administrators is absolutely wrong. Second, these are kids and teenagers who haven't really even developed a sense of self yet.

Do I care what bathroom they use? No. But the government shouldn't be forcing it.

>>30297091
>owning guns is a conservative hobby
You're part of the fucking problem.

>>30295509
define mentally ill please

>>30297116
I feel that same frustration with a lot of my friends. Some lean more liberal, some more conservative. That said I can find reason and faults with both and both sides drive be fucking nuts sometimes with the shit they say.

That's why I stay off of memebook and twitter

>>30295519
then vote for the cunt

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>>30295682
>You'd be equal with all guns banned.
You're cute. Absolutely, utterly, woefully wrong, but cute.

>>30297118
>but the government shouldn't be forcing it
see this is where you should realize you are like one of those overly talkative kids that enters a convo based on some issue you had with it then spew a opinion get reminded it is a opinion and unrelated and then somehow magically say well "I am just saying" in the process of reaffirming what the fuck I was saying.

>>30295430
Holy shit, listen. All their doing is putting it up to a vote, that's all. It won't pass.

>>30297118
>But the government shouldn't be forcing it.
As opposed to the government trying to force it the other way? Which was was prompted the government to 'force' it in the first place. There's nothing wrong with having a problem with government interference into people's lives, but don't be blithely ignorant of it happening in the other way.

>>30296368

Actually, that's pretty good.

Then when the antis vote it down, hammer them with WHY WON'T YOU COMPROMISE?!11

>>30297139
I don't get what your suggesting.

>>30297115

> the actual criminal winning
> ever

0/10

>>30295659
sure your in the right place kid?

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>>30297121
No, I'm not. I am far from a Conservative. Note how I said "Conservative, or anything else." Because the majority is conservative, in guns, specifically, but there's tons who aren't.

Honestly, how many people who are hard-line Dem party liners or anyone who calls themselves a liberal with no irony and no shame own guns? How many of them aren't screaming for gun control right now, in the face of all logic or reason?

They drew their lines in the sand, they kicked people out of the media and their jobs and their lives because of their ideology and hobbies. I don't give a shit. Smoke pot, fuck dudes in the ass, shoot guns, who fucking cares. They're the ones that make everything a moral imperative, and they need to fucking answer for it. It has nothing to do with conservatism, sorry I made the bad wrong move and even mentioned that.

>>30297139
Oh, I fully understand that it goes both ways. I was just addressing how the pendulum has most recently swung.

>>30297035
At least *I* can follow my son into the restroom when I see someone weird walking in after him without upsetting anyone.

You realize that you're literally defending a bald-faced LIE, right? That dude will never be a woman. The way we dress does not determine our sex. The way we think does not determine our sex.

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>Socialist
>Anti-gun

Pick one.

>>30297128
It feels worse because in my mind gun rights should be a liberal cause. If you are for equality and justice you should not be promoting the monopoly of violence, especially for a state that acts like a private army for the rich and powerful.

I suppose that's the difference between a revolutionary and a Tankie though.

>>30297148
>>30296368
The NRA won't allow compromises like that, even ones that would benefit gun owners. They profit off the the tension remember. Every time the gun grabbers raise a fuss, they get to sell lots of shit to the panicking hoarders.

>>30297116
This shit drives me up the fucking wall. Being under 40 and liking guns and rights in general. I know your pain.

>>30297045
Where did I say I was voting for Trump? Your delusional brain just stuffed that right in there.

>>30297198
lol, you're voting for trump

>>30297164
I don't get the implications you two are agreeing on are you saying that the government was at one time forcing anti tranny culture and or that was a bad thing?

>>30295804
You do realize that toddlers have been put on the no fly list before, right? And Senators?

That list is total bullshit.

>>30297212
I am voting for trump m8

because the slowing of the browning of America and unmitigated illegal immigration is the MOST important issue we face any one denying this is a liberal or a shit skin.

>>30297186
You want buck angel going in behind your daughter then? That's what you're pushing for.

>>30295818
>banning things is the answer
statist/10

>>30296983
creepy women who are pedophiles should receive the same treatment as creepy men, 14th fucking amendment, no goddamned protection allowed

>>30297220
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html

The liberals already blew their own narrative

>>30295794
closer to300 m8

Don't you gunfags realise it is your own autism that's killing you? Jesus I'm not even American and frankly I don't give a shit about whether you are allowed guns or not, but can't you see all this opposition to moderate control is harming you?

Rather than treating gun ownership as a hobby and recreational event, you autists circlejerk around your "muh 2nd amendment", and refuse to support any and all legislation, even sensible ones like denying FUCKING TERRORISTS access to weapons. So instead of a prime chance to reach a compromise and convince librals that your hobby at the weekend in a remote range away from the general population is perfectly OK, you insist on throwing your toy out of the pram and claim that owning a gun is somehow a universal human right. All this just gives them more things to attack you with.

And face it, you are already losing. Even the GOP will sell you out for votes, see Trump. If you keep this up, soon not even recreational use of gun will be available to you. And honestly I will be saddened if that happens, because quite frankly some of the arguments I've seen for complete denial of ownership is absurd, and I too, would be upset if idiots came and tried to take away my favourite pasttime.

>>30297313
"Moderate control" literally never leads to anything except "strict control". A little background check here, a bit of waiting periods there, a ban list now and then, and it just keeps going on and on and on. It's been a downhill slide all over the world, and the US has been no exception.
So yeah, we're going to fight tooth and nail to keep it exactly where it is, because it never gets lighter.

>>30297313
>already losing

gun rights weakened across the country for the last decade

wew lad your not reading the score right

>>30297153
The government stepping in to force people to accept trans and gay people has frequently prompted by people campaigning to exclude those groups. And one type of government interference in people's lives should no more acceptable than the other.

But when it's doing it to secure freedoms for a group, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

>>30297313
Compromise is the word used in every major gun control bill passed in the past 100 years.
But we never seem to get anything back for these "compromises".
"We take these rights and leave you with those rights until we feel like taking some of them" is not and has never been a compromise.

>>30297159
The pandering flip-flopping bigot winning
Whoever wins, America loses.

>>30297341
NO m8 excluding groups that don't objectively belong there is not a problem it was never ok for other genders to pretend to be another and use said bathrooms if you could pass you were getting away with it now this takes away the right of private citizens and or private business from enforcing their own bathroom rules.

>>30297313
Have you even read the thread?

Who is a "terrorist"? In a decade it could literally be anyone who speaks negatively on online forums about the current party in power.

>>30297334
>slippery slope

If you throw them a bone, and maybe keep out the terrorists and the mentally ill from owning guns, then maybe there won't be any more mass shootings and librals wouldn't have any more reason to go after your guns. Despite what no-guns say, anyone with any intelligence realise that these mass shooting events are caused by a small minority, and if the majority of you lot are just willing to work with the librals to root out these trouble makers you would be in a much better position.

>>30297340
Don't believe me, fine.

>>30297341
NO one was campaigning they were continuing the literal tradition that has existed since we decided to gendered bathrooms m8

This is not new m8 the government is the one that made a law addressing a social norm.

to say anything else is disingenuous

>>30297334
>>30297340
>>30297355
Examples of where gun control fails like in South Korea are the way to go, not this fanatical look at the constitution like it were an American Quran and everything it says is set in stone. Just because it's an amendment doesn't mean it isn't subject to change. Explaining why it shouldn't change is better.

>>30297368
Exactly this. The issue isn't passible transmen and transwomen using the bathroom of which they identified.

The issue is exactly as this anon stated. Stripping private citizens and businesses from the ability to regulate themselves and their own policies.

>>30297313
M8

The watch lists are name only with no other identifying info.
If Bob Johnson of New York makes a threat, bob johnson of south dakota gets cucked as well.
You want to fight it to get your rights back? Have fun spending five years in court just to get the government to acknowledge you are on the list, and aren't even the guy they want to watch.

If this shit gets in, prepare for it to be expanded to extend to all rights, not just gun rights, and those in charge of the list will seek to use it to their advantage to remove opponents form the playing field.

>>30297392
Then maybe you should be campaigning against that instead?

If we have a credible terroism watchlist, then personally I don't see why members of said list should be able to enjoy the same rights as everyone else, and yes that includes owning a weapon.

>>30297398
your simply wrong m8.

they don't want you to have any guns m8
we have no responsibility to do shit and neither can you all without un achievable support lol

>>30297398
It's not a slippery slope when we've got a century's worth of precedent.
It's blatant fact that no compromise has ever been made. Rights are eroded and that's the end of it. Sometimes they're only eroded a little bit, and other times it's huge chunks. But they're never returned or given exceptions.

>>30297406
Explain why he 14th amendment should not change and why niggers should not stop killing before we revoke it,

>>30297406
This change isn't going to be any different than any of the other changes made in our lifetimes, the lifetimes of our parents, and the lifetimes of our grandparents and "it might not be a complete take with no give!" is not a good argument for it.

>>30297417
Campaign against the list? I don't want to become a terrorist.

http://www.thepolemicist.net/2013/01/the-rifle-on-wall-left-argument-for-gun.html

>‘Cause, guess what: You’re not fooling anybody. When your discourse reeks with intellectual and moral disdain for gun-rights and gun-rights advocates, when it never endorses, and indeed at best studiously avoids, the issue of gun ownership as a fundamental political right, it shows. And it certainly shows when you say outright that you’d love to confiscate all guns, no matter how you try to waffle on that later. Despite what’s implied in the ever-present disdain, gun rights advocates are not, ipso facto, stupid (or violent, or crazy), and certainly not too stupid to see where you’re heading. So let’s stop gaslighting gun-rights supporters as paranoid when they state what they see:

>>30297431
THIS
is anyone going to ask the liberal to defend the 14th amendment when it has undoubtly lead to more deaths an assaults than gun rights?

>inb4 its a constitutional right

lol