40k shit

>Heresy era Space Wolves led by Russ himself

Fuck no

>>30279649
Yes. They simply have to talk to him about wolves.

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>>30279649
I call in my backup

>>30279696
Sorry, I meant just Russ himself against a paratroop regiment

>>30279707
kek, that wouldn't work on 30k Spess Wolves, in fact that would probably just piss them off more.

I assume if we just talk about love of our country and our will to fight, we get a pass from somebody who should be far into the future.

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>>30279649

>>30279743
Oh. In that case... No, but we'll longer than 4 seconds

make him take enough armor saves and he'll die


I used to literally suffocate people with las gun saves with my giant imperial guard meat grinder list. you damn right im gonna make you roll 200 armor saves on 3 space marines

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>>30279864
>I used to literally suffocate people with las gun saves with my giant imperial guard meat grinder list. you damn right im gonna make you roll 200 armor saves on 3 space marines

kekerino, that's the sole reason I never got into IG, that and all the fucking painting

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I just finished reading A Thousand Sons. I'm gonna say: "Nope."

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>>30279864
That's devilish

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>>30279649
Mary Sue comes across the battlefield?

>>30279864
Lore-wise, a lasgun is equivalent in stopping power to a Browning M2. That should give you some idea of how hilariously OP everything in 40k is, and how badly a primarch would fuck up a modern military.

Russ is a faggot who got beaten by a fucking rage induced 5deep7u spartacus rip off.

Russ a shit. Slap him with like a SMAW or something or call in CAS on his ass then got some poor asswipe to shovel some dirt on his red stain.

>>30280073
You're missing two.

>>30280108
So was each primarch. AYYYYY!

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>>30280108
Shhh
We're not supposed to talk about them

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>>30280073
Sanguinius is the best primarch and fuck anyone who says otherwise.

>>30279649
You do realize the topical strength of plasteel that is made up for 90% of their wares is less effective than abram armor right?

A 50cal will go through it like it's not even titanium. Writers are fucking stupid.

>>30279864
Explain this to me.

I know of Warhammer 40k but not how you play it.

>>30280171
Each time a unit gets shot, they roll a dice for their armour save. If they roll high enough (3+ in the case of a space marine) their armour stops it. If they roll below it, they die. He's basically throwing hundreds of low-powered attacks at a tough unit until it becomes a mathematical certainty that one of them is going to do the job.

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>>30280092
Someone let the NERRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDD in

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>>30280153
Only three you can trust are Dorn, Khan, and Sanguinis.

>>30280934
Idk man, Vulkan seems pretty bro tier to me

>>30280240
Russ has more than one wound though, so you're using a different mechanic to kill him. That being chip damage.

>>30279696

Ditto

No Russ was by far the best. He was the most personable Primarch, he did his own thing as opposed to being a kiss ass, he was the most well liked due to being a bro, and per cannon, was the best fighter, only being bested by the Emperor himself. For most of these same reasons, that's why Grimnar is the most well liked Chapter Master and was chosen to lead the Imperials in the 13th Crusade

>>30281072
>and per cannon, was the best fighter, only being bested by the Emperor himself.
>Get bitch slapped by a Lion and fall unconscious on the ground.

Sure is a best fighter there.

>>30279649
Finally, the reinforcements are here!

>>30279649
Arthas did nothing wrong!

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>>30281072
Nah m8. The deadliest primarchs were Angron, Horus and Sanguinius. Sanguinius was the most loved of all the primarchs as he was the closest in temperament to the Emperor. He also fought Angron during the siege of terra and noticeably didn't lose, while angron beat Russ in a fight they had before the heresy occurred.

Plus the only primarch that Horus feared was Sanguinius, which is why he tried to have him eliminated so early on.

>>30280992
Then why didn't he make it to Terra?

theyre just here to reunite the lost tribes of man. dont shoot at them or theyll get mad. just pledge your loyalty, lay back, and let it happen. shhhh shhhh.

>>30280267
I feel sad for magnus. He was only trying to help and he fucked up beyond imagination.

>>30281356
He was imprisoned by Curze after the drop site massacre and later on made his way to the Imperium Secundus.

>>30280082
>Lore-wise, a lasgun is equivalent in stopping power to a Browning M2
The M2 is actually in the game and is S4, not strength 3

>>30280073
>Leman Russ
kek

>>30279649
I guess I'd drop CAS on him because he's now in my realm of existence and bound to rules which instruct these.

As fun as underdog vs. bic bois is things that are stupid overpowered vs. things that aren't is boring in the case of modern day vs. 40k.

Or maybe I don't know how to have fun.

>>30280156
>SM power armor
>plasteel
>most common
>plasteel

>>30280934
Are those supposed to be recruits?

>>30280934
The Emperor trusted Leman Russ above all the rest, even Horus

>>30281309
Vulkan was probably the closest in temperament to the emperor, seeing as he fought, and learned at the emperor's side in secret for decades before ever joining his legion

bamp

>>30282079
And the Salamanders are one of the bro-tier chapters.

>>30282363
Yeah, melting people with flamers, meltas and volkite weapons is real bro tier

>>30279649
He's too stupid to wear a helmet, so yes. Concussive force does horrible things to unprotected heads.

>>30282424
Space Wolves don't wear helmets for a reason

>>30282424
1. I don't think any of the Primarchs wear helmets
b. Helmets weaken the spess wolves sight, hearing and smell, they are more effective without them

>>30279649
No there is no hope, US paratroopers are hilariously lightly armed. If they had a nice airborne tank like a 2S25, it would be a different story.

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>>30282577
>2S25

>>30279649
Army colonel only controls a battalion, not regiment(usually headed by a brigadier)

With enough resources and proper tactics, you could defeat a space marine, so I'd imagine beating a primarch would take more resources than an average space marine

>>30282581
>125mm cannon is no better than an M4A1
You're right having a cannon makes no difference at all.

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>>30279649
>just crash your gliders into it, the tanks they carry to the battle field at no logistics cost would crush it.

Just shoot him in the head, as most of these retards refuse to wear helmets

>>30280934
What's happening here?

Shit, I thought I'd clicked a thread in the /tg/ tab I have open, I was confused as fuck when I saw /k/ at the top of the thread

Probably just tell everyone to shoot themselves, russ was a crazy fucker who killed the 2nd or 3rd most powerful psyker who ever lived with nothing but raw strength.

>>30282771
this

>>30279864
But that giant blob can't really kill off too many space marines. After all the math, 200 shots would only barely wipe a tactical squad. And with all the new toys from formations, blob guard is not the best way to go.

Which bucks because I'd totally get into it if it wasn't so pricy. Skitarii will have to do.

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Barring a direct hit to the brain with some kind of RPG, I'm pretty sure I don't have anything at my disposal that would take down a primarch. So in the last few moments of my life I relay orders to get all available aircraft into the air and hope that they get to him before he fucks off into an urban center. At least Russ uses a power sword and isn't a complete psycho, so our deaths should be mostly quick and painless.

>>30280156
Nigger you're on /k/. I'm guessing you're referencing the Baneblade armor stats. The statement that Baneblade's composite armor is equal to 300mm of plasteel is about RHAe. Where did you asspull that information?

>>30281681
nope, they are the catamites for this evenings reverse poor lil white boy session

>>30281681
>>30282798
It's the Blood Angels initiation - fresh meat has to drink a mouthful of Sanguinius' own blood (which they cultivate in hearts of their Sanguinary Priests). Space Marine blood is poisonous for normies as it is, and Primarch blood is that turned up to 11. But if recruit manages to survive drinking it it proves that:
1. He was blessed by Emperor himself to join the ranks of His angels of death.
2. He is genetically compatible to receive Blood Angels progenoids, and thus actually has chances of living through the gen-med procedures that make a normie into an Astartes.

>raise the banner of the God emprah
>remove heretics

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>>30283176
Best answer right here

>>30279649


If they don't have orbital support (please don't have orbital support) space marines are surprisingly vulnerable to artillery barrages. They have missile launchers for taking out helicopters but can't do jack shit about high caliber shells, even with power armor.

Unsurprisingly, the best way to deal with a primarch in 30k tabletop is to drown him in S8/9 shots

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Just how large of an Imperial Guard force would be required to fuck-up the world's militaries and subdue it?

How does IG equipment (for guardsmen, as well as vehicles) stack up?

>>30283681


The competency of the guard varies wildly. Some are legitimate soldiers that actually understand tactics, strategy and logistics while others make Soviet infantry tactics look viable.

So it really depends but overall their tech advantage can swing in their favor depending on what they bring.

>>30283696
How about comparing, say, Cadians, Vostroyans, and Kriegers? If you have the time, anyway, I don't really want to ask too much; it doesn't have to be something way over the top as far as comprehensiveness goes.

>>30283730


All of the above are probably above normal Earth troops in terms of individual morale and coordination, even Kriegers who are suicidally dependable.

Kasrkins, grenadiers and stormtroopers are easily on par if not better than JSOC but with substantially better gear and vehicles.

It's not quite a stomp as space marines versus Earth but every piece of equipment in a GOOD guard regiment is just incrementally better than a normal Earth battalion and the soldiers themselves measure up to standard, usually.

>>30283770
So, then, what would be a shit Guard regiment, aside from the penal legions?

I figured Cadians & Vostroyans were well-above average, but Krieger tactics seem very outdated (provided they don't have enough artillery to BTFO everything in a massive radius).

>>30283782
Who can say really.

because even if you're better than some backwater bumpkin regiment, they'll drown you in bodies before you can even dent them.

>>30283782


Kriegers are outdated but they can fight for real when they want to, usually with enormous armored pushes. Their trench warfare stuff is usually forced on them.

A bad regiment or world would be the Valhallans, who are just human wave tactics or any of the dime a dozen no name regiments that make up the billions of men in the Imperial Guard. They would still have respectable vehicles and air assets (assuming the navy was there in some form, otherwise how'd they get here) but wouldn't necessarily have the C&C of a real military. Think if you gave Italy or some African or Arabic nation a bunch of 40k gear.

>>30283681
Guard lasguns are pretty great to have. They can sever limbs and are a logistical dream thanks to their solar-powered ammo packs.

Their body armor is great by today's standards, too. It can stop a round from a heavy stubber (.50 cal) just as easily as from an autopistol.

Before you add in artillery, armored and air support, the rank and file guardsmen are very well equipped. As far as training and tactics go, that depends entirely on the regiment.

>>30283681
>implying the guard would assault holy terra
sounds like heresy m8

>>30283808
Ah. Think I am beginning to see how that would go. An initial push by such a regiment would be quite powerful, but, after a while, it would run out of steam pretty quickly.

>>30283809
So, basically, you would need either heavy weapons or have to throw a fuckton of rounds at them to do much damage even to their infantry?

>>30283826
>implying they wouldn't be saving Holy Terra from the Slaaneshi heresy that is taking hold right now

>>30283839
>implying chaos could take hold on Holy Terra.
Horus pls go

>>30283809
>Guard lasguns
Shit, take the most feudal regiment in the guard, the kind of fuckers with laser muskets and shit, and you'd still probably have a better equipped force than the muhreens when you consider armor and airpower.

>>30283847
Then we must not live on Holy Terra.

What is the coolest IG regiment and why is the Elysian drop troops

>>30283834


Well their advantage would be suddenly showing up in orbit with several million troops all ready to fight while nobody here would be fully mobilized. Even if we assumed they were the bad regiments and did their usual "land 100km from a city and start steam rolling in its direction" they'll probably have the momentum to just get through.


However, they die to nukes as well as any other human so fuck em.

As far as flak armor goes, it's quite good but definitely not impenetrable nor all covering. Plain small arms and machine guns will do fine against them.

>>30283839
>Slaaneshi heresy that is taking hold right now
kek. Now that you mention it.. head tentacles and a giant lobster claw would suit Clinton pretty well.

>>30283834
Pretty much. Flak armor is great by today's standards. Cadians wear helmets and full body armor with shoulder plates. I guess the arms and legs are just as vulnerable as anyone else's.

Their tonks are crazy dependable too. Their engines can run on anything that burns while their front armor is unlike anything we have. Their artillery is legendary and can keep eldritch horrors and super-advanced xenos at bay.

>>30281410
He was also kinda dead....a few times!
>killed at Isavan V
>killed repeatedly by Conrad
>teleported away from Conrad
>Falls to Ultramar from orbit
>dies several times chasing Conrad around Ultramar
>stabbed in the chest with a spear
>body thrown into a volcano
>rises from the ashes
>The other Primarchs are all "hurr why didnt you and your legion of five surviving Astartes come to Terra?"
>>30282056
wrong. Horus was his favored son. This is a major plot point.
>>30279649
Any of the loyalists come at me and I lay down arms and pledge my loyalty to them n the Empraahhhh

>>30283808
Valhallans do not use human wave tactics. Hell the IG doesnt use human wave tactics. But when you are faced with the Nids, Necrons, Chaos, Tau, eldar and Orks who are runnng over you, ot might seem like they are.
Read the Commisar Ciaphas Cain series, he works within the Valhallan units and describes their tactics.

>>30279649
Another primarch gone rogue and setting foot on Terra? Even if this furry fucking shit manages to penetrate Terra's orbital defences, he'll get BTFO by the PDF, Imperial fists and adeptes custodes. So i'd just sit back since he doesnt exist in our universe :^)

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>>30283933
There is one particular general in the Valhallan command that does use human wave tactics though.

>>30283933


The special rule for the Valhallans character HQ is that he can bring destroyed units back onto the field from your own table edge

AKA he just throws more men at it

>>30279649

He's moving almost too fast to see, his flesh let alone his armour is impervious to most of the small arms we could hit him with, assuming of course you could actually hit him. His sidearm wont inflict wounds, it'll be death and he doesn't miss, he can literally trample niggas to death - practically without noticing - who get in the way of him killing more niggas. The only thing you could hope for would be try to drown him in artillery and even that won't work too good. You're fucked, we're fucked, everybodies fucked, especially considering his unique job was to destroy any primarchs who needed it (the two unknown legions.)

The only hope is to kneel and beg mercy, and hope you've not done something to warrant his ire.
>I mean, I suppose you could nuke him but I wouldn't hold out too much hope of that achieving much unless you essentially centred the blast on him.

>>30284013
Leman Russ did not destroy the other two legions.
Evidence in the HH series suggests:
>there was a trial of at least one of the missing primarchs
>at least one of the legions was absorbed by the Ultramarines
>at least one legion was dismantled and made into chapters
>The Emps had many regrets over this
>the Primarchs were very upset about this as well.
I speculate that one of the missing were placed in the Deathwatch vault in stasis perhaps along with his legion.
The Emprahh was able to see the future up to the point of the Heresey when Chaos intentionally blocked him on that. He was known for hedging his bets, so it is entirely possible the theories around the two missing primarchs are a red herring to throw Chaos off. Think about it, they took part in the crusade for about 200 years, but their entire history is gone, like they never existed, with only the Primarchs knowing about them, but being sworn to speak of them even among one another.

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>>30283808
>>30283933
>>30283958
>>30283966
Chenkov is absent from the current IG codex and his ebin achievements are no longer canon. Valhallan Ice Warriors currently stand among the most competent regiments of the Imperial Guard. Whoever tries to prove otherwise is a heretical agent attempting to erode prestige of the Hammer of the Emperor, and must be reported to Imperial authorities immediately.

Inquisitorial reaction teams are currently on their way towards the traced locations of repeated slanderers ITT, please stand by and await your just judgement.

>>30280082

Wrong. The M2 is the "heavy stubber" and is mounted on IG tanks.

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>>30279649
yiff yiff

>>30284319
So who's this genestealer

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>>30284251
True.

If compared to contemporary 7.62x51mm armaments (say, M16), a traditional Kantrael pattern lasgun will have significantly higher accuracy, stopping power and effective range, while seriously losing in penetrative ability and, of course, lacking a full-auto option.

More important difference would lie in logistics, as all Imperial Infantryman lasguns use unified interchangeable powerpacks which can be recharged almost indefinitely using ubiquitous STC-compatible power outlets, and provide an Imperial Infantryman with a LOT more ammunition for the same weight compared to contemporary gunpowder ammo.

>>30279725
OOOH he's got the bantz.

>>30279649
You could shoot him in the head.

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>>30282771

>>30284348
I thought all lasgun patterns had a full auto option. The gaunts ghost and ciaphas cain novels have em, and they take place on complete opposite sides of the galaxy.

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>>30280153
>Ferrus Manus
You mean Frank Castle, right?

>>30284455


It depends on the pattern of las gun. Many lasguns have semi auto and burst modes but no full auto, while some have genuine full auto and others are semi auto only.

It's all over the place. Hellguns have been depicted as being "full auto" (it's more like a continuous pulse) in basically all media.

>>30279649
>Call SDM
>Tell him to aim for the head
and done

>>30284455
>I thought all lasgun patterns had a full auto option
They all have burst-fire, but very few patterns have full-auto since
>OVERHEAT

And then we have hellguns and hot-shot lasguns, which are an entire different class.

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I don't know why people assume measurement in 40k can be transfer to real life. Yes it's the writer fault for using numbers they don't know anything about , but
>leman russ tank fought against:
>ancient high tech laser used by one of the oldest race in the galaxy
>plasma welding weebo
>giant robot with canon the size of cities
>pure magic and other nonsense shit
and it come out on top most of the time, if used by a competent commander
meanwhile a fucking abrams can't even survive a giant home made bomb made by sandniggers, and it can't even penetrate its own armor
what the fuck make you think an abrams will beat any thing in warhammer 40k?

>>30283854

It's their on crack cousins the Harakoni Warhawks.

>>30284348

more accuracy? maybe.

But the guardsman holding those guns can't aim for shit.

Neither can their tanks or other equipment.

IG vehicles may have more firepower than modern vehicles, but they are much slower and fire control is much worse.

A Leman Russ would not do that well against an M1A2.

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>>30279649

I would make TACP call in an entire A10 squadron.

>>30284941
hopefully they're better armed than the ones in that pic

>>30280934
what is going on in that artwork's scene?

>>30284936
>But the guardsman holding those guns can't aim for shit.
Most of them had more training than an average US Army grunt. Their mediocre results might have something to do with the context - I don't think that an average US Army grunt would perform very well against an endless horde of reality-denying mind-shredding daemons from Literal Hell who are here to rip his body and feast on his soul.

>but they are much slower
Nah

> fire control is much worse
You've seen the insides of a Lem Russ?

>A Leman Russ would not do that well against an M1A2.
It's true that M1A2 could fuck up a Leman Russ with some luck, but then again an IS-3 can also fuck up an M1A2 with some luck as well.

>>30284962
see
>>30283166

>>30284418
>hurr durr muh invincible skull

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>>30284936
>A Leman Russ would not do that well against an M1A2

>>30285036
>A tank? HA! Just shoot it in the driver hatch!
>A jet? HA! Just shoot it in the cockpit!
>A bunker? HA! Just shoot it in the firing port!
And so anon has proven anyone that every threat ever can be easily dealt with using nothing but your trusty M16 - you just gotta aim for the weak spot!

>>30284936


Leman Russes are legitimately slow for a MBT but their displayed defense capabilities in fluff vary between a bit better than a modern tank to absurdly strong. This can be chalked up to inconsistent quality and the fact that some leman Russes will be made out of exotic 40k materials while others would be put together like 1937 T34s

One of the most ridiculous feats of a leman russ was one that got hit on the side and was skidded several feet by the impact without actually being penetrated.

And then you have leman russes being ripped open by space marines using their bare hands. It's a wash.

The normal battle cannon is respectable, the vanquisher cannon is actually a fairly good AP weapon

>>30285077
>a fleshy exposed part which happens to house the most important vitals, even for spez muhreens
ok

>>30285099
>And then you have leman russes being ripped open by space marines using their bare hands
To be fair - a space marine in power armour is well above an industrial crane in terms of applied strength. And tank armor is made to withstand penetrations, not rippings - it's relatively weak to those, in fact..

>>30285017

> Nah
Yes they are much slower. Leman Russ on TT moves about as fast as a man can run. Very optimistically that's 30 KPH if the man is Usain Bolt. Modern MBT's all go at 60 KPH+, they would qualify as "fast vehicles" in 40k. All of the literature describes Leman Russ as a fairly slow tank.

> You've seen the insides of a Lem Russ?

Inferiority of fire control can be inferred from 3 accuracy, as well as rules that state the tank can't shoot the main gun if it's moving faster than walking speed. That shows the gun is either un-stabilized (the tank stops then shoots), or stabilized very poorly. Compare that to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2mcO6l-0cY

> It's true that M1A2 could fuck up a Leman Russ with some luck, but then again an IS-3 can also fuck up an M1A2 with some luck as well.

Diagrams of a Russ shows the front armor is actually very thin, and it's full of seams and weak-spots. I doubt it would be immune to modern APFSDS.

>>30285077
>>30285120
Don't they have on their armor those holy relics which protects users from any kind of damage? Like Master chief from halo

>>30285145
Those are more against magic (chaos lel), not normal weaponry

>>30285145
Yes, they called rosarius
They generate force shields when any kind of impact is near the user
They are really rare though

>>30285131


In fluff Russes are fairly slow but not walking pace, 40km/h or so is pretty normal. They're displayed firing on the move at a decent pace on decent terrain with acceptable accuracy. An Abrams with a normal crew would be BS:3 as well for TT terms.

>diagrams

Those diagrams also show land raiders having as much armor as a Bradley and those things survive being nuked.

Russes can definitely be as shit as any Soviet era tank or they can be legit far future tanks depending on who made them and with what materials.

>>30279649

Everybody shooting at one guy? There's enough M855 to get the job done.

>>30285120
For once - Codex Astartes does not support this action. It forbids them to enter battle without donning their helmets. But more importantly - artworks of space marines going into battle bare-headed that we see in rulebooks and codices is supposed taken as be IN-UNIVERSE art, created by Imperial artists. It's not supposed to portray them "realistically".

> Leman Russ on TT moves about as fast as a man can run
Most contemporary tanks advance through rough terrain barely faster than this. Just because they CAN doesn't mean they realistically DO move at those speeds outside highways. And even in tabletop (which is not a good source of direct measurements) a Leman Russ can go Flat Out, making it move twice as fast as an Infantry unit can run.

>Inferiority of fire control can be inferred from 3 accuracy
Which is around the modern MBT tank weapon accuracy, limited by human factor.
> the tank can't shoot the main gun if it's moving faster than walking speed
12" per turn is infantry's running speed, not walking speed. And I'd like to see modern tanks firing accurately when moving at >40km/h.
And it can shoot - but only for Snap Shots, which is realistic - you ain't gonna hit shit with modern tanks when firing at their top speed. It's just the Battle Cannon (as all other template weapons) can't be used to fire Snap Shots due to balance reasons.

>Diagrams of a Russ shows the front armor is actually very thin, and it's full of seams and weak-spots. I doubt it would be immune to modern APFSDS.
Source.

>>30285211

Most people don't appreciate how accurate modern weapons are.

At the recent tank contest in europe, even the T-72M4 got something like 65% accuracy against moving targets. Leopard 2's and Abrams were all in the 80% accuracy range.

BS: 3 is 50% accuracy, or the accuracy of a guy with a rifle, using iron sights.

I remember in one of the IG books, I think one of the Gaunt ones, that a Russ was trading shots with a chaos vehicle at <1000 m and missing a bunch of shots. 1000 meters is point blank range for modern tanks.

40k vehicles are WW2 vehicles on crack, not evolutions of modern equipment.

Shaped charges, all day erryday.

Most people don't understand that the shitty explosion and frag of the crappy 1970s RPG insurgents love is a side-effect of the main effort - explosively forging a Mach 27 solid metal bolt injected into the target at point blank.

That's "only" 5x the speed of a railgun. It's so massively hypersonic, armor hardness becomes irrelevant and penetration is modeled hydro-dynamically.

>>30285264
>At the recent tank contest in europe
TANK BIATHLON IS ON NO WAY AN ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF ACTUAL COMBAT ACTION

>>30285303
Yeah. IRL, an Abrams gunner who gets less than 100% accuracy on qualification tables is seconds away from being fired.

>>30285265
>That's "only" 5x the speed of a railgun. It's so massively hypersonic, armor hardness becomes irrelevant and penetration is modeled hydro-dynamically.
it's also so dependent on precise focus of the stream that a couple of inches of Armor-grade Air rend it useless.

>>30285264
>BS: 3 is 50% accuracy, or the accuracy of a guy with a rifle, using iron sights.
You are forgetting that IRL tanks use help of other spotters, targeting systems and the like. Outfitting a Leman Russ with a Tank Ace makes it a BS4, and using Orders and reroll bonuses raises it's actual accuracy to 60-80%.

>>30285324
This.

Missing an entire engagement on table 6 practically dooms the crew.

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>>30283681
As others have said, it depends on the regiment. Cadians, Valhallans, Kriegers and similar regiments would completely wipe the floor against any comparable Earth force.
But they are still mortal men and while their equipment is superior to what we have, it's not impenetrable. So it's not like they'd win everytime. Regiments where they basically kidnap tribals, sleep teach them Low Gothic, give them lasguns and a crash course on it's usage, or poorer penal battalions would get rekt.

>>30284936
The Leman Russ outclasses the Abrams in armor and most likely firepower though. 1 on 1 they'd win most of the time.

>>30285131
They are slow though, that's true. It's most likely GW being retarded with numbers, but it can also be argued that they don't need to be fast. Their primary role is supporting infantry against massed enemies. When half of the enemies you face use literal swarm tactics or/and take several high powered shots to take down, speed is pretty meh.

>>30284013
Now this is on the other spectrum of wankfest. Sure, Primarchs are ridiculously overpowered. They have shrugged off light weapons barrages that would kill a normal man 10 times over, getting shot by a giant, poison tipped needle in the eye, direct shots from tanks, artillery barrages and even getting stomped on by a Warhound Titan. But all of these things only got one chance and then the Primarch made sure it was also the last chance. Any Army geared towards killing a Primarch and disregarding collateral damage would eventually take him down. So if it was only Russ rampaging around, he'd get killed pretty quickly. Relatively speaking.

>>30285265
Also this. Barring void shields, 40k lacks any real defense against shaped charges. Most anti armor equipment is HE and that's their primary concern. Weapons that work by penetrating armor, like melta charges, lascannons, railguns and power weapons for instance, are so ridiculously strong that it's useless to even try to defend against them.

>>30285197
>They are really rare though
A Primarch would be rocking one for sure.

>>30279649
Toss him a bone.

Problem solved.

>>30279649
>tfw you can just call in the rain of 155 fire since you're the goddamn Colonel
>tfw you can call CAS too

'Arty guys, this is paratroop colonel actual, fire mission, over'
'Paratroop Colonel actual this is Arty guys, send it, over'

40k stuff is OP as hell - but a shit load of 155 fire is something that is harrowing to your very soul, but gives you a huge boner at the same time.

Depending on how fast the Ary guys could get on target I'd give it an honest 50/50

>>30280240

>All it takes is one lucky shot
>so I'm going to keep shooting till I get lucky

>>30285503
>Depending on how fast the Ary guys could get on target I'd give it an honest 50/50

How fast can a Primarch move? Normal Astartes according to the Lore are supposed to be able to keep up with Elday who often move so fast human eyes struggle to follow them. Russ could be among your men before you finished calling in that mission.

>>30285575
>with Elday
Eldar, damn it.

>>30283166
you forgot the fun part where after drinking the blood they fall into a coma for a year and are locked inside a coffin where their bodies are pumped full of various stuff

and some wake up too soon and go insane due to well being locked inside a coffin

>>30285120
Their bones have been hardened as part of their genetic modifications and chemical treatments / supplements. Shooting him in the head is about as good as shooting a modern soldier in his level 4 plate; that is to say actually not very effective if your rifle is a peashooter. 5.56 rifles are peashooters.

>>30285709
>what are explosives, overpressure and schrapnel

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>>30284348
>If compared to contemporary 7.62x51mm armaments (say, M16)

>>30285784
I know I dun fucked up and I am embarrassed.
I'm from an ex-Soviet country and not used to Western calibers.
Please don't bully.

>friendly reminder that the Imperial Navy is the real workhorse of the IoM, not those roid raging retards

>>30285909
>friendly reminder Rogue traders have the sickest jobs in the universe

>>30285949
For sure
>Live like a literal king
>can do mostly whatever the fuck you want
>can fugg qt xenos
>can have motley crew of the galaxy's most badass fighters
>can fugg qt xenos

>>30283117

There was an old Forgeworld book that had stats for the Leman Russ as well, that's what we usually argue about on /tg/

>>30283117
>At least Russ uses a power sword and isn't a complete psycho

Russ was pretty fucking psycho, sources claim he had a psychotic glint in his eye

>>30283854

>Elysian

They're pretty baller, but that still doesn't spell Steel Legion

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>>30286041
Literally who?

>>30283910
>wrong. Horus was his favored son. This is a major plot point

Horus was the favorite son, but Russ was trusted with responsibilites far beyond what Horus was. Both the Emperor and Malcador trusted Russ to act as their secret police and to put the smack down on any other Primarch and legion that got out of hand.

So is there a reason for everything and everyone in the 40k universe being absolute autistic OP bullshit or is it all like when you were kids in kindergarten doing everything to not die in pretend fights
>I have a gun and I shoot you with it!
>Well I have a anti gun armor, take that!
>Fine, I have a tank and I shoot you with it!
>Nooooooooo, my armor is anti tank too
>how bout I slap your shit you fucking cunt
>MOOOOOOOOOOM

>>30286070
Take warhammer fantasy. it's over the top

Now make warhammer fantasy, but in space. now you must go more over the top.
Doesn't help that GW had some of the worst writers that overshadowed the good.

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>>30286062
>Trust
Thats not trust
Thats knowing that one of your sons doesn't care about hurting his brothers. Relishes it. Wont do it without Dad saying its cool.

If you had two or three kids, youd beat some sense into that son. When you have twenty, you use him like a mob enforcer.

>>30286070
Because it was invented by nerds who got beat up in school

>>30284108
Wow, way to cherry pick the lore faggot. There are many many many references to Leman Russ being the reason why there are only 18 legions when the HH starts. One of the best examples is in one of the novels (Outcast Dead IIRC) one of the traitors says "the Wolves will be unleashed again if we are discovered", and Vulkan himself muses that Russ' purpose was to keep the Primarchs in line

>>30286105
IDK senpai, when the HH broke out and none of the Primarch's loyalty were certain (other than Horus, Fulgrim, Angron and Morty who already announced their treason), they turned to Russ to determine the loyalty of all the others. Even Sanguinius' loyalty was uncertain and Russ dispatched a large group of Space Wolves to "monitor" Sangy

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>>30286024
But he kills to win, not like Curze, Angron or Fulgrim that would make sure your last moments are spent screaming while you're holding in your guts with the stump of your arms.

>>30286070
They probably made Space Marines (or whichever faction was first) retardedly OP and instead of dialing it down, they just dialed everyone else up too.

>>30286115
Nah, it was confirmed that when Russ speaks to that human about this not being the first time Marine fights a Marine was about Russ and Angron clashing. And that was Russ being a stuck up asshole, it wasn't on the Emperor's orders. It's not known who killed the Legions, if they were even killed at all, but it wasn't Marines.

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>>30286203
>Nah, it was confirmed that when Russ speaks to that human about this not being the first time Marine fights a Marine was about Russ and Angron clashing. And that was Russ being a stuck up asshole, it wasn't on the Emperor's orders. It's not known who killed the Legions, if they were even killed at all, but it wasn't Marines.

Holy fuck do you even read the lore? This is so wrong on every single fucking point

>>30286070
stuff like The Culture is way more OP yet no one whines about it

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>>30285490
>>30279649

it's simple

I'm p sure an AR semi automatic rifle could land a head shot on one of those arrogant NO-HELMET SPEEEEECE MUREEHNNS.

Its pretty nutty for them to walk around with no helmet. I thought laser rifles were like akin to 50 cals and could maim even if its a near miss.

I'm p sure one of those stupid space marine charges could be put down by well aimed shots.

Imp guardsmen win...sorry

>>30286292
>they do wear helmets except in art
>skull is made harder than steel
you can't kill a Mary Sue unless you get your own Mary Sue

>>30285264


Accuracy on tabletop is an approximation for all sorts of battlefield effects, personal awareness and visibility. Space Marines only have a 66.67% chance to hit anything and they obviously train more than any human soldier at marksmanship.

Tldr it's a gameplay mechanic, don't take it too seriously.

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>>30286266
When Russ is talking to Kasper Hawser in Prospero Burns, he mentions that, if the Wolves attack the Thousand Sons, this would not be the first incident of marine on marine killing. People took it that it means that it was Russ and the Space Wolves who killed the two missing Legions. Then Betrayer came out, where Russ comes to censure Angron for him implanting the Butcher's Nails into the World Eaters. The two Legions start killing eachother while Russ bitches at Angron, who calls him out on his bullshit about being the Emperor's executioner and that he came to bitch at Angron by himself. Either Abnett or ADB then confirmed that the incident Russ was talking about in Prospero Burns was referencing this, not the missing Legions.
It's the same as people thinking that the Ultramarines absorbed the missing Legions marines, when the author confirmed it that it is just an in-universe speculation by the butthurt Word Bearers.

Every time I see a 40/k/ post, I dip my toes into the wiki, enjoy what I see, but then get overwhelmed, where's a good place to start in the universe, novel wise?

Order designated marksmen to fire a headshot.

>>30286408
It's hinted at several times that the space wolves killed the "missing" primarchs

>>30285968
>can get fuggd by Ordo Xenos for fuggin qt xenos

>>30286444
Depends on what you're interested in.

i don't like reading the books about spess mahrines, because it's usually filled with wank of the worst kind. but i love reading stuff about the guard. though that can get really stupid at times too. depends on the author really.

If you want guard. read Fifteen Hours or Rebel Winter for a good starter.

>>30286481
They can tell them to fuck off, because basically theyre on a holy mission from the emperor

>>30286500

One of the only good space marine novels is Helsreach.

Overall my favorite 40k novel was Fire Warrior (in spite of the title it's a Guard book, not Tau)

>>30286070
>So is there a reason for everything and everyone in the 40k universe being absolute autistic OP bullshit
Nah, everything and everyone in 40k is actually quite vulnerable. People die easily, only a handful of characters has plot armor (and nobody likes them), with most cool characters ending their life in a ditch with a hole between their eyes, or worse.

It's just the scale that is off the charts for the reasons of awesomeness.

>>30286523

Whoops, it's Fire Caste, not Fire Warrior.

>>30286500
>>30286523
Thanks, I have a bit of OCD when it comes to reading things in chronological order, do those suggestions happen fairly early in the lore?

>>30286521
>They can tell them to fuck off, because basically theyre on a holy mission from the emperor
Hahahahah no. Rogue Traders operate within Inquisitorial jurisdiction. Inquisitors have the capacity to revoke their status and get a hell on their asses.

>>30286535

They occur in the 41st millennium. Don't worry about reading order outside of a series like Gaunt's Ghosts, and avoid the Horus Heresy stuff altogether. 30k was a mistake.

>>30286535
Fifteen hours is one of the first guard focused books. red winter is 3rd or 4th IIRC

>>30286444
Which wiki? The official 40k one or 1d4chan?

>>30286566
>red winter
lel, spell check is a bitch.

Rebel Winter*

>>30286521
>>30286535
It's actually somewhere in between. They can do things which are pretty much considered hardcore heresy as long as they generally support the Imperium's interests.

>>30281072
>only being bested by the Emperor himself.
He actually defeated the Emperor on two occasions: an eating then a drinking contest. He won the first by eating an entire cow. The second drained the cellars of Fenrisian ale.

Emps was undercover at the time, so he may have been holding back.

>"Hurrf durrf just shoot le head"
>What are gravitic conversion fields
>What are gene modifications that make bone tougher than steel

>>30286070
Go read some 2000 AD, Judge Dredd or similar 80s British comics and come back.

No, wait. It'd probably trigger you.

>>30286535
> I have a bit of OCD when it comes to reading things in chronological order
40k setting is really big has like two sorts of events that matter globally - the Black Crusades and Tyranid Hive Fleet incursions. Everything else happens "somewhere along M41-42, give or take a few centuries". Since the Imperium is so big, no defeat or victory actually reflects upon the entire galaxy beyond one or two sectors being lost (among literally millions of them) or reclaimed. Stuff is just thrown around and should be examined in the order of how much it interests you.

Beyond that there is the "ancient history of the setting" - the War in the Skies (Insane Space Wizards vs Undead Space Terminators), the Dark Age of Technology (Clarke's third law), the Long Night (Nothing: The Happening), the Emperor's Great Crusade (Reconquista IN SPACE), the Horus Heresy (Space Jesus Saves. Until Space Judas. Hilarity Ensues), the Forging (Patriot Act IN SPACE), the Age of Strife (Papal State Wars in SPACE) and other more minor events, but the whole point of them is that they are presented as IN UNIVERSE historic accords - which probably were written with a major bias, rewritten, censored, rewritten again, lost a half of pages before being rewritten again and then got buried for a thousand years before being found (and locked away) by the Inquisition. Everything before M40 is very open to speculation and alternate interpretations, which gave the rise to the concept of "everyone has his own 40k in his head".

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>>30286535
It doesn't really matter with standalone novels. The only way their timeline is important is if it's set before some major events, like before the Tyranids arrived. And even then it doesn't really matter, at worst you'll just scratch your head wondering why nobody is freaking out when it's obvious that Tyranids are invading.
Some of the novels, like Fifteen Hours and Rebel Winter as the other guy suggested, have a few short stories relating to the same characters or warzone. But most of the time they lack any kind of spoilers for the main book, so even if you read them "by accident" in an anthology it's no problem really.
If you read Fifteen Hours and liked the characters, the short story Red Reward is awesome and Knee Deep ain't that bad either.

And speaking of anthologies, There is Only War covers much of the factions and is a nice introduction.

>>30286408
>People took it that it means that it was Russ and the Space Wolves who killed the two missing Legions
No. The first time was when Argel Tal attacked Erebus. That's what made him the First Heretic. That's what Russ referred to.

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>>30286551
>30k was a mistake.

>>30286811

It started out okay, then quickly became 40k's equivalent to the Star Wars Prequels.

>>30286846
It's way way fucking better than the dawn of war books and most other 40k shit

>>30286846
No matter how bad it gets, it can't get as shit as Age of Shitmar.


Fantasy was bad enough until they scrapped everything and inserted spess mahrines

I ordered "Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium" to start with first, was this a mistake?

>>30286950
>Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium
It's aight

footnotes are neat.

>>30286950
It's really fun piece of (relatively) lighthearted military adventure. Although I would rather suggest just stealing it.

>>30279649
shoot him in the eye?
plant mines on his troops as they mourn him?
it's a win

>>30280082
it's about the equivalent of a battle rifle with explosive round today.

>>30286886

in this analogy CS "this pleases me" Goto is the worst extended universe writer of video game novelizations

>>30286285
kek
it could work actually

>>30286846
oh bullshit

>>30286551
I'm enjoying the horus heresy though.

>>30287107
Goto is a double nigger

>>30287307
DABID, MULTILASERS DABID!

>>30282371
As is actually protecting civilians and living with the regular people on Nocturne.

>>30282767
Is that Listerine I smell.

>>30288986
Yeah... but he literally melts people

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>it's a 40/k/ thread

>>30289163
Reminder that Horus fought and beat 10 imperial knights one time

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>>30289179

He IS a Primarch...

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>>30279649
Considering 40k armor is secretly paper mache in the shape of garbage I wager so.

Can this guy stop a round to the dome? That head is awful exposed and he looks overconfident enough to be a sniper's wet dream. Can he stop hundreds of rounds to the dome? An entire regiment is enough guns to basically hit him everywhere at once.

40k, like most fantasy, relies on everyone else being a horrible shot. You put this guy in front of an entire real life regiment of paras he's gonna have a bad day.

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Post your models /k/.

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>>30280073
No Kaldor Draigo of the Grey Knights?
Do you even love the Emperor?

>>30289285
He's a fucking Primarch m8, these guys can survive helmetless in the vacuum of space. Don't think some 20 year old armed with an M4 who is too busy shitting his pants because a 12 ft tall Spess Viking is charging at him at 50 MPH will be able to get an accurate shot off

>>30289333

Of course, because everything in 40k has to be super extreme and over the top stupid.

>>30289333
Isn't a regiment something like 1,500 dudes at the low end? I don't give a flying fuck what space magic you pull, that many guns, rockets, and shells going in his direction will murderfuck his head right off his shoulders and blow his shit to shreds.

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>>30289345

Hello, newfriend

>>30289131
>the universe where literal gods of chaos plot the destruction, blight, and rape of your entire existence

>the universe where retarded fungus men can ignore the laws of physics if enough believe in something

>the universe where unfeeling robots filled with the souls of the damned who've lived for like a billion years eagerly awaits to end all life in said universe
>The universe which holds a horde of monsters so numerous there are literally too many to count.

>using a futuristic flame thrower is bad.

>>30289372
>put hand in front of head
>bullshitonium armor stops everything

i don't think you comprehend how childish 40k can get.

>>30279649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNc242mbiUs

There is nothing you can do.

>>30289401
Stop posting Vulkan, we all know you burned that entire compliant planet's population for no reason. Even Konrad Curze thought that was fucked up

>>30289421
Probably, 40k is garbage.

Based on that land raider description my bet is real world would still fuck his shit up excluding magic space bullshit the writers come up with on the spot.

>>30284330
Looks like Sarina Valentina.

>>30289481
Does it?

I remember it being a bit more chubby.

>>30289481
>>30289537
I'd let Sarina Valentina steal my genes if you know what I mean

>>30279649
Does the regiment have artillery support our at least mortars?

>>30289639
Considering it's a whole regiment I'd think that's a given.

>>30286983
Im reading that now because I have read the entire HH thus far. Its fucking great, dude and his heroism! I lol at how he thinks he is a coward but keeps one fighting hard and getting into bad spots just to maintain his "undeserved" reputatuon.
>>30287048
in the novels his brother Corvus Corax was shot repeatedly by a heavy machine gun, rifles and shotguns all whike he was shirtless. His skin was enough to stop the bullets. A headshot simply will not work on Russ. You only chance would be to kneal and profess your fealty to the Emperor of mankind (as you should).
>>30289345
Yeah how about No. Its fucking 38000 years in the future. The regular foot Soldiers dont even get nightvision, sometimes starve to death and are generally outclassed in everyway by every enemy. The only way it gets to be fair is by humans getting a fee kick ass weapons....that STILL get pwned on a regular basis. Every battle is on par with the battle of the bulge and the Imperium doesnt always win. Infact usually the good guys get killed of.
>Itacon Curze
>Saul Tarvitz
>countless other developed characters that were suddenly killed
>40k kills more main characters than the Walking Dead.
>oh this book is all about this guy! I am sure HE WILL MAKE IT....dies on the last page
>ih these guys are going to stop the bad guy from winning and becoming a super powerful deamon....oh...they are all dead...well surely he wont succeed....fuck...

>>30286115
Sorry for the late reply. Read all the books. While the other primarchs HEAVILY imply Russ killed the other leagions, it is later revealed that the Legion feud was between Russ and Angron, Russ took it upon himself to try to stop Angron pre-Heresey. In other words its another red herring.

>>30286449
Not hinted. Its all speculation from in univers characters....which means dick.

>>30290024
>Russ took it upon himself to try to stop Angron pre-Heresey

E money told Russ to bring Angron to Terra, it wasn't Russ acting on his own

>>30290024
>>30290068
samefag

>>30290094
Holy shit! Great work detective! My posts were only 30 seconds apart with the same opinion!
But yeah still wrong newfag, samefagging is when you agree with your own post. I commented on two different ones...>>30289941 is me as well you fucking heretic.

>>30284330
a genestealer with a penis.

>>30290082
No. Russ was acting on his own. Re-read Betrayer, its a major plot point for Angron going full Khorne daemon prince.
Essentially Angron beats Russ, but Russ points out that his guys are defending him at the cost of the battle while the World Eaters are all fighting solo and leaving Angron hanging, so even though Angron won their individual battle Russes men had saved him. Then later the same shit happens with Robout so Lorgar uses that double rage to make Angron a daemon

>>30290651
Yes, but The Emperor did send Russ to bring Angron to Terra so again Russ wasn't acting on his own

>>30291132
no Russ went after Angron on his own after hearing about his atrocities

but that doesn't mean the Emperor didn't order him to go after the two missing legions, it just means in this case it was his own decision, we don't have a definitive confirmation either way about the 2 others (and we'll never get it because they want to keep this shit vague on purpose)

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>>30291282
READ THE FUCKING LORE

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Angron

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_(Primarch)

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Night_of_the_Wolf

All three state that the Emperor sent Russ to arrest Angry Ron. Now shut the fuck up and stop wasting my time

Thought this was interesting the Chaos Emissary had a few nicknames for the Primarchs

>Jonson - the duelist
>Khan - the warrior
>Russ - the brawler
>Dorn - the soldier
>Curze - the killer
>Angron - the fighter

>>30291362
Those sources are wrong. The conversation they have (Russ and Angron) before the battle Angron tells Russ to fuck off because he figures out the Emperor didnt send Russ. That is in the Horus Heresey novels, specifically Betrayer. You would know this if you read the books instead of what other people tell you the lore is

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>>30291696
>your multiple sources the incorporate additional multiple sources are wrong
>my one source where the retarded primarch with wires in his brain that makes him crazy thinks Russ was acting alone is right

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>>30279649
Who's the worst primarch and why is it Lorgar?

>>30291902
Yes. It wouldnt be the first time a wiki was wrong. There isa reason you cant cite a wiki page as a sourse when doing research.
>wikis can be changed by users.

>>30282431
Because they are rock stupid. Because their skulls are so thick that bullets bounce off.

>>30286449

and in Earlier works the 2 missing Primarchs are Sigmar and Jesus (heavily implied)

>>30292519

Probably because he never shut up.

>>30279649

I pull down my Pants and prepare to receive his Gene seed.

>>30279771
>IMPLYING
> that nukes will have any effect on terminator and < class

>>30282446
w h y not just a helmet with nose hole?
it worked for the jews

>>30280934
>blood in
>blood out

>>30285374
Nah, the only advantage a Leman Russ would have over the Abrams is armor, and that's a big maybe. It depends on how Plasteel holds up compared to Chobham, and I personally think that from various descriptions in the fluff, the Plasteel is much weaker than our 2M stuff, and the Abrams' gun would probably behave like a Vanquisher cannon (fires sub-caliber, dart shaped ammo). Then again, Russ tanks are meant to be cheaply produced using common materials, compared to our multi-million dollar MBTs. And the Russ is fucking huge, so it would be visible from much farther away. No to mention how little actual tech the Russ carries; I'm not even sure that they carry any sort of rangefinder, and the Russ MBT uses fucking solid-shot ammo. Plus, Leman Russes are actually very slow according to GW; Lexicanum states they have a top speed of 35 kph on roads.

Abrams > Leman Russ MBT. No contest.

>>30285197
th h te hreh iron halo

>>30293988
It'd be similar comparing Panzers to Shermans. One might be better quality, but the other will drown you and the Imperial Guard fights by attrition.

>>30292519
Depends what you mean by worst
>Lorgar is a twat that won't shut the fuck up
>Magnus ruins everything
>Mortarion jobs to literally anyone and anything

>>30294020
did you have a stroke?

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>>30293763
Yiff in hell furfag.

>>30294080
While Magnus fucked up the most, Lorgar and his legion are responsible for bringing about the heresy. While it isn't entirely his fault, being that the big E and Roboute went a bit too far in their chastisement, they still bear a large portion of responsibility.

Also he's the worst fighter out of all the primarchs lore wise.

>>30294107
The heresy can actually be directly traced back to two people in the Word Bearers, Kor Phaeron and Erebus.

>>30294402
They did the ground work but Lorgar And Big E are both pretty complicit.

>Lorgar wants to find God no matter the cost and will accept anything as the truth after getting shit on by Rowboat and Dad
>Big E knows this and, instead of warning him about Chaos, just fucks off

>>30294428
I still don't know why the emperor didn't warn his sons, especially Magnus and Lorgar, about chaos. Those 2 are the most potent psykers of the primarchs and would've definite lot kept vigil Kant against it.

>>30294730

IIRC His thinking (insofar as its been explained) was that Chaos would be a non-issue once He was done with His great works. He just needed them to keep focused on the Crusade until that part was done, and by that point He would have in some way nullified the negative parts of being a psyker. Besides, one of His big things was eradicating superstition and replacing religion with science - telling anyone, even a primarch, would have been mixed messages at best, and had they known they would likely have pulled a well-intentioned whoopsie at some point (see: what Magnus did to the Golden Throne), which at best would have been a serious blow to compliance to His plan.

>>30285145

Yes, Space Marine Chapter Masters and Captains usually have access to Iron Halos which provide a forcefield of sorts. There are a few varieties of Terminator armor that have forcefields of varying strength. Chaplains also have Rosarius which provides a forcefield. This is all 40k stuff when the Imperium is in a technological decline.

Considering he is a Primarch, Leman Russ would likely have access to some of the best wargear available and thus it's likely that his armor would incorporate some kind of forcefield that would be equivalent to greater than any of the above.

>>30286015

That was a mistake that has since been corrected. The problem is that while FW likes to include stats for various vehicles because it's cool and adds a sense of depth to the universe, it's really debatable how much any of the writers actually know about current military technology. I kind of find it more likely that their interest would be WWII or earlier.

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>>30279649
In current 40k aren't the space wolves the strongest of all the space marine chapters? Maybe with the exception of the black Templars?

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>>30279649
It's literally one man with a sword in giant heavy bulky armor.
Just ask someone to cap him with a m24, and if that doesn't work everyone opens fire with our m4s..

Like the nigga literally isn't wearing a helmet and is slowly marching with a sword..


Also how does he expect to use a sword with those bulky shoulder pads, can he even move his upper arms?

>>30293815
>Hur dur vidya game says they can survive a nuek cuz it says so..
I don't believe you understand what happens when you get hit by a nuclear bomb.
The sound-waves alone could tear his organs up from the inside. Nothing for miles in any bullshit power armor is going to live.

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>>30295015
forgot proofs

>>30283854
I respectfully forward the Tanith First-and-Only.
Operator as fuck scouts and stealthers, btfo Chaos and ain't afraid of anything.
Except maybe dress standards.

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>>30279649
>You are a paratroop Colonel in the US Army, and pic related starts across a wide field towards your regiment. Is there any hope for the poor souls under your command?
yes, because the emperor's light has found our world and will rescue us from the darkness of the warp storms. We're home boys, the terran empire has found us again. All that'd be left is the transition to Imperial guard and integration of the rest of the world's militaries.

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>>30283826
>implying through the thousands of years it took our hive world to collapse and rebuild itself from the ashes after the warp storms cut us off from the rest of the terran empire we didn't bastardize history into legend and consider the rock we're on to be the real earth.

>>30295015
>>30295021

We've built tanks that will protect the crew through a nuclear blast, and power armour is better than any armour we have today

>>30289163
>dat imperial knight
those things are so goddamn expensive and also the only thing that looks fun to play due to high mobility and the ability to troll hard. For the 3 pack you could buy a mid level AR.

>>30294998
40k stuff has more lore armor than solid snake. anything that isn't from their universe with the exception of demigods like Superman or Saitama will be utterly destroyed by them.

These threads are stupid because it's a bunch of /tg/ and /v/ nerds sperging out over their handpainted pewter figurines and the fun lore behind them. I thought I was on /v/ at first when I saw this offtopic shitpost.

>>30279649
I start awooing, maybe they'll confuse me for one of them.

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>>30279864
>I used to literally suffocate people with las gun saves with my giant imperial guard meat grinder list. you damn right im gonna make you roll 200 armor saves on 3 space marines

>>30294998
>Also how does he expect to use a sword with those bulky shoulder pads, can he even move his upper arms?
Yes, they are not directly attached to the shoulders but on some kind of pistons or some shit like that which can move them up. 40K has been around for long enough for some of the writers to actually think about that already

>>30280171
>I know of Warhammer 40k but not how you play it.

Step 1: Go broke buying 1000 points
Step 2: Play maybe once or twice a month on weekends with the other teenage through mid 40's nerds at the local hobby shop

>>30279649
>Paratrooper regiment
>scared of a faggy midget with no gun or Kevlar

Kek Warhammer fags are dumb

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>>30295103
Sure if the armor can survive the heat which is about 11,000 degrees 50 meters away, and the user won't be Torn up and knocked around due to the pressure and energy being produced by the bomb. The suit has to Weighing in at about 40.54 tons close to a tank (which is way to heavy to actually move with a human body and some pistons alone), this isn't trivial. If I do a gross oversimplification and model the armor as a box with a 96 in high and 24 in wide(this is an overestimate). That's around 85 613 588 J of energy. meaning anyone wearing that armor would gain 70 miles of speed in the blast wave for over 9 seconds in other words even if the armor is able to survive the force put onto it once it stops, the user would most likely not, refer to this if you want to understand it easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAJTe__5B24

Logically any possible way of killing a human will happen to someone even with their magic armor, even if the armor is 7 inches thick, they are not surviving let alone being able to operate in combat, they'd still be blind and have 4th degree burns if they were able to survive all the energy.
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>>30289388
>CUZ MAGICZ
It's the vacuum of space you autistic faggot, do you even comprehend the idea behind a vacuum? A COLD AIRLESS, PRESSURE-LESS EMPTY VACUUM, unless they have water bear DNA and can go into hibernation and not breath, they are fucked! don't give me your autistic "le writters can do whatever shit"

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>>30295245
Holy shit, you are unhappy about people having wars with little plastic men

[spoiler]primarch just chilling in space pic related[/spoiler]

>>30295253
fix my damn spoiler hiroshimoot

What's the lightest AR-15 lower receiver I can buy that isn't complete garbage?

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>>30295220
so the armor lifts up? I mean why not just not have anything there if it is going to not cover you, unless it bends like rubber which would kind of fuck it all up.
>>30295253
Even if they could hold their breath for a long time, that would make things worse, as holding your breath will cause your lungs to explode as the air inside your body expands and expands, plus the reduction in pressure causes the boiling point of bodily fluids to decrease below the body's normal temperature.
>>30295271
What do you mean? What is your standard of garbage?

>>30281650
This right here, magic and all that emperor bullshit doesn't exist in reality, all they have is their technology, skills, and weapons all of which are kind of shitty when you remove the writers wall of "Lore"
In reality how do you expect any of those huge men in even bigger armor to survive anything, with their goofy looking bolt guns or whatever fantasy swords.

>>30279649
I'd be on the MAGA side, winning.

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>>30293815
At the very least he will be blown away from the battlefield.

Hopefully into the ocean dozens of miles away.

>>30295289
this isn't holding your breath for a long time, he was in space without helmet for 12h after an attack on his bridge threw him out

his explanation was that there is a very small atmosphere around the ship, but he wasn't 100% sure how he survived either

>>30285077
>driver hatch!
This has happened a lot, but in modern times you don't have to sit outside the tank to drive it, the inside is nice and comfortable.
>A jet
Nigga these space marines aren't fucking raiden running in the air at 40 mph they are lucky to """"run"""" faster than 5 mph
>>Fire port
I mean yeah except the firing port is normally far away and hidden not charging at you in bright colors.

>>30283826
They actually would, it references in the heresy books that some of the lost strains of humanity honestly believe they are terra

>>30285709
Wouldn't having harder bones actually be worse for you, bones need to have a bit of softness in them right?
Also getting shot in the head could still knock your brain around messing you up pretty bad.

>>30295245
Actually they can survive hard vacuum for up to 2 weeks.

Their skin produces a protective film in seconds and they can either fight back inside a ship in 5 mins or enter a voluntary 4 week coma, surviving on their hyper oxygenated blood, while nearby ship finds them.

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>>30295015
>The sound-waves alone could tear his organs up from the inside. Nothing for miles in any bullshit power armor is going to live.
4+ invul get rekt

>>30295289
Space marine armor is linked to muscle like cord bundles across the armor. That is linked into the marines nervous system.

With training the shoulder pad dislocates to allow free movement of the arms.

Post heresy armor is far thicker and simpler as finesse gave way to brute force in melee

>>30295365
Which Codex/IA?

>>30284502
>underrated post

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>>30289285
So even their tanks are weak as fuck? I mean that thing is not even half the strength of a m1.. >>30295365
and it's design looks kind of shitty to me like they actually went backwards in design from WW2, that shape looks like ass, tanks are supposed to be shaped a certain way for tactical reasons not just for looks, but this shape is the exact opposite of what you want, a thin fat short box shape with a whole lot of exposed random shit sticking out.
Also look at the length of that barrel..
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI

>>30279649
>paratroops
So no armor, artillery, or much other heavy ordnance?

They're fucked, space marine over would be able to shrug off most small arms with largely only cosmetic damage.

The real combat danger when it comes to any comparison between space marines and modern soldiers is melee. Astartes can rip people in half, give them a chainsword and it's like a thresher cutting down wheat. While modern soldiers have knives as their best melee weapon. And unless anyone wants to risk friendly fire, the Space Marines are protected from the ranged weapons that actually can hurt them.

>>30283166
But they look so skinny; aren't SM recruits supposed to be in peak condition?

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>>30284900
>meanwhile a fucking abrams can't even survive a giant home made bomb made by sandniggers

>>30294964
Apparently yeah, since they never broke up their Legion according to the newest core book.

Not that strange really, when before it was only one chapter that was made from them, and then it was reabsorbed not long after (relative to 10,000 years).

And when you consider the Ultramarines are best buddies with almost all of their successors, that the Dark Angels collaborate with theirs to hunt the Fallen, and the Blood Angels keep close ties with their own as they all seek a cure for the Curse of Sanguinius, it's not really that unusual. Even the Imperial Fists keep close ties with about a dozen of their successors, Black Templars included. As a sort of martial brotherhood thing. And all of that was introduced prior to the latest edition of the 40K core.

>>30294025
except this time the Panzers have some semblance of logistics

>>30295357
Isn't the coma actually indefinite?

>>30295438
They're also typically prepubescent boys or ones at the early stages of puberty.

>>30295438
>But they look so skinny; aren't SM recruits supposed to be in peak condition?
They are supposed to be around 13-14 years old. More importantly - Blood Angels recruit from their ancestry homeworld of Baal Secundus. Which is an sun-scorched irradiated desert of a moon, populated by roaming tribes of techno-barbarians.

>>30279649
to do so would be heresy of the highest order and would result in a most hasty (and messy) demise

the only appropriate action in such a situation would be to lay down your arms and accept conscription into the Imperial Army for the glory of the God-Emperor

>>30279649
>Its not an official Games Workshop (tm) event, so i wouldn't worry. ;^)

>>30289163
Can he see his left and right sides without having to turn his whole body around? Like, checkem shoulderpads

>>30295959
Pauldrons are movable - he can raise and lower than at will with the integrated servos.

I'll let the wolf-fuckers feel my wolf-fury and punch them right in their wolf-faces. That will surely gain me their wolf-respect and lead to them inviting me into their wolf-pack.

>>30295644
Yeah, they need an apothecary to pull them out of it again as far as I know

>>30285682
A lot more pleasant than some other chapters - which one was it that performs the surgery while they are awake? The blood magpies?

>>30295484
I wonder if relic will ever tell the "terrible secret" about wich legion the magpies success from. If you take the dark crusade's implications where Thule decided to destroy scrolls which hold that information, most definitely a heretic one.

>>30297290
Most hints we got so far indicate the Thousand Sons, but apparently they haven't really decided yet because novel writers and the rest are disagreeing on which one it should be. Forgot which the second candidate was though.

>>30297149
Fun fact, according to lexicanum, the longest any space marine has been in a suspended animation from the brain implant is 567 years.

>>30279649
Most books where imperial guard have to fight chaos space marines, theres no contest. Bait them into a building with a nuke below it.

>>30297310
I'm pretty sure everyone is aboard the Thousand Sons theory, only ADB is for some reason having a shitfit and disagreeing with that. The other option is Sons of Horus, but only because in one of the expansions of the games Abaddon wants them all for himself.

>>30295245
Terminator suits are literally designed to operate within the cores of fusions reactors

They can literally walk through the sun if they wanted to

its like you haven't read any of the ridiculous 40k lore at all