another T-90A bite the dirt this is the third confirm killed

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>>30226485
first confirmed kill
T-90 1992

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>>30226489
second confirmed kill
T-90A

What killed it? All I can see is broken commanders sight.

>Mission kill
>Fixed in a week and back in fighting

uh huh

>>30226540
and the sosna-U and two broken OTShU-1-7
captured=killed
>>30226561
it was captured by FSA

>>30226580
>Mission kill
>abandoned
>captured by terrorists
>terrorists take a picture of it then bury it because they can't maintain or use it
>recovered 1 week later
>fixed up
kk

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>>30226489
>>30226501
>absolutely intact tank
>confirmed kill
This is confirmed kill.
What you have are deserted vehicles.

>>30226589
they can operate T-72M1, T-72A and T-72 ural just fine though
>>30226590
>deserted vehicles
still count as killed

>>30226597
>still count as killed
Then we have a looooot of Abes "killed" in Iraq. Dozens of them.

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>>30226610
implying i am a burger
nice try though

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>D...DELETE THIS!

>>30226590
Having the crews flee in terror and abandon an intact vehicle is more embarrassing for the Russian-Syrians-Iranians than it being destroyed.

Moreover the tanks are effectively gone, the rebels will destroy it if it's about to be captured or it will be destroyed in their own use

>>30226610
No shit. The same retarded logic from the /pol/ merkava thread is spilling over here.

There's no such thing as an invincible tank. Abrams, T-90, and Merkava are all solid designs but get destroyed in wars. Wow what a shocker.

3 T-90's destroyed,

How many M1's in afcrapastain alone?

>>30226888
iraqi army have lost about 40 Abrams

>>30226485
Its OK, the loss was just Arabs being Arabs
Zinki got it moving again.

>>30226913
to be fair some of them where left intact as they french'ing out

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>>30226485
Those are literally intacted lol.

This is what a confrim kill looks like when it comes to Russian tanks in Syria.

>>30226485
>>30226489
>>30226501

It's not a kill if the equipment is still intact and thus able to operate.

Rather, call it abandoned.

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>>30226489

This one was hit by a TOW. The commander bailed on impact but the tank itself returned (or was towed) to friendly positions and repaired.

The ERA worked perfectly.

>>30226485
These tanks are no fun. Throw the turret!

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>>30226485

Not destroyed, there's a video of them driving it.

Fucking Arab incompetence.

>"confirmed" "kill"
Kek.

>>30226884
Desk book of a burgerclap: when Abrams is in danger it is allowed to resort to admitting T-90 is a solid design and there are no invincible tanks.

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>>30226485

They sand nig terrorists are bragging about capturing it and have a video of it being driven.

0/10 OP.

>>30226878
>Having the crews flee in terror and abandon an intact vehicle is more embarrassing for Arabs in general

Fleeing in a panicked route is a sand nigger specialty. They are even faster at running than Italians who have the world championship title.

>>30226937

To be fair, it seems there are far more Abrams wreckages and burnt out shells littering the countryside in Iraq than there are T-90s. In fact, there hasn't been a single T-90 destroyed.

Seems ERA protection makes all the difference. No wonder even the Brits and Americlaps have started using ERA on their new upgrades.

>>30226621
JUST CLOSE THE DAMN HATCH
Why are A-Rabs so god damn retarded?

Wow. So this is the power of the invincible T-90. Why are Russian tanks so bad?

>>30227349
>To be fair, it seems there are far more Abrams wreckages and burnt out shells littering the countryside in Iraq than there are T-90s. In fact, there hasn't been a single T-90 destroyed.
To be fair, Russians have only been in Syria for less than a year and they've already lost 3 T-90s. Very bad form!

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>>30227609
>>30226485
Wasn't destroyed the crew just fled a fully intact tank which was then captured. Crew being Arabs of course. Also if memory serves me well wasn't that other one everyone else said was killed just a minor issue and turned out to not be serious because it was hit but not broke but due to sandnigger incompetence everything got blown out of proportion?

I have a question. Why aren't there any pictures of people who captured the tank alongside their trophy? Shouldn't it be like a whole bunch of them sitting on every surface that can be sat upon and not just these pictures that could be mistaken for whoopsie-damage in some training ground?

>>30227616

Except there are no documented losses of the T-90 except for this captured, functional tank.

The Iraqi army has lost dozens of Abrams, utterly destroyed.

The Abrams is not a good tank for asymmetric warfare.

It's good for rolling front lines of mass mechanized formations. Side protection is too poor.

>>30226597

Everyone knows that OP made this thread to argue that T-90's are bad tanks.

Abandoned tanks don't count and your thread is dumb.

>>30227632
terrorist don't take prisoner
>>30227699
why are you triggered

>>30227625
I can imagine the crew explaining why they left a functional tank with the engine still on after recieving miscalculated RPG-1 fire.
Of course they would blow it out of proportions.

>>30227693
Except the Abrahams the iris have are not real, they cheaply made knock offs. They would not give the real deal to an Army they had fought in recent history

>>30227699
To be fair, anything based off of the T-72 is a bad tank.

>>30226485
>M1's routinely get killed by sand people
>monkey models/arab crew! it doesn't count!

doesn't this also apply to the T90?

>>30228553
>Except the Abrahams the iris have are not real, they cheaply made knock offs

lolno.

Most of their tanks were originally US vehicles, manufactured to the same standard, just stripped of encrypted radios and C3I equipment.

The only true monkey model are the Egyptian-made tanks. Built from RHA armor with limited functionality.

Nigger, you''re running out of excuses.

>>30228713
>manufactured to the same standard

Absolutely false.

The US does not export DU.

>>30228648
It's more or less a joke about how Slavs would always, always, ALWAYS (and still do) claim that any destroyed slav equipment was always due to muh monkey models.

>>30228713
Are we still playing the 'export Abrams have DU and modern armor packages' game?

>>30228734
Didn't you know export Abrams ALL have DU and have SEPv16??? But they still get beaten by 7.62. See? It's glorious Slavic engineering all over again. Did you know T90s can kill a carrier ? Did you know Armatas can shoot down cruise missiles ?

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>>30228732

Listen idiot.

The tanks were manufactured in the US. Served in the US and were hand-me-downs to Iraqis.

These are not newly manufactured tanks.

Whether they stripped the DU plates I don't know, seems like the information is classified, but it wouldn't matter anyway, because most of the videos show the Abrams getting hit and destroyed in spots not covered by DU plates.

>>30228773
>seems like the information is classified,

So classified that you can find the answer with a single google search

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>>30228734
>Are we still playing the 'export Abrams have DU and modern armor packages' game?

Are we still pretending to know whether US hand-me down tanks in Iraq were demilled and stripped of DU armor?

Would it matter?

Because DU covers only front cheeks, and we have videos of tanks getting BTFO from hits to other parts.

So whether the Abrams has DU or not doesn't matter. It still gets BTFO.

>>30228713
>The official said 28 Iraqi Army Abrams had been damaged in fighting with militants, five of them suffering full armour penetration when hit by ATGMs. The United States supplied 140 refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Iraq between 2010 and 2012. While they have new equipment to improve situational awareness, they do not have the depleted uranium amour package that increases protection over the tank's frontal arc.

http://www.janes.com/article/39550/iraqi-abrams-losses-revealed

It's not clear if export Abrams have chobham armor as well.

>>30228785

Bullshit. Just because someone wrote a blog with their own conjecture doesn't make it fact.

I could go modify the Wikipedia article myself.

>>30226590
>>30227068
>>30226950
Those T-90s are combat kills, once the tank or crew is considered out of action for the remaining duration of the engagement it is a kill regardless if it is repairable or not.

>>30228802
>>30228773

http://www.deagel.com/Main-Battle-Tanks/M1A2-Abrams-SEP_a000516004.aspx

>inb4 you call deagel a blog

>>30228816

Look, everyone, at the worthless fucking vatnik.

Look at him literately say that janes is not relevant or accurate.

This is shitposting of the highest order, and the janitors need to do their fucking job.

>>30228816
>Chobham armor hasn't been used on anything since the 70s. You need to learn what that refers to.
Uwotm8? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. American Abrams use a combination of Chobham and DU. We don't know how exports Abrams are armored.

>Janes

>Relevant

>Accurate
Nice argument, bro

>>30228795
>Are we still pretending to know whether US hand-me down tanks in Iraq were demilled and stripped of DU armor?

Considering that it's well know whether they do or do not and at this point you're just being willfully ignorant by calling them the same thing, yes it does matter.

>>30228829
Also to add, there are have been plenty of Abrams combat kills, there's no need to throw a shit fit.
Considering the T-90 didn't pop it's turret, I'd say it's much better than it's previous iterations and is a solid tank.

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>>30226913
And how many did the US loose in Iraq?

vatniks heh.

>>30228847
>American Abrams use a combination of Chobham and DU

Technically, the original Chobham hasn't been in use since the HA model, after that they moved towards a material described as a silica based ceramic and referred to it as second generation composite armor and then in the late 90s/early 2000s began upgrades with what they referred to as a 'third generation' composite. I'm sure there's old M1s in storage with the old Chobham though.

>>30228853
>loose

I dunno, I think at its peak there were about 1000 Abrams loose in Iraq.

>>30228875
Well, I was aware that Chobham is a family of composite armor that derives from the original "recipe"

>>30228852

Yes, you should be banned for shitposting.

Zero military sources are as well researched and conservative as janes. None. There is not a single better source.

You know this, yet you shitpost.

Fuck off, and die.

>>30228888
Would've worked if it said let loose, but nice try.

>>30228901

jesus christ your rage is hilarious. you must be shaking like a leaf right now.

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>>30228901
>Fuck off, and die.

Didn't anyone ever tell you not to take the internet this seriously?

Why are you sperging out this hard? This is some next-level crybaby peepants shit.

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>>30228901
>some guy said something on the internet
>now he needs to die

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>>30228841

That Janes article literally has no sources to verify the claims they make.

The author is probably a 23-year old English major who doesn't even know what the fuck an Abrahams is.

So if the entire myth of Iraqi Abrams being a monkey model hinges on one unsourced blog article, I think you should be fucking worried.

Deal with it, nigger.

>>30228901
This isn't fucking leddit cuckold. Fuck off back to that shit site if you don't like it here.

>waaah I can't downvote him
>waaaaaah the mods aren't banning him because he spoke against my opinion

neck yourself autist

>>30228923
>i should be able to lower the level of discourse of /k/ with blatent trolling!

Mods do your job.

>>30228936
>Why are you sperging out this hard?

Because im tired of the complete lack of moderation. It has gotten to asinine levels.

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>>30228847

You clearly have no idea what is and isn't Chobham or equivalent armor.

I can't really waste any time educating you, you have access to internet since you post here, so you have no excuse to be an ignorant sack of shit.

>>30228923
>>30228936
>>30228948
>>30228953

you guys should be more understanding of special needs children. they experience the world in a different way than the rest of us.

to us this may seem like a trivial and ridiculous thing to be upset about, but to him it is probably the most important thing he'll deal with all day, right between struggling to eat cheerios and losing his shirt. have some empathy, seriously.

>>30228848

Considering this entire claims is based on one unsourced, non-technical blog post made by some kid at Janes, I'd say your assumptions are on pretty fucking weak grounding.

Has anyone ever witnessed the DU plates being cut out of the Iraqi tanks?

Have you ever spoken to anyone from the US Army or GDLS or contractors who would have cut out the plates?

Where did the DU plates go from Iraqi?

Where they hauled back to the USA? On which ship? Were they airlifted?

Buried in the desert? By whom?

Nah mates, you're talking out your ass, and you know it.

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>>30228956
>lower the level of discourse of /k/
>im tired of the complete lack of moderation.

Do you even know where you are?

>>30226597
>still count as killed
No it doesn't. "Slightly aggravated" would be the correct term.

>>30228974
>Considering this entire claims is based on one unsourced, non-technical blog post made by some kid at Janes, I'd say your assumptions are on pretty fucking weak grounding.
You still haven't provided one counter source to your rambling.

>>30228958
>You clearly have no idea what is and isn't Chobham
Go ahead and define what Chobham armor is so I can laugh at you.

>>30226913
Doesn't count, Iraqis are essentially bipedal monkeys. Any loud bangs near them is enough to freak them out.

>>30228974
>Considering this entire claims is based on one unsourced, non-technical blog post made by some kid at Janes

There is more than one source ITT.

>Has anyone ever witnessed the DU plates being cut out of the Iraqi tanks?

The Iraqi tanks were zero dayed, which invovles removing everything down to the frame.

>>30228985

Yes i do, and it is clearly dead.

Im done, enjoy your pro russian clusterfuck.

>>30229023

That's right kiddo, fuck off and let the adults talk. We don't need some little redditor faggot sperging out whenever he gets disagreed with.

>>30228958
Dorchester is just modern chobham,, m80

>>30229023
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out nigger

We don't want your shit kind here

>>30229030
To be fair a good portion of the "adults" are wrong.

Export Abrams are not provided with DU.

Janes, Deagel, and various other less credible sites agree.

>>30229055
Michael Green's book also agrees they dont have DU

https://books.google.com/books?id=7ec-WH-4H3kC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=export+abrams+DU&source=bl&ots=_uIa9iqngD&sig=P_cR7CXLnTGd7xcojqRuZSYMJT0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1jJus953NAhXmxYMKHbJSAZc4ChDoAQgjMAE#v=onepage&q=export%20abrams%20DU&f=false

>>30226590
>>30226878
>>30227342
>No Abrams was EVER destroyed !!!1111
>intact T-90 with no penetrating marks
>T-90 DESTROYED LMAO AHAHAHAH
0.11111/10

>>30228853
To be fair, aren't most of those mobility kills eating a friendly hellfire so they aren't captured?

>>30226621
>>30226874

>spot a hohol

>>30228816

>calling Janes irrelevant and not accurate

WEW LADDY

>>30229113
>hohol

What the fuck does this even mean?

Can sombody who does not only speak rutard explain?

>>30229121
He is claiming you are from ukraine.

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>>30229121

it's this turkish hairstyle ukrainian nationalists prefer

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>>30228816
>calling janes irrelevant
The memes are real

>>30229159
>>30229162

Why the fuck would i be from the Ukraine, on an American image board?

>>30229193
where else would you go.

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>>30229193
>Why the fuck would i be from the Ukraine, on an American image board?

Good lord, this is some omega-level autism. I think I've just become stupider.

>>30227387
Because it is 120F inside?

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>>30229193
You are aware that alot of people from different nations visit 4chan everyday? 4chan is not a pure murrican website and /k/ whom might give the impression of being a pure american board is wrong there are other nationalities here.

>>30229209
fuck if i know, there are more chan's though, that speak the language.

>>30229227
No, like, why is being Ukrainian an insult? Why would i be Ukrainian for insulting Russia? Thats an American thing, if anything.

>>30229252
I understand that, but see above.

>>30229227
I dunno, not anywhere near as autistic as vatniks who claim everyone that BTFOs them is a burger or ukrianian

>>30229283
>Why would i be Ukrainian for insulting Russia? Thats an American thing, if anything.
Can you please fucking lurk more? like holy shit stop posting any time you fucking newfag good god

>>30229308
>Can you please fucking lurk more?

I have been here since 08, i just don't get the relevance between anti russian posts and being Ukrainian.

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>>30229337
Remember the clanking?

>>30228875
It;s likely the Iraqi Abrams have "OG Chobham".

Those tanks are most likely 80's vintage M1A1's slightly refurbished, from before the HA version added the DU.

>>30229390
I do, but its not as if russhills were absent before then.

>>30226621
That photo is actually from the exact second ISIS set off a satchel charge from the inside of the tank.

>>30229556
No, they just got more common and active.

And hohol was not used before the clanking but after it.

>>30229627
>And hohol was not used before the clanking but after it.

Excatly, while rusbots have been arouned forever.

Which means that the ones that use holol are basically newfags, because they assume the anti rus posters are from the clanking.

>>30227693
>The Iraqi army has lost dozens of Abrams, utterly destroyed.

I find it interesting that OP's tank is being defended as abandonded but the vast majority of Iraqi losses being abandoned are counted as utterly destroyed.

And since you mentioned it T-90's have very thin side armor.

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one more T-90A almost get rekt
vk dot com splash roman_saponkov

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>>30229855
2/4

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>>30229870
3/4

>>30228773
>The tanks were manufactured in the US. Served in the US and were hand-me-downs to Iraqis.

Old M1A1's rebuilt as M1A1M's are not handmedowns or ex USMC tanks left in Iraq or whatever the current vatnik claim is.

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>>30229889
4/4

>>30228795
>Are we still pretending to know whether US hand-me down tanks in Iraq were demilled and stripped of DU armor?

Considering we have pictures of the tanks being loaded on to ships in the US and official statements that no export tanks have DU, yes we do know.

>>30226485
Nigga that t-90 ain't destroyed, it was captured in tact and functional. Which makes it more embarrassing.

>>30229112
lmao havng to destroy your armored vehicles because your forces are too weak to recapture them

>>30229855
>>30229870
>>30229889
>>30229908
>rekt
>minor damage to a side skirt panel
>damaged road wheel, not even a drive sprocket
>damaged jammer

ukrainians are sad people

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>>30229855
>>30229870
>>30229889
>>30229908

Looks like road wheels and side skirts doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing: pre-detonating the shaped charge...

What's the problem Mr. Hohol?

>>30229990
>Considering we have pictures of the tanks being loaded on to ships in the US and official statements that no export tanks have DU, yes we do know.

Those are just your words. I tried a Google search and found no such pictures and only various re-regurgitation of the Jane's conjecture.
I honestly believe they would not bother stripping DU out of the Iraqi hand-me down tanks simply for economy.

There's no proprietary technology to be had, you just need to have a plutonium manufacturing capability, which the Iraqis clearly don't.

So why would anyone bother removing DU screens from the armor?

>>30230348
>>30230534
did you people even read the link?
it was almost hit by a missile

>>30230554
Chinese getting it


Which wouldnt matter that much since they are just M1A1s. I would hope the A2 has atleast slightly better DU

And whatever stupid environmental concerns once they get assblasted from Arabs using them

>>30229112
>hellfire
>just mobility kill

I dont think you know what a mobility kill is anon

>>30230584
Getting what? You retarded?

>>30230584
>Chinese getting it

>Implying the Chinese don't know what to do with plutonium manufacturing byproducts


You think it's some sort of proprietary magical technology?

>>30229337
>I have been here since 08,
literally no you fucking haven't, if you don't know. stop lying you shit.

>>30227387
They are extremely effeminate weak men

Seen one handed a case of water bottles in Qatar and nearly collapsed.
ISIS is the brunt of their race masculinity

>>30230577
that tank is still not destroyed, so it can be repaired

>>30230957
>not being around for sev and !grenade, and HM

Wewlad

>hurr durr there's a few scratches on the putside
>confirmed kill

Summerfag shitposters are early this year, it seems.

>>30230584
Because the Chinese somehow don't know how to get a substance that is a literal byproduct of producing weapons-grade nuclear materiel, something they've been doing since the fucking 70's...

>>30230577

>almost hit by a missile
>actually hit with a missile in its side

wtf does almost mean in your head, I wonder.

>>30228816
>Janes
>A publication so well researched, they've obtained classified orbital imagery
>Not the first and foremost source on military vehicles

>>30228949
>Abrahams
I'm supposed to take the word of a person who doesn't even know what the tank is named?

>>30230554
>So why would anyone bother removing DU screens from the armor?

Because the whole armor package was replaced? I assume you are aware the new armor in the SEPv3 is at least the 6th generation of armor in an Abrams.

>>30231803
It's not a matter of potential adversaries getting DU, it's them getting examples of current armor to test their weaponry against.

>>30232289

That makes no sense...

Why would they remove obsolescent DU screens from older makes of M1A1 given to the Iraqis when American tanks were already getting cutting edge 6th gen plates?

This doesn't help your argument.

>>30232352

But by your own admission, it's not current armor. SEPv3 has the 6th gen DU.

The old M1A1HAs the Iraqis got were a mix of late 80s manufactured tanks.

>>30232628
>That makes no sense...

Because you are not applying any critical thought.

>Why would they remove obsolescent DU screens from older makes of M1A1 given to the Iraqis

Sold, not given.

Because Iraq is not allowed any armor package that might be used by American tanks? Because the tanks might already have had the armor stripped out in preparation for zero hour restoration? Its easy to think of valid reasons.

>when American tanks were already getting cutting edge 6th gen plates?

Active use, meaning there is 4000+ tanks sitting in depots with older armor.

>This doesn't help your argument.

hue

>>30232657
>But by your own admission, it's not current armor. SEPv3 has the 6th gen DU.

And?

>The old M1A1HAs the Iraqis got were a mix of late 80s manufactured tanks.

Iraq did not get M1A1HA's.

>>30229641
Fuck off you newfag