Cold War Gone Hot

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>>30211321
This thread has potential.

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>you'll never be expected to hold an isolated city with no chance of reinforcement, for the sole purpose of defending democracy in west Berlin for a few more hours.

>>30211321
>It's 1985, the reds are streaming into west Germany and the happenings are real.
Why the fuck would they attack past their prime?
If they were going to attack, it would be before the 80s.

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>Ivan thinks he can just drive into west Germany

>>30211362
>Why the fuck would they attack past their prime?Desperation, a international incident forces their hand, miscommunication with West spirals out of control (One side holds wargames without telling the other, other side jumps the gun fearing invasion). There are many things that could happen.

Also, for sake of argument, are we not factoring nukes into the equation?

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>>30211362

because we want to post cool images of cold war stuff.

Why were you born?

7 days to river Rhine.

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>>30211388
if someone gets a nuke image as the last imagine before limit then they win the war. Otherwise we're just wasting our 150 images on pictures of explosions.

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[muffled 99 Luftballons playing in the distance]

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>>30211401

I wish there was a book full of cold war planes with annotated images like that and some cool specs / history. Now that most air frames are out of service you could get some very accurate specs and interesting facts.

>mfw challenger was the newest tank on the field (excluding variants) in 1985.

>>30211352
No, the point of the troops there was largely to try and ensure paperwork got burned. If they were EXTREMELY lucky the ambassador and stuff could make it to the runway and bail.

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Don't know if this is cold war, but it's film so it may as well be.

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>Cold War thread
Das it mayne

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Norwegians

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>>30211332
forgive my ignorance, but are those not Leo 1's? The turret front looks rounded.

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Swedes

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>Capitalists think they can just sail across the Atlantic.

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>Moar Swedes

>>30211576
what is this?

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>Bongs

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>More Bongs

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>>30211604
Its no problem, you have to learn somewhere. Those Are Leopard 2's, Probably the Very First iteration of them.

>>30211633
not the poster but IIRC they are F15's intercepting two Mig 29's over Canada. The Migs were attending an airshow and the route was filed before hand, hence the ability for a third plane to capture the moment.

They flew over the pole with drop tanks with the intention of refuelling in Canada before anyone asks.

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>Syrup Soldiers

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>>30211352
why even live

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>You will never hold a C2

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>Burgers
Also I thought we'd adopted the PASGT by the mid-80s.

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>>30211670
Almost spat out my beer when i thought the guy in the back had a huge moustache, but it's just cam cream :(

>>30211717
>You will never hold a C2

By the looks of it, he can barely of claimed to hold one.

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>>30211362
>past their prime?
It is their prime.

Awwww yeah Blackadder is here, dis gon be gud

And sorry I'm at work otherwise I'd be dumping

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Norwegian soldier, not sure of the date.

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Found some more Swedes, guessing these are from the '80s

>>30211592
>the MG34 would spill soviet blood once again

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>>30211835
i like how they tried to hide the flank arrays on launch. comparing with today's photos they are clearly visible.

>>30211730
1985 1st Cav at Ft Hood had steel pot, 3rd ID in Germany had PASGT and Kevlar cammo vest.

>>30211868

Lower left is a reaction image if I ever saw one

>>30211352

> Defending democracy

More like the banking system

>>30211891
Do you have any pics of an F-15 with a Draken? I need one for reasons.

>>30211814
I'll be damned if that's not a nuke sub in disguise.

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Belgian soldiers

>>30211332

Mind the Gap!

>Leopardboner.png

>>30212168
<<C'mon buddy.>>
But really google's not working

>>30211950
Ooh edgy.

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>>30211950 (not me)
>>30212515
back in those days maybe , now your only defending the military industrial complex

>>30212574
The world has always been as fucked as it is right now. Nothing was ever better, nothing is now worse. We haven't 'just now' turned into a cynical unpleasant world, nor did we 'used to be' a shining democratic utopia.

Claiming otherwise is bullshit.

>>30212616
I think we're doing pretty well

We're just not fighting for existence so our energy is looking inward instead of outward

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>>30212693
>I think we're doing pretty well
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about ?

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>>30212616
Democracy is an objectively awful system

>>30211321
So why is it always the Soviets that attack first in these scenarios? How would it play out if NATO were to try to invade the Soviets for a change?

>>30212693
I'm not denying things are pretty okay.

Just that if there's one thing I've learned from every ounce of history I've ever studied, it's that people have generally never been better or worse than they are now. Few things annoy me more than people who talk about some mythic lost age where people were more honest and kind and brave and truthful, and where the country was more honorable and better run and free of corruption.

Or on the flipside about how whatever current generation is the worst and most immoral and stupid and disrespectful and crime prone and so on and so forth.

We are essentially the same people arguing over essentially the same shit today as we were five thousand years ago.

No better, no worse, just people.

>the effectiveness of your combat operations will never be the difference between a conventional war that wraps up, and a nuclear exchange

A..All that weight on my shoulders... I... I don't know if I could senpaitachi ;-;

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>>30211486
>when the riff is playing on the radio
>OH FUCK YEA NEUN UND NEUNZIG LUFTBALLONS
>it's the english version

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NVA panzer units rush West, pushing away NATO defenses, to liberate their misguided brothers.
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>>30212234
Oh I see it

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>>30211332
>tfw no Kursk with MBTs

>>30211950
Better dead than red when you consider all the facts

>>30212827
I have hopes for the future now that I am on track to get me degree

>>30212853
Corrupt Democracy yes but not all democracy is awful

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>>30213052
They may try. While I do like the NVA a bit for the way they tried to maintain German martial traditions, by the late 80's the Bundeswehr had pretty well surpassed them in terms of equipment.

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>>30213713

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>>30213753

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>>30213766

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>>30213781

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>>30213793

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>>30213816

>>30213713
>by the late 80's the Bundeswehr had pretty well surpassed them in terms of equipment.
The Bundeswehr was and is a joke. Literally Iraq tier. Maybe lower, not sure if Saddam let them go home on weekends.

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>>30213869
Have anything to back that up? I'm aware of the deficiencies and clusterfucks that seem to plague the Bundeswehr today but how was it in the 80's?
>>30213861

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>>30213880

>>30211835
that's awesome

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>>30213894

>>30211362
Because of the sharp rise in tensions circa 1983


duh

>>30211741
>how to detect a faggot that's never shot an MG

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Entered service in 1983. I wonder how many would have been ready for combat by 1985? I'd imagine those available would have been tasked with attacking CnC and Air Defense targets.

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Another interesting question is the number of Su-27s available in 1985. They entered service that year.

>>30214179
Reminds me of the shit the "frisbees" were doing in Red Storm Rising.

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The Lancer wasn't introduced until 1986. :(

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Would there have been bronco's in europe?

Would 1985 pre-date the hellfire?

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>>30214449
Hellfires entered service in 1984, so no.

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>>30214336
On the bright side, this would've accelerated development and we would have super BoneRs by now

>>30214470
I have reason to believe that during war time they would've been called raging boners.

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>>30213026
Tbh she sounds pretty qt trying to sing in English but it really just doesn't sound right.

>>30213869
Like >>30213880 says, they might be like that now but I was always under the impression they were one of the more competent NATO armies in the Cold War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBIRGFWNEjU

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>>30211321
I'm still trying to find the source book for these images

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>>30214739

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>>30214751

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>>30214760

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>>30211791
I think what anon meant was that why attack in the 1980s when thats time period that the west generally reached either parity or outright scary levels of tactical dominace, just think of what the west had standing in the way in the 1960 and 70s. Designs that were equal but not as numerous as the kekekeke t55+bmp1, a nice amount of T64s which were modern at the time, and battleplans that entailed just driving towards the Rhine on mass and they had the numers at the time. The west had better training and the token scary airforce. The 80s brought in all the meme stuff we all know and love (What is not MBT-70? M1, Leo 2, tea challys, etc)and reached a point where a ground war would not be generally one sided. INB4 logistics wins wars/reinforcement from the states/well nuclear weapons would be used anyway bla..........

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>>30214773

>>30214889
>Copyright 2007
WiC came out that long ago? I feel old now.

>>30211950
Given the choice between an alleged society run by Da Joos or a bunch of socialists and communists ruining quality of life for everyone. I'll take da joos.

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>>30215640
WHY IS THERE NO MIDDLE GROUND

>>30214336
Thinking an invasion would speed up the process

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>>30215706
I bet you're that asshole at work that ruins everyone's fun when someone brings up a hypothetical question.

Example: Would you rather bang the hottest chick at work and no one will EVER know except you, and only you. Or, not bang her and EVERYONE thinks you did.

Or: Would you rather suck Michael Moore's dick for 10000$ and no one would know, or Michael Bloomberg dick for 1,000,000$ and EVERYONE would know you blew Michael Bloomberg for 1,000,000. The kicker is you can spend the 10 grand on anything but on the one million you can't spend it on any guns, ammo, militaria, any weapons of any kind.

>>30211532
I have a book like this, I'll scan it and upload sometime

>>30215840
>Example: Would you rather bang the hottest chick at work and no one will EVER know except you, and only you. Or, not bang her and EVERYONE thinks you did.

The first one for sure, you get to bang the hottest chick and you don't have to deal with the office drama bullshit that would arise.

>>30211717
I have though :^)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EULD1HRtIPw

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someone said comfy cold war thread?

>>30211623
wtf is that smaller one? i know the other is a typhoon

>>30216636
Thats an oscar not a typhoon

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okay, did my part

>>30212616
the stasi would be more effective with today's technology

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>>30211532

But there is mah nigga

ISBN-13 978-1-59223-696-1
ISBN-10 1-59223-696-0

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Cold War autist here, I've collected data on Warsaw Pact vs NATO strength levels. Will dump it all now. This information is from 1988.

We'll start with Soviet forces directly in the European theatre, though it should be noted that the Soviets could quickly have brought massively more forces to the combat zone quickly.

*Western Group of Forces (West Germany): 380,000 Personnel
-7,258 T-80/72/62/55 Tanks
-4,564 BMP-1/2 IFV
-308 BMD-1/2 IFV
-5,616 BTR-60/70/80 APC
-673 BRDM-2 AFV
-108 ASU-85 Assault Gun
-1,104 2S1 SPH
-1,488 2S3 SPH
-358 2S5 SPH
-96 2S7 SPH
-48 S29 Self-Propelled Mortar
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-286 D-20 152mm Towed
-540 D-30 122mm Towed
-408 T-12 100mm Towed
-648 BM-21 MLRS
-72 BM-27 MLRS
-402 ZSU-23 Gun SPAAGs
-74 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-240 SA-8 SAM Launchers
-192 SA-9 SAM Launchers
-244 SA-13 SAM Launchers
-40 SA-15 SAM Launchers
-106 RSD-10 Pioneer Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles
-144 SS-1 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-18 SS-23 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-108 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-384 Mi-24
-264 Mi-8
-144 Mi-2
-209 MiG-29
-396 MiG-23
-15 MiG-31
-75 MiG-25
-153 MiG-27
-60 Su-24
-45 Su-25


*Center Group of Forces (Czechoslovakia): ~85,000 Personnel
-1,020 T-80/72/64 Tanks
-755 BMP-1/2 IFVs
-936 BTR-60/70/80 APCs
-17 BMD-1/2 IFV
-6 ASU-85 Assault Gun
-102 BRDM-2 AFVs
-258 2S1/2S3 SPH
-96 2S5 SPH
-24 2S7 SPH
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-432 D-30 122mm Towed
-142 T-12 100mm Towed
-144 BM-21 MLRS
-20 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-36 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-52 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-54 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-18 SA-5 SAM Launchers
-104 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-80 Mi-24
-50 Mi-8
-30 Mi-2
-45 MiG-23
-45 MiG-27
-45 Su-17

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>>30216935
*Southern Group of Forces (Hungary): ~65,000 Personnel
-764 T-80/72/64 Tanks
-598 BMP-1/2 IFVs
-624 BTR-60/70/80 APCs
-17 BMD-1/2 IFVs
-6 ASU-85 Assault Guns
-77 BRDM-2 AFVs
-144 2S1/2S3 SPHs
-96 2S5 SPH
-24 2S7 SPH
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-144 D-30 122mm Towed
-60 T-12 100mm Towed
-126 BM-21 MLRS
-54 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-80 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-32 ZSU-23 SPAAGs
-16 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-36 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-64 Mi-24
-44 Mi-8
-24 Mi-2
-45 MiG-29
-90 MiG-23
-90 Su-17
-45 Su-25
-15 MiG-21R

*Northern Group of Forces (Poland): ~58,000 Personnel
-382 T-64 Tanks
-300 BMP-1/2 IFV
-312 BTR-60/70/80 APC
-96 2S1/2S3 SPH
-36 D-30 122mm Towed
-12 T-12 100mm Towed
-36 BM-21 MLRS
-8 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-18 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-16 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-40 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-27 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-52 Mi-24
-32 Mi-8
-12 Mi-2
-150 MiG-29
-50 MiG-23
-270 Su-24

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>>30216941
>East Germany
*Army: 120,000 Active, 518,000 Reserve
-549 T-72M Tanks
-2,251 T-54/55 Tanks
-150 PT-76 Light Tanks
-1,130 BMP-1/2 FVs
-1,128 BTR-70 APCs
-1,480 BTR-60P APCs
-762 BTR-152 APCs
-2,000 BRDM-1 & 2 AFVs
-96 2S3 SPH
-374 2S1 SPH
-137 D-20 152mm Towed
-176 M-46 130mm Towed
-395 D-30 122mm Towed
-407 M-30 122mm Towed
-267 T-12 100mm Towed
-64 D-48 100mm Towed
-25 FROG-7 SSM
-8 SS-21 SSM
-2 SS-23 SSM
-131 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-226 SA-4/SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-295 ZU-23 23mm AAA
-244 S-60 57mm AAA
-51 Mi-24
-60 Mi-8/17
-8 Mi-2

*Air Force: 39,000 Active, 37,000 Reserve
-20 MiG-29
-48 MiG-23
-100 MiG-21
-23 Su-22
-22 MiG-21R
-3 An-14
-12 An-26
-3 Tu-134
-2 Tu-154
-24 An-2
-12 L-410
-10 Z-43
-30 Mi-8
-205 SA-2, SA-3, & SA-5 SAM Launchers

*Navy: 16,300 Active, 18,000 Reserve
-5 Koni Class Frigates
-16 Parchim-I Class Corvette
-5 Tarantul-I Class Missile Boats
-10 Osa-1 Class Missile Boats
-1 BAL-COM-10 Class Missile Boat
-6 Shershen Class Torpedo Boats
-6 Libelle Class Torpedo Boats
-24 Kondor-II Class Minesweeper
-12 Frosch Class Landing Ship
-23 Su-22
-13 Mi-8
-14 Mi-14
-2 Styx Anti-Ship Missile Batteries

*Paramilitary: 40,000 Border Guard, 700,000 Worker’s Militia, 15,000 Alert Police

>>30216944
>Bulgaria
*Army: 70,000 Active, 420,000 Reserve
-334 T-72 Tanks
-80 T-62 Tanks
-1,612 T-54 Tanks
-862 T-34 Tanks
-86 BMP-2 IFVs
-31 BMP-1 IFVs
-803 BTR-60 APCs
-1,481 MT-LB APC
-450 BRDM-1/2 AFVs
-728 2S1 SPH
-13 2S3 SPH
-222 BM-21 MLRS
-40 RM-130 MLRS
-211 D-20 152mm Towed
-104 ML-20 152mm Towed
-74 M-46 130mm Towed
-40 A-19 122mm Towed
-675 M-30 122mm Towed
-24 BS-3 100mm Towed
-28 FROG-7 SSM
-36 Scud SSM
-8 SS-21 SSM
-30 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
-400 ZU-23 23mm & S-60 57mm AAA
-50 SA-4, SA-6, SA-13 SAM Launchers

*Air Force: 22,000 Active, 45,000 Reserve
-20 MiG-29
-70 MiG-23
-160 MiG-21
-36 MiG-19
-30 MiG-17
-21 Su-21
-40 Su-25
-10 MiG-25R
-5 MiG-17R
-10 MiG-21R
-10 Su-22R
-6 An-30 Recon
-4 An-2
-5 An-24
-5 An-26
-1 L-410
-1 Yak-40
-70 L-29
-30 L-39
-40 Mi-24
-30 Mi-8
-20 Mi-4
-10 Mi-2
-205 SA-2, SA-3, & SA-5 SAM Launchers
-10 S-300 SAM Launchers

*Navy: 10,000 Active, 7,000 Reserve
-Riga Class Corvette (2)
-Poti Class ASW Corvette (5)
-Osa Class Missile Boat (6)
-Shershen Class Torpedo Boat (6)
-SO-1 Class Patrol Boat (3)
-Zhuk Class Patrol Boat (7)
-T-43 Class Minesweeper (1)
-Sonya Class Minesweeper (4)
-Romeo Class Submarines (4)
-Polnochny Class Landing Ship (2)
-Vydra Class Landing Craft (19)
-3 Mi-8
-3 Mi-4
-6 Mi-2
-6 Mi-14
-150 100mm & 130mm Coastal Guns
-2 Styx Anti-Ship Missile Battery’s


*Paramilitary: 13,000 Border Guard, 15,000 Construction Troops, 8,000 Civil Defense Troops, 15,000 Internal Troops

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>>30216946
>Czechoslovakia
*Army: 145,000 Active, 250,000 Reserve
-815 T-72 Tanks
-1,543 T-55 Tanks
-1,547 T-54 Tanks
-50 T-34 Tanks
-2,252 BMP-1 IFVs
-242 BMP-2 IFVs
-464 OT-62 APCs
-1,568 OTR-64 APCs
-333 OT-810 APCs
-642 OT-65 APCs
-970 BRDM-1/2 AFVs
-360 DANA SPH
-148 2S1 SPH
-12 2S7 SPH
-8 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-466 RM-70 MLRS
-388 RM-130 MLRS
-48 ML-20 152mm Towed
-113 M-46 130mm Towed
-258 D-30 122mm Towed
-995 M-30 122mm Towed
-120 A-19 120mm Towed
-559 M-53 100mm Towed
-36 FROG-7 SSM
-8 SS-21 SSM
-30 Scud SSM
-10 SS-23 SSM
-27 SA-4 SAM Launchers
~200 SA-6, SA-8, SA-9, SA-13 SAM Launchers
~500 M-53/59 Praga SPAAG
~100 S-60 57mm AAA


*Air Force: 56,000 Active, 45,000 Reserve
-20 MiG-29
-65 MiG-25
-305 MiG-21
-25 Su-25
-50 Su-7
-2 Tu-134 EW
-5 L-29 Recon
-16 MiG-21R
-10 Su-22R
-2 An-12
-16 An-24
-5 Il-14
-30 L-410
-1 Tu-134
-30 L-29
-60 L-39
-60 Mi-24
-75 Mi-8
-30 Mi-2
-250 SA-2, SA-3, & SA-5 SAM Launchers
-10 S-300 SAM Launchers

*Paramilitary: 27,000 National Security Corps, 11,000 Border Guard, 120,000 People’s Militia

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>>30216660
Left is a Typhoon, right looks like Akula-class.

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>Hungary
*Army: 77,000 Active, 125,000 Reserve
-138 T-72 Tanks
-1,287 T-54/55 Tanks
-91 T-34 Tanks
-542 BMP-1 IFVs
-140 BTR-50, BTR-60, BTR-80 APC
-1,609 FUG APCs
-67 MT-LB APCs
-340 BRDM-1 AFVs
-160 BRDM-2 AFVs
-154 2S1 SPH
-18 2S3 SPH
-58 BM-21 MLRS
-308 D-20 152mm Towed
-51 D-1 152mm Towed
-235 M-30 122mm Towed
-106 MT-12 100mm Towed
-163 D-44 85mm Towed
-18 FROG-7 SSM
-9 Scud SSM
-14 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
-144 S-60 57mm AAA
-18 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-44 SA-6 SAM Launchers
-44 SA-9 SAM Launchers
-14 SA-13 SAM Launchers

*Air Force: 22,000 Active, 9,400 Reserve
-45 MiG-23
-90 MiG-21
-10 Su-22R
-40 Mi-24
-2 An-24
-9 An-26
-5 Mi-2
-48 Mi-8
-120 SA-2 & SA-3 SAM Launchers

*Paramilitary: 15,000 Security Police, 16,000 Border Guard, 60,000 Worker’s Guard

>>30211451
Dick status: Muh

>>30211963
"Ckya blyat Vatnik! Now is not time to be of playings American rock music!

>>30211623
>more were sunk by accident rather than as target practice by NATO sub's
kek never change vatniks

>>30211604
all good i guess by your pciture your more a navy man like the other man said leo 2 Leo 2a1 or a2 anything before a4 looks like slab sides thier

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>>30214889
>parity
>tactical dominance
I don't think those mean what you think they mean. War with the Soviets in 1975-1985 would have been literally like fighting Borgs.

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>>30211950

>>30212870
It wouldn't. the Soviets had the numbers in a conventional war, NATO was geared up for defensive actions.

>>30216955
Dis nigga is right, Typhoon and Akula

>>30217064
GLORIOUS ROMANIA!

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Here is a Vulcan symbolically shitting flares on a Russian carrier

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Last exercises of soviet PMP regiment in DDR. 7 minutes for complete deployment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpD7esUuwDU

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>>30217104
I thought that was in ukraine, guess I was wrong

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>>30217118
11/12

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>>30216935

Can we not clog the thread with this shit? its now pretty much dead...

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>>30217120
12/12

>>30212574
>military industrial complex
military industrial university complex

stop giving the research arm a pass.

>>30214889
Soviet strategy was always to deploy numerous operational groups, mounted in the wheeled BTRs, to quickly penetrate the NATO operational depth, causing havoc, and destroying NATO infrastructure and logistics, the primary targets being airfields.
Heavy NATO forces were particularly unsuited to intercepting these nimble pincers; the Bradley weighed almost 30t and the Abrams close to 60t by this stage, with a maximum cross-country speed of 25mph. There was no chance of any sort of US-West German counter-offensive. Ten days wasn’t nearly enough for US to get an armoured division deployed and going into an offensive via REFORGER, and the Soviets would have been long over at Rheine by then.

>>30217122
Fuck off

>>30217128
Wouldnt NATO's technological advantage stop this?

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>>30217152
Not the dude who posted that, but fantastically though out argument there friendo

You really put him in his place, damn

>>30214465
>both M1A2s and an Armor CV, plus change
10/10 anon

>>30217138
he's got a point tho

>>30217195
He really doesn't, I liked going through all of those images

>>30217174
Why would anyone need to put out an argument to disprove something that's demonstrably not true? It's like claiming that Russia isn't in Ukraine, only a fool makes such statements that are so easily disprovable.

>>30217197
I get it m8 don't get me wrong I like the drawn uniforms and depictions and all, but I feel this thread is more photo based

>>30217150
Technological advantage doesn't win battles. Speed, aggression and mobility does. Furthermore, what specific advantages are we talking about? The 1985 M1 Abrams were still A1, manufactured with the 105mm US version of the British L7 gun, originally designed to defeat the old T-55 tanks (manufactured in 1955). Since 1993 it was conclusively shown that the 105mm gun was ineffective against T-72's frontal armor even at less than 500 meters.

>>30211755
maybe we can....modernize it?

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>>30217236
>with the 105mm US version of the British L7 gun,

>M68
>a US version of the L7

How can you be this wrong?

>originally designed to defeat the old T-55 tanks

And?

>Since 1993 it was conclusively shown that the 105mm gun was ineffective against T-72's frontal armor even at less than 500 meters.

WEW LAD
E
W
L
A
D

We've had more than enough of these threads on /k/ that there's zero reason to be this ignorant.

>>30217152
faggot

>>30217254
>>M68
>>a US version of the L7
>How can you be this wrong?


But he's right. Its just a US made L7. What do you think it is?

>>30217128

The problem with Reforger is that it was a pretty bad idea overall in the context of a war against the Soviets. The Reforger sites were all known to the Soviets so all they really needed to do was to drop a couple of tactical nuclear strikes on them, leaving the US with an entire Corps without any heavy equipment.

Even in the unrealistic "no nukes" scenario the first move any competent Soviet commander would do would be to bomb the sites and drop a couple of airborne battalions on them to deprive NATO of some of its best units right from the outset. In the first place the Soviet General Staff had the 'Swiss Cheese' concept. This is where the Warsaw Pact intelligence gathering and reconnaissance troops would precede the general offensive by about 72 hours. The first act of war wasn't going to be artillery, but massed jamming and disruption of military and civilian communications. What would have followed next were attempts to disrupt the command and control by assassinating military and civilian leaderships everywhere.

That's the kind of enemy the West was dealing with mere 30 years ago.

>>30211374
Two Russian tank drivers are sitting in a cafe in Paris. One turns to the other and says
>So, tell me, Yuri. Who won the air war?

>>30215640
>not knowing the soviet union was run by jewish bolsheviks

>>30216957
>FUG APCs
:DDDD
The finno-ugric ugric heritage is showing

Shitposting aside, do you have the stats for NATO and/or the neutrals.

>>30217305
No, it isn't. The M68 comes from the 105mm gun program that was named T254. The only thing that the M68 (the T254E2 variant) and L7 can share are barrels and ammunition as they both have the same twist.

>>30211963
oh yeah new phone wallpaper. thanks anon

>>30211732
Cpt. Price!

>>30212827
#giveAmericatheJohnson

>>30213869
>>30213880
>>30214525

That guy who said that the Bundeswher is literally Iraqi tier is wrong but does raise a point about moral. The Bundeswher had really great equipment but some guys in intelligence believed the West Germans lacked the resolve to spill their own blood for their cities. For example Ralph Peters, who was a NATO intelligence officer, used what he believed to be a lack of moral in his book "Red Army."

>>30214773
>>30214760
>>30214751
>>30214739

I have a little feeling, that I saw these images colored in the World in Conflict single player campaign...

Idk, maybe.

>>30217011
By the '80s the Soviets had to have Luck on their side. Even the author for that book wrote in the last section that the Soviets mostly relied on luck

Someone should make a new thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebOmKEsyDQs

>>30217236

the M1A1 introduced the 120mm, you're thinking of the M1 proper.

>>30217986

we still have some 66 posts before bump limit, might as well start linking things instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-O3kYrDPbI

>>30218117
Allright.
Have some Bulgarians catapulting out of bright orange MiG-19s so they can be used as practice targets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsm07UpMOpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrWDe9YoZlk

>>30214465
Wots this?

>>30216427
/k/ should try to play it sometime. The amount of guns are at autism levels

>>30218633
Wargame Red Dragon, Cold War gone hot RTS with fairly faithful units and gameplay and a mind boggling number of units and nations to chose from.

I quite like it, that's the after game kill list page and that T-72 had a very impressive game.

>>30211592
they could probably take on hundreds of soviets but at some point a bmp or trash-62 will kill them
>sadness

>>30216935
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>>30216957
no one fucking cares
we just want cool cold war pictures you autistic faggot

>>30218711
I can't get over how americans get tactical battlefield missiles, the DUTCH get them, but no eastern country has them, when in reality every single eastern country had them with no exception and they were extremely rare in nato.

>>30217138
can you stop posting your autistic garbage?

>>30219610
I was interested in the history

shame you're a bunch of ADD millennials

>>30217358
Whew lad we've had enough of these threads on /k/ for you to not be this ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M68
"a United States tank gun that is a variant of Royal Ordnance L7"

>>30219678
you're copy pasting numbers and boring uniform drawings and you say that you're interested in the history?
You're actually autistic and should consult a fucking doctor

>>30219708
>"boring drawings"

Lel I'm not even that guy, but it's clear you're under 18 years old.

>>30219727
the thread was full of really nice 80's photos of various forces. If you want good pictures of those uniforms in reality you should look at those photos not the same boring uniform/forces pictures that have been reposted by this autist everytime theres a cold war thread

we'll need a new thread if we want more images.

>>30219748
"hurr boring photos"

"we want cool pictures"

grow the fuck up and learn to appreciate history. Not everything is "cool pictures" of neato tankz!

>>30218677

Oh yes, you can find every book online as PDF.

There are vehicle and weapons manuals for Warsaw pact and NATO - literally hundreds of pages of guns and vehicles.

>>30219763
Made one.

>>30219832
and you didn't link us you retard?

>>30219847
Yeah im a dum dum.
New thread.
>>30219781

>>30219708
>>30219748
Go somewhere else you anti-intellectual shitposter.

>>30214889
>The 80s brought in all the meme stuff we all know and love (What is not MBT-70? M1, Leo 2, tea challys, etc)

Do you realize that it takes a while to equip forces with newest stuff.

Only reason Leo2, Abrams, Challenger, F-15's, F-16's, UH-60's, AH-64's and so on became so dominant part of NATO forces in early 90's is end of Cold War, troop cuts after that led to mass retirement of legacy equipment.

In mid 80's it would have been mostly single engine AH-1's, UH-1's, M60's, M48's, Leopard 1's, Phantom II's, Mirage 5's and so on.

>>30218677
>/k/ should try to play it sometime. The amount of guns are at autism levels

If you want to get into true RPG autism... only option is Phoenix Command.

>>30213894
I want everything in that pic.

>>30217122
Fuck off and die nigger.

>>30214470
Was that at the air show in Abilene?

>>30217329
>jewish bolsheviks
>not under mass graves under Stalin Regime
>doesn't know about the Stalin high command purges

>>30217329
So the jews controled both the communists and the capitalists. At what point do you not say "ok, they win"?

>>30219627
True, though the eastern countries aren't exactly lacking in arty.

I had an Eastern Block support deck called "I can't believe it's not Bkan" that had about 40 some Bkan artillery pieces, some of the best long toms in the game with a shitton of FOBs to feed them all.

Reducing entire towns to moonscapes in one barrage.

>>30211321

>NATO shits bricks; deploys a nuclear weapon on Moscow
>moscow sees it coming
>sends some nuclear missils towards Washington
>based missle defense system destroys them in flight
>soviet soldiers immediately leave Afghanistan
>get fucked by nato ground troops
>turns out all this was just Matthew Broderick playing a computer game

>>30220848
>based missle defense system destroys them in flight
>not even today we have a system that can destroy all of them
>even if you managed to stop 90% of the bombs, at least 500 would still fall in the US.

>>30211698
>>30211717
I think it's fucking bullshit that our country banned "FAL and any variant" when this is literally part of our heritage.

My Dad served during this period. I was born in friggin West Germany ON BASE. And I can never own one of these guns.
800% PISSED at the Liberal gov't fucking things up over and over again. I can own all the Chinkshit and Israeli guns I want, of course... but not the Canadian gun featured in any of my dad's old pics, or all the comics.
(Guy he served with was a cartoonist. Drew 12 comic strips about him being crazy around the base. Got them framed in his trophy room)

>>30221486

I'm guessing non leftists are not in the majority in your country?

>>30221735
You guess correct.
Sorta
Basically it has always been kinda 50/50, so the vote flipflops all the time. But last election featured a propaganda war against the leader of the conservatives on a personal level, while the libs put forward a young guy in favour of loose weed laws.
So they kinda snuck it out from under the conservatives with a big win, by social media and memes.

But that's alright. He has done nothing but fuck up and go back on shit since he got in, so you better believe the conservatives will be in next election. And they just voted within party that their party policy will be to repeal like, over half of the Canadian gun control laws.

>>30221827

When is the next election in your country?

>>30221990
Too far away...
Essentially should be in 3 years. But Canada actually has a funny sort of system where terms are not rigid. Basically it could be anywhere from 3 to 6 years in a term. But for most politicians, it's a game of strategy. If you are not optimistic of reelection, you may push it to 5 years to accomplish something and make yourself look better.
Conversely, if you just did something great at the 3 year mark, maybe an early election will guarantee a win. Or you could get desperate and push into a sixth year, but then everyone knows you suck and nobody will vote for you.

Also, there is no 2 term rule like in the states. So the early election thing has no downside. You could get elected 10 times in a row if you really are that good.

So we are stuck with Trudeau for another 2 years minimum. Then hopefully he will get falsely confident, call an early election, and get BTFO by the Conservatives, who don't really have a new front man yet. Harper just retired. Probably depressed over how the Libs made him look like an sociopathic robot last year, ignoring the fact that he carried us through a depression.

It would be a glorious war of epic proportions, even if it only stayed at duking it out in the fulda gap, but im kinda glad it never happened

i kind of think we wouldnt be able to react in time

>>30216548
MTLB leading a convoy? Why do they have anyone other than a driver in there? It's a big fucking target with frontal armor than can be penetrated by small arms fire.

>>30221735
70%~ are leftists who voted for closet commie parties
The NDP are super incompetent & crazy
The liberals are blatantly corrupt budget wreckers

And the conservative voter base are just leftists who want to pay less taxes

I don't see Canada surviving this century intact
annex plox

>>30222547
That's not an MTLB.

>>30216521
kek. "they can make me go to war but they can't make me like it"

>>30217249
I want to modernize the battleship.

>>30220110
yea but atleast it would't just be all Leo 1, or M60 which received upgrades anyway. AH1s and Mirages and sex phantoms whould still be revelant in the 80s, just more venerable. My old taxi diver was a tanker in germany in 84-87 and he said they didnt recieve their first M1 till 85, he said that his old M60A1 not the A3, had a life expectancy of mins compared to when the abrams came around with British magic armor. Was nice to talk to someone who lived in the era and didnt know what we know now.

>>30217092
what is 3 carrying?

>>30225617
LPO-50 flamethrower

bumping for a friend

>>30219627
It's because the expansion was specifically for the Dutch. They had a dutch autist working on it for a long fucking time and then went 'wow this guy did a shit load of work, we should charge for it'

>>30219698
>Using wikipedia as your source, especially when it's objectively wrong

Meanwhile, on the page it directly links to

>U.S. built gun for the M60 Patton. Initially designated as the T254E2, it is a variant of the indigenous U.S. 105mm T254. Unlike the 105mm T254, its tube was interchangeable with that of the British X15E8.[5] It retains the round breech with a vertically-sliding breechblock of the T254 and initially used a concentric bore evacuator, which was later replaced with an eccentric bore evacuator.[6]

>it is a variant of the indigenous U.S. 105mm T254.
>indigenous

>>30216955
>dat webm
glorious.
the accent makes it 100 times better
>tfw no BF 1982, not ever

>>30221486
>Drew 12 comic strips about him being crazy around the base. Got them framed in his trophy room
Well you gotta post them then

>>30228590
I will some time. But he lives way the tits out in the backwoods now. And I live in Toronto. Will snap pics next time I am up to visit, and post em.

Also will snap some pics of the trophy room. He's got some really weird stuff.

>>30217334

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpcwI2ZKqeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0aPkjb7P8I

FUG :DDDDDDD

>>30222547
You cant even see is there are('nt) vehicles in front.

>>30217249
Needs some gliders

>>30211730
>late 70's - early mid 80's cold war

Something about this era I always found sexy. I guess it's got to do with being a transitional period btwn the nam era and 90's era (woodland camo BDUs)

Where you see M16A1's mixed with A2s, M1 steel helmets mixed with PASGTs, The M1s are a mix with woodland camo and mitchell covers, LBE gear. Woodland camo making it's entry but some guys got the OD stuff.

and for the vehicles you have that classy as fuck MERDC cammo in all shape and forms

Muh M113s of all sort
Muh M60A1 - Starship A2 - And A3 Master race
Muh M109s
Muh Mutts

Followed by the new shit... and all in Master race Merdc

M1 Abrams
Bradley
Humvees

Hueys, Cobras, and Chinooks, F4 Phantoms, mixed with F15s, and F16, Fucking BRRRTTS A10s,

Am I the only one who wants to fap now???

>>30211332

[West german mech deck intensifies]