/akg/ AK General

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i'm early for once.

obligatory offensive/disrespectful ak.

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pls tell me this was $1000 well spent

>>30202326

>ak thread
>vz

you fucked up twice, son.

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The first shipment has cleared customs for those who didn't see the last thread
>>30202326
>mfw I bought mine w/ 3 mags and extras for $430

>>30202185
is possible have 1 of this in EU ?

>>30202403
No is the short answer.

>>30202399
>$430
yours is probably a cai vz2000, not a cz58

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Made for nogunz with not even the slightest knowledge of the rifle. Absolutely basic information which could be found in any of their videos.

3/10

>>30202399
You got 2 rpk74 mags? and how much for the 2?

>>30202403
Depends on the country. Austria, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Croatia, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Belgium, Luxembourg, sure. Maybe Greece and Italy, too. Don't know anything about Portugal or Spanish gun laws.

The rest of them probably not. UK if you have a MARS trigger. Ireland not a chance.

Does anybody have a chart listing the "tiers" of AK's similar to the SKS one?

I checked the sticky and there didn't seem to be anything specifically about AK's.

I'm planning on getting one within the next few paychecks and I want to do my research on the types, variants and quality of each type/variant before giving away my money.

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>>30202511
this.

How expensive do you think ak's are going to get by the time november rolls around?

>>30202511
It was. But fortunately it escaped the usual fucking that they get. I'm probably going to trade it for a wasr or sell it and save for something better

>>30202554
Email me and we'll sort it all out. [email protected]

>>30202521
Not really surprising. What did you expect?

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>>30202185
I'm trying to make a modern 74 buy guide but I have no idea how I should categorize, this what I got so far.

>>30202688
>CAI M74

You're fucking joking right? That's almost as bad as putting IO on there.

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>>30202654
that is fortunate. I live in Maryland so this is the closest I can get :)

inb4 move to Virginia

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Sidefolders are so fucking convenient

>>30202555
lol, my situation is more complicated, i live in swiss LOL.
Norinco is allowed and bulgarian or izmash

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>>30202557
>I'm planning on getting one within the next few paychecks and I want to do my research on the types, variants and quality of each type/variant

It's gonna take a lot longer than that to figure out all the variants.

If you're on a budget, WASR
Slightly higher budget, DDI
Higher still, Arsenal
Money no object, custom build from a reputable builder (preferably not a Rifle Dynamics)

>Here's all the AK variants, in bound form. It's a lot.

>>30202757
>preferably not a Rifle Dynamics

Elaborate? I know their rifles are retard-expensive, but are they actually bad quality?

>>30202765
No, but they are very overpriced for what they are.

Does anybody know if a vepr is NY legal? (Suffolk)

http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/563627465

Also anyone know if these are good rifles?

>>30202757
Ah, well I don't quite mean every single Kalashnikov ever made, really just the major popular variants.

Let's say that my budget will lie between $800 - $1200 (maximum, stretching it at that). What particular manufacturers should I be wary of and which ones should I look towards? Which country? Stuff like that.

Thanks for the info.

>>30202795
>http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/563627465
veprs are very solid rifles. non standard furniture being the biggest con but imagine youll leave it as is, being in NY and all

>>30202795
Never fired or felt one but theyre built on an RPK reciever which is a little bit thicker than the standard reciever(0.5mm I think). I've heard nothing but good things about them.

>>30202814
everyone has different opinions bc that price range gets you a lot of options. despite the current paint issues, i still believe the slr series is the preferable option.

>>30202765
>>30202776
Shit, hit post before I finished.

For the same 2k, you could get a good builder to build a great rifle of your choosing with a new combloc CHF chrome lined barrel.

With a RD you're getting a US made barrel and the "Rifle Dynamics" trigger job (not necessary and if you want a perfectly smooth action 10 minutes and a honing stone will do the same. So will shooting it.), the "Fuller" rear sight mod (cutting the rear notch bigger and rounding the edges), and a bolton gas block.

No builder worth his salt uses bolton gasblocks.

>>30202844
>despite the current paint issues, i still believe the slr series is the preferable option
I agree with this, but they're pretty much gone (107s except the UR) until next year.
So unless a 104 is what he's looking for, he's probably going to have to scrounge the secondary market for a 107.

>>30202844
>>30202847
>>30202882
Ok, so I'm not quite looking in the collectors market, rather I'm looking more for a SHTF Insurance AK (I.E. Shitlary becomes pres.). I don't quite want a cheap one which, while it will work fine, may be subject to easy damage. I want one that's reliable as well as extremely solid as well, which is why my budget lies in the intermediate range.

So I'm pretty much looking for a standard AK-47 of very good build quality. Hopefully that helps describe what I'm looking for.

>>30202882
i agree with what youre saying. you might be paying a little bit more bc of current inventory, but its not so bad right now. for example
>http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_122/1538240_WTS___Arsenal_107f_Tan_7_62x39_New_without_box.html
even though i dont like the tan and its maybe $50-100 over what i would like to pay, its very doable
>>30202909
what caliber do you want?

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>>30202399
Fuck the anticipation is killing me

>>30202711
Is it really worse than an IO?

>>30202399

When are you closing orders for the second shipment? I need some plums and RPK mags.

>>30203141
>Almost as bad

I never said it was worse than IO. I said they had enough problems to be pretty comparable. There aren't many companies that have put out worse products than IO.

>>30203014
I'm not entirely sure. My brother's SKS shoots 7.62x39, I like it well enough. I've never had a chance to fire 5.45x39 or 5.56.45 before, so I can't speak for those.

Probably standard 7.62x39 I guess.

Just bought my first ak, and I want to stain the furniture to be a little darker because I like that look better.

Anyone know of a good product to use for this?

>>30203500

Best SHTF AK right now is an SLR-107FR if you can find one. Next best would be a WASR 10 or a DDI.

The true best SHTF rifle is an AR-15 though. Way easier to find ammo, magazines, and parts than any AK.

>>30203208
I guess I'll adjust it, haven't even gotten to "shit AKs do not buy."

>>30202688

The sgl31 is a converted saiga, that's not a plus it's a heavily hacked up sporter at the end of the day in ak form.

>>30203660

You don't replace parts on a ak like a AR besides springs, vs the AR were the parts don't last.

>>30203191
Not for a little while probably. But after this shipment there will be another break

>>30203726
Or break a gas tube or some stupid roll pin. GL "surviving" in the mountains for a decade with muh Larue meme

>>30203714
No it's not. It comes in sporter configuration with none of the welds that are needed if someone bought a base model Saiga.

I.E. They come in like an SGL-10 ready to be made into a SGL-21 or 31. They don't need to be welded unlike the IZ-240s etc.

>>30203660
Fucking damn man, SLR's are expensive af. I don't expect to get my hands on one of those until I actually have a career established.

The WASR looks pretty good though. I'm confused though, is WASR a type/variant/model, or is that a manufacturer?

Also I'm not all too fond of AR's.

>>30203660
Wish people would stop with this shtf muh common ammo/mags rifles

In a proper shtf if anyone runs out of rifle ammo theyre going to bushwhack the first poor bastard they stumble across and steal their shit and skull fuck their corpse

Second if you're getting into firefights in a shtf you won't last 2 months with unlimited ammo and food

Third a pistol and hand full of mags is going to be the best shtf combo because rifles and all those imaginary mags/plate carriers with a backpack full of food is going to be heavy yo and based on the average body type all these shtf "preppers" they're going to die from heat exhaustion and dehydration

>>30203714
>The sgl31 is a converted saiga
>it's a heavily hacked up sporter
This is so incredibly uninformed

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is Arsenal releasing any more slr104's with triangle stocks this year?
Everywhere I look says out of stock.

>>30203809
Cugir is the manufacturer WASR is the rifle, it has been imported in a number of different configurations.

>>30202795
not NY legal because of thumbhole stock, which are not allowed same as pistol grips

>>30203880
Ah, ok. Thanks.

>>30203826

show me on the doll where the prepper touched you.

>>30203874
Couldn't you just buy one with a stock and pin on a triangle stock?

>>30203982
I hope you mean a polymer sidefolder. If you mean a standard rear stock, ho boy.

>>30202399
Actually all three have cleared customs.
Btw i'm getting lots of cool plums (this time a bit more expensive) and 30 rnd 5.45 bakes, and still have a ton of 5.45 rpk bakes so feel free to order.

>>30203726

quality AR parts don't break you fucking idiot. The bolts might at 15K rounds but that's it.

>>30203982

this. some little bird told me it was due to Arsenal running low on triangle stocks. you're going to have to replace the stock yourself or wait till Arsenal gets more stocks made.

>>30203999
Hope you forgot your trip, but anyways, when should we expect our mags by?

>>30203523
Stain, ideally a darker one

>>30203987
Yes, I mean a sidefolder. What else could I be talking about when it comes to a triangle stock?

>>30204040
I don't have a trip, i'm not VAFag, i'm the Ruski supplier.
Last time i sent, big boxes like that took a bit more time to leave the Russian airport than expected but since they cleared customs just fine they'll arrive for sure.

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>>30204090
Ah, alright. Thank you for your service of awesome mags.

>>30203902
Thanks for the heads up, guess that sucks

>>30203999

trips confirms lord of war.

>>30202399

Do you have a form 6?

>>30202185
Question about the muzzle brake

Is it worth it to buy an aftermarket -74 style brake for my WASR?

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>>30204387
It'll help sure, but it's kinda faggot on a 14x1 7.62 rifle. WASRs are kinda tough to fine something that doesn't clash with it. I'd go with something really simple

>PKML hider
>echo93 short hider
>definitive arms DA fighter

Surplus brake selection is pretty limited

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Anyone know where to source a faceted two piece AK74 brake? I've got a WTB add up on the Files so I don't mind waiting but if anyone knows where to find one elsewhere that'd be neat.

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>>30202326
>$1000

I bought mine NIB with six mags for $650 with free shipping and a reimbursed FFL fee seven or eight years ago

I love the gun but I'd be very hard pressed to pay a grand for one.

>>30204065
Some people don't realize the amount of work it takes to go from a fixed stock to a triangle.

>>30204543

>faceted two piece AK74 brake

i'm unfamiliar with this muzzle brake. got any pics?

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>>30205084
Nothing special, it was just the standard 74 brake throughout the majority of the 80s before being replaced by the current 74M brake in 1990. I'm looking for one to fit the look of my rifle as I'm slowly making it resemble a late 80s Soviet Afghan War AKS-74.

>>30204842
two rivers quoted me $225 + price of parts and refinishing- so maybe $500+ when everything is said and done. i knew it'd be pricey but for that much, ill just buy one with a triangle folder already on it.

>>30205144

ah, i see. this might be what you're looking for:

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/561008643

>>30204842
So do like I said, and buy a SLR-104FR, unhinge the folding stock, and rehinge a triangle stock. You can get them on ebay for $45 for god's sake.

>>30203874
Just buy a polymer 104 and a triangle folder off the akfiles marketplace. All you have to do is tap out the pin to swap stocks.

>>30205285
>>30205350
He said (((fixed))) guys

>>30205393
Yes but a fixed stock wasn't even a question, the question pertained to an SLR-104FR which has a folding stock anyways. Of course it is hard to put a folding stock on a rifle with a fixed stock, you need a new trunnion and new cuts in the receiver. However, the gun in question is an SLR-104FR.

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I fucking love the AK103

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>>30202399
>mfw fags actually paid $1,100 for an ak47
>mfw I paid only $400 for mine

fucking idiots.

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>>30205599

>>30205599
The money you saved can go towards the hospital bill.

>>30205599
At least he doesn't need to use a welding mask when shooting.

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This

>>30204216
Not needed, form 6 is for Firearms, Ammunition and Implements of War

(defined as "All
USMIL defense articles
other than firearms and
ammunition" on page 18 of https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/atf-guidebook-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-and-implements-war/download)

And if you take a look at the US Munitions Import List

(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title27-vol3/pdf/CFR-2011-title27-vol3-sec447-21.pdf)
It makes no mention of detachable magazines or ammunition feeding devices
It's all above board

>>30205599
The bait is strong with this one

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>>30205599
Sure you did, dude.

Polish fixed stock kits back in stock at Midway
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/799321/military-surplus-polish-akm-47-parts-kit-with-accessory-kit-762x39mm

>>30205999
Weird, I thought they were clearing them out?

I hope the Poles will release more kits.

>>30206043
Idk, I'm surprised as well. Maybe they had some sitting in the back? I doubt they could've imported more in the time between they sold out previously and now. Sadly, I bought two of their AKMS kits recently and am all out of money for kits ( ;_;)

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Anyone refinish a rifle? Tested out Rustoleum on a magazine today and gonna try to do the same for my WASR tomorrow. I degreased it and applied two thin coats, let it dry, and baked it at 400° for an hour and a half. Pretty happy with the results.

>Pic related, before and after

>>30202399
Any chance you can share with me how you're doing this? I'm in the same position with a comrade and trying to get my FFL8/ATF form 6

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I'm looking for some bakelite mags in 7.62. Is there anything I should look for, or watch out for when buying?

pic related, I was thinking about buying these four for $180

>>30206506
$45 a piece is a little on the pricey side for Izzy 7.62 bakes especially when buying multiple. I'd pass on those

>>30205999
Interesting

>>30206752
gotcha

any good places that you know of to buy them?

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>>30202403
maybe

>>30202740
i've been thinking about getting that front grip, how do you like it?

>>30202688
why is slr-107 not on here it is pretty god tier besides the hiccup they had with qc

>>30207165
because the SLR-107 is not a 74?

lets pretend a man could get original bulgarian waffle mags in 7.62x39 for around 17€ a piece....would you get them over bakelite ones which would cost a man 15€ each?

>>30202688
>mugpul furniture is a con
Nice meme there, friend. Don't want to be a magpul fanboy and say it's a pro, but it's certainly not worse than standard furniture.

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>>30202688
>even suggesting the Centurds M74

>>30205285

Actual bulgarian triangles are sold out everywhere and extremely hard to find.

>>30207310
>but it's certainly not worse than standard furniture
"No"

>>30207355
This. Hell, there aren't ANY triangle 4.5mm stocks out there that don't include the hinge mechanism and they're all those Taiwanese ones. I just want a triangle folder for around $100 to slap on my SLR-104fr

>>30207165
>slr107
>74
noguns detected

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Best AK in the world coming through

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>>30207630
>posting the stamped test run

have a pic of my "ebin_winder_obs_ AM_I_KAY_ENOUGH" edition

>>30207305
Fuck yeah.

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You guys have experiences with AKs so I'll ask here.

I have some question coming up for a discussion group at uni, which is....

>State the the maximum practical range of an AK-47 assault rifle and discuss the variables that reduce the effective range below this?

Anybody got any input?

>>30207819
Off the top of my head I could think of

>barrel length
>bullet grain
>how experienced the shooter is
>strong wind

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What do you guys think about Century Arms? I almost bought a centurion c39 for $650 but dickhead sold it to someone else. Now theres a VZ58 im looking at for $600. From what ive seen it seems like a pretty good deal

>>30207819
About 400m. After that the round is bleeding speed so fast it's just sad.

>Factors that contribute to lower effective range
The shooter
Poor ammo quality/tolerances
The shooter
Sights not really designed for accuracy, 350m battle setting covers basically the entire effective range. Front sight post covers a torso at 300m.
The shooter

>>30207854
>Poor ammo quality/tolerances

Any more detail on this?
How can stuff be "poor quality" or have poor tolerances?

Like the gun was made in a shitty factory and it's not a proper AK47?

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>>30202740
Brother!

>>30207859
No, I was specifically talking about the variables in the projectiles, and the powder charges.

You see that a lot with shit middle-eastern ammo, where it seems like they crammed whatever powder was on hand in the case and shipped it out the door.

On the other hand, some of it is very nice and consistent, like M67, S&B, PPU and the like.

The most accurate rifle in the world isn't worth a damn if the ammo sucks.

>>30207819
Range: 300-400m
Variables:
Barrel length
Twist
Type of gas system
Bullet weight
Materials used in bullet and its actual shape and design
The powder used
Air resistance
Type of muzzle device
Literally anything can be a variable in determining effectiveness out at a distance

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>>30207884
>>30207886
>You see that a lot with shit middle-eastern ammo, where it seems like they crammed whatever powder was on hand in the case and shipped it out the door.

Oh right, so you can have shitty powders that won't blow the gun up when they're fired? They just shoot poorly?

>rifling

How much fast does rifling properly "wear out" and mitigate a gun's accuracy? Sorry if thats a broad question.


>Type of gas system

I thought all AKs used the same gas system?
I know direct impingement is more accurate (but fouls more easily), are there any AK variants that I can point out?

We're only talking the 47 in class but really all media groups call every AK variant a 47......even though there are heaps of different kinds.

Useful replies, I'll screepcap them and review them later when I look up the specific stuff like ammo types.

>>30207922
That depends on the type of rifling, the velocity of the rounds, the construction of the barrel, any finish applied, the construction of the bullets, the rate of fire, etc. I believe for a 7.62x39 you can expect upwards of 30k with slow semiauto fire. Continuous full auto can destroy barrels in as little as 5k rounds but good luck holding it with bare hands even getting close to that number.

They do use the same gas system in general. Some guns have shut off valves that stop the gas from cycling the action. Also the question posed asked about effective range not accuracy, there are a lot of other factors that are effecting accuracy.

>>30205599
In a few years I think that wood furniture is gonna be worth more than the gun

>>30207842
Anything Century puts out not imported from a reputable manufacturer its asking for disappointment, frustration, and taking your life into your own hands.

>>30207771

waffle or bakelite....i can't decide.

>>30208085
why not both?

>>30208085
If there circle ten waffles. Get the waffles. Better material and weight savings.

>>30208132
are there other kind of bulgarian waffles?

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>>30202326
Damn well spent, buy once cry once.
It's probably the best overall rifle in my collection, extreme comfort with the fixed stock, and a great vehicle gun with a very quick to deploy folder in the vehicle config. You don't have to baby that stock at all, even made a webm since it was so hard to describe.
GT is easily the brand of ammo that shoots best out of it. Pretty obvious when I've had optics thrown on there.

>>30208152
They have a circle ten on them.

There's cheaper look a like waffles out there.

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Let's talk about Rifle Dynamics

>>30208205
i knew that, but >>30208085 said this >>30207305

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>>30208227
All that money and still a nitride barrel....

>>30208227
Who gives a shit about RD.

Jim Fullers probably a druggy or alcoholic. Just look at him.

>>30208221
What can you say, the man is hustling.

Dat crate though, my sides

>>30206267
See >>30205802
Form 6 is only for Firearms, ammunition, and implements of war.

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>>30208221
I try to ignore this wing of the gun community. They're like the male equivalent of some asexual girl that is into Celtic art, burning white sage, and collecting crystals.

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>>30208227
>$1600+ AK
>Nitrided barrel
Jesus, that is some Noveske-tier kikery.

>>30208315
That's why I build my own Noveske. Lol.

>>30207649
tactical paper camo

>>30208245
I couldn't believe that shit either.... ffs 600 more than an slr-107 and that motherfucker better come with a chrome lined and some sweet ass furniture or something, holy fuck. I don't think the guy is a total fucking asshole, I think he's playing off the same ignorance of people who pay 700+ for century made shit, so 1600 MUST get you a good AK, right?

>>30208330
bed sheet and sports tape

>>30208315
What am I looking at here?

>>30208338
Ya it's some major bullshit tho he probly makes a shit ton of money of retards

>>30208315
I saw an interview where Fuller said that Noveske is someone he admired a lot and wanted AKs that were "Noveske caliber" or something like that. Basically he wanted to make overpriced AKs for the stupid goys.

>>30208351
A $3k upper-mid-tier build with a blinged up mil-spec FCG.
>>30208363
I have no trouble believing that, now we'll just have to see if Jim faceplants a boulder like John did to complete the mimicry.

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I need one of these

>>30208633
p cool 2bh

>>30207878
Nice carry bag, sempai. I wish I got one when Black Hawk still made them.

>>30208294
Wait so you can import as many magazines as you want? I heard other stories of people getting busted by customs for having over 100 dollars worth of magazines. And is it any different if you're doing it for resale? Or does the ATF/customs just not care?

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Does anyone know if 5.45 is adequate for deer? Going deer hunting and kinda want to use
>pic related

>>30208964

Whitetail within ~300 yards? You're golden me bru. Just get a shot to the heart or lungs, which you should be doing regardless of calibre anyhow

>>30208971
I figured shot placement would be key. I just don't want to chase a deer for miles to wait for it to bleed out. Was planning on getting some hornady 5.45 with the polymer tips
>also they are Arizona deer so not overly huge animals

>>30208983

At least in Arizona you'd be able to find the fucking thing

>tfw north Georgia where longest hunting shot conceivable is like ~150 yd
>tfw if the deer doesn't drop immediately it might as well be gone forever in the jungles of the Piedmont

Tracking thru the woods here is hell

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>>30208964
I've cut up plenty of deer taken by 223, so I don't see why not.
It's not 100% ideal, but it'll work.

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>>30209006
Ha ya even in the woods it not really dense. Have you taken one with 5.45? Does it tear the meat up to bad ?

>>30209033

No I haven't I hunt with an old .308 fudd gun

But plenty of people I hunt with use .223 and it seems to work OK, 5.45 is similar-ish

>>30209044
Ah I mean I have other options like my m-48 Mauser, I just think it would be cool to take one with the 74.
>I could use the wasr too

>>30209006
Blood trail nigguh

>>30209058

Of the options you've listed I'd go with the WASR. .30-30 is the most g2g deer round in the US and x39 is ballistically near identical

>plus deer are smaller than the broad side of a barn so you could tell off all the AKfags around here

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>>30209066
Your probly right I'll just throw a scope on it for the hunt

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>>30209061

I've had to track for retards who can't pass up any substandard shot that comes their way before, it's just fucking shitty to try to follow a blood trail through thick ass woods as your light is failing

>tfw constantly taking newbie hunters out and having them blast underweight little does in the hindquarters during the last 15 minutes of dusk

Every fucking time I tell them "the real measure of a hunter isn't the shots you take, but the shots you choose not to take" but they're so kill-happy they never listen

Bought some Bulgarian AK-74 takeoff furniture for my Romanian SAR-3, and it doesn't quite fit right.

Anyone know why standard-ass furniture would fit so poorly? It seems like the wood blocks that fit into the trunnions are cut at a slightly different angle than the Romanian furniture. Trimmed and filed as best I could to even get it to go on, but still won't quite work.

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I'm pretty sure this mag is polish, but can anyone identify country of origin ?

>>30202882
>>30203660
>>30203809

I love my 107, it's too bad there's not more of them.. It's about time all the memes died about it

>>30209122
1

So is the Fighter 24 muzzle brake in Rob Ski's SLR-107 review worth it? I'm less interested in the flash suppressing advantages than I am the weight and length saving, as long as it does its job as a muzzle brake as well as the stock AK74 one.

>>30209121
If it's 5.45, then yes, it's a Tantal mag.

>>30209082
Lel. I can definitely relate to that. "I thought I saw horns!"

The best part is when the deer has bedded down somewhere in the brush but you're so absorbed in the blood trail that you don't notice, and it waits until you're right over it to jump and run some more. Scares the shit out of me

Good shot placement with my .308 and they never make it far though.

>>30209210
It is 5.45 thanks, I got 2 on a trade much heavier than circle 10 s tho

>>30209219

This. My AK is my baby, and it can definitely get the job done for deer and pig hunting, but why bother if you have something chambered in .30-06?

>>30209226
>Steel is heavier than plastic
Tends to be that way.

>>30209252
I guess 8mm Mauser it is then

>>30209252
Probably they don't have a durr rifle and don't want to invest in a new rifle and scope for such limited use.

I know a lot of people in my area use tacticool SKSs as durr rifles because they got them when they were like $50 each and you could buy them by the crate.

Are us palm mags a shit? The newer ones have full Metal feed lips and locking supports. Mrgunsngear ( don't fucking know his YouTube name off the top of my head) didn't seem to have and issues with them in the video I saw.

>>30209299
I heard they are good mags, but you can't take them down for cleaning. Also steel surplus mags are cheaper and better imo

>>30209345
The video I watched over them said to clean them you just dunk them in warm soapy water and shake out and let drip dry like laundry I know the steels are usually cheaper but I carry my mags in a chest rig and don't like having that much weight. I can handle it but it fucks with my back after a bit

>>30209384
Well they sound like the best option besides Bulgarian waffles.

>>30207310
The point is that if you want standard wood or plastic furniture, you will have to replace it yourself. Not a con across the board, but it's enough to warrant a mention.

>>30208924
This. Same anon who had $100 worth of mags snatched that was sent from Poland. This makes no sense.

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>>30207355
>>30207371
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ak74-4-5mm-triangle-Russian-stock-/272265140881?hash=item3f64445a91:g:-LsAAOSwhRxXLQuz

>>30208245
>>30208315
>>30208338

I thought nitriding was supposed to be better than chrome lining? I've read sources saying they out last chromed barrels. Why do you guys think it's bad?

So after putting my US Palm grip and AKT on my SLR-107fr, I decided to take it to my parents and show my dad.

He loves it, but complains that the stock is too short and small. Its fine for my manlet self, but my dad is 6'3'' and built like a lumberjack.

How do I remediate this? Better stock? Some aftermarket butt plate?

>>30208924
>>30209485
Was it Russian customs? Because Russia doesn't actually allow exporting mags, but no one really cares.
Alternatively, it may have been shipped with ak parts as well which are a no-no

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>>30209502
Shit kinda want....

>>30209504
>outlasted
Yea but at a statistically negligible timeframe, you might as well wait for your trunnion to erode.
I mean, this applies to chrome lined barrels as well. It's negligible to regular steel barrels unless you shoot corrosive stuff.
>inb4 idiots try to refute this

>>30209502
>No rear trunnion

>>30209518
No idea, I just had 5 RPK magazines shipped to me because I didn't want to go over 100 wholesale and lose my doggo. I'm still sorta iffy on the scope since the form 6 stuff says you can buy under 100 dollars wholesale for private use of minor components though

>>30209528
>bimetal

>>30209535
Huh. Technically I'm not buying it for sale, everyone bought their own and we bundled together to save in international shipping. It's all very iffy though

>>30209557
So basically if I wanted to go full blown buying for resale I should just go with the FFL8 and ATF form 6 then?

>>30209518
This was US customs, dude. I still should have my letter of notice of confiscation somewhere in my filing cabinet.

>>30209530
Read, you idiot. An SLR-104FR will come with a side folding stock. The issue is not about a fixed stock gun, it is with a gun that already has a folding stock trunnion.

>>30209570
Probably, then you could also import rifles/parts kits/ammo and whatnot. Are you thinking of starting a business?

>>30209528
Then if they do out last a little bit, even if it's negligible, or even the same rate of wear, why are these guys going crazy like the barrel is completely untreated metal. I'm new to this kind of stuff so I don't understand why it's a big deal if they wear the same more or less.

>>30209594
I was actually, if I can get the 8 and 6 forms, I've got friends in the 'Sia who can get their hands on basically anything.

>>30209599
Like I said, a chrome lined barrel is really all you'll need, since it's already negligible from a steel barrel as it is. Nitrided is a meme at best.

>>30209540
Haha, okay dude, get back to me when you shoot 25,000 rounds through your NPAP.

>>30209599
Chrome and AK like peanut butter and jelly. It's and old world luxury too toxic to process for the relatively small US AK barrel market. I'm doubt you'll shoot out a nitride barrel but suit yourself

>>30209629
Fair enough but if chrome lining is a meme and so easy to rationalize cuz "muh pragmatism" then wtf is an AK?

>>30209674
Only thing I implied a meme is nitriding. Chrome lining is negligible but it's everywhere and relatively cheaper these days, so you might as well get it. However, the spread of the misinformed practicality of chrome lining is the meme.

>>30209603
Best of luck to you. They are rather expensive from my understanding

>>30209599
Nitride is relatively new and, for the most part, unproven.On paper, it's supposed to be equal or even better than chrome lining, but so far nothing has shown up to prove this.

>>30209725
Already hold the 07, so it'll just be another 50 a year for the 08. ATF form 6 seems to have no inherent cost. My only real problem is the 2250 ITAR tax, but if I'm getting bakelite mags at 7 a piece for 30 and 15 for a 45, I can probably at least even out on mags alone. Here's hoping the licenses can be done within the next few months though

>>30209717
What's so misinformed over wanting a barrel that cleans easier and objectively has minimized wear? Misinformed is thinking that the only benefits chrome lining has is being more resistant to corrosive ammunition.

>>30208830
I bought mine brand new from ebay for $60 about a month ago

>>30209750
Reading comprehension will serve you well in life if you use it. If you read my earlier response, I talk about the PRACTICALITY of it. When regular steel barrels already have a long lifetime before being shot out, then what is the practicality of getting a chrome lined barrel? If you're a gas station employ, walking into a gun shop with only $500 in hand, and you want an AK, the best option is the most practical at that point. There is nothing wrong with chrome lining, but it really is just a bow on the already wrapped package (just make sure the tape is straight).

>>30209815
I'm talking about practicality as well, there is no need to be hostile. Longer barrel life is longer barrel life, no matter how you slice it. Chrome lined barrel objectively offer a longer barrel life. That can be a very practical feature, especially if you're talking about a rifle like the AK where changing out barrels is not a small affair. And, again, there is the markedly easier job of cleaning that it offers as well. There's nothing wrong with unlined barrels, especially in the current ammo environment where corrosive surplus 7.62x39 is, at best, something for collectors, but chrome lining objectively offers better life and cleaning for the barrel. All of this at the cost of a minuscule amount of accuracy.

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Recommendations on WASR furniture? I think surplus looks really nice.

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I remember when I paid $890 for mine and everyone laughed at me. Said I was crazy. A madman even. Now it's the world that's gone mad.

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>>30209885
Surplus is best

>>30209857
I'm not going to argue because we're pretty much on the same page but on two different sides of the equation. Chrome lining is good, but if you're a casual shooter who finds a good deal AK with only a steel barrel, then it will serve them well.

However, like I said earlier, chrome lined barrels are so standard now that it really doesn't make a difference.

>>30202185
your muzzle brake is wrong

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>>30209902
I'm thinking about switching out the dong, not really getting much benefit out of it and it's getting in the way of mag changes.

>>30209507

Pls guys halp

>>30209984
Check out whatever Hickok is using.

>>30209885
Hawt scuffed up, pre used surplus wood for that nitty gritty ak look.

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>>30209507
>>30209984
Strap a GP-25 buttpad on.

Get a NATO length butt stock, or an adjustable but stock like most ar's have

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>>30209980
I really like mine but that's probly because I shoot my slr a lot more

>>30209893
Same thing for my SLR-107FR.

Now people are bitching that they are arround 1K.

>>30210006
Disregard that "pre" my phone is dumb.

>>30208304
>They're like the male equivalent of some asexual girl that is into Celtic art, burning white sage, and collecting crystals.
You've dated one too, huh?

>>30209504
It's not just the chrome lining issue, it's the fact that the barrels aren't CHF. Also nitriding and the gorillion different proprietary processes and ways of doing it haven't really been proven yet. One of the big defaults used by people trying to justify it is
>well hurr the new Army sniper rifle uses a similar process
Totally ignoring that the volume and rate of fire coming out of a bolt action DMR or similar rifle and something that chances are in it's lifetime, going to get raped by magdumps, are totally different. I'd bet my left nut that if you took two identical post sample AK's and ran them through the same course of fire, the only difference being the one has a button rifled nitrided barrel and one has a chrome lined CHF of either Bulgarian, Polish, or Russian origin, that the latter would outlast the former.

>>30208633
I wish I had caught one second hand when they had that third pin hole before they recalled them :^)

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Got a question:

I want a .223 AK. I narrowed it down to either a Saiga or a VEPR 1V-Mini.

As I dont have any experience with either im concerned about general build quality and furniture as well as magazine compatibility.

Anyone can say anything about that?

>>30209502
>ships only in US
fugh

>>30210380
Are you German? Anyway, both should be generally compatible with most .223 AK mags, with a little work. The big question is rather or not these rifles have feed ramps.

>>30209502
I noticed a few that are cheaper from Russia, how reliable is shipping this stuff from Russia and getting it past customs?

>>30210392
Yes, im german. Originally wanted to get a 5.45, but i couldnt find any, when I was looking for hunting rifles. didnt look for sports rifles because of the 40mm case length restriction

I know the Saiga doesnt have a feed ramp, I dont know about the VEPR

>>30209857
there is still brass cased, berdan primed, and corrosive Yugo 7.62x39 ammo available at shooting prices

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Just bought my first AK, also my first rifle. Besides ammo and hear pro, what else do I need for a say of funz at the ranch?

Do any of you guys have experience with Interarms High Standard rifles? Debating between one of those and a DDI underfolder. There aren't many reviews out there for the Interarms one but all the ones I see are good.

>>30210517
what did you buy?

>>30210107
I hadn't thought of that. Can nitride barrels not be chf? As I said I'm new to all this barrel making, treating prices stuff so I don't really understand much of this.

>>30210527
Yeah if you have good insurance and would like lose a limb.

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>>30210380
For availability and price, I'd say get either the Arsenal SLR-106 or the Zastava PAP85. I have the Arsenal and I fucking love it. I think now is the time to get AK's chambered in 5.56 nato/223 as they are still somewhat unpopular because many people don't feel that it's a "real ak" in that round, and a lot of these guns got a bad rep a few years back for "reliability" issues that were either related to shitty magazines or lack of a proper feed ramp on barrels. The Arsenal has good magazines available, though they are a bit pricey. I hear the 223 ProMag magazines are actually decent and will feed reliably, but I haven't tried any yet. The Zastava already has a mag adapter from the factory to take AR magazines, which is a huge plus as those magazines are cheap and plentiful.

>>30210517
Tannerite targets for boom fun time.

>>30210558
Treating process*

>>30210562
Really? All the reviews I've read say it's great. Where are you getting that it's another RAS-47?

>>30210566
im german, no SLRs for me. Havent seen PAPs either. Here the choice is mainly VEPR, Saiga and Arsenal SAR-M1s for .223

>>30210590
https://youtu.be/xCFfKqqSHXA

>>30210614
Where in the fuck did you get I.O. from my original post? Of course I know I.O. is shit you dumbass. I was asking about InterARMS High Standard rifles. Two totally different things.

Does anyone have any relevant info on it or is /k/ as low on High Standard reviews as everywhere else?

>>30210633
Some no name fucks.

>>30204577
My grandpa bought a two story house for $9,000 back in the fifties, therefore I too am going to expect that all houses should also still be that price or lower years later and shit on people who didn't do the same thing he did many years ago.

I did some googling and found this discussion about chf vs button vs cut barrels.

https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1135726

It didn't seem like chf is a big advantage over button

>>30210566
How about the Galil SAR?

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>>30210380
I'd also recommend looking into beryls if you haven't already.

>>30210723
did look. couldnt find any. couldnt even find beryl mags on the german market, was also looking for valmets, but same thing there

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>>30210734
That's unfortunate. Hopefully Radom gets approvals on what they're trying to bring to the US at least.

>>30210753
Yea, Radom wants to bring in 25,000 (!!!) Beryls this year but the ATF if of course giving them a hard time.

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>>30210753
Did you do your Saiga conversion yourself ?

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>>30210753
I meant FB Radom.

>>30210760
That's not quite what the post said if you were thinking of the AKOU one. I'd love to see a bigger market of beryls in the US though.

>>30210768
No, Flandre did it for me.

>>30210781
Shit, I misread it. I DO hope they bring in 25,000 Beryls anyways though!

>>30210781
>No, Flandre did it for me.
Oh ok, I'm trying to decide if I want to attempt the front end conversion myself

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>>30210815
If you've got a press and punches, it shouldn't be too difficult.

>>30210768
>having to convert a saiga
wew, truly land of the free

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>>30210528
NPAP-DF. Heard it has slightly better build quality and qc.

Should I break it in with brass or will it be okay with dirty surplus ammunition/tulawolf?

>>30210882
if you like a gun, feed it well

>>30210882
>break it in with brass
It'll be just fine with steel especially considering how few companies make brass cased 7.62x39,

>>30210854
>muh 63% white
>muh degenerate consumer culture
>muh education

>>30205599
Fuckin I.O man you goofed

>>30210882
>dirty surplus ammunition/tulawolf?
The only dirty surplus we have here in the US IS brass cased you faggot.

>>30211053
Alright, I'm about as /pol/ as they come and I'm telling you:
>>>/pol/

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Is this thing worth it, or is it just for being a flashy guccifag?

>>30211516
>Is x worth it
I really hate this shit.
It's completely subjective.

Are you poor and it'll take you 5 months to buy a $400 stock? No, not worth it.

Are you not poor and can throw $400 on a piece of milled aluminium? Then yes, it's worth it.

>>30211516
I wish they had a non folding version for a fixed stock

>>30211617
they sell adapters for fixed stocks

Wasr-fag here. Recommend me a 7.62 ak to go to from here.

No real price limit. Want a quality gun I can be proud of.

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>>30211516

DO IT

>>30211602

Alright fine, let me elaborate.

Is there an AK stock on the market, preferably with a cheek riser, that performs as well or better than that one that isn't so rare that the end seller can justify charging $400 for them?

>>30211643
Ya but they look ugly as fuck

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>>30208177
well i just bought 200 rounds of GT so that's kewl. nice collection

>>30211662
ya but they are cheaper than switching rear trunnion

>>30208315

What the fuck is stopping someone from producing CHF CL AK barrels and selling them to everyone? Cost?

>>30211647
Should mention I intend to put nice glass on it, separate budget

>>30211647
DDI arsenal definitive arms Krebs

>>30210781

The "sporting purpose" clause needs to fucking go.

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>>30211647

Arsenal SLR-107FR

Avoid the XM55 batch if possible, but even most of those are pretty well made. You just might end up rolling snake eyes and have the paint on your AK bubble off.

Check the rifle for fit and finish. Canting and rivets are probably what you should look for the most. A fresh Arsenal is usually not likely to have a headspacing issue, but it isn't a bad idea to get a set of go/no-go gauges anyway.

Throw in a better trigger after buying, and you're golden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5mQf9_FsxM

4000 rounds in and you can still eat off the bore

>>30211675
True, i just wish they made a non folding version of the zenit stock meant for fixed stock trunions

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>>30211647
>>30211705

>own an SLR-107
>wanted to get a WASR-10 as a backup/fun gun
>the one I saw at the gun shop is $760 FIRM
>the ones online aren't much better
>ended up pussying out and getting a stripped Aero lower for an AR build

Fuck me why do I want that Romanian heap so bad when I have one of the guccier AKs on the market already?

>>30211729
i knew what you meant, just wanted make you feel a bit better, that it's as close as you can get

>>30211771
Shouda gotten another SLR-107fr

>>30211655
It's not rare whatsoever.
It because it is a milled piece of aluminium that makes it expensive.
It's not cheap to take a big billet and turn it into a stock.

If you have to justify spending 4 bills on a stock perhaps you should look at something more in your league.
>Like a polymer AR style stock.

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>>30211662
>Look ugly as fuck
What do you expect?
Trying to put a folding stock on a fixed trunnion is always going to end up looking goofy.
Although I think the zenit adapter looks the least goofy.

>>30211810

>Like a polymer AR style stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugJ05G5rTqA

>>30211810
This. You can get an adaptor for 4.5mm rear folding trunnions that take AR stocks and still fold.

>>30211834
That actually does not look that bad compared to some other options

>>30202254
fuck this looks nice

>>30211648

>Look honey, an obsolete piece of slavaboo shit plastered with plum shit and modern upgrades to make it appear nearly semi modular! Kids, come stand by the vatnik so I can get a picture!

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>>30211943

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>>30211943

>THE OFFENSIVE RIFLE STRIKES AGAIN

the tears are delicious.

>>30212019
i like your AK

>>30212019

What do you think of that stock? Worth it compared to anything else on the market for the SLR series?

>>30202185
Yo guys, so I was looking over my Arsenal SLR-104.

The back two rivets closest to the stock on the left side of the rifle (holding it) are flat as kansas. But on the other side only the bottom rivet is flat and the top one is dome shaped.

Is this a shitty rivet job or is this 'acceptable?'

>>30212129
They are correct , some of the rivets are flat

>>30212129
As long as there isn't any gap under the rivets heads and they're not cracked or asymmetrically formed its not a huge issue.

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>>30212072

thanks.

>>30212122

i do think it's worth it. the quality is great, and the style is really progressive; yet it also has that distinctly utilitarian simplicity.
if i could change one thing, it would of course be the price.
it's barely worth the $399 msrp, but luckily i got a good deal on mine.
if it were $50-$75 cheaper, it would absolutely be worth it.

>>30212164
>>30212172
Cool. thanks m80s.

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>>30212172
There are two flat rivets, one behind the safety and one under the folding mechanism
>my SLR on filthy basement carpet

>>30212224

Neat. Now I'm just curious whether that thing will fit in a 107FR, or if it needs an adapter or some hand fitting.

>>30212255
Id imagine so but you might need a pin adapter or something depending on the size of hole in stock

any other first time AK owners get paranoid that the rifle will get damaged over time just from fingerfucking it? I know it's absurd but it still worries me at the back of my mind

>>30212271
No, Ive had AKs for over a decade, including some that have been in the family since the 80s, they work great

>>30212271
any gun is going to degrade to some degree from handling it. such is life.

>>30212255
You can get them in the correct pin size for the SLR trunnion.

>>30212280
>>30212288

Thanks lads. I think I might legit have a little bit of paranoia, but maybe it's because it's my first rifle and I'm afraid of something happening to it because I can't just outright replace it

>>30212305
What do you have? I wouldn't worry about it so much, just make sure you have some spare springs and small parts on hand.

>>30212317
WASR-10. What sort of springs and parts? Recoil guides and FCG stuff?

>>30212328
I'd keep a recoil spring, the hammer spring, the disconnector spring, and get yourself a retaining plate if you don't already have one. WASR is a good rifle, just shoot it a couple hundred rounds to make sure it functions proper.

>>30212340
I was thinking of getting a retaining plate when I got around to buying an AKT.

I've fired roughly 500 rounds through it but only like 30 since I actually got a front sight adjuster, and I still haven't taken the time to learn how to zero it

New thread

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>>30212393
The retaining plate is necessary.

>>30212420
I'm curious, why trip? More so, why trip related to your religion? Even the most retarded christian trip that actuallly uses his trip doesn't refer to his religion

>>30212420
What exactly do they do?

I know they're pretty cheap

>>30212447
because it drives people insane
>>30212461
they replace the stupid spring that is there instead, they just hold the pins that hold the trigger and hammer in place

>>30212479
I think muslims are pretty cool actually.

Someone of them I get the impression they secretly hate me, though.

KAFFIR! Type of hate.

>>30212511
Strange, but not surprising, I fucking hate arabs

>>30212522
What ethnicity are you?

>>30212479
I suppose I should have been able to figure that out just by the name.

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>>30212511
I like the peaceful westernized muslims and christians, I can say that much

>>30212542
Im bosnian
>>30212546
I think we can all agree that we like those types, however the dumbest most ignorant ones usually have the loudest voices. They need to be thrown into a blender.

>>30212542
He's Albanian A.K.A. baby Turk

>>30212562
>they need to be thrown into a blender
kek'd.

I'm pretty much full blown /po/ now but I try and give muslims and christians the same benefit of the doubt, since I'm neither

>>30212565
kek.
>>30212546
bosnians are pretty cool. a few years ago I went on the disney cruise ship with my family and we had a bosnian, a croatian, a serb, and a hungarian as our kitchen service people.

The banter between them was fucking hilarious.

Croat and the Serb ripped on the Bosnian chick constantly, Hungarian babe tried to defend her but to no avail. The Croat was fucking hilarious. The serb was very much a "kosovo je srbija" type and very stern as he was the manager in charge of the whole kitchen crew. It was funny to see him break character and laugh his ass off at some of the jokes.

>>30212578
Honestly we really aren't that different, a lot of people just correlate someones shitty behavior with things like religion or race

>>30202688
I have an ITM ak someone dropped a tapco g2 into that I bought for $500. How do those stack up on that scale?

>>30212606
Lol what are the fucking odds that half of ex yugoslavia is working on your ship, bosnians are pretty easy going depend on the region you are from, people from the eastern portion of the country tend to be a little bitter because they suffered some really crazy hardships during the war, people from my region are generally a little more laid back

>>30206968

SGammo, if/when they have them. I bought two from them for likee $30 a piece.

>>30204090
How do i buy mags from you?