Why can't Russia just admit it?

>>30127250

no proofs = no truths

>>30127250
Because the ukraine did it.

>>30127272
>ukraine

no such thing

>>30127250
Because lying is what they do best.

>>30127250
yuro dindu nuffins

>>30127250

What would it have been like to die on that plane? Flying is scary.

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Because clearly it was a Ukrainian Frogfoot, duh. I mean just look at this totally real satellite image the Russian state media conveniently found!

>>30127516

nice meme

>>30127250
because it wasn't Russia

>>30127268

The report said it was Russia.

>>30127250
it was russia for sure, anyone who disagrees belongs nowhere else but a mental hospital. russian backed rebels however handy as they are they can't buy themselves a 9K37-BUK from the grocery store or the black market. sorry fellas, case closed.

>>30127656

the report said "Russian made", all 9K37 are "Russian made"

>>30127714
that's what happens when you give uneducated monkeys anti-air missiles tho

>>30127714

Russia sent its own troops into Ukraine's territory. It certainly armed the traitors (and let's face it, the separatists are traitors to Ukraine) with Russian weapons.

>>30127707
case dismissed

>>30127757
>ukraine

no such thing

>>30127732

>implying Russian aren't uneducated monkeys

uneducated plane shooting then lie about it monkeys

>>30127757

nice meme

>>30127782
>>30127732
>implying

>>30127771

Piss off Boris. There is a Ukraine, your fingers in your ears, shaking your head, and stammering "no such thing as Ukraine" doesn't make it so.

It's kind of a big place, a little hard to hide.

>>30127250
this always made me wonder if russia is allowed to shoot down commercial planes without any international reaction why can't ukraine host such a session in russia? in secret of course, tell them they have no idea. the plane shot itself down.

>>30127802
>ukraine

no such thing

>>30127820
>>30127786
>>30127771

these memes are getting out of hand, it's time to stop posting

>>30127250
Why can't Cheney admit he did 9/11?

I have such high hopes for threads like these.

>>30127826
post memes, get meme replies

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>>30127842
very well then

>>30127829

Because the Bush Administration couldn't find a coherent plan with two hands and a flashlight.

It was one of the most incompetent administrations we ever had.

>>30127656
The report said there were WMD in Iraq.

>>30127926

The report said Assad gassed his people.

>>30127935
I dont think it did actually. This meme doesnt work.

If were talking bout bullshit, lets talk about obamas red line.

>>30127250
Who the fuck is going to disagree with what Russia says is a better question.

>>30127250
It's the airline's fault for flying their aircraft over a fucking war zone. Some trigger happy rebel probably thought it was a Ukranian plane and grassed that ass.

>>30127250
They would be condemned? people know Russia did it but they cant "prove" anything, It was shotdown by a BUK missile system, probably thought it was a NATO / Ukrainian cargo plane. At 35,000 feet visual ID would be impossible.

>>30128052
>>30128073
>implying

>>30128122
Yes it is as an evil Ruskie conspiracy carried out to bring a shitstorm down on themselves which is totally illogical but fuck it.

>Why won't Russia admit it?

Why won't the USA admit that they commit terrorism against their own people?

Because no one admits to shit.

>>30127566
How is it a meme when it is something Russian state media actually put out?

>>30128220

As opposed to Russia-Strong, the magic land where "accidents" and "disappearances" happen? And everything bad is clearly the work of outsiders.

Russia doesn't take responsibility for anything, which is why it's doomed to be fucked forever. You cannot master anything if you cannot master yourself.

This is a nation so ruined in its soul it misses being the omnicidal Soviet Union.

You pathetic never-was country.

>>30127926
There were chemical weapons in Iraq, no amount of shifting goalposts and 'those don't count' will change that.

>>30128142
There is no conspiracy, just Russian soldiers in Ukraine.

Friendly reminder that we already know the Buk came from a Russian unit stationed in Kursk.

>>30128306

Seriously. Russians are just dumb children who need a "father" like Putin and blame everything on the nearest scapegoat they can find. They spin elaborate conspiracy theories and talk cynically, like a whiny Emo who never grew up.

And why? Because when everything is someone else's fault, Russians never have to get off their ass and fix the screwed up things in their own society.

How's that for a burn, Russia? You are a nation of irresponsible children.

>>30128306
Not Russian ya fagtard

The USA is a far worse government than the Russian Federation.

Its fucking retarded to bitch a few hundred dead when the Jew Ess has killed millions in it's "war against terror" that it started off with a false flag against it's own citizens.

>>30128308
>antique Mustard gas shells given to Saddam BY THE US for the Iran-Iraq war are DUBBYA EM DEEZ

fucking murder yourself cuckstain

>>30127656
The report said by outdated missile which Russia scraped years ago and only Ukrainians use it.

>>30128404
>given to Saddam BY THE US

Literally never happened.

Mustard gas was out of the US Inventory by 1963. The UK, France and FRG did sell Iraq plenty of dual use equipment that could potentially be used to create large batches. It's not like Ammonia and Bleach are hard to come by.

>>30127757
>and let's face it, the separatists are traitors to Ukraine
The "seperatists" aren't even ukrainian, and ukraine is not a real country

>>30128456

For a "not country", Ukraine sure has been independent a lot.

Three fucking times (World War I, World War II, Post-Cold War).

You going to try telling me Ukraine isn't a real country now?

>>30128502
The Ukraine got its independence in 1991
And they will lose it soon too

>>30128328
nice conspiracy

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>>30128621
:3

>>30128424
Ukraine has never used that specific type of missile, the particular warhead didn't exist before the Soviet Union fell.

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>>30128282

one of their channels (1st IIRC) featured it... but just that - featured, it was not released as a part of any official statement. The image itself was created and published by a random-nobody user on a certain russian /x/-tier forum few weeks before that.

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>>30128404
>those don't count

>>30128730

Russian soldiers are in Crimea [legally] since Catherine the Great.

>Crimea
>ukraine

pick one

>>30128604

Russia can't even afford a proper war against Syria with its shit economy.

>>30128731
but not really

>>30128741
>it was not released as a part of any official statement, it was just featured on a state owned channel

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>>30128776
Lets take a look at some 'indigenous self defense forces" :333333333333

>>30128731
This is just bullshit.

>>30128502

>a lot
25 years of failure and misery

>>30128776
>the dates putin specified specifically say it was well before it was annexed

kek

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>>30128776

Oh wow, there are ethnic Russians in Ukraine. That must mean Ukraine isn't a real country.

Only half of China is inhabited by ethnic Han Chinese. That must mean China's not a real country either.

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>>30128776
'legally' would mean in their leased naval base, not occupying government buildings and patrolling the streets with their insignia removed

>>30128812

in Rosoboronexport's catalogue, available for private customers worldwide

>>30128840
>ukraine

no such thing

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>>30128870

>>30128853

just went out for a stroll, the weather was nice

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>>30128840

But of course I can just as easily disprove Russia's own existence.

Look how "Russian" Russia actually is.

Maybe all those non-Russian areas should go "separatist" too?

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>>30128857
Yes. They were 'suppplied by friendly local hunting clubs and stores', I forgot

>>30128877

nice meme

>>30128870

Look at this map smartass

>Russia no such thing

Say it with me guys. There's no such thing as Russia.

>>30128889

>>30128919

but is

>>30128822
Less bullshit than saying Russia scrapped its 9M38M1 missiles, especially when we have pictures of the Buk leaving Kursk with said missiles on it.

>>30128967

Yes. I am mocking the "Ukraine isn't a real country" thing by pointing out Russia is full of non-Russians.

It is hypocrisy for Russia to want "self-determination" for non-Ukrainians in Ukraine, but not for the different groups within its own borders.

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>>30127250
Kiev is the only one with motive, means, and a history of shooting down passenger jets with buk missiles.

See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

>>30129018
>ukraine
no such country
>ukrainians
who?

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>>30128967

russia isn't a real country

>>30129012
different book, different story

>>30129036

nice meme

>>30129026
This is Turk-level denial.

>>30128889

Look at all those potential separatist regions.

Neo-Russian Civil War when?

>>30127250
Because no proofs are of existing? Why not admitting USA + Israel acted 9/11? Is more proofs.

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>>30129025
>Kiev is the only one with motive, means, and a history of shooting down passenger jets with buk missiles

Moscow had the motive, means and history to shoot down an airliner thinking it was a Ukrainian military aircraft.

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>>30129036
>>30128877
Get with the times, faggots

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>>30129100

>>30129092

Washington had the motive, means and history to shoot down an airliner thinking it was an Iranian military aircraft.

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>>30129092

Not to mention the separatists had the itchy trigger fingers and lack of discipline to ensure they'd do something this stupid.

Which is why you shouldn't give advanced military hardware to idiots.

>>30129092
>Russia had motive
Russia didn't benefit at all, the attention made their lives much harder

Ukraine on the other hand got to play an international victim; get lots more aid and attention from the west. All they had to do was shoot down a passenger jet with a buk missile. Something they've done before. It was definitely Ukrainian air traffic control that told Mh-17 to deviate from their normal flight path and travel over the donbas.

>>30129135
>implying

>>30129025
Nice fake pic

Meanwhile, in reality:
2014/7/16 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/15 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140715/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/14 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140714/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/13 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140713/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/12 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140712/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/11 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140711/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/10 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140710/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/09 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140709/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/08 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140708/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/07 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140707/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/06 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140706/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/05 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140705/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/04 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140704/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/03 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140704/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

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>>30129124

Russia isn't in Ukraine.

>>30129139
>to shoot down an airliner thinking it was a Ukrainian military aircraft.

Try quoting the whole sentence.

>>30128894

They are sold to whoever has money to buy them,

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>>30129156
Thank you for giving me a reason to post this picture.

>>30129154
Sorry you don't know how to use flightaware. Take it up with zerohedge.

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>>30129175

>>30129184
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace

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>>30127250
>>30127268

>>30129184
>>30129195
>zerohedge
>ever

kek

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>>30129197

>>30129175
Which does not include anyone in Ukraine, meaning they came from the Russian military stationed there.

>>30129191

Same comment applies, And people in the U.S own SVD-S.

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>>30129195

>>30129204
>provided the source
>lacks an argument
>attacks the source

Brilliant deduction, mister holmes.

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>>30129224
Lotta money to spend on a spur of the moment thing when banks are shut down in a country as 'gun friendly' as ukraine :3333333333333

>>30127250
If you want a full accounting of the war by the guy that was working with general clarke advising the Ukrainians complete with operational maps till the time it was filmed( a year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WA1rP5WGfY

He gets kinda emotional around 56 mins when he describes talking to the last reinforcements to the Airport.

This is actual real data and analysis given to CSIS(whose youtube is amazing if you actually want to learn what people in washington know)

But no one on /k/ will watch it and continue to just spout memes.

>>30129224
>people in the U.S own SVD-S

[citation needed]

>>30129245
Boy, your conspiracy theorist tier source sure negates the thousands of others that say otherwise and even flight data of what happened that day and all the flights beforehand

But please, keep acting like your 'argument' has any kind of foundation.

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>>30129135
>Which is why you shouldn't give advanced military hardware to idiots

>>30128840

Crimea is not part of Ukraine.

>>30129245
>zerohedge
>source

While using an image that focuses on the last 10 flights because the further back you go the wider the area covered by MH17.

>>30128328
Russian soldiers in the Ukraine doesn't prove that it was the Russians and it certainly doesn't change the fact that it was in accidental shootdown.

>>30129299
Crimea has been part of Ukraine since 1954.

>>30129289
>claiming Russia smuggled advanced AA weapons into another country that already had those weapon in inventory
>to shoot down a civilian plane intentionally frustrating their own foreign policy
>and bribed Ukrainian air traffic control into sending the plane over their AA

>not a conspiracy theory

One conspiracy theory begets another.

But your incompetence at flight tracking does not constitute an argument.

>>30129314
>9N314M is only in use by russia
>but it wasn't russians

>>30129314
>Russian soldiers in the Ukraine doesn't prove that it was the Russians

The Buk filmed fleeing the area (sans one missile) being backtracked to Kursk does.

>>30129328
>Crimea has been part of Ukraine since 1954.
That's weird, because Ukraine didn't exist until 1990

>>30129332
>claiming Russia smuggled advanced AA weapons into another country that already had those weapon in inventory
>Ukraine had advanced AA weapons in separatist held territory

You dun goofed.

>>30129350

Ukraine was independent TWO times beforehand (World War I and World War II), before becoming independent AGAIN after decades of Soviet occupation.

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>>30129332
>BUKs
>advanced

lolwut

Meanwhile

>9N314M proven to be the warhead used
>9N314M is only in use by russia

>UKRAINE HAD THEM FLY OVER THERE HONEST
>Despite flight maps showing that they used the same flight route for weeks ahead of time

>>30129341
>9N314M
>implying the exact warhead was ever identified

http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/dsb-final-report-doubts-does-a-9n314m-warhead-fit-on-9m38-missile/

>>30129367
Ukraine was independent TWO times beforehand (World War I and World War II), before becoming independent AGAIN after decades of Soviet occupation.

That's weird cause crimea wasn't part of them any of those times that they existed

>>30129350
1990 is an interesting way to spell 1918.

>>30129387
>state
>country
>unable to tell the difference

>>30129369
>Despite flight maps showing that they used a different flight route weeks ahead of time

FTFY

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>>30129371
>implying

>>30129385
>That's weird cause crimea wasn't part of them any of those times that they existed

Aside after Soviet occupation ended.

>>30129403
>if I call it x I can pretend it was not y

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>>30129371

>>30129421
>Soviet occupation
>Rewriting history

Ethnic Ukrainians were at the core of the Soviet revolution, they were just as responsible for creating it as Russians

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>>30128889
>Look how "Russian" Russia actually is.
>Maybe all those non-Russian areas should go "separatist" too?
Meanwhile, in real life.

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itt

>>30129446
>spent ordinance found in a warzone
>stop the fucking presses

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>>30127250

Pretty sure no one is disputing the fact the airliner was downed by a Buk.

What they're disputing is who fired the shot, separatists or Ukrainians.

I'd be more outraged at the retarded Ukrainian government for giving airlines the impression that the airspace was safe because they were downplaying the scale of resistance from the rebels.

To this day they're too arrogant to admit they got spanked by a third rate militia with some technical assistance.

>>30129416
>Despite flight maps showing that they used a wide range of flight routes.

FTFY

>>30129416
Meanwhile, in reality:
2014/7/16 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/15 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140715/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/14 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140714/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/13 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140713/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/12 - Southern route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140712/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/11 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140711/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/10 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140710/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/09 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140709/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/08 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140708/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/07 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140707/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/06 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140706/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/05 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140705/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/04 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140704/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
2014/7/03 - SAME route
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140704/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

>>30129464
Your map does not contradict his.

>>30129445
>implying entity type doesn't have tremendous legal consequences

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Russia is a joke of a country.

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>>30129371
Lol totally not the same type of warhead, only identical butterfly fragments that only this type uses

>>30129328
1954-2014, It is NOT ukraine it's russian.


I sold some silver coins to somebody in Crimea and put Crimea russia on the envelope, was delivered fine, USPS acknowledges it as Russia.

>>30129482
>To this day they're too arrogant to admit they got spanked by a third rate militia with some technical assistance.

The separatists got spanked by the Ukrainian army pretty bad, the major times that Ukraine got BTFO (southern cauldron, Ilovaisk, Debaltseve etc.) was the work of Russia's army.

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>>30129509
His map is misleading in the context of his argument.

>>30129545
If you had put Crimea, Ukraine, it'd also be delivered fine.

>>30129514
>if I acknowledge it was y then I lose all basis for my argument

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lol obviously jewkraine put bucks in rebel territory and shot it down with Russian warheads that's why the blast came from the front

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>>30129488
>>30129154
See pic related.
That isn't actual flight tracking data. Note how it shows flight paths for the flight. AFTER IT ALREADY CRASHED.

The pic that I posted was actual flight tracking data. (which includes things like course corrections provided by local air traffic control)

In practice, they always flew the same route. Until July 17

YOU
FUCKING
RETARD

>>30129532
>implying only one warhead on earth has butterfly fragments

>>30129345
What evidence is there that the BUK in the video is the one that shot down the plane? I haven't seen the video so I'm just playing devils advocate.

>>30129341
How do you know what equipment the Russians have given the rebels and how do you know exactly what model was used in the shootdown?

>>30129573
>Crimea, Ukraine,

no such place exists

>>30127250
Oh how I adore the infographics news agencies throw together just for some visual for their story. Most of the information is in no way pertinent, but they throw it in for data overload and to look like experts in the field.

>sits on a tank-like structure
>caterpillar tracks with eight wheels.

>>30129345
There were other planes shot down in that same week. Why was it only missing one missile?

>>30129557
>His map is misleading in the context of his argument.

Except it wasn't, and a map of Russia west of the Ural's to show how all of Russia is ethnic Russian is very misleading.

>>30129592
>In practice, they always flew the same route. Until July 17

A route that varied past both ends of Crimea, using the sources that was screencapped here >>30129025

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Ukraine and Russia have absolutely nothing to gain from blowing up an airline so its clearly an accident.

Have you considered that the rebels could have captured the launcher from ukrainian stocks (social media reports show this) and as they don't have bigger radar beside the ones mounted on the TELAR they can't ID civilian planes from others and accidentally shot the civilian plane down?

Correct me if i am wrong but only 1 TELAR and 1 transloader were ever identified?

If Russians provided the launcher, wouldn't they provide at least 1 battery, a command vehicle, proper standalone radars?

>>30129592
>no no you see
>they didn't ACTUALLY follow their flight plans
>they did other things
>because they could
>you see they never REALLY went right over the area like it says
>Instead they went around it each and every time and never adjusted their flight plan at any point because countries don't care if you're moving through their air space!

My fucking sides can't take it anymore

>>30129697
>A route that varied past both ends of Crimea
Sure, but they only flew over the Donbas once.

And those flight paths get picked by the air traffic control of the country that you're flying in.

>>30129605
Name the other BUK warheads that do :3

>>30129622
>What evidence is there that the BUK in the video is the one that shot down the plane?

Being the only Buk in the area makes it highly suspect.

>How do you know what equipment the Russians have given the rebels and how do you know exactly what model was used in the shootdown?

Only specific Buk missiles have the type of fragments recovered from the wreckage of MH17.

Russian's didn't give the Buk to the rebels, it was operated by Russian soldiers of the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Brigade.

>>30129727
>source that literally says Mh-17 arrived 7 days after it crashed
>still claiming the source is right

Sorry bro, your source is just BS. If someone hadn't posted actual flight tracking data, you might have better luck at damage control.

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>>30129712
>Ukraine and Russia have absolutely nothing to gain from blowing up an airline so its clearly an accident.

No one is claiming it was shot down because it was an airliner.

>>30129737
>Name the other BUK warheads that do :3

>implying it was a buk

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>>30129748
>I literally don't know what flight plans are
>b-b--but zero hedge and russia totally say they diverted it
>despite no other countries being able to verify it other than Russia
>meanwhile Russia pushed the frogfoot meme super hard the whole time

>>30129728
>flight path variance was larger than Donbass's distance from the last 10 flights

>>30129778
>meanwhile Russia pushed the frogfoot meme super hard the whole time

My personal favorite was that it was a scheme by Ukraine to shoot down a plane Putin was on.

>>30129797
Pretty funny considering they now say they have 'proof' the whole time that ukraine was responsible for diverting the flight

>>30129783
But it never varied in that direction. If we calculated the mean and the standard deviation, the donbas path would have been maybe three sigma from the mean.

>>30129655

Correct. My map clearly shows that Russia, in its entirety, is full of non-Russians.

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>>30129655
Yes it was, since it is a map of ethnic groups native to certain territories that was presented to support his argument about how non-Russian Russia is. While the map I posted displays real demographic figures and effectively proves that Russia is, in fact, pretty Russian.

>>30129841
Kiev is definitely part of Russia that is filled with non-Russians

>>30129778
>conceding argument
>changing the subject
I can live with that. Its been fun.

>>30129889
>I am literally retarded

Trust me, we know. Reading comprehension isn't your kinds strong suit.

>>30129421
>Soviet occupation
>First Ukrainian state attempt was deposed by the Bolshevist revolt in Kiev by ethnic Ukrainians.

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It could have been anyone.

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>>30129861

Look at those birthrates, and more importantly where they are.

All these weapons were in the rebel territory BEFORE the war broke out. Why would Russia need to send BUK's to rebels if they already have them.

So it was possibly rebels who accidentally shot down Boeing while ukie warplanes used civil aviation for cover.

Or Ukrainian govt shot down Boeing to draw outside support and escalate conflict for their benefit.

Russia seems to think Ukraine shot down MH17 with

Pick which side is your favorite and demonize the other side. I'm on Russia's side because of neo nazi battalions and Ukraine is a pack of cunts outlawing speaking of Russian and not paying their gas bill. Therefore Petro Poroshenko obviously shot down plane.

>>30129950
>Or Ukrainian govt shot down Boeing to draw outside support and escalate conflict for their benefit.

By putting a missile battery in rebel territory and then sending the launcher back to Russia?

>>30129950

>Russia seems to think Ukraine shot down MH17 with auto cannon. This is not implausible.

Fixed

>>30127250
>Has tons of high tech mobile SAMs right across the border
>Having a trained crew for said high tech SAMs cost millions of rubles
>Wasnt us

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>>30129962

What is really negativly impressive how russiaboos still come up with the same old reheated shit after all this time, i mean there are collections from dashcams and photos showing one specific russian BUK moving from its base at Kursk to ukraine border, poping up spontaniously in rebel held territory and then later one day after MH-17 was shot down moving back to russiann border with one missle missing (!!!).

>>30129962

>By putting a missile battery in rebel territory and then sending the launcher back to Russia?

If you were there following the conflict, you would know Ukraine was getting raped militarily. They could not penetrate rebel lines or maneuvers.

Maybe rebels sent SAM's back to Russia after mistake. Maybe Ukraine shot down plane. We were not there so we won't know. We can only push our own agenda.

>>30129980
see
>>30129584

Or is a frogfoot launching a python going to be detonating above and ahead of the airframe?

>>30129950
You mean like the T-72 variant that ukraine didnt have, or like the BTR-82A, which is only in use in russian federation,...

It really fucked up how people seem to intentionally on an information level as of years ago, while everything wasnt so obvious.

>>30127250
>154 Dutch pedos died before they landed in Myanmar
Thank you based Putin

>>30129985

This is a fresh development and I would like to see your sources.

>negativly impressive

English is not your first language is it.

>>30129861
>While the map I posted displays real demographic figures and effectively proves that Russia west of the Urals is, in fact, pretty Russian.

You omitted a part, and still have not contradicted his map.

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>>30130027

>taking my shitposting this seriously

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>>30129941
In desolate Siberian and Ural wilderness with microscopic population and two Caucasian shitholes. You really should stop trying to tell me about my country, this isn't getting you anywhere.

>>30130015
>We were not there so we won't know

But people in the west have access to media that isn't state owned, so we tend to have accurate information available.

You can deny it all you want, but it's still the truth.

>>30130015
>Maybe rebels sent SAM's back to Russia after mistake.
There are vids and pic of this, so stop with apologetic "we can never know"-crap

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>>30130066
I like reiterating for the vatniks though

>>30130064
Which part did I omit?
>have not contradicted his map
Yes I did, since he posted a map of ethnic groups native to certain territories that was presented to support his argument about how non-Russian Russia is. While the map I posted displays real demographic figures and effectively proves that Russia is, in fact, pretty Russian.

>>30130078
That's Russian propaganda strategy though. They don't care about the truth, it's all about muddying the waters to the point where people get so annoyed with it all that they just throw up their hands and go 'we'll never know'

I'm outta here, I didn't know Ukraine and neo nazis were so popular with the kids these days.

>>30130073
Prepare for posts telling you how every media is lying and how western media are thus not to be trusted.

If one would play bullshit bingo over repetitive lies from russian shills, he would win multiple in one thread alone.

>>30130033
>>30130049
Speak of the devil.

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>>30130115

>western media

>>30130109
>and neo nazis were so popular with the kids these days

Why are you talking about Russia, I thought you were talking about Ukraine.

>>30130103
What is really annoying how they push that crap everywhere and it ruins it for everyone. I mean discussing anything russian military related on /k/ turned to shit within the last few years.

>>30128776
>Solidiers are stationed there
>So it's therefore part of their country
I guess every country DOES belong to America after all.

>>30130168
This is one of the primary flaws with the imageboard model in general.

>the primary method of cultural interaction is repetition
>the most autistic posters repeat things the most
>soon, there is nothing but sperg

>>30127250
Go back to Pol you fucking faggot.

>>30130097
>While the map I posted displays real demographic figures and effectively proves that Russia west of the Urals is, in fact, pretty Russian.

You keep omitting that bit, how many times am I going to have to fix it for you.

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>>30130161

I love how Russia complains about Fascists in Ukraine, while Neo-Nazis run amok in their own nation.

I love how Russians worship Hitler, who hated Slavs and wanted to exterminate them all.

That is nine levels of dumbass.

>>30130222

Seriously. Russian Neo-Nazis are particularly idiotic, worshiping a man who wanted to kill them all.

>>30130206
The map I posted pretty clearly shows that Russia is Russian, regardless from which side of the Urals. The picture is right there, visible to everyone. I hope you are not assburger enough to argue it.

>>30130049
>This is a fresh development and I would like to see your sources.
There is nothig new about this, look up BUK 3_2 on the internet and since shills will always bring this up: no, it is not the ukraine buk 312, they were at different locations before and after the downing of MH17, but people still make a fuss about it since ukraine used one picture of their buk 312 wrongly as evidence.

>>30130138
If you seriously dont know about this as well, i must truely question how much you actually know about the conflict, you seem to lack even basic reveals, but still manage to think you got an educated opinion on the matter non the less.

>>30130249

Yes. I "totally" trust a map from Russia to give me accurate information.

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>>30130222
Don't you know?

Ukraine is full of Nazis that aren't real Nazis but are instead owned and run by jews!

>>30130222
Russia is so hypocrite it isnt even funny any more, in 2013 they passed a law that get you in jail for up to 5 years if you are supporting or promoting seperatism from Russia. Makes you feel like they planed the ukraine conflict way before.

>>30130304
See, the magic thing is that the more hypocritical and abusive they act, the less the rest of the world will like them, and the better of an external boogyman they'll have to keep people from questioning their leadership.

>>30130268
>Lies!
Really now? Sorry, can't stop you from making a fool out of yourself on the internet.

>>30130292

If Hitler came back to life right now, all the Russian Neo-Nazis would swoon over their resurrected leader (while he wondered why the fuck a bunch of Slavs were praising him).

"I love you Adolf Hitler! Please kill us! God that outfit makes you look fat!"

>>30130176
Considering they are basically protectorates and we drag them into a globalist economic structure that tends to favor American corporate profits?

Yeah, many of them kinda are.

>>30130249
Your map of Russia west of the Urals does not contradict the area of his map west of the Urals, but apparently you are assburger enough to argue it.

>>30130329
If you look actually into this, it is really scary how many parallels in development there are between nazi germany and todays russia, they even got their Sudetenland conflict by now. This very uncanny for me as a german.

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>>30130371

>>30130386
I never said it was a bad thing, mister president.

Gotta BTFO the commies somehow, might as well make a buck doing it

>>30130377

Which is why no European should trust Russia.

>>30130377
Thank Christ for nuclear weapons.

Also, you faggots need to all up your military spending to like 4% of GDP and create a unified military command.

Because America is going down the shitter fast and the training wheels can only stay on for so long.

>>30130372
It very visibly does contradict the area of his map west of the Urals. He also used a native ethnicity map to support his demographics argument which doesn't make any sense, while I posted the actual coherent demographics map that clearly showed that hist argument is false.

>>30130409
I'm honestly just waiting for Putin to be proclaimed president-for-life

>>30130418

You are assuming Russian census takers objectively report information accurately.

I'm a little skeptical of that in a country where corruption is rampant.

>>30130424
Lmao he already is

I have no problem with that however he is best than anyone else we could put in

and having longterm presidetn lead to less problems than new man new party every four years

>>30130466
yeah, who cares about the occasional apartment bombing false flag

>>30130466
You say this, but the US hasn't have a revolution or violent change of government since we brought in the last constitution in 1789.

The UK has gone since 1689. The Netherlands since 1581.

Rule of law can produce absurdly stable countries if you manage to stick with it.

>>30130466
This just sounds so like Hitler.
>>30130377

>>30130465
See >>30130331

>>30130466

Yes, because the history of Russia is full of "good governance".

>>30129257
go watch nick cage sell gun and maybe you'll get it

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dead urinians are so beautiful

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>>30131243
>>30131260
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>>30131435
urinians are torturing pows like isis

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>>30131504

>>30127250
cause their establishment right now is an authoritarian state with militaristic and fascist values

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>>30128901
SHUT UP putin propagandist

>>30129267
Just know I'd suck your dick if I could

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>>30128857
>russian weapons in ukraine
>MUST BE THE RUSSIANS GOING INTO UKRAINE BLAH BLAH BLAH

>MURRICUNT and western weapons and even soldiers in ukraine
>nonono, they just have them there because MAGICAL REASONS

*slow claps* nice damage control there faggots

>>30127760
Over ruled

I am the Law.

>US stages a coup in Ukraine
>"Muh evil Russia and Putins aggression!"

Russia wanted to secure Crimea if such an event was to take place. It serves their interest.

It's in US interest to prop up puppet leaders all over the world and encircle Russia and China with Nato bases, but you don't hear that on the news. All you get is "MUH CHINESE NUKE SUBS AND PUTINS MISSILE".

US is acting like the cold war never ended. They've always done that. Talk a bunch of shit about a nation that isn't on their side, call the leader a murderous dictator and use CIA to overthrow the person. Fuck, your leadership will kill its own people to justify going to war. That's Soviet-tier shit.

>>30130246
Most Russians want to leave Russia and drink themselvws to death. Hitler is their faclessman, killing crippled slaves as a form of mercy.

>>30128747
>Pretext for war is that he might still have weapons we gave him

IRREFUTABLE

>>30132478
>This is what Vatniks actually believe

1. villagers posted pics of missle fragments they found in fields
2. also, immediately after crash, but before it was reported on news, russian backed separatist leader was bragging on facebook about having just shot down ukrainian plane, and posting political ramblings as justification
3. post was immediately deleted like an hour later when CNN headlines showed malaysian civilian airliner crashed in same area
4. russian paratroopers and rebels immediately secured area of crash site, and didnt let anyone (foreigners, locals) in or allow to take pictures, for days
5. days later, russia releases hilarious photoshop of satellite image showing what are supposed to be ukraine jets shooting missiles at airliner
6. never mind the fact that eyewitnesses reported seeing missile trail come from ground, and a couple of amateur videos show smoke trail of missile from ground as plane is falling in pieces


yeah the russians shot it down and fucked up and they wont admit it, why would they? if anything you should be mad at obamas administration for giving putin a free pass and not aggressively calling him out on this bullshit military escalation

>>30129292
>when Russians photoshop a picture of themselves being stupid onto Ukrainians

>>30127926
Hint: There were.

>>30132662
You'd believe it too if you'd follow news sources other than Fox.

>>30132269
> Using weapons from every country gives you plausible deniability

>>30127250
Getting the Russian government to tell the truth is like getting Donald Trump and Oprah to marry settle down and adopt three Asian kids. Nice idea but will never happen.

The entire Russian state is built around lying. The Russian public used know this under the ussr and have ways of interpreting state lies to figure out nuggets of truth.


They did it. They know they did it but will have a brain haemorrhage if they admit it because it goes against everything that the kremlin represents.

>>30127288
dindu royassia.

>>30127489
Burnt alive. Including kids who then had their partially burnt toys looted by the 'rebels'.


Its the Moscow way.

>>30127250
NO FUCKING WAY A BUK MISSILE WEIGHS 55 kg. That is less then an aim-9. More like around 700 kg.

>>30133219
>>30133217
>>30133212
>>30133209
>>30133203
>>30133201
>>30133197
>>30133189
Dat butthurt, man.

Russia shot down MH17. Just deal with it.

>>30131366

Story behind that is it was a separatist who was a dick and went so overboard that the loyalty oath Chechens that were shipped in from russia cut his heart out.

https://youtu.be/8WA1rP5WGfY?t=1632


The locals played volleyball with it.

>>30131504
>urinians are torturing pows like isis

To be fair the separatists were killing all wounded(after torturing) when they took any position. in addition to intimidation, rape and murder of locals that dont agree with them. They have earned the treatment they are getting.

Jesus. I didn't the RIDF was a real thing.

They act like petulant fucking children, jesus christ.

Meh. A bunch of death civilians. Who gives a fuck?

>>30132478
>evil west staging coup in Ukraine! Everyone loved the government before that! Fucking west using the countries own laws to stage a coup

Kek

Because then Russia would have to admit it's military was invading Ukraine instead of just local ethnic Russians. Then they would give the west every justification to amp up sanctions and punitive measures. Only a fool would walk into that trap

>>30131504
>russhits and their supporters
>people
Haha funny

>the flight plan was changed! Zerohedge told me so!

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-mh17-10-previous-flightpaths-different-from-17-7.t4378/

Top fucking lel

>>30133300
You'd care if it was someone close to you.

>>30133338

Actually, I would be very happy.

A war between brothers is always the most violent kind.

>>30127757
>the separatists are traitors to Ukraine
>Pro-federal loyalists are traitorous separatists

>>30128306
>>30128355
t. someone who isn't Russian and hasn't talked to any Russians

Also someone who talks out of their ass

>>30128730
At least he didn't keep lying, unlike half the Western world.

>>30129930
Maybe Ukraine did it to win the media war. Maybe.

>>30133377
>meanwhile still lies about mh17 and '99 apartment bombings

>>30129092
>that pic
>that name
That dude is Finnish. The person who did that picture clearly did his research well.

>>30128840
>>30128889
>Western Ukraine was taken during and following WW2
>Eastern Ukraine was gifted during the Soviet era
>Crimea was gifted in 1952 under an unconstitutional order and has been an issue since
I'm not the guy saying they aren't a country, but most of their territorial sovereignty can easily be called into question. That said, fuck you, Crimea is Russian. Come at me bro.

Come on, Russia, take the hint. World War III, let's do it! Yeah, lots of people will die, but it's not like the human race couldn't use a bit of a pruning now and then.

>>30133312
US has a history of forcing regime changes and installing puppets like Poroshenko.

>>30127250
>diameter 0.13m
>13cm
>55kg weight
wat

+700kg weight. Missile head is around 50-70kg. The retard who put that together didn't know what he was doing.

>>30127250
Reminder that the next Eurovision Song Contest will be in Russia

>>30127250
Why would they?

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>>30133535
Ukraine will win every year until Russia stops being butt-hurt about it.

>>30133544
Ukraine can't participate when it's not a country anymore

>>30133222
Those are pro-Russians in those pics lol

>>30133544

Do anyone except Easternfags take Eurotrash seriously? It's a joke of a program.

>>30133416
Russia has a history of pushing countries towards their enemies by being blatant retards.

>>30130222
>I love how Russians worship Hitler, who hated Slavs and wanted to exterminate them all.
thats how Untermenschen work friend

>>30133397
>I am literally retarded

we know

>>30128894
What are the visible differences between the PKP Pecheneg and the PKM?

>>30133597
Carrying handle and bolt cover are the most obvious ones.

>>30129267
they never stood a chance. poor bastards.

>>30129267
everywhere the Chechen went they slit all the women and all the injured throats.

What a fuck up nation Russia is. It's a good thing AIDS is so wide spread in the Russian armed forces.

>>30133397
He actually isn't. Helsingin Sanomat called him and he didn't speak Finnish. It's a fake identity.

>>30129211
Lots, but Nationalists will be Nationalists.

>>30130856

The history of Russia is one long tale of autocrats killing those less than powerful than them.

>>30129018
Stop using sound, logical arguments against putinshits. They can't grasp it or respond in any meaningful way. You'll just get frustrated by their shit post responses.

>>30135209

stop shitposting

>>30133330
>flightaware literally changed their data after the fact
>not a coverup