/akg/ AK General

A quick reminder for those who ordered plums and rpk bakes, check your emails for payment info.
Also, if you want to get in on the next order, Used Plums are $20, 5.45 rpk bakes are $50, aluminum paratrooper 7.62 waffles are $60, 7.62 bakes are $35, 40 round 7.62 rpk bakes are $90.

>>30102534
Not to sound like a retard, but I've never used PayPal. Do I just need to set up a account ?

>>30102490
A weapon to surpass metal gear!

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>>30102490
What muzzle devices can I get that will allow me to still put a bayonet on an akm? Thnx /k/.

>>30102687
slant break, tapco slot one (not 74 ripoff)
>das all i know

>>30102687
off the top of my head:
polish AKML flash hider
and i believe the 3 prong hider from snake hound machine

you'll have to confirm though

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Anyone know of any good books on the Soviet Afghan War?

"One Soldier's War" by Arkady Babchenko is a great read on both Chechen Wars and it'd be great to find a similar type book from a Russian's perspective tn Afghanistan.

>>30102557
Their site will answer all of your questions..
Email
Billing address
Card/checking number

>>30102687

You could just get a 74 brake and use a 74 style bayonet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCp3lFr2N4
new SLR 5000 rounds vid

>>30102948
No you can't.
Unless you have a FSB with a bayo lug that will not work.
>Plus the 74 "style" 14/1 brake is worthless.

>>30102948
"no"

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>>30102961

>SLR-107 kicks ass
>no sign of unusual wear whatsoever
>still tackdrivingly accurate
>little work with a dremel tool makes the trigger work 100% better

I'm feeling better about my SLR-107 purchase by the second.

Holy fuck that 74 brake's muzzle blast though, is this thing going to blind me if I shoot it in low light indoors if I get home invaded?

>>30103270
Don't be worried. I have a Zenitco DTK-2 on mine.

>>30103270
>b-but muh finish

>>30102557
All you need is an email and bank info. It's pretty straight forward
>unless you're selling stuff, then you have to verify a lot of info and wait a month

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>>30103270

>replaced stock trigger with AKT
>looked at the old trigger parts
>all of them are stamped "U.S."

For fucks sake Arsenal, you can't even chalk up that trigger to drunken Bulgarians making it.

Can't they just make something along the lines of the AKT and throw it in all their rifles standard?

>>30103301

People who are expecting 7.62x39 thirty-round bakes should be expecting links later, right?

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>these will never come back in stock anywhere
Kill me now.

>>30103333
Haha. I can't wait till my 105 clone is finished

>>30103326
Yes, the first shipment is only plums and rpk bakes. But he ran out of plums so one order may be delayed

>>30103270
>>little work with a dremel tool makes the trigger work 100% better

This bothers me, honestly. How do you even fuck up an AK trigger in the first place?

>>30102534
>40 round 7.62 rpk bakes are $90.

HNFNNNNGGGGG

You better fucking post about this. I want one, also an aluminum waffle.

Plums you speak of are 5.45, right?

>>30103373
>>30103320 here

Their reasoning is to add a little lip to the end to make it a fake two-stage trigger.

In reality it just makes it feel like, as Rob describes, "dragging a dead hooker through the rail yard".

>>30103390

Are 40 round 7.62 bakes supposedly ultra expensive and/or rare?

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>>30103393
>Their reasoning is to add a little lip to the end to make it a fake two-stage trigger.

>to make it a fake two-stage trigger.

>a fake two-stage trigger.

WHAT THE FUCK.

>>30103390
You can email me at [email protected] and I'll put you on the spreadsheet

>>30103408

I don't even know, I've just been wanting one for a while

Owner of a single stack WASR-10, want to convert to double stack. I understand the process, but the question I have is concerning the bolt. I've seen in one or two places people talking about needing a different bolt for double, but most of the stuff I've seen hasn't said anything about that. Any advice ?

>>30103393
This. It uh, doesn't really work very well.

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>>30103424

Yep, it's an absolutely dumbass idea.

>>30103513
Take a picture of the bottom of the bolt. The only real difference is that in the double stack bolts it's wider than the single stack

>>30103529
Not home right now but I'll post one in a few

>>30103680
A few what?

>>30103429
Sent

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>>30102961
>>30103270

So overall, how do SLRs currently rank on the AK food chain, now that Rob Ski has gotten a chance to work one over?

>>30104099
t-they're garbage

>>30104099
30+ years of Bulgarian imports and testimonials > "Rob Ski"

Does anyone understand the us export ruses for optics? I heard that scopes were not allowed, but what about non military red dots?
>>30104203
he sang the praises of everything but the finish and trigger

>>30104099

- stellar fundamentals (wear resistance, reliability, accuracy, etc.)
- some minor fit/finish and cosmetic issues, but if you're unlucky you might get an AK where the paint bubbles off
- shitty trigger, replace it or dremel that stupid lip off

Until we get more info on DDI, I rank Arsenals just below Vepr.

They're excellent rifles. It's just a shame that they cost $1000+, which I think is sacrilege considering the AK's original intended purpose of being an inexpensive, but reliable and effective rifle.

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http://algdefense.com/ak-high-energy-main-spring.html

Should I get this?

Would this help in "more reliable primer ignition", or is this just snake oil that will accelerate wear on my hammer and rear bolt?

>>30104288
It's mostly just snake oil

>>30104246
SGL-31 and 21 are still the top dogs.

>>30104402
Kek

>>30104099
Top three foreign made AKs not including boutique expensive Rifle Dynamics-tier rifles or kit builds (which depending on your kit and who builds it could easily be the best for the money):

7.62x39:
SGL21, VEPR, SLR107fr in that order, with WASRs being the go to budget AK.

5.45x39:
SGL31, SLR104fr, and VEPR in that order, with SLR104fr being the go to 5.45 rifle.

>>30104455
yfw no wasr imports in 5.45

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>>30104402

Why didn't they include the receiver reinforcement plate under the pistol grip though, like on the SLRs? That still bothers me to this day.

>>30104477
Because it isn't needed on rifles without folding stocks. It only bothers me on the SGL 21-94s and 31-94s.

>>30104472
there was once for a short time
Cugir does make 5.45 AKs for the Romanian military

Century should get on them about bringing back the WASR-2

>>30104477
arsenal las vegas doesnt give a shit about anything.they're guns are good but not cause of anything that happens in country

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>>30102961
>gets no-go gauge
>"oh no it closed!!!!"
>"naw j/k it's fine ;)"

Fuck you Rob that wasn't funny.

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Well I managed to find an SLR-107FR at my local gun store. Problem is, it is the 107-36 model with that horrible quad rail setup and they want 1250 OTD after taxes. Good news is it is also very clean and has zero canting to it.

Should I pick it up now or wait for however long it takes for another shipment of rifles to get into the US?

>>30104803
Tough call, I say buy it, sell the quadrail.

Extra $100-150 now isn't bad insurance.

>>30104455
you should drop the SGLs because those are Saiga's that are converted and no longer made/imported

>>30104936
Doesn't mean they're not still out there for around the same price as SLRs.

>>30104909

That was what I was thinking but how in demand is that quad rail set up though? The zenitco and ultimak combo is so much better.

$1250 is a lot of cash for an AK.

>>30104288
avoid. a lot of people have had punctured primers using that spring. the the spring that comes with your AK is perfectly fine.

>>30104965
>for an AK
People need to stop thinking about AK's as
>dem cheap commie rifles
It's really problematic

>>30104979
>bullshit the post
A stronger hammer spring wouldn't cause punctured primers, an out of spec firing pin would cause punctured primers.

>>30105010

erm. they ARE cheap commie rifles. when the AR-15 is now pound for pound better and cheaper than your historically cheap AK rifle, something is fucked. I could take that same $1250 and buy a BCM rifle that would out perform the SLR-107 any day of the week.

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>>30105045

>>30105020

regardless. the high energy spring 'helps' create punctured primers and is a worthless addition to your rifle.

>>30105075

>hurr bait

pathetic.

I don't normally follow these threads soooo if there's like a little thing you guys put together that can tell you whats the best option for what ya want then I'm sorry if I'm askin a dumb question. So, I'm looking into getting a Yugo AK and I want to know what you guys think is the best option. I'd like to keep it around $600-800 if possible

>>30105111
WASR

Just get a WASR

>>30105111

WASR 10 or DDI rifle.

WASR is more 'mil-spec' and very tough where as the DDI is more accurate and nice looking.

>>30105125
>>30105131
Alright I'll look into those. I'd prefer a Mil-spec one if possible sooo I'll look into the WASRs

>>30105093
>the high energy spring 'helps' create punctured primers
Please refer back to >>30105020.

Just contacted Two River Arms and anther builder to get my Bulgy AK-74 done right, pretty excited. Hopefully I can get my stuff back before any shitty laws are passed next year :^)

>>30105131
If WASR's had the goddamn mag-dimple, it'd be an open and shut case. Otherwise, it's DDI.

>>30105419
Fuck, this. The lack of dimples just triggers the fuck out of me every time I look at my WASR. It's the SOLE reason I've been considering getting buying another AKM.

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>>30102490
>bigger than the .50 BMG revolver
>bigger than the 20mm Garand
>40mm AK
mfw burglars break in and I know it's time to start sweeping rooms with the 40mm AK

>>30105419
That's simply an aesthetic annoyance though

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>>30105419
>>30105435
>no dimple on non russian AK
how do you think i feel?

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I need this in my life, how do i get one?

>>30105653
join russian special forces

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>>30102490
>>30102490
>>30102490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCp3lFr2N4

ARSENAL TEST UPDATE 3K ROUNDS

I too noticed the ridiculous fucking flash from the normal AK-74 brake with some 7N6.

I was fucking flash-blind right in my center of vision trying to see targets early morning one day. Purchased a manticore nightshroud, which isn't as effective as I had hoped.

Here's a WEBM of the nightshroud Mk2.

(flash is in the very top portion).

>>30105653
Just wait until it gets adopted on a large enough scale and then buy smuggled ones in the states.

>>30105718
The most effected flash hider on the fucking planet is the Bulgarian 4-piece.

>>30105718
Couple hours late. Already posted numb nuts.

>>30105882
well goddamn who cares, maybe someone didn't see it yet?

>>30103270

You should be using Vympel ammunition for 7.62x39, it has flash suppressants in the powder and a giant air cavity like 7n6 does.

>>30102534


I get 30 round 7.62 bakes for $15 from a ukrainian source.

>>30104246

$1000 will be cheap once the next shipment comes in summertime next year, If hillary is elected they will be $2000.

>>30104477

The saga's are not in AK configuration from the factory, they are heavily converted shorter rifles, they SLR's leave the factory in near converted condition, the saigas are not even close.

>>30105045

Arms have dropped in price, AK's have climbed, the AR is the cheapo rifle now.

>>30103270
yes it absolutely will flash blind you, it did me early one morning.

I immediately purchased a flash hider afterward.
Keep one on your shooting gear in case of low light evening/morning/night shooting.

Since it's a detent system you can change them out easily.

>>30105419

DDI's have had tons of issues, plus the owner is a piece of shit.

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I just got some parts in for my WASR. Feedback/criticism is appreciated

>>30106010
You just need to get laid :^)

>>30106049
Is that a tapco break?

>>30106049
Alright what did you add?

>>30106049

>fakelite mag

4/10 dump that and get some actual steel surplus mags.

7/10 otherwise

>>30106049
>tapco AK-74 style brake
>tapco fakelite
>no cleaning rod
Nice cancer

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>>30106049
That brake is supposed to be pretty shitty, I have personally not used one but it looks heavy to me.

I can't stand front heavy stuff on my AK-74, presumably the same if I added something heavy to my AKM.

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>>30105938

For serious? So Golden Tiger is less prone to burning your eyes out?

>>30106049
Tapco 74 style brake does nothing, any reduction in climb is due to the weight. The tapco slot brake isnt bad on the cheap. Jmac customs is doing a comparison on brakes for reduction and flash sig. The AMD 65 is surprisingly good.

>>30106090
Everywhere I looked online for bakelite was either sold out or $50+ per mag

>>30106068
Yeah. I know it gets a lot of hate on here, but I like how it looks.

>>30106314
see
>>30102534

You're welcome.

>>30106089
74 style brake, bakelite pistol grip, and a replacement front sight post because mine broke off sometime recently.

>>30105954
Neat. Whats the quality like on them? I imagine it must be hard getting milsurp out of ukraine

>>30106099
Thanks for the criticism. I really want bakelite, but it's hard as tits to acquire locally and online it's way too pricey for my poorfag self. Also the tapco brake is just there cause I like the look. I have the cleaning rod, but I forgot about putting it back in. Thanks for reminding me about that one.

>>30106103
Are there any similar brakes you can recommend? I'm all for some tasteful modifications.

>>30106329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpkbuCjvbJk

Its worth the watch. Skip to 11:41 to see the flash chart.

>>3010615
>>30106341
Thanks dude, sorry if I'm newfagging too hard

>>30105379

>can't understand that standard weaker mill spec springs will not impart enough force on an bad firing pin to puncture a primer
>however a stronger one will
>therefore THE EXTRA POWER SPRING 'HELPS' WITH CAUSING PUNCTURED PRIMERS

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243757

read this thread and then neck yourself nigger

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>>30106377

Not to shill for Rob Ski, but he reviewed this brake.

http://shop.akoperatorsunionlocal4774.com/Fighter-24-Muzzle-Brake-Fighter-24-Muzzle-Brake.htm

And here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCp3lFr2N4

Skip to 1:45 for the brake review. Seems just as good as a legit 74 style brake for keeping the muzzle down, but has the added bonus of not blinding the fuck out of you in the dark.

>>30106469
That actually looks nice. I'll check it out.

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>>30106489

PWS also makes a damn good muzzle device that helps reduce recoil and flash. Not very 'combloc' looking but it works very well.

Anyone here needs a beryl rail?

>>30102490
>Has science gone too far?

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>>30106526
I think these echo93 hiders look pretty OK on AKMs

>>30107452

that looks very similar to the Bulgarian flash hider (not the 4 piece)

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>>30107594
It looks like it's pretty much a copy of the AKMN flash hider

I just noticed that the rear sight notch wasn't cut straight on my rear sight leaf.

wew lad

>>30107610

huh. sweet.

>>30103373
>made in usa
>muh 922r gotta support our unions

that's how

>>30107665

What sucks is that there are plenty of US made aftermarket AK parts that blow the Russian made stuff out of the water (FCGs, muzzle brakes, etc.)

The problem is that every US made part that is thrown on an AK for the purpose of getting it into the country for 922r compliance is often pure shit.

>>30107792

you taking that thing out tomorrow to offend the vets?

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>>30107801

>offend the vets

man this thing offends everyone. the amount of hate and angst it garners is maximum hilarity.

>>30107819

you're doing Gods work.

>>30107801
:^)

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>>30107819
>that foregrip
>that stock

>>30107819

>dat PK-A

Going to get an Obzor for my 107FR, now that I've gotten an AKT and US Palm grip.

Would you recommend that AK-9 lower handguard?

>>30107610
Basically just shorter and 922r for bootlickers

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My abomination AK and the ShitStick.
The AK is an M90NP, no.16 off the line and clearly they hadn't got their shit together completely yet. The handguards were a shitshow and the retainers was fucked up beyond. So it became what you see now. For those wondering or feeling the rage building the optic is stolen off of a SMAW and fitted to an ACOG base.

The other rifle is just the ShitStick.

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Anybody ever get their stock screws replaced?

I sorta lost mine

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>>30107849

>Would you recommend that AK-9 lower handguard?

yes. a bit expensive though they seem to appearing more often.
i got it because almost every other railed handguard for the ak looks terrible to me.
the ak9 retains that classic look with subtle rail additions.

>>30108032
Where the fuck do you get a SMAW optic?

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Question.

Who here would actually go for their AK first (rather than any other gun you currently own) if you heard a loud crash, or heard unknown people, in your house in the middle of the night?

>>30108313
Sure, if it's set up we'll I'd grab it first no problem. SBR with some hollow points, reflex sight, and an aggressive brake. Come n git it.

>>30108313
The only other guns I own are a 100 year old red 9, several bolt actions and an ar with a 20 inch barrel

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>>30108313
Warsaw stock, 12"-14" barrel with brake, still doing 2200fps

>through 4 layers of demin

No problem at all grabbing an AK for many situations

Where the Russians still issuing AKS74s in the first Chechen War or were they all entirely replaced with the AK74M at that point?

>>30108594
>Where
*were, stupid auto correct

>>30102490
ISIS has access to training models?

>>30108594
There were plenty of AKS-74s

>>30108622
Were they still being issued during the Second Chechen War?

>>30108646
Probably.

>>30108313

Probably not. 7.62 would go through my thin apartment walls extremely easily.

>>30108723

Yeah, apartments aren't friendly for rifle rounds, and probably not even pistol rounds.

In that case I'd probably just stick with buckshot.

>>30108293
The guy I bought it from also had a trio of C79 Elcans, an AN/PVS-1 mount for an M40 and a whole pile of mounts that appeared to be robbed off M134's so I think some thievery was involved.

>>30108313
Nah. I'd just use my cheap used DP-51 and call it good senpai

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Ahello akg

>>30108787
What's with the pills?

>>30108761

proper 5.56 or 5.45 loadings wouldn't be too bad of a choice but I have a shotgun anyway. 8 rounds of FUCK YOU and I don't even have to be a great shot.

>>30108787
What are you taking bud.
Xanax?

>>30102961
i'am liking that fighter brake 24

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Well /akg/ I might have fucked up.

>take wife out for some memorial day weekend shooting innawoods
>been bringing her up on a steady diet of .22LR shooting out of the Ruger 10/22
>she's been asking me for a while if she can shoot my AK
>finally decide to let her give it a shot

Now mind you she's never shot something like this before, so I decided to be cautious.

>set her up on a bench and a rest
>make sure her ear and eye protection is nice and snug
>make sure she's shouldering it properly
>everything seems perfect
>tell her to try for a target I set up
>she fires
>she lets out a little scream, she wasn't expecting it to be so concussive
>have her take her hands off the rifle, take off my ear protection to ask if she's okay
>hear a strange rustling/hissing
>look down where she's sitting
>puddle around the bench, dribbling over the side
>scared so much she started wetting her pants, badly

She was super embarrassed, but said it wasn't my fault. However I'm afraid she might never want to shoot AKs or other salt rifles ever again.

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>>30102490

>>30109308
I laughed way more than I should have

>>30109308
when will this "squirting is piss" meme fucking die?

I swear to god...

>>30106010
So do you have any proof are or you just shiting out bait?

>>30108078
literally google ak stock screws

>>30102855
The Bear Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan. It's a translation of a Russian book made by Frunze Military Academy after the war.

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>>30109308

.....did your AK cuck you and make your wife squirt?

>>30109634
>one page long
>"cyкa блять kill em all"

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>>30109634
I actually went to a local thrift shop today and picked up "Zinky Boys: Soviet Voices from the Afghanistan War" by Svetlana Alexievich

There were a couple others I've been eyeing on Amazon and the one you recommended was one of them, but in all honesty I'm more into firsthand accounts and memoirs of war (much like "One Soldier's War" and "With the Old Breed" and others along those lines) rather than things that read like textbooks. They're just more easy to relate to when coming from other people than when it's just fact after fact.

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>>30109308
>No A-Anon! It's j-just pee!

>>30109481 and >>30109657 are right, you'd better start getting ready for her to serve you up the divorce papers. You've been cucked by the BKC.

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If you could only have one AK what caliber would it be?

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>>30109754
7.62x39 polytech spiker

>>30109754
7.62x39

Cheap mags and surplus, ammo is at or below the cost of 5.45x39, substantial aftermarket, Mikhail's preferred round, excellent penetration, etc.

>>30109754
5.45x39 is by far my favorite caliber, but if I could only have one it'd be 7.62x39.

That is at least until 5.45 parts, mags, and ammo all get a substantial boost in availability, affordability, and popularity on the US market to make it on par with 7.62x39 in all those regards.

Are the $1000 5.56 AKs worth it?

I feel like they'd be more practical in SHTF

>>30109754
>tfw no 7.62x54 AK

I just want my Kalashnugget

>>30109829
fuck, Kalashnagant sounds so much better.

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>>30108313
I'd probably grab my PM md.63 simply because it's got the bullet that's least likely to over-penetrate and because, unlike my AR, it doesn't have a magnified optic on it. It also wouldn't blow out my eardrums as badly as the AK74 would.

>>30109583
Basically he just needs to get laid.

>>30109829
Buy a VEPR

Looking to get my first AK, should I go C39 or DDI?

What's the best iron sight adjustment tool for the AK?

I see one on Amazon by Tapco for 18 bucks that has good reviews.

>>30109854
WASR
>>30109857
Doesn't matter, they're all the same

>>30109844
Do they made one that has the split hand guard?
I like the profile of the gas port on AKs more than what I've seen on VEPRs.

>>30109824

a 5.56 AR is the most practical choice during SHTF followed by a 7.62 AK.

>>30109844
(>>30109878)

Also I'm a POOOOOORfag. Like, save up for a Kel-Tec poorfag.

>>30109837

>7.62 rifle
>least likely to over-penetrate

I'm confused.

>>30109885
this might be a dumb question but are there any with easily convertable barrels/parts

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>>30109854
DDI.

>>30109861
>WASR
Back to /r/AK47 with you.

>>30109885
This. The AR is America's baby no matter how you look at it and, in the US, it's easier to maintain an ammo and parts source for than an AK, regardless of scenario.

>>30109902
Put it this way: the only weapon I own that has a slower bullet would be my 10/22, and that's got a magnified optic on it, plus I don't trust it to kill someone because I'm not an ultrafudd. 7.62x39mm is a slow, fat bullet that's far more likely to get lodged in something than 5.56x45mm or 5.45x39mm.

>>30109905
ARs? Yeah, if you get the proper parts and take the time to learn what you're doing you can swap barrels pretty quickly. QB over in /arg/ constantly rearranges his ARs when bored because it really doesn't take all that much effort. There are also ARs with quick change barrel systems (like the DOLOS) and all sorts of other shit. If you're talking about the AK, however, then the answer is no.

>>30109954
Why do you like DDI? New AK buyer myself (graduation money) so my main concerns are accuracy and reliability

>>30109954

I'm thinking I've been rused. Anyway, I hope you are specifically using a under powered 7.62x39 round because the 7.62 is known for it's high penetration over 5.56/5.45. The AK-103 was basically created for the need for more penetration.

>>30109985

probably the most accurate AK rifles are DDI. Not the most tough but they get the job done as range toys and home defense rifles.

5.45 is also the more accurate AK round so I'd be looking at a DDI 74 from Classic Firearms or an SLR-104.

>>30109861
>Doesn't matter, they're all the same

It just seems that every review I read is someone snapping an AK sight tool trying to unstick frozen sights.

I just want to make sure that I don't get jewed into buying some cheap pot metal that'll break on the first try.

>>30110040
are the parts that aren't tough able to be easily replaced?

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>>30110083
stock, gas tube, pistol grip, FCG, hand guards, leaf sight, and muzzle break are the only 'easily removed components'

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>>30109985
They've had a great track record in the past of repairing all of the AKs that Waffen Werks shat out before going out of business, which to me shows strong customer solidarity that wasn't required since the only affiliation between them and WW was that they bought WW's machines. Other than that, their finish is pretty damn nice, they seem to do a good job at picking out and using good parts kits, their prices aren't anywhere near as high as Arsenal's, and the only bad shit I've heard about them is the owner producing top tier bantz and calling people who illegitimate gripes losers and virgins.

I've not had the chance to shoot mine yet, but my ammo arrives Tuesday and I'll probably do some light shooting with it on Sunday and I'll report back how it handles then, but everything I've read so far and seen so far leads me to believe that it'll be a fine rifle.

It's really not so much that I love DDI so much as I dislike WASRs. WASRs are a decent rifle at $500 and below, but they don't seem to be in that price range anymore. The finish on them is atrocious, they've had major problems in the past with canted sights, bent barrels, and all sorts of other whack shit, and obviously muh mag wobble because they're converted magwells.

WASRs, in my opinion, are very much the new Mosin/SKS. They've got a fan base that hypes them up and recommends them at every opportunity and everything that's more expensive is shit for an obscure reason or is overpriced and full of unnecessary features like having a finish that doesn't scrape off when you rub your finger nail against it.

>>30110018
>7.62x39mm is known for high penetration over 5.56mm
No, that's a straight up lie. 7.62x39mm is a significantly slower, significantly heavier round. It's better at transferring energy than 5.56x45mm is, therefore stopping faster than 5.56, which is why you see SF soldiers using and not standard Russian troops. 7.62x39mm has a very, very narrow window where it's better than 5.45 and 5.56.

So, please don't run me out of the thread for being a total dipshit, but I just turned 18 and i want to know what would be the best AK for me to start out with. Iv owned plenty of other rifles but I want a reliable AK that I can gradually upgrade into a fucking monster. Where to start?

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>>30110123

>>30102490
omg is that gun real?

>>30110133
Is there any particular reason why WASR is the way to go?

>>30110133

War's a cheap romanian junk with shitty barrels.

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>>30110146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfUOfDcLX0I&feature=share

>>30110116
So if something breaks that I can't replace can I send it to them for it to be repaired? From what I've read WASRs seem to be hit or miss whereas DDI seems to have consistent quality. I own pistols and shotguns so I'm not familiar with AKs or their manufacturers

>>30110146

They are ok, but romania has never been known for quality in regards to firearms, the WASR is a meme and it's mostly satire when people say to buy a wasr.


OPAP is a better starter AK.

>>30110148
This guy must have bought a RAS

>>30110167
From what I understand they're pretty willing to fix anything of theirs under warranty. They put a warranty on all the old WW AKs and allowed people with problems to turn them in for fixing. That being said, it's been awhile since WW AKs were sold, but everyone who had one fixed seemed pretty happy.

>>30110168
snowflake wood
snowflake side rail
wew
e
w

>>30110167

Century arms customer service is horrible, they will likely break your rifle even more vs fixing it, the quality on the new wasrs is slightly better, but like the other guy said the finish is shit, the barrels are very cheap (Iraqveteran8888's broke at 278 rounds)

>>30110182

what?

>>30110066

well the good thing with buying from Amazon is that if it does break you are covered by their returns.

if you absolutly have to have the best for a tool that you're only going to use once per rifle.. here ya go:

http://www.amazon.com/AKFST-AK-47-Front-Sight-Tool/dp/B00510LEDQ

>>30110161
Well fuck

>>30110181
>>30110189
How is DDI's customer service, both under warranty and not. I want to avoid what >>30110189 said as I know a lot of other non AK gun manufacturers have a similar reputation. I don't plan on running over my AK with a car like in that vid that was posted. I take good care of my guns I just want to make sure it won't shit itself after the first or second day at the range

>>30110211

DDI probably has the best, whenever someone has a issue they have paid for return shipping and fixed it for free, at least going from AKfiles threads.

>>30110083

no. most parts that wear out in an AK are cause for just trashing the rifle (if you even manage to wear out a quality AK)

if you need a rifle that will go to war and come back in one piece: get a WASR or Arsenal SLR.

if you are just going to the range or defending your home, DDI is perfectly fine.

Wasr is overhyped, shit balsa wood, no receiver dimples, park finish looks dumb and unless the guns coated in oil will rust.


Go DDI or Pap something, you want something cheap you can start out with and learn with for you're first,You can always go higher end down the road if you want to get another.


The wasr was great at $550 max, at $650 no way.

>>30110116

you are either trolling or honestly the first person I've ever heard saying that the 7.62 penetrates less.

please, give me one shred of evidence.

>>30110168
What about NPAP? I have a friend who is selling a zastava right now for pretty cheap

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/james-grant/gun-review-zastava-n-pap-ak-47/

>>30110222
>if you are just going to the range or defending your home, DDI is perfectly fine.
yeah that's mainly what I'm looking for. I don't make abusing my guns a practice even if they are reliable. If I have to go to war I imagine I'll be able to find an authentic AK for cheap

>>30110236

He's likely to reply with he shitty test MAC did shooting a tree and somehow expecting that to be a consistent fair test, he himself has said the test was a mistake and he would redo it with ballistics gel, he hasn't done it yet.


Physically a slower higher projectile with more mass will penetrate more then a faster projectile with less mass, unless he wants to dispute the laws of physics, 5.45 offers no advantage over 7.62 in semi automatic rifles.

>>30110248

The wood furniture is slightly different and a bit heavier then the WASR, but it's built beefier then the wasr, barrel is much thicker, it will have receiver dimples that gives the receiver more strength.

>>30110256

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ddi-black-poly-rifle-with-wbp-parts-kit-detail.html?Itemid=0

I'd go for this rifle. However, you are really close to Arsenal territory at these prices which IMO is the better buy.

>>30110261

I knew all that. I just wanted to see how far he would be willing to go with his bullshit.

>>30110268
>built beefer than wasr
receiver bends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j18op9M6QgM

>>30110268
Sweet! Thank you! Any suggestions on upgrades/better optics?

>>30110268

you're thinking of the OPAP, not the NPAP.

>>30110282
that's the one I was looking at. I feel the same way but between shipping and tax I dunno if I could get an arsenal

>>30105111
I have a yugo and it's absolutely beautiful. No complaints, other than the infamous yugo slap.

>>30110299
The Opap has a rpm buldged receiver, the NPAP has standard magazine dimples, the Wasr has no reinforcement, besides a rivet which really doesnt do much to strengthen the front of the receiver, it's cheap is all it is.

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>>30106158
>AMD brake is surprisingly good
I was actually pleasantly surprised by it.

>>30110290

>gun breaks when run over with truck


Oh no they must suck!


My glock broke when I put it in a blender, while my CZ was only scratched, Glocks suck confirmed.


Only retards would consider rob ski's abuse as normal usage and base a opinion on it, Wasr's are junk always have been, even more so now with those pencil barrels that melt.

>be yesterday
>talking to my friend, just finished working on his car
>show him the AMD-65 I just finished building
>he mentions he has an AK that needs some work, says there are parts missing
>he doesn't know much about it, he got the thing from a friend
>"lets czech it out"
>he brings it down
>all the wood is red, but beat to shit like I have never seen
>oh wait its milled
>Izhevsk stamp
>its a Type 3
>oh God its got the fun pin
>and no holes in the barrel
>notice the recoil spring is missing
>dust cover comes off
>FA sear is booger welded to hammer and trigger
>chamber is filled in with more shitty weld
>FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I was really excited for a few glorious seconds.

Get a VEPR while they are widely available, but avoid Saiga's.

>>30110426
What country?

>>30110316

I'd save up and get the Arsenal. The CHF barrel and side folding stock along with being an import make it more valuable.

Trade off is that the SLR-107FR is impossible to find right now outside of auction sites or classifieds so inspection of the rifle or rejection of a transfer for a bad rifle is an issue.

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Ok guys, why are the polish military ak magazines mae with plastic feedlips without metal reinforcement?!

Don't they know that they will break?

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>>30110236
Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I honestly can't find much in the way of a consistent enough test to either prove or disprove my belief.

>>30110261
No, I'm not, but you're likely to keep being a salty faggot. Also, I find it funny you say that I'd be debating the law of physics when 55gr M193 has been proven to penetrate Level III AR500, which stops 7.62x39 dead in its tracks.

>>30110285
Once again, I can't find anything to prove or disprove my belief.

>>30110636

>55g M193 has been proven to penetrate Level III AR500

erm..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfA3Qv9JjBA

>>30110756
Might want to take a look at the previous video where M193 sailed straight through the plate. Level III+ =/= Level III, hell, Level III+ as the video's author even says is not an NIJ term but instead is a marketing term.

Try again.

>>30110766
>>30110756

yeah 556 is a better penetrator.
But for SHTF where you encounter unarmoured combatants most of the time 7.62x39 is the better choice. Especially for larger game.

>>30110290
>Gun gets ran over
>WHAT IT BENT!?!?! THIS IS UNACCCEPTABLE

Yeah, guns aren't meant to be ran over, even if it is a "combat" scenario.

>>30110826

if you plan on shooting through armor at close range, yes 5.56 will pen easier.

but 7.62 will go through Tyrone, your drywall, and the hallway before stopping. 5.56 will fragment or destabilize way before then.

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>>30110826
The problem with that idea is that M43 is terrible at yawing and fragmenting in flesh targets, which is why 5.56 stops rather quickly in ballistics gel tests compared to 7.62x39. That being said, with this being my current argument, I can already feel the hole I've argued myself into in terms of penetration. Maybe I'm wrong about penetration on 7.62x39, but I know I'm not wrong about fragmentation and yawing for 5.56.

>>30110827

I think the issue is that other rifles have survived that same test. Yes, I agree it's unrealistic like the MAC VP9 debacle, but it's there.

>>30110867
>>30110872

yeah...you'll be good with 7.62x39 as good as 5.45 or 556....all these bullets will kill things dead.

For SHTF its better than carrying a sharpened stick.

>finally find a LGS that stocks 5.45
>It's silver bear at .35 cents a shot

welp

>>30107819
too bad, cos i like it

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>>30102490

>>30102961
Its only at 3,000 rounds nigger I thought o had missed out on a bunch of shit.

>>30110614

justregularguy said that pure plastic mags are shit.....just stick to you bakelit mags and be done with it.

This said....magpul mags never failed me once.

>>30109308
Not my proudest fap

>>30106438
>on a bad firing pin
Oh wow, so you're saying that it's an out of spec firing pin issue? Who woulda thunk!

>>30104099
Garbage tier

>>30109837

Get some new pictures you faggot.

>>30112718
Don't bother, he'll just get on you for
>hurr durr why don't YOU post some pics yourself no guns

echo93.com
It is the only site that sells pakitape ?
I live in Europe and I find no way to buy it

>>30112553

Nig what do you own?

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>>30109308

>tfw pee fetish

>>30108825
>>30109146
>this post is too old to be deleted
it was xanax

>>30112791
>actually wanting that shit on your rifle
You realize they only like that shit because they're mentally eleven yearolds on hashish, right?

>>30109308
Hot.

>>30112820
fuck you

>>30112831
Fuck you leatherhead!

>>30113234
>>30113244
ehhh

Why has no one made a bipod that attaches to the standard AK bayonet lugs/accessory lugs?

>>30110901
>not taking your custom built .338LM bolt action with you
its like you want to get close to people

>>30113351
cuz thats gay

I have the opportunity to buy a Zestava M70 AB2N for $500, is that a good deal /akg/?

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does anybody have any experience or knowledge about the bulgarian Arsenals (i DONT mean SLRs)?

Especially the SAR-M1 and AR-M1:
http://www.arsenal-bg.com/defense_police/5,56sar-m1.htm
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/AR-M1.html

>>30113754
not bad

>>30108761
fun fact
high velocity, light weight, small bore rifle rounds go through fewer layers of drywall than 9mm or .45
they fragment on the first few layers

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>>30113836

So by that you mean like 5.56 or 5.45?

I'd almost be willing to believe that for 5.56, but 5.45 still seems very much like a penetration-happy round.

>>30113836
Bad meme

I've shot through a 6x6 with XM193 and it soars right through it, exit hole almost as clean as the entry. What you're saying might be true with something like Hornady TAP or V-MAX but the umbrella statement that 5.56 an 5.45 will fragment in drywall is misleading.

hey VAfag do you think you could also get some makarov and vepr 12 mags?
>or other russian gun stuff

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What is /akg/ opinion on 5.56 AKs?


I already have an AR and an AK would be neat, but I'd like to stick to the 5.56 Round.


I also have a hard on for all things Polish, so what are their AKs regarded as?

>>30113934
Hi, i'm vafag's supplier. Vepr 12 mags i can get for sure, need to do some research on mak mags though.
What else would you be interested in?

>>30114421
5.56 aks are great, and polish aks are great and now mostly in 5.56
Looks like you're set

>>30113234
>>30113244
>"no communism" or what ever pin on AK

>>30114426
do they make 12 gauge steel drums? also plum furniture for 7.62x39 ak

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>>30113234
>>30113244

>>30113771
It's for mil only.

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>>30114729
Not him but
>do they make 12 gauge steel drums?
Not that I've seen.
There's the MaxRounds 20 round drum for Vepr 12s but it's very expensive (~$650) and the vaporware 25 round drum SGM has been trying to make.
Other than that the only drums for 12g are for Saigas (rock and lock) and won't work in a magwell fitted Vepr 12/Saiga.

>also plum furniture for 7.62x39 ak
Any plum furniture that will fit a 74 will fit an AKM (As long as it's for the same type of rear trunnion and receiver; folder or fixed, stamped or milled.)

>>30106133
GT doesn't have any flash really, plus it doesn't only reach a measly 2000fps from 16in barrels.
And he bullet type yaws like 545 pretty much.

>>30102534you never emailed me back..

>>30102534
i emailed you with an order, since i never got emailed back.

>>30111054
http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/monarch-full-metal-jacket-boat-tail-545-x-39-mm-60-grain-rifle-ammunition?repChildCatid=28633

Keep an eye on the site, price will often drop to 6.99 with free shipping over $25. Next best thing to buying 750 from sgammo.

>>30110564
I'm in the USA, it was a Russian gun. I was pretty sure he had no paperwork for it even if it wasn't a deact.

BTW is it legal to take down a deact and use the parts in another gun? How about if I were hypothetically to weld shut the third hole, could I legally use the receiver?

>>30115572
if its not full auto or cant be readily made full auto, youre in the clear man, just dont shoot anyone with it or cause anyone to have to inspect it, seeing as youre probably not within 922r.

>>30115572
Nope. According to the ATF once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

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>>30110901
Basically, yeah, though the original argument was about penetration in terms of home defense.

That being said, they'll all kill people so long as you hit them, but what matters is how easy ammo is to find, and you really can't argue that 5.56 is the easiest ammo to find in the US.

>>30112718
I've got more, I just don't feel like compressing them from 6mb down to a postable file size.

>>30112775
I assume you're the same anon who said I'd site MAC? You're pretty asshurt. Why don't you post your guns, noguns?

>>30114421
>Buying a 5.56 AK
It's like you don't want the best part of AK ownership: cheap, shitty ammo.

>>30115792
>I assume you're the same anon who said I'd site MAC? You're pretty asshurt. Why don't you post your guns, noguns?
Literally wut? Sorry, you son of a whore, that not all of us maintain identities while posting on an ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD.

>>30102534
still no reply....

you cant just do that man......

>>30115487
>>30115505
>>30115927
Sorry. I just saw the email now.
Payment for orders for 7.62 bakes won't be collected until we have prepared everything for the second order.

>>30116171
Forgot the trip

>>30115792
5.56 being common also means it's the first thing to fly off the shelf in the event of a panic buy or disaster event. It's commonality only benefits in The Road style jerkoff fantasies where everyone you see is an enemy that you kill and then scavenge for ammo. As far as that realm goes, 5.56's main advantage is that it's produced domestically and imports being cut off won't drastically affect availability. The only ammo you can count on is the ammo you already have.

>>30116225
In the case of a "no fun allowed" foreign ammo import ban, could you rebate a 5.45 AK to make it take 5.56?

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>>30115913
>No
>Guns
:^

>>30116225
>The only ammo you can count on is the ammo you already have.
I agree with this, but I'm more talking after-the-fact than loot and scavenge. Given how valuable bullets would be in any SHTF scenario, you can guarantee that 5.56 production will continue so long as companies that produce it can maintain capital for production. If shit ever fell to pieces, all that good shit that comes from overseas? What are the chances that you'll get anymore of that? Once the supply dries up, it dries up.

That being said, all of this shit is out in fantasy land, so arguing over what gun is the best to buy for SHTF is a bit daft in my opinion.

>>30116279
>not using a noice rare wildcat cartridge in shtf to avoid others trying to look you for ammo
>not using .338 Allen Mag
its like you want to get looted
:^)

>>30116279
>No
>Guns
>:^
>I-I'll call him a noguns, that'll make me right!

>>30116241
You "can" but it's a more complex.

>>30116311
>because people who want to kill and loot you are going to carefully examine your load out and change their mind over your caliber choice

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>>30116435
You don't seem to understand that I'm playing off your original, stupid statement.

>>30116311
>Not .338 Norma Magnum
What happens when you raid GE and find an LWMMG, faggot? Fucking amateur hour over here.

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>>30116679

Any one else here load up some AK mags and then realize you don't want them loaded and you're too lazy to take the rounds out one by one so you just take the floor plate off and let the guts spill out?

>>30117053
Why would you not want your mags loaded?

Took my Flandre built Bulgarian parts kit 74 out for its first shooting at the range.

6 Magazines of 7n6 later and everything forward of the front trunnion was hot enough to burn skin. Even the wood handguards were uncomfortably hot to hold.

I wasn't even firing it fast. I even fired other weapons in between magazines on my 74.

Will plum furniture remedy the heat problem?

The communists would have lost the war if it got hot. The slavic hordes would have not be able to hold their rifles.

>>30117053
recipe for tetanus

>>30117078
Grab the front of the magazine.

>>30117072
Because I can't decide if I want to keep decent ammunition in them, which then I'll never shoot, or shitty ammunition which I'll take the loaded mags to the range and then I'm back to square one.
>>30117083
Nah, I take off the floor plate and then just drop the thing on my bed or in a box or something :^)

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45 minutes after firing chinese corrosive ammo

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>load .223 in a 5.45x39 mag
>nothing happens
Welp

>>30117139
Name ammo ?

>>30117078
Whoa what a surprise, devices intended to control explosions to propel metal down a pipe get hot! Who knew?

>>30117078
>What are gloves

>>30117078

I hope you like chamber throat erosion :^

>>30117078
thats pretty normal perhaps you need gloves and heat shielded handguards

>>30117139

no fucking way. you live in Missouri or some other humid shithole?

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I want this but with a 16" barrel. Maybe even full SBR mode.

>>30118017
>unfolding stock
>real fucking NATO
>set up for launching grenades
It's like you hate your dominant shoulder.

>>30118037
*underfolding stock
wew

>>30118037

The underfolder stock doesn't bother me at all, although I suppose it could conceivably be different with 7.62x51.

>>30118124
>I suppose it could conceivably be different with 7.62x51.
Y' think?

>>30118154

I guess what i'm saying is I don't know if it would be any more or less unpleasant than with a normal stock in the same chambering.

>>30110636
>all materials behave like AR500 steel
Steel is an oddity in that velocity kills it, you can burn through steel plates with varmint rounds. This is not at all related to performance in drywall, other common building materials, or even flesh.

>>30117807
chrome barrel from green mountain

>>30117693
My ar15 with a troy alpha doesn't get hot like this 74 does.

>>30118758
That's because it's an AR and not an AK

>>30118758
>m-muh AR

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>>30118370
I understand it isn't, I'm merely pointing out that I don't need to argue with the laws of physics because M193 already did that for me and won. It's an example whether you like it or not, and you can't reduce it down to "w-well this doesn't fit my unstated requirements, therefore it doesn't count."

That being said, if you've got a video of 5.56 vs 7.62 drywall penetration I'd be more than happy to watch it and find out which stops faster.

>>30118758
That's probably because the Troy Alpha handguard has a much greater distance from the barrel than an AK handguard. Your AR likely also has a thicker barrel than your AK74, which means heat dissipation is better. AKs have always been noted for having issues with heating up, but it's nothing that can't be fixed by a good pair of gloves or holding the gun by the mag or by a foregrip. It's not pleasant, but since when was the AK ever designed with user comfort in mind?

>keep your ras-47
>keep your face
>choose one

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266091

Seriously,that heap is gonna get someone killed.

>>30116679
>using norma mag
>over all the other, more powerful .338 mags

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>>30120634
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