Does anyone else feel like this would be an awkward knife to

>>30021849
yeah you'd basically be a huge faggot

>>30021849
I collect cool military surplus. I've got an old USN ka-bar from the 70's. I wouldn't go out of my way to get a modern one though.

I'd like them more if they had a full tang.

That pic triggers my autism.

>>30021849
Meh, they are iconic not just to Marines but to the entire knife industry

A lot of soldiers other than marines have carried them in the US and world wide too, I wouldn't put too much thought into it, if you like it get it

>unworthy to own a stick tang utility knife.
Not my cup of tea, but i don't feel shit for owning a glock 78.

once upon a time if you own a semi large fixed blade knife, it was likely either a more traditional bowie or a KA-BAR.

it's just steel.

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>>30021849
shitty rat tail tang toothpick

>>30021849
it would be awkward to own, because there are a bajillion better knives you could own instead.

>>30021849
Ur a faggot
>>30022136
Why would you need more than this for the purposes the Kabar was designed? I'm intrigued.

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My dad served in the CAF and he has one of those USMC KA-BAR's. They are just cool, sturdy, military-grade knives. It's just a piece of leather and metal. An inanimate object. I'm sure you won't care after you buy one.

>>30022170
good point. literally never buy a kabar because fighting knives are hilariously unnecessary in every situation imaginable

I'm in the Army and have a USMC marked KaBar. Goes everywhere with me

>>30021849
New ones are ~$90-$100 no USMC stamp and can have serration. Good innawoods knife.

>>30021849
I would feel awkward buying a knife literally made to flea market standards

They are used in all branches of the military but the marines really like them a lot.

No worries about normal humans having them. Marines will wonder why anyone has any other kind of knife. They will be happy that you are smart enough to get the proper kind of knife. I was chopping branches at the shooting range today with mine.

>>30024510
implying anyone gives a flying fuck what a marine thinks of them. hey big man, you dont have an axe in your truck? chopping branches with a knife is about the most petulant fucking thing you can do over the age 18

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>>30024620
>implying anyone gives a flying fuck what a marine thinks of them.
That was what this thread was about. How it might be out of place to use military tools when one never served in the military.

>hey big man, you don't have an axe in your truck?
No, I actually don't carry one in the pickup.

>chopping branches with a knife is about the most petulant fucking thing you can do over the age 18
I usually trim branches where I shoot with my 12 ga shotgun but I did not have it with me today.

BTW - To get the leather handle just right rub it with 100 grit sandpaper to cut through the wax and then boil the handle in boiling water for 5 minutes. Then the handle will have the best gripe of any knife ever! Also the hard plastic sheath is super nice!! Far better than the leather.

And if you really need it to kill people with. Mike tells you how.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kwyCs4gFgI

I got an actual USMC surplus Kabar (Ontario made) last year for $20 when uncle sams had them on sale. Knife is built like a shit brick house. I used it last weekend to chop some branches up for kindling when i forgot my hatchet.

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>>30024510
>I was chopping branches at the shooting range today with mine.

Cringe/10

>>30021849

I own a USMC officer's cavalry saber. Never served and I don't feel awkward at all. You'll be fine, OP.

>>30021849
It's just a knife.

Do you feel unworthy of owning a washing machine because you didn't invent it too?

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>>30021849
so get a regular Ka-Bar

>>30024620
>you dont have an axe in your truck?

Trims branches with an axe..... You had better get with the program there private!

>I usually trim branches where I shoot with my 12 ga shotgun

>>30024620 you could learn a lot from >>30024942

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlNwaMX-QBU

>>30024942
i actually dont have an axe or a truck

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>>30025256
I find the pesky handle clip strap really annoying on the hard sheath since the hard sheath holds the knife very well without it. But you can very easily just clip it backwards back around the strap and then it is out of the way forever without having to cut it off.

This knife also has the boiled handle but the picture cannot tell you how wonderful it feels to the hand. Sort of like rough sand paper but the leather gives enough to make it very comfortable with a super solid grip.

Good for if "things are a bloody bloody mess" as Mike would say.

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>>30021849
If it is odd for you go get a non kabar brand kabar. Ontario 498. Just picked one up from eBay for about 25 total. No USMC on it if you don't want to look at it. They are workhorse knives and last fucking forever.

>>30021868
Well, of course OP is a faggot.

>>30023149
>>30023194
>>30024510
>>30024942
>>30024991
>>30025751
OP here, thanks guys, I decided to get the USMC knife.

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>>30021849

How many military guys carry something like this even though they aren't WW2 hard ass british commandos? Get over yourself no one will care.

>>30024991
Are you talking about the Nameluke sword? Why?

>>30026122
Hijacking this thread:
So I've recently developed a hankering for a "commando dagger" style knife, just because.

Which one's the best? Fairbairn-Skyes? V-42? Gerber Mk.II? What other options are there?

Secondly, does anyone still use these things? Or have they been supplanted by other fighting knife styles and types?

hate the kabar.
my esee 3 was way more usefull when i was deployed.

>>30026284
>Secondly, does anyone still use these things? Or have they been supplanted by other fighting knife styles and types?

They're still the best for outright killing people which is why they're so mythical just like a sword - no other use than kiling humans. But they are not nearly as practical as the kabar because the blade is rather slim and can't be used for regular knife tasks.

>>30026284
microtech jagdkommando

*tips fedora*

>>30026323

That is one evil knife

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>>30026284
hunter here.
i use an eickhorn KM5000 for killing game.
effective blade.
its part of the KM series which were developed for military use in germany.
the standard fighting knife for the german army ist the KM2000

>>30026308
>my esee 3 was way more usefull when i was deployed.

How many people did you kill with it? Blade seems too short to be effective for a true combat killing knife like the KA-BAR. Might be good for opening MREs. Probably far more useful as a general utility knife. But I use my KA-BAR to open mail and packages from Amazon ;)

>>30026323
>microtech jagdkommando
Way over priced... Shoulda bought a nice gun...

>>30026383
Looks nice but I always worry about handles... Imagine if the handle were covered with thick grease. That is just about the mess you have to deal with in real combat. Grip is super important even if covered with blood, grease, and guts. If you cant hold onto it then it is worthless.

>>30026446
>Grip is super important even if covered with blood, grease, and guts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifv9ZNMw9Os

>>30026284
The Applegate fairbairn from boker is the best

>>30026284

Keep in mind desu that in most states blades like >>30026122 are straight up illegal as hell because they are seen as "fighting/killing" weapons.

>>30026492

Big problem. This knife seems too short to pierce the heart and major arteries... Also they do not do break tests.

Quality is actually a measure of reproducibility even if the product itself is a total POS.
Glass fiber can fail catastrophically.
Glass fiber sheaths can easily dull the blade.

I really like how much they thought about knife retention.

You probably won't need to evar worry about sharpening a combat knife :D Maybe bending the blade back out to semi straight.

>>30026383
for killing game? you go knife hunting?

>>30026896
maybe he meant dressing it, or putting it out if its in shock but not dead

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>>30021849
>stick tang

Thanks for replys, guys

>>30026315
Makes since. I wonder if any throatslitters/secret squirrel shit still use them.

>>30026323
ah, le memery
>wounds can't be closed
>1 ebil nife

>>30026383
Nice, I'll look at this one. I'm not at all familiar with this maker.

>>30026584
I'll check it out. A collaboration between Applegate and Fairbairn sounds utterly glorious, but also terrifying. Would've loved to have been a fly on the wall in that room...

>>30026647
Heard that.

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>>30027000
That's that I thought. Finishing off wounded game.

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>>30026584
>The Applegate fairbairn from boker is the best
Idk looks like it might feel weird to hold

>>30027427
Looks uncomfortable. Try to go with the original fb sykes

>>30027427
That's a weird variation, the original with the black plastic handle is the best

The knife was designed to get rid of the deficiencies of the f/s knife, including a more positive grip and sturdier blade especially at the tip

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>>30027427
>>30027455
>>30027480
>>30026584
More like this?

>>30027525
That's the one, the metal plates are there so you can adjust the balance of the blade, some people like it blade heavy some like it to sit in the hand

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>>30026284

Useless for anything except stabbin hobos and looking cool.

I suppose if I could only keep one I would keep the Gerber, for no other reason than I like how it looks.

I'll pick up a v42 if i run across one.

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>>30027615

mid 80's era Ek Warrior

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>>30027480
>>30027525

Boker side by side with a Gerber folder for comparison.

>>30021849
Get a mora instead

>>30021849
If you want one and it does what you need, buy it.

If it bothers anybody, just say fuck em.

>>30021849
Kabars were not exclusive to the USMC anon, they are simply unwarrantedly famous for being a USMC trademark. They're shitty knives for gear queers.

>>30022170
>Why would you need more than this for the purposes the Kabar was designed? I'm intrigued.

A better question is why would you buy a shitty knife when there are oh so many better alternatives.

>>30028515
Like what anon?

>>30028582
Like anything with a full tang.

>>30021849
Mine says US Army on it even though I was never in the army

I was a Marine but I can't part with it, too much sentiment :(((

>>30028784
Kabars have a full tang

>>30029444

Stick tang.

>>30029444
rat-tail tang

>>30021849
I was going to buy a swiss army knife but then i remembered that I'd never been in the swiss army so I didn't. No wait that'd be autistic

>>30029444
You gots trips!!!!

So you get to see Mike's secret KA-BAR vid! ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg14Kp1NgTE

>>30021849
Im a Marine. I dont give a fuck what you buy. Arny used them to back in the day, Aussies as well in WW2. A knifes a knife.

>>30029679
Cavemen used clubs back in the day. Doesn't exactly make them cutting edge.
Get with the times.

>>30029688
WTF are you even talking about? Its a knife, whats the alternative? Light sabers. Ill take one if your selling otherwise fuck off fag.

>>30029698
There are good knives, and bad knives.

Quality is one thing, as is blade geometry, and ergonomics. Advocating the use of a knife because it was used long ago, when there are much better options available is just silly.

>>30029751
idk its not like hes likely to use it for more then box opening anyway. if he likes it, then i say get it. hell most people would be fine with just a box cutter at home or a leatherman. thats not the point tho.

>>30026896
there a some hunting situations you cant use a gun in a safe way.
for example when your dogs are holding on to a boar or the gunshot could endanger bystanders.

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>>30029679
>A knifes a knife.

Look at this plebe

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>>30027035
eickhorn (i think thats german for squirrel) makes some high quality but pricey blades.
like the Lennartz series (GEK 2000, GEK EDC, GBK, GTK), military fighting knives for the german army (KM2000, KM3000), knives for german police, firefighters and special forces (SEK, PRT..)

i used a GEK 2000 as my large primary workhorse knife for years. best blade i ever owned. to bad someone stole it from me last summer. but i am going to buy one again, since i dont like the 1095 on the bk and esee 6.
i am not quite sure which one to get, since they have some improved versions witn different steel and and handle scales.

>>30030579
nice sanrenmu

>>30030752
why would you want a knife that you need to hammer into shit? I'd rather have one that cuts without external assistance.

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best knife is still best regardless of you or your supposed training.

>>30026122
Got an indonesian special forces edition (kopassus) for 20 bucks, im indonesian tho thats why its so cheap. Very cool and VERY useless

>>30030771
it cuts like a charm, excellent steel and quality, but its also infamous for the abuse it can take without damage.
in the webm they are cutting through a car door with an old version of the gek and a hammer.

>>30030804

indestructible knives are a meme - i'd stick with something that has great ergonomics and proper blade geometry, not this tacticool saber grind shit.

>>30030951
nothing tacticool about a GEK 2000. it was designed by mr lennartz (a guy who knows his shit) as his personal work knife. a few friends pushed him to show his design to some knife making companies.
http://www.anton-lennartz.com/mein-messer/

>>30021849
I don't own one, not a huge fan of them, but if you want one, fuck it, it's just a knife. Feeling awkward about owning one because it says USMC and you're not a Marine is like feeling awkward about owning a Mosin even though you never fought in Stalingrad

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still dont get why the us army uses that kabar shit instead of cold steel quality.

>>30031101

because CS is the very definition of overpriced. And if you're going to issue equipment to expendable troops, you want the equipment to be expendable as well.

>>30031101
The army doesn't want the tank armour cutting power of ancestral jap blades in the hands of the average grunt.

>>30031118
there is nothing expendable about a soldiers life.
if we cant afford the superior quality of cold steel knives, we cant afford sending our troops abroad.

cold steel isnt overpriced at all, look at the quality, look at their proof videos.
also a tanto blade is way more effektive than that kabar clip fucktard.
it was developed by japanese blacksmiths for the purpose of penetrating enemies.

>>30031138
why not. it has been proven by cold steel that tanto blades are the superior style of combat knifes.

>>30031154
This is how you troll kids. 10/10

>>30030781
Why useless senpai?

>>30031162
>evidence required

>>30026446

Buddy, you're never going to be fighting off the enemy with a knife covered in blood or guts.

>>30031154

cold steel is underpowered in D&D.txt

solid, 7/10 bait.

>>30021968
this

nobody's going to see you carrying it in the woods anyway

if you really feel weird about it then get something from the becker line

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>>30024510
>I was chopping branches at the shooting range today with mine.

>>30029640
Yes, a full stick tang, they are full tang

>>30029664
Stick, not rat tail

>>30031688
>Yes, a full stick tang, they are full tang

how the fuck did you get so wrong?

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>>30021849

Its a knife, not a uniform or medals.

I can understand why you wouldn't want someone mistaking you for a marine though.

>>30031759
There are two categories of tangs, full or partial, and they both indicate the length of the tang, the shapes of tangs like stick tangs fall into subcategories

>>30031808

a full tang is a tang that goes the full width, as well as full length of the handle.

>>30021849
You can get them without USMC on it.

That implies that every marine is some sort of paragon of masculinity and hero to the world, and as long as that keep raping Okinawans we can reasonably infer those assumptions are untrue. Take the military little less seriously dude. It seems their advertising is effecting your head.

>>30031870
Incorrect, that is a full profile tang which is a subtype of full tang, sometimes referred to as slab handled or full width among others

Full tangs run the full length of the handle, partial tangs run partway through the handle. There are types from both categories that are visible from the top and bottom of the handle

>>30031994
>ITT: kabar autists pretending the kabar is full tang.

>>30032101
>damage control

I'm sorry you only have your YouTube knowledge to go off of but you are wrong

>>30032101
>I have no idea what a full tang is

You know that little piece of metal you can see at the base? That has a pin through it?

What the shit do you think that is?

>>30032131
tang is colloquial language, and by merit of popular use, you are actually wrong. if a knife maker gets a request for full tang, there is only 1 meaning

>>30032139
>there is only one meaning

Yup, that the tang will run the full length of the handle

>>30032131

no, you are wrong. A stick tang is not a full tang, period. Keep being wrong if you like. Everyone who actually knows the first thing about knives knows this.

It's just kabar autists defending "muh combat tested knife" pretending this is full tang, to make themselves feel less bad about having a shitty piece of crap that will break if you put it through any kind of stressful task.

Granted, the modern ones are not as shitty as thw WWII surplus, but they're still nowhere near a real full tang knife.


And yes - before you ask, I am aware that the scandinavians have been using stick tang knives for centuries without issues, and so have the gurkhas, and medieval knights etc.

This only goes to prove the kabar is top-tier autism.

>>30032160
thats a stick tang

>>30032160

no. That the tang is the full SIZE of the handle. Hell, even something like the helle temagami isn't technically full tang (though it's close).

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I was never in the service but they sure have some nice looking stock equipment . Looks good on my rifle also .

>>30032172
>calls something autism
>writes a whole novel on why he hates a specific knife

>>30032175
It couple be but some stick tangs are only partial tangs

>>30032172
Nope, you are by definition wrong, you just want to justify your ignorance of tang types

>>30032160
hey - here's an idea. Become a knifemaker, and when someone requests a "full tang knife", give them a stick tang, see if you get paid. (maybe if they're more retarded than you and actually believe your "explanation").

>>30026647
>because they are seen as "fighting/killing" weapons.

I mean I'm not one for alarmist bullshit and "oooo scary!" soccer mom shit but the FS is literally called "fighting knife" by the people that designed it literally for that purpose.

I mean maybe you could use it to cut some cheese but that knife was intentionally, carefully, and purposefully designed for optimal effectiveness when it comes to shanking dudes from other countries in the middle of the night.

>>30025256
>>30025045
What is it that makes KaBars so popular?
I've never held one.

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>>30032201
Used in WW2 onwards
They're also pretty decent knives. Not bad but not amazing.

>>30032192
>Nope, you are by definition wrong, you just want to justify your ignorance of tang types

you may want to expand YOUR knowledge beyond the single wikipedia article (which is obviously wrong).

>>30032212
Okay autism boy
Go write another like 15 paragraphs on why you don't like something lmao

>>30030776
holy shit that seras victoria. she can suck my blood anytime

>>30032237

cry more, uneducated scrub. Keep pretending your precious marine dick substitute is a good knife. When you're ready to get something decent, there are plenty of options that don't involve government issue garbage.

>>30032186
The esee are slab handle knives, they have a FULL PROFILE TANG, a tang that makes the full profile of a knifes handle and can be seen on the sides

The helle temagami is a full tang and an interesting type at that, it was at one time fairly common but now its the only example that I know of on the market, the company themselves misidentifies it because, I assume, English isn't there first language and they don't know the proper term.

Can you impress me by naming the tang style?

Oh, fallkniven are also full tang knives too, even though you can't see the edges of it

>>30032272
Tism

>>30032212
Why did the term full tang exist long before ignorant youtubers started with the "hurr durr full tang only means this and this doesn't have any name but full tang" shit?

The original specs for the knife call for a full tang knife

>>30032277

man, that's a lot of wishful thinking.

"s-s-seriously g-g-guys, the kabar is full tang, I swear"

Hint - when survival experts talk about "full tang", they mean full tang, not some weird technicality like "full length stick tang".

Fallkniven (and sog seal pup, and others) are sometimes refered to as "exposed tang", which is just silly. I'd go as far as to consider those full tang knives, since their tang is (almost) full width of the blade, and wether it's actually exposed to the elements or not is just semantics.

Most good (emphasis on good) kukris have stick tangs, though you can find decent, full tang ones (usually tapered tang, like the mark 3 or m43 repros), but I dislike those, since it screws up the balance.

>>30032307
>Why did the term full tang exist long before ignorant youtubers
>Mors, Ray, and Dave - now ignorant youtubers

'mkay

>>30032355
That's a lot of mental gymnastics to disregard facts

>survival experts

Are not knife experts and they don't need to overburden knife noobs with all the minute details of the various types of tangs and entomology of knives so they oversimplify it when they are giving adive to inexperienced people about the first knife they will buy

It doesn't matter what you would go so far as to consider full tang, they either are or they aren't

What type of tang does the helle temagami have?

>>30032378
They are speaking to the lowest common denominator about picking a knife, they aren't educating you in the finer aspects of knife terminology

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>>30032412
>>30032378
>>30032355
>>30032307
>>30032277
>>30032272
>>30032237
>>30032212
>

>>30032412

no, there's a metric fuckton of mental gymnastics to play pretend that stick tang is full tang.

>>30032446
the "finer aspects" are what they are. A stick tang, albeit full length, is not a "full" tang.

>>30032196
its a bayonet and trench knife. both concepts massively outdated. the kabar by modern definitions is obsoleted for more reasons than its tang. i mean, its made of steel, and has an edge. those 2 things will satisfy 99% of your uses for a knife, but otherwise, there are many better considerations

>>30032378
moras are exempt from the tang argument. moras are responsibly built, kabar and 499/egress knives are irresponsibly built for their design

>>30033000
It is by definition

You just want to reclassify fullmprofile tangs to be the only full tang because your tinny brain can't handle more knowledge than dipshit youtubers can provide

>>30033000
And if you are such an expert on which tangs are which, what is the helle temagami tang? What would Mora tangs be?

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>>30030781
That knife looks dope as fuck. Shame I can't get it for less than $200 here in the states

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>>30033201

temagami is for all intents and purposes a full tang.

Most moras are rat tails (stand by for picture), 'cept the gaberg.

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>>30033201

mora, and the rat tail tang.

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>>30033201

this, on the other hand, is not a full tang, even if it goes all the way through the handle - that's a stick tang.

>>30033386
Rod tang, just like a f/s knife

>>30033362
And that would be a 3/4 tang or push tang if it were in an antler

Rat tail tangs are usually a stub tang with a threaded rod for a pommel brazed on, it actually looks like a rats ass with a tail. Sometimes they are made from one piece with the end being threaded after

>>30033350
The temagami is a mortised tang knife

There are more than just a couple tang types, that's why internet people usually find it easier to lump tangs into two types, the types that aren't designed to constantly baton and pry and full tangs which is a knife with a tang that is exposed all the way around

Or a lot of the time they are probably don't know any of the other types of tangs and are just parroting a basic summary of knives that they saw online

>>30029670
>sticking a ka-bar up someone's asshole
Better by this then and put it on the blade.
http://www.amazon.com/PHARMEX-1-78G-Permanent-Paper-RECTAL/dp/B00U2H451G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463952583&sr=8-1&keywords=rectal+use+only

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>>30024978
People like you make me wonder if there really are greasy weeb faggots going around nit-picking every non-sperg action people do.

>>30032172
>An object is autism because I get bootyrash every time I see one
>I'm not autistic

>>30031174
Too long for carry (even for camping, uncomfy) and needs lots of resharpening after use

>>30034430
>I'm not autistic

yes, you are

>>30021849

Sensing the lack of OORAH in your body, the handle will sear your flesh upon attempting to hold it.

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>>30033786

Okay autismo :^)