Russo-Swedish War

>>30008997
Sweden.

Russia can't supply a land force on their immediate border after months of prep time, let alone an overseas operation like would be needed for cuckland.

finnish war 2.0

Aren't they a target for nukes in case of a shitstorm starting in the Baltics?

Sweden does not have a snowballs chance in hell against russia.

The standing army is tiny, the gear is old or not repaired, the navy is tiny, the airforce is tiny, the homeguard is filled with fat fucks, the standing army have almost no experience in actual combat beyond a couple that went to afghanistan.

The swedish army/navy/airforce have been had budget cuts since the end of the cold war.

No, unless finland takes the brunt and we get help from EU / Nato we do not have a chance.

>>30008997
Sweden: by the time Russkis get to Sweden their supply lines are fucked up & their strength has been significantly weakened by Finns, Finland might be in a very bad shape afterwards, but Sweden would probably be a bro and help paying for the recovery as a thanks for weakening the russki to the point where the three guys or so that make up the Swedish Army can manage to deal with them...

russians, couse swedes are gay

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>>30009076
what if Finland doesnt get involved
what if Finland tired of being a shield for the swede
what if Finland think that this is retribution for what swedes done in past

WHAT IF SWEDEN FIGHT THEIR OWN WARS FOR ONCE

>>30009076

What makes you think Finland would want to help Sweden?

>>30009030
not the same landscape, also red army was young and didnt participated in much prior to finnish war, nowdays russias would just dump some chechenian spetsnaz over stockholm and put an end to faggotry that goes on there in no time

>>30009102

What is this even from.

>>30008997
In an all out battle the Russians would obviously drown the small standing Swedish forces. But realistically that would never happen since NATO would not sit and watch as the Russians crossed Finland or the baltic sea.

>>30009096
t. Fat american

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>>30009122
got it from /int/ along time ago
>pic related, the original

>>30009102
>>30009106
if Russki wants to go to Sweden, they'd pretty much have to go through Finland, and letting them to just pass through would be a dickish move, and it's not like we have a lack people who would willingly fuck things up for the Russians anyway even if our government did allow them to pass through...

>>30009119

finnish war != winter war

>>30009136
>triggered eurotrash
>posting on /k/

I doubt that poster is even from the US lmao

>>30009122
in sweden it is a known image and is believed to be made in pakistan, at the time of the bofors scandal in india (google it)

this is, however, false. it was made by players of the internet game NationStates, where for a long time Sweden and Pakistan were the main superpowers in-game

note the pakistani flag on the arm, revealing the swede

lol

>>30008997

Swedish military and military leadership disappears in the opening salvo, after wich the cuntflaps at rosenbad bends over to be fucked.

I still own the old phonebook, and I still remember the law as it was before the ultracucks took over.

"Any message to stop fighting a foreign army is enemy propaganda"
and you were by law required to fight invaders to the bitter end. Anyone saying that fighting is "disruptive to us only wanting to live our lives" is a collaborator and guilty of treason or desertion, and as such their difficulties are of no value.

That said, we'd be superdead and coming generations would speak russian because this place has forgotten what backbone even means.

>>30008997
>Be at frontline
>Somehow slavs stomped the fins
>Waiting in trench for slavs to come over hill
>Suddenly hear sound
>Sound gets louder every second
>Suddenly thousand of slavs pop up
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>All nacked widdling with their glorious slavwiener
>We get ready for gay butt sex
>No problem cause swede

>>30009260
sadly this is true

>>30009293

XX years later, a certain imageboard:
"it was a victory, we won the dick"

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>>30008997
air drop pork on them with tu 95s until they surrender

Sweden proclaims Jihad

>>30008997
Russia wins a quick victory over the Swedish military forces only to suffer a decades long guerrilla war with the Islamic State of Sweden which ultimately forces them to withdraw, leaving the country under Sharia law.

>>30008997
it would be their second Vietnam

>>30009061
russian army is, besides some elite forces, filled with vodka addicted slavs, has high suicide rates, can't even operate a large part of their rusting tanks and is not used to warfare.
They had trouble with georgia, they got their shit kicked in even against disorganized ukrainians without support and only did gain territory because they could fire from russian territory without ukraine beeing able to fire back (unless they want a full scale war).
They even have like 100 hundred training hours for aircrafts when nato countries use over 1000 training hours.

The reason a country like the usa can fuck up shit is not just numbers. If you are fighting every few years in larger conflicts you know how shit works.

[spoiler]That said, every argument is useless because in the end russia has nukes and that means it will a) win or b) make everyone lose[/spoiler]

>>30009562

nice memes

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>>30009562
>russian army is filled with vodka addicted slavs
if you doubt the fighting capabilities of vodka addicted slavs supplied with weaponry, look at how much of ukraine now belongs to them

>>30009562
>had trouble with georgia
>kicked their shit in with what was essentially a backwater reserve group with no communications equipment

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Russia would win by just overextending Swedish Armed Forces. By deploying multiple brigades through air and sea Swedish forces couldn't react to every threat efficiently. Sweden could fight better if Russians are forced to not go through lapland which allows majority of Swedish forces to be deployed between Malmo-Gotland-Stockholm better.

In nutshell in scenario in which it is pure Russia-Sweden slugfest Russia would win, but IRL Russia would have much more problems and would require quick decisive win against Swedes and Sweden capitulate to become winners of the war.

Then there is of course Finland, but that is another scenario.

HAHAHAHA

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How is this even a comparison.

Russia is the largest nation in the world, with at least 140 million inhabitants and vast natural resources and combat experience from the last 50 years.

Sweden is a compareatively small northern nation with some resources and only 9.9 million inhabitants, and has been at peace for 200 years.

It's not even a contest.

>>30009675
>if you doubt the fighting capabilities of vodka addicted slavs supplied with weaponry, look at how much of ukraine now belongs to them
Oh theres no doubt left in this case, their fighting force is worth as much as ruble

>>30008997
Sweden, even if you ignore NATO it still triggers EU defense and the EU can defeat Russia

>>30009850
The EU would do little. The USA on the other hand would intervene covertly along with Norway Demark The UK and France. So basically the most important parts of NATO would be fucking Russia in the ASS with naval(subs) and air(F-22) support along with whatever Sweden needed in supplies. Never mind that Sweden has a better quality air force than Russia F-22 support along with electronic support from France and the UK would basically mean air supremacy over the area. Not that the US cares about Sweden but Norway is the sixth eye dumbass.

Immediately at start
>VDV seizes Gotland
>VVS strikes as many Swedish navy ships/subs in port as possible

Over next few days
>VVS wears down Swedish Air Force
>S400 deployed on Gotland helps
>Baltic Fleet hunts Swedish subs

After a week or 2
>Russians deploy VDV & Naval Infantry to gain beachhead south of Stockholm
>open air bridge

Swedes would make the Russians pay at sea with coastal missile batteries & Stockholm would be very hard to take because it's in the middle of a vast archipelago of rugged islands with many fjords, they'd have to cross a lot of water many times. But they could definitely get ashore in force, and I think Swedes would surrender after that.

Main problem is, Baltic Fleet doesn't have enough amphibious landing ships to do it with organic assets so Sweden would be tipped off by redeployment from Black Sea Fleet

I dunno if Russia can win, occupying an Islamic country didn't do them any favors in Afghanistan.

Better match would be finlands vs russia

Pro tip: fins raped russia last time

>>29999999

>>30010069
Also forgot to say
>Iskanders hitting Swedish airfields & HQs on Day; continuous SSM bombardment on Swedes throughout conflict
>Deploy mobile ASM batteries on Gotland after occupation to keep Swedes bottled up in port or in North Sea

>>30009782

>>Russia is the largest nation in the world, with at least 140 million inhabitants and vast natural resources and combat experience from the last 50 years.

...with GDP size of Netherlands (or 1.5 times GDP or Sweden) and likely to run out of funds by end of this year, unless price of crude oil starts climbing and/or trade embargo gets lifted.

As things are Russian economy would not suffice a war of any real size without collapsing.

>>30010334

Fighting us would only require five Iskanders before the cunts in charge give up though.

>>30009229
>in Sweden it's a known image
I had never seen it before i saw it on /k/ like 3 months ago

>>30008997
Sweden gets rekt, military occupation becomes a PITA since muslims from all world flock into Swedistan to fight the Lesser Satan.

>>30010344

With nuclear warheads? At which point wind in turns to east and half from European part of Russia gets fallout on it. At the same time the fallout would drop on Baltic state (-> NATO joins war), or fallout goes west to Norway (-> NATO joins war) or it goes south on Denmark and Germany (-> NATO joins war). Not to mention good old US security guarantees to Sweden (-> US joins war regardless if NATO joins or not)... At the same time Russia would guarantee itself a status as a Pariah state hated and despised everywhere.

If there is anything to learn from military history, that is that wars have tendency to escalate in unpredictable manner - except in this case the chain of events for escalation would not be even unpredictable.

>>30010469

No, nothing nuclear needed.
You severely underestimate the lack of resolve in swedish political leadership, as well as the vulnerability of the military leadership.

>>30010334
>and likely to run out of funds by end of this year

Nice grasp of economy, famalam.

>>30010572

Just keeping track on news:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/27/russias-reserve-fund-could-run-empty-in-2016.html

>>30008997
Sweden would kick Russia's ass for about 6-7 hours until they Run out of smart munitions and people who have the balls to fight (.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of the population)

Hollow victory for Russia.

Russia has the massive advantage of a large number of cruise missiles and tactical ballistic missiles. Without a larger war with NATO going on Russia is able to expend large numbers of these weapons and destroy sizeable portions of Sweden's defense infrastructure before the real fighting begins.
After that the numerical superiority of the Russian forces ensures an eventual Russian victory in the field.

However, the diplomatic and economic repercussions of such an act - closing the European energy market to Russian business, seizing overseas assets, closing financial markets to Russia etc - would make in unprofitable in the extreme.

>Shved damage control ITT
http://cphpost.dk/news/international/danish-f-16s-confronted-russian-fighter-jets-approaching-sweden.html

>>30009229
>in sweden it is a known image

No it's not, it was created for NationStates.

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>>30008997
Just light the beacons and Khanate will come to help brethen.

>>30011889
"artillery murders & infantry rapes the corpses"
-a Khanate proverb

>>30008997
Sweden takes over Moscow with pink homosexual soldiers in a day.

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>>30008997
Sweden is already welcoming liberators left and right, I don't get it.

A more fun discussion would be Sweden vs Denmark.

>>30009733

in 5 days

>>30009562
>they could fire from russian territory without ukraine beeing able to fire back (unless they want a full scale war)

>I can shoot you but you're not allowed to shoot back!

retarded.

>>30009562
memetic Russia is way, way better than memetic Sweden. You don't wanna go there.

>>30011585
>closing the European energy market to Russian business, seizing overseas assets, closing financial markets to Russia etc
Not happens if Sweden strikes first.

>>30008997

The US.

>>30013967
With crazy Chechens, Ingush and a single VDV battalion backing them up.

>>30009260
Sweden can't by law surrender as all opposition must continue as long as their are males of fighting age.
Just because most people have forgotten it doesn't mean it stopped applying.

>>30009562
Anon, Swedish have replaced their bayonets with black dildos these days, in this scenario Russians will simply roll over by using some of their cold-war era invasion plans which included amphibious operations on Baltics. Assuming they didn't throw out all of their equipment that is.

>>30009733
In the opening bombardment they destroyed a shit ton of Ukrainian equipment but in actual combat the losses where about the same on both sides.

>>30010334
>running out of funds during a war

it's not how it works.

the government issues war bonds and pays for shit in bills rather than in real money, it happened before in many places, wartime bankruptcies were always rare, if they happened it was right after the war ended.


The only reason why ANYBODY and I mean ANYBODY treats Russia seriously is that they have huge armament industry that CAN'T go full speed during peace due to lacking funds to do so but during war it's irrelevant the industry will roll no matter what.

Russia have no capability to ferry troops across the Baltic sea in the amount it would take.

The good part if the attacked would be that the shitskins would flee, then when peace was settled we would close our borders and be a white nation again.

>>30017479
>Russia have no capability to ferry troops across the Baltic sea in the amount it would take.
see >>30017370
USSR plans for conventional war with NATO was to lure them into Oder/Vistula river lines and cut them off via massive amphibious assault in Pomeranian coast.

The only "blockade" on the road to do so was Gotland, since it was seen as good location for anti-ship missile launch sites, batteries etc. The reason why Swedish airspace is one of the more violated in the world(along with Greek airspace) both during Cold War and nowadays is because they're constantly screening the coastline and Gotland to spot those.

Now I'm not certain whether they've kept their amphibious vessels(they've had massive hydrofoil fleet to make the plans I'm talking about real), but if they did they have all the means to land on the Swedish coastline they could possibly need.

>>30010334
Are you genuinely retarded? Low GDP nominated by USD only affect a country with huge foreign imports and huge foreign debts. Russia has neither.

An ability to sustain prolonged war effort is determined by two measures. The amount of natural resources and industiral capacity for mass production. And guess what, the only country in NATO with comparable resources and considerable production input is the US, the alliance will be obliterated without American involvement. There are two European nations that can realistically survive more than a month in conventional war against Russia, and Sweden isn't one of them.

>>30017799
>There are two European nations that can realistically survive more than a month in conventional war against Russia
UK and France?

>>30017810
Yes.

>>30009562

I won't deny that Russia's military is a giant clusterfuck only halfway respected because they have nuclear capabilities but there's no way Sweden would be able to take them. Sweden has all but disarmed itself. It'd be much like the cold war, a clusterfuck of epic proportions that would fuck Sweden for decades. Granted Russia would probably lose thousands of soldiers to their own incompetence but since when have they ever cared about shit like that?

>>30008997

In a situation where Russia can use nukes without outside players intervening then yes

Would be interesting to see how Gripens would fare against Su-34s

>>30017874
imply the gripens would leave the air field
implying Sweden even has fuel for them
implying Swedish """"men"""" will fight for their nation

>>30017874

Since Su-34 is an attack aircraft Gripens would rape them. They would also have an advantage over Su-27s But the new Su-30SM and Su-35 would be a challenge.

It all depends on pilot skill and most important, command and control. Without ground based command any fighter is worthless unless you do constant CAP.

>>30017943
Continue with your drinking Vlad.

>>30009562
It amazes me people still believe this "hurr Russian military is a pile of rusting hulks and vodka addled conscripts" meme. The Russians wiped out an entire Ukrainian armoured brigade in 5 minutes just a few months ago. They're good at warfighting. Very good.

Wait, isn't Sweden's standing military like 20,000 troops total?

>>30018202
No. The Hohols are simply even worse.

>>30018210

the rest is kneeling

>>30017957
Except that the Fullback has a vastly more powerful radar, twice the combat load, an integral EW self-defence suite and has support from the force multiplier aircraft like AWACS and tankers.
The Fullback will just plink away at its leisure and the Gripen can't do anything about it. Its main advantage, its much better T/W and agility is useless when it can't get in close for WVR knife fight and when the enemy has the luxury of spending more missiles to ensure a kill after you committed your energy into maneuvers.

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If this happens NATO would be dragged into it.

Scandinavia as a whole including Finland stand no chance against Russia simply due to size.

And the nukes...

Russia

All they have to do is find some minorities to not get shot at by swedes.

>>30008997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyPsqsH8I4M

>>30010069
>VDV seizes Gotland
russia has never been able to successfully sieze gotland before. what makes you belive they will now?

>>30017874
Most of them wouldn't even fly. Russia would hit all Swedish airbases with cruise/iskander missiles before they could react.

>>30018347
Sweden has underground bunkers for aircraft though.

>>30018337
The Swedes themselves have readily admitted that they can only defend Stockholm for two weeks against Russia. Decades of low military spending does that to a country.

Sweden

All we need to do is convince the Swedes the russkies are racist islamophpbes and they'll Viking the fuck out and shock you with their brutality

>>30018365
Do you have any idea how large the Russian military has always been compared to Swedens.

This isn't a new issue.

>>30018347
Then again, Gripen was made to utilize road bases. There are over 400 currently unused road bases in Sweden, and a silly amount of regular road with land/start capacity.

Im not sure how it would go actually. I don't think Russia would be able to land on Sweden in sufficient numbers by air and over the baltics. Plus, Russia is dirt poor. Their GDP is the size of Italy.

Then again, Sweden cant do anything to russia apart from economic measures (which are not insubstantial).

>>30008997
Does Sweden control any critical AIDS medication or significant precursor? If so, then the Swede cucks would only need to cut off the supply and watch Russia die of staph infections as every t cell in the federation disappears overnight.

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>>30018555
>Their GDP is the size of Italy.

>>30018818
>2015 estimates
>estimates

>>30018848
let's see your current infallible and omniscient truth

>>30018848
>CIA knows shit
Yeah, sure.

>>30018818
>ppp

get out of here, middle school teacher

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>>30008997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdx3VSQigw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTqTG6Na1xM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6plZWdhfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_mjfZ7lek

>>30009061
this, but you forgot the most important part. we have no fucking readiness whatsoever. it would take over a WEEK to mobilize the forces we do have (of which half the fucking gear isnt even in working condition).

swedish television made a documentary about it and the former supreme commander said we would not even last 3 days if russia invaded.

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Swedes. They got a book to sell, and progressive values to share.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ZFZsz8mFE

Russia would sweep them up and shit them out in about a week.

Would Sweden even have the willpower to defend itself?

European defense is functionally ineffectual. It is dependent entirely on bluff, and hoping that the USA will come to pull their fat out of the fire when Russia calls that bluff.

Southern Sweden: Ruskie win within the month.

Swedish northland: Pyrrhic victory for ruskies at most.
The northlands are a death trap for any invader.
Stretched supply lines,hostile environment and difficult terrain

>>30019323
nope, we spend 10 times more money on immigrants than our defense.

all hope is lost.

This argument might as well say

Any us States national guard vs Russia, no feds.

EU countries are all shadows of their former selves.

>>30017417

You seem to assume that Russia have a lot of people who would actually buy war bonds. What they really have is very small percentage of super-rich who have already taken their money abroad, small emerging middle class which in large part is having serious problems with foreign currency loans (*) and huge number of dirt-poor people.

(*) Check currency development of Russian ruble since 2013 and consider the fact that grand majority of consumer loans taken by emerging Russian middle class for their homes, cars etc are foreign currency loans.

The war would create Russia political problems compared to which the existing trade embargo is child's play, value of Russian ruble would fall like an elevator with its cables cut and all safety features turned off.

Heck - Panama Papers leak revealed that even Putin's inner circle has stashed their money abroad.