weed farm security shuffle

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>>30000763
Just go with an Ar-15. No need to get all tacticool with your gear though, but a rifle gives you a solid amount of firepower, accuracy and range, all of which will be good if a group of shitskins or tweakers want to take that weed for themselves.

Remember, more dakka = good.

>>30000829
Is it difficult to maintain an Ar-15, though? I don't know much about weapon maintenance. I assume there's plenty of guides on youtube, but I don't wanna half-ass this.

Ironically, the biggest threat is probably actually from all the neo-nazis we've got living in the woods in Oregon. I might end up shooting someone from /pol/

When the Zetas are robbing you and the inventory, take note of what they are carrying and get something comparable.

>>30000863
>Is it difficult to maintain an Ar-15, though?
Retarded conscript grunts managed to keep them clean in a jungle war zone during Vietnam. You'll be fine as long as you RTFM.

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>>30000863
Maintenance is easy. You just have to know how to field strip the gun, know what to do (clean and lubricate), actually do it, then put it back together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4DQ5QlwrA

>Ironically, the biggest threat is probably actually from all the neo-nazis we've got living in the woods in Oregon. I might end up shooting someone from /pol/
Honestly I wouldn't say /pol/ has any notable amount of neo-nazi retards. Proper national socialists maybe, but not skinheads.

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>>30000943
Man, what a shit picture. Shouldn't have given up and searched for the one I wanted to post.

>>30000863
There are some small parts to loose compared to say, an ak, and you should pick up some specialized tools for it, but if you're growin pot you shouldn't find that much of an obstacle. Objectively tho an ar with backup sights and a magnifying optic on are the best arm you can have. If you're concerned about maintenance, just avoid corrosive surplus primers and keep the moving parts oiled like any other gun. The whole maintenence meme comes from the fact that the military still trains with corrosive primers from decades ago for logistical reasons, which obviously fucks up your gun if you don't adhere to cleaning protocol. Just buy new ammo.

>>30000929
Thankfully we don't get much in the way of ex-mexican SF-turned drug gang up here, but you'd better believe I'm just going to let the insurance take that hit if an orgnaized gang comes rolling in.

I'm not dying over a bundle of weed, especially one that's insured.

>>30000937
Alright, thanks. We've got a decent enough setup, a couple dogs, cameras, alarm-linked to a security firm that'll call the cops if anything happens, and since we're Oregonians and are nothing if not eco-friendly, we're planting some huge blackberry bushes around the perimeter fence which is about ten feet tall and has barbed wire at the top. So I feel pretty secure against all but the most insane of threats.

>>30000996
You should definitely get an Ar-15, a carrier vest and spare mags. Give you the ability to lay down as much fire as possible, which will probably make any two-bit thugs reconsider.

This is terrifying

>>30001010
Should i look into body armor? I know even less about that than guns, which enough time on the internet has given me the ability to just nod and go 'yep, AR-15'.

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>>30001018
If you can afford it, sure.

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http://www.adn.com/cannabis-north/article/murkowski-wants-feds-address-law-prevents-users-legal-marijuana-buying-guns/2016/04/04/
https://www.atf.gov/file/60211/download

You're committing at least two felonies.

>>30001018
If I was going to steel your weed patch you are going to be ambushed on your way in or out while you are driving and not expecting it. I will also be sure to shoot you in the head to make sure you are dead before me and my boys bring in the trucks to clean you fuckers out. See you in hell, guapo.

>>30001072
You can't protect against everything, I guess. Still, better safe than sorry.

>>30001072
>posted from my mother's basement

>>30001042
would it be improper for me to ask for recommendations, or is that something where my own research would be adequate?

>>30000763
Do they need any help? I'm in the Hillsboro/Portland area. Have ccw, trained and trustworthy. Also I enjoy weed from time to time.

Also I'd recommend buying a colt 6920, and putting a decent scope on it. And get some body armor if you think you'd be in danger. Good armor is fairly cheap.

>>30000763
What's the area surrounding the blackberry perimeter look like?

Some side notes.
-Things will be quiet for a month or two maybe unless it's advertised you're growing weed.

-A shotgun is good if you want non-lethal rounds, theres even one that tazes people. Also a good single or doublestack handgun

-night vision is a must. Body armor is too but you would just need plates that stop pistol/shotgun projectiles.

-you shouldn't be too worried until you see evidence of people fucking with the blackberry perimeter.

Besides that just do routine patrols on the inside and maybe one on the outside. Make sure you don't patrol the outside too much before people realize you're guarding something.

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>>30001104
I'm afraid I've no knowledge on body armor.

>>30001104
your own research should be fine just realize that bulletproof doesnt mean it will stop all the bullets
the difference between armor is going to come down to price,comfort, and weight
only you can decide on a pricerange and if you want to sacrifice protection for comfort.

if all you get is a vest and you get shot in the head or leg in the woods miles away from help you are going to die

>>30001104
AR 500 armor is fine, /k/ will talk shit on it because one loading of 5.56 can go through it inside of 15 yards usually but it will protect you. If you have loaded magazines, pouches, and a decent carrier and you aren't getting shot point blank by that one loading of 5.56 you will be protected up to .308. Yes, it's heavy. It's also very inexpensive, takes more hits than ceramic, and you won't be doing 30 mile rucks with it.

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What's your budget?

For farm security, an ar15 is a good choice. Doesn't have to be fancy, but since this is night time security, mount a weaponlight on your rifle.
PSA ar15 build - $600
Surefire g2x tactical and cheap polymer mount like vtac - $70
Sling (I like magpul ms3) -$30

So you're looking at $700 easy. I know that sounds like a lot of money, especially just for job, but the ar15 is a good solid fun rifle.

Also, being security, you might have to do a little gear queering.

If I was guarding marijuana, I'd want body armor no question. But that's an easy $500, and you might not want to drop that.

The essentials of fighting gear are ammo, water, medical. As security, you'll also want radio, see sort of restraints, and maybe a Taser/pepper spray. Police gear would be cheaper, but OPERATOR padded belts and molle gear would be far more comfortable

Consult /arg/ for help putting together an ar15,
Gear queer for the rest of your stuff.

>>30001141
If you want night vision, make sure to get an IR laser because having NODs fixed to your rifle sucks and trying to look through an optic with NODs on your face sucks more.

>>30000763
I knew a guy that didn't do night security for a totally 100% legal pot farm.

Of course he was a sissy noguns that had never shot anything before, so they had him use an AR-15

Other people used AKs and the men used shotguns, but that's all that the noguns guy could identify.

Don't listen to the whiny fags crying about "muh federal laws", they're just cucks. And that anon claiming to shoot you in the head for your pot has probably never even shot something living before, let alone a human. Just get something like an AR-15 and take it to the range every weekend or so, and make sure you learn proper takedown and cleaning procedures. You shouldn't have to worry about losing small parts unless you want to build it yourself, or completely take it apart for fun/cleaning.

Thermals are pretty easy to come by if you're not going to attach it to your gun.

Body armor isn't anywhere as useful as people in this thread are implying. They just love to look tacticool.

Walk softly and carry a big maglite.

>>30001141

>>30001187
Oh yeah, I'm aware of the limitations of body armor. The good news is that we've got a security system installed linked to a central hub somewhere that will call the cops to come bail us out if anything happens, including something like loss of power, so help will probably be coming no matter what. We're not far from a hospital either, which is nice.

>>30001141
Yeah, we're getting NV. I'm not sure what type at the moment (I don't know shit about NV). Pretty much the only circumstances where I need the gun will be ones where my life is in direct threat, so less-than-lethal isn't really what we're aiming for. The area outside the perimeter is flat farmland for about twenty meters or so and then forests on all sides except for the side facing the road, where there's an old apple orchard.

>>30001209
>takes more hits than ceramic
How to spot a noplates faggot 101

>>30001225
This is actually pretty reasonable, I was anticipating the AR-15 being much more expensive. Like I said, I know fuck-all about guns.

Since this is a family gig, they're giving be a pretty good budget, since the only thing that'd suck to them worse than losing the crops would be losing their son.

>>30001232
What's an IR laser like? What's a NOD?

By the way, thanks again for all this information.

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>>30001125
Honestly, I'd recommend the spikes le carbine over the 6920. Still milspec, but found consistently cheaper.

And level iv ceramics start at $119 (hicom security) each, then you buy a plate carrier, than you buy pouches, gear queer gets expensive fast.

>>30001209
>The most common loading of 5.56 can go through it
Ftfy. Hicom lvl ivs are $120. There is no excuse for buying steel

And the plate might take more hits than ceramics, but the anti spall coating comes off in just a few shots, and now you have to deal with that.

>>30000763
Static deterrents and detection/ video monitoring systems, not to mention having insurance on the equipment and product are going to do much, much more than you playing Paul Blart.

That said get a meh-grade ar-15.

>>30000763
Physical security consultant here:

1. Define your perimeter and make it known to possible shitheads. While a 3 strand fence and "No tresspassing" signs will not keep anyone out it will make you look better in the eyes of the law if you have to shoot someone.

2. Light up approaches, your neighbors will hate you and your electrical bill will be dildos but it is the best thing you can do. Night vision is useful but it constrains your field of view and creates a helmet setup that you will need. You arent hiding from anyone so you dont need the stealth of night vision, just light up everything

3. Clear your perimeter. There should be no cover or concealment for an advancing force to close distance on you. See a ditch? fill it with a crosslay of 3 strand wire. See a thick tree? Cut it down. See a boulder? Blast it apart or roll it away.

4. Really obvious security measures to act as a deterrent. Obviously placed fake cameras, sirens connected to nothing, etc.

As for gear:
>Level 4 ceramic plates
>16" Carbine length AR with quality red dot and bright light
>Doublestack 9mm pistol with bright light
>IFAK

More important than gear/defensive perimeter is quality training. Have everyone working there take a first responder gun shot wound treatment class. You should be taking carbine classes and practicing moving in your gear.

>>30001104

it can help but have you ever worn a carrier with front and back plates? its cumbersome, if you are set on getting it practice shooting with it on in different positions, go from sitting to standing with it and see how heavy that bitch is.

also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6h44Pu4sM

9mm vs ar500 9mm wins.

>>30001368
>You arent hiding from anyone so you dont need the stealth of night vision
I would consider hiding a good option. If he ever faces a numerically superior, or well organized group, he should be hidden.

>>30001368
>>30001283

what these guys sai,d lvl IV ceramics or dont bother.

>>30001397
>I would consider hiding a good option. If he ever faces a numerically superior, or well organized group, he should be hidden.
For someone who isnt experienced in night vision its going to be more a limiting factor.

>>30000763
Buy an AR, buy a metric fuckton of practice ammo and also a lot of good self defense ammo to use when you're watching the ganja. I recommend winchester PDX1 .223 for the defense ammo to be used on dindus, tweakers, and beaners. get a 16 inch barrel and a rifle mounted flashlight. If you want to be able to use it, practice a lot.

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>>30001263
I didnt even mention optics. Good red dots like pic related are cheaper than good scopes, and since you're in a (mostly) fixed position shooting at people (hypothetically) at night, I'll change my typical stance of magnified optics being superior to red dots and say "get a red dot". The aimpoint pro goes for $400 and is rock solid. The aimpoint comp m4 used on eBay is about the same price, but is fucking bomb proof.

Nods are night optical devices, and ir lasers are lasers you can only see with nods on, because they're invisible to the naked eye.
The entry nods, Gen 2 pvs 14s are just under $2000. The "entry" ir boxes are like $600.

I'd say it's out of your budget.

Body armor and gear queer stuff you can always ask here >>29998775

>>30001333
Nice trips. You're right, but dont undervalue armed security and maybe some dogs, especially for weed.

>>30001368
This guy knocked it out of the park.

>>30001283
>recommending doubledicks ar15s
Please tripnigga

Wow, I'm just writing all this down. This is good stuff.

To the guy asking if they need help, sorry but they're keeping it a family business out of concern that people we don't know well might not be the best people guarding the farm.

Anyway, I'm going to take all these notes and come up with something. Thanks especially for the tip about defining the perimeter and the stuff about the first response classes for workers- I see that I've still got a lot of work to do.

In the meantime, I'm going to add up all the likely expenses from buying a meh-tier Ar-15, red dot, IR, ammo, light, and ceramic plates.

>>30001593
Why not? It might be edgy, but it's not dpms. It's not bushmaster. I think builds, even for first time buyers are the best choice, but I was providing a similar, cheaper option to the colt 6920

>>30001606
Skip IR. Useless without nods.

>>30001104
Just muse 500 sheets of paper with a few millimeters of steel

You're looking at $2k-3k minimum. I just put together an AR and I spent $1200 on the gun, 20 mags and 500 rounds of ammo.

Will you be alone at night OP?

>>30001239
Holy shit you stupid nigger. OPSEC, do you speak it? I'm going to come out there and torch your shit just because you're so fucking dumb as to describe the place.

>>30000763
You do not need armour. Even an AR-15 is pretty overkill but I'd keep it as minimum as possible but try to get a good red dot and a light on it

>>30001432
Using night vision for work every day sounds like a good way to become experienced with night vision quickly.

>>30000863
>I might end up shooting someone from /pol/

I like the way you think, anon.

Has a legal pot farm been attacked yet, or is this just a slightly legitimate excuse to be mall ninja?

>>30001104
Yes, get body armor.
Not that you'll ever need it, but because if you run around with it all night you'll end up getting swoll as fuck.

>>30000763
What state? If it's in mine I'd gladly work for you.

>>30005323
read the fucking post

>>30005342
Oh shit, can't believe I missed the Oregon bit.

Op, you got a burner email? Let's talk. I'd love to work as a guard on your farm.

>>30001072
>guapo
Thanks for calling me handsome.

>>30001072
Man... Edge.

>>30005246
Farms and stores get rolled on the reg in my state.

>>30005374
>>30001606
>To the guy asking if they need help, sorry but they're keeping it a family business out of concern that people we don't know well might not be the best people guarding the farm.

If it is any consolation you probably would not have been hired anyway given you don't have the attention span to read the thread.

>>30001709

could just go aero AR then, the AC-15M basically identical to a Spikes LE just with a less autist triggering rollmark

>>30005521
Tbh I skipped the thread and went right to asking for the job in hopes that it would work.

>>30005609
It's okay anon, I've done the same thing with experience requirements and job postings.

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>>30000763
What's your budget? Do you want to spend a lot of money? Have you incorporated yourself as a "security business" that way you can write off the cost of guns/ammo/gas/etc? My advice, get a 9mm carbine. Not much kick, cheap to feed and you can get started on something that could share mags between a rifle and a handgun. If you feel that distance is an issue an AR will work fine, but if it were me, I'd get a 9mm AR and handgun that you like. Of course you could gauge what you feel you need, if you don't want all that there's plenty of other options.
>Pic related
>Buy a C93 they look so cool
>But maybe don't they are heavy as fuck

>>30006555
Also forgot to mention, DON'T SKIMP ON THE AV! Set up trail cams, and video cams. Video cams on all access from roads with multiple viewpoints. Trail cams around the crops to get everything else.

>>30001247
>implying he's wrong

>>30001391
that is a kevlar level 3A plate, not AR500 steel, you fucking dolt.

>>30005416
he's right though
if I was in OP's shoes I'd get some body armor
maybe put ceramic plate in the doors of my car as well, pad the firewall with some milsurp III-A kevlar...

>>30001015
Blow it out your ass.

>>30006602
Also bright as hell lights around the fence line.

>>30005246
Probably not BECAUSE of good security. Having millions of dollars of product sitting inside a shitty, unguarded warehouse is not wise, even for stoners.

>>30001333
>Static deterrents and detection/ video monitoring systems


Make sure they are hidden, no need for naked cameras, make them look like bird houses, pine cones, etc

>>30005486
State? Links? Any deaths?

>>30000763
make sure to put "defending weed farm" on your CC application you fucking criminal

>>30000863
>>30000763
you do realize if you ever end up actually shooting a thief, you can say bye to all your coveted drug grow?

>>30000763
Shotgun blank alarms...Really great stuff

>>30006555
But that's 5.56

And almost all good 9mm carbines are already $1000 anyways so it'd make more sense to buy an ar15

>>30007504
>Shotgun blank alarms
not OP but I've tried those and they constantly get tripped by raccoons, rabbits, cats and deer.

Honestly if you haven't hired a security consultant already you're probably not going to be in the business too long

>>30001368
Fucking kek who do you consult for, walmart?

Op if you are for real dont listen to these retards. Buy books, physical security systems by Garcia is a great one.

T. Nuclear physical security

>>30000763
OP Im highly familiar with the theory behind raiding (illegal) fields and as long as you dont ask why Im glad to help a /k/ommando out.

You realize SOP for most plots in the gang world is one guard per plot with two posts covering every guard and the field can be spread over 3-12 plots right?

And that organized mobs exist who raid these things at night for a living right?

And that a bunch of soft hippies and potheads starting fields and hiring security that never shot anyone is going to mean mad profits for hardcore motherfuckers from all over the country to raid you and pull a profit flipping weed back in a state where its illegal?

If youre beginning to realize that you might be more than an over armed mall cop and maybe are even a little scared then good that fear will keep you smart.

But the only thing you need for the average tweaker or gang is a cool head. Theyll fold under intelligent, measured agression.

Give me an overhead view/map of the farm and Ill tell you how shitty the setup is.

>>30007893
OP is going to get reked, dont even bother.

>>30007893
>op I know a lot about grow security
>don't ask why
>give me an overhead view of your place

Not suspicious at all bro.

>>30007893
Why would you raid a legal place if you could raid an illegal place though? I'd rather piss off Jamal and his conglomeration of hard ass morons then the long arm of the law. The last is much more likely to actually find you.

>>30002779
Man all of your components better have been custom cause that is for real way too much for an AR IMO

At least hire a second guard

hell if i would be lone security on a weed farm sat night.

>Chase jamal, get stabbed by Jakal in the back in my blindspot

no amount of equipment can compensate for a competent college

>>30008158
If I was alone I wouldn't chase at all.

>>30001072
Armoured truck,?

>>30000996
Don't do blackberries. You'll wind up spending all of your time controlling their growth. And the berries might be attractive to vermin who'll want to snack on your crop.

Plant roses instead. Same protection, fewer headaches.

>>30000937
Not many kept them clean...thats kind of what got them killed.that was one of the criiques of the first model.

>>30000763
Why don't you just put the money towards an insurance policy.

>>30007692
Nah the PSA budget kits are fine and will work. It's not like he's looking for match grade, just something that shoots when he pulls the trigger and I know it's 5.56, but it appeals to my MP5 fetish in a bigger caliber.

>>30001046
>producing legal cannabis
>being a legal cannabis user

these are not synonyms

>you
>retard

these are

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>>30003795
>there is only one specific place in the whole continental shelf of the united states that fits that exact same description

>>30001606
Why would your family not want to hire a professional firm to provide security? Why would they put you, someone with no experience or knowledge, in charge of protecting their assets?

You might want to sit down and at least have a chat with them about it, or at least hiring a consultant who can show you how to set up a good system. Having a company there doing security for you will free you liability if someone ends up getting shot, and while they're not DEVGRUSEALRANGERS they are professionals and experience in the field. I think you might be getting yourself into a position to be in a legal quagmire to be quite honest familam.

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>>30008682
>>30009015
it's actually true though, they just didnt issue cleaning kits or didn't tell them to even clean the rifle, and the early ammo they issued was incredibly corrosive so when it wasnt cleaned regularly the rifle corroded like shit to the point it became unreliable and unsafe

Dig ditches and fill them with razer wire then cover them up with leaves so people fall in.

If the cops ask then the leaves are just there cause they fell of a tree, you weren't purposefully trying to trap people.

>>30000763
AK variants would work well. If you can SLR it then you got a super handy sized rifle. Depending on the geography around your farm I'd go with either Russian caliber. Ammo is also cheaper then our own 5.56 so you got prices on your side.

>>30011073
*SBR

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>>30000954
don't forget these aryan übermenschen

>>30001072
>paco and his smelly buddies roll up in their rusty pickup trucks
>advance towards dank herb
>spot op
>"we shoot gringo now"
>try to ambush op with homemade guns, knives, and problem solvers
>op shoots them
>they die

This is what would happen

>>30011672
>implying they wouldn't be armed to the teeth with realtree'd Mossberg 500s, mini-14s, and 10/32s
It's like you've never seen a real trailer park posse.

>>30011686
Tacoslimes, not white trash

>>30011696
In that case, they probably have full-autos, hand-delivered from Eric Holder himself.

>>30011714
Why are you trolling mr

>legal weed farm

No it's not legal AT ALL.

If you look at federal law, you will see quite clearly that what you are doing is ILLEGAL.

Marijuana is ILLEGAL.

>get guard dog because his senses are a million times better than yours
>get an AR and any of the wonder 9s
>get a a pair of surefires. one to mount on the gun and one to keep in the hand.
Since you're in the woods and on privately owned property, your possibilities are endless.

>>30011801
i feel that this is bait, but if this is actual, bona-fide retardation
here's a link
http://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/pages/default.aspx

>>30011801
There's a difference between de jure and de facto law.

>>30011939

The Civil War showed us that states cannot legally go against federal law. Federal law trumps state law.

>>30011951

Illegal is illegal.

>>30012109
>Illegal is illegal.
Colorado must not be in the United states, then.

>>30012109
Yeah, and invading Grenada was illegal.

The question isn't who will let you, it's who will stop you.

>>30000763
Make it look like a hard target too. Put up signs that say PATROLLED BY ARMED GUARDS or some shit like that.

Like everyone else in the thread said a basic semi auto rifle will be fine with a chest rig to carry spare mags. An IFAK is kind of important too.

>>30008108

1200 is kinda cheap.