US Industry In WW3

shit

America has enough raw material for it to be more-or-less self-sufficient.

The only reason it isn't is because of a bunch of globalist libtards would rather us sell all our coal to China and buy all of our oil from Saudi Arabia than exploit domestic reserves.

>>29989895
American isn't a manufacturing economy anymore, our economy consists of, the buying and selling of debt and consuming the products of starbuck/walmart/apple

>>29989976
>>29989971
yeah, see? america is (sadly) just a consuming/buy sell economy now. we don't produce much anymore.
that's what I'm worried about, could the industry survive the huge influx of business from "oh shit we're at war we need 2 million M4s in 3 months make it happen"
and to support that, what about the equipment companies?
caterpillar, case, IH, those guys.
would they be making frags directly or making bulldozers to support collecting material to make frags?
do we have a oppenheimer of industrial economics?

>>29989895
>Hasn't been doing so hot
The fuck are you smoking? One of my customers, with 50 employees, processes 43,000,000 pounds of metal a month. And that's a small customer. We would likely out produce what our raw material suppliers could handle if we moved to a maximum output level of production.

>implying there would be a major industrial centre left standing more than an hour after WW3 was declared

America is literally the greatest country in the world. Not only could it sustain itself, it could sustain itself long term in an isolated political position. We are unstoppable. Remember what that one Jap said about pearl harbor? "We have awoken a giant from its slumber"
Remember 9/11?
I don't care about how fucked up it was or how it was "orchestrated". The bottom line is we came, we saw, and we conquered. You do not fuck with USA and if you are lucky, the USA does not fuck with you.
We have such vast resources we give a quarter of it away to the rest of the world, waste half of it on foolish blunders and still run our country on the remaining quarter.
Fuck if we would just shift mentality we could really do something with our country.

>>29990029
>>29990003
>>29989976
Fucking this.

>>29990029
Did not know bald eagles could type

>>29990013
well that's good.
I was thinking more of all the restrictions as of late.
smog, output, the choking out of the coal industry, whatever.
21500 tons of steel a month?
that's insane, what is that, a foundry?

>>29990045
That's the best compliment I'll get all day

>>29989976
This is only partially true.

No industrial jobs does not mean no industry.

It just means a lot of robots.

I wouldn't want to be on the other side of American manufacturing.

Especially aerospace and naval manufacturing.

>>29990054
No, they're a heat treat facility. ONE of their furnaces, at peak output, can treat 9 tons per hour. Actual mills and foundries add 1 or 2 zeroes to that number. Modern manufacturers are much, MUCH faster and more efficient than they were 70 years ago.

>>29990003

The way I see it, the people store the wealth in the US. It is, in my opinion, the only reason big brother hasn't stripped our gun rights entirely. Think of how much raw steel, aluminum and precious metals are in the hands of consumers.

Need 2 million 5.56 rifles? Convenient! There are hundreds of thousands already assembled in civilian hands and each is just a few minutes in a shop away from full auto.

Need steel and aluminum? Most American families have more than one vehicle these days. Take away all but one from each household and that's a ton of raw material.

Need precious metals for equipment? Good thing everyone over the age of 8 in the US has a handheld computer that outperforms everything available to mankind before 1980.

The country has a ton of shit if you can accept the fact that you don't actually own anything and if the government "needs" it it's theirs.

>inb4 I'll give dem muh AR! BULLETS FIRST!!!

No, you're going to be drafted and already in service praying little Loretta at home gives your AR to the collection people because you think it will help the war effort.

>>29990061
It probably is

>>29990116
I'm sorry I hear some dissidence in your voice.
Are you unamerican?

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>>29989895
>WW3 happens, and it is somehow, non-nuclear

>>29989895
Not even American, but the answer is a flat out yes. America is still the overall best country on the planet.

>>29990029
Merica!

If not the US, who else could?
Ability to feed its people? Check.
Huge Distances between centres? Check.
HUUUUGE arsenals of shit stored away? Check.
Patriotism? Check.
And as history showed that in hard times the US was always lucky to have the right people in the right places to unfuck their shit.

Heck you could really return to old glory, if it wasn't for you corporatism and the slow decay of the West.

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>>29989976
>>29990003
>>29990040
No you dumb faggots, America is still a manufacturing powerhouse. Capitalists realized that to make cheap shit you want cheap workers, hence your happy meal isn't going to be made in America. But Semiconductors? Aviation? Medical Devices? All can be found in the US.

The US is second largest manufacturer in the world. But that doesn't mean that a large % of the workplace is going to be in manufacturing.

>>29990003
Rather than commission 2 million M4s, the government would probably pull the hundreds of thousands of M16s, M14s, Garands and 1903s we still have in armories across the states.

>>29990226
>hey CMP
>yeah we kinda need all your shit
>removing norks with a fucking garand

>>29990226

> M16s
Unreliable garbage, aka jamo-o-matic
> M14s
fuckhueg, unreliable, oudated concept
> Garands
prone to ping which gives up the signal for the ennemy to attack
>1903's
Worst rifle of a war that took place a hundred years ago, no need to say more

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>>29990280

>>29990288

you sure proved me wrong here champ

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>>29990280
You need to be more subtle with your b8.

It's exactly like fishing, be flashy to stand out, look better to eat than the others.

>>29990136
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>>29990029
Tbh, anyone's a giant coming from a jap.

>>29990337
What is this picture from?

nukes

>>29990054
All that shit would go out the window if shit really hit the fan.

I mean fuck, we passed USA PATRIOT when a couple buildings fell, imagine if there was a serious, persistent threat.

"Oh, you have to turn off your furnaces / mills / what-the-fuck-ever for 8 hours per day to help reduce coal dependency? Fuck that, keep that shit on 24/7. We've got a War to win!"

>>29989895
It wouldn't just be America. The next world war will be of economy wrecking proportions.

We ran out of precision guided bombs in Serbia and had to resort to dropping unguided munitions. Expect the same in the global theater. No amount of smart munition production could keep up with whatever demand a global war may bring, so quickly expect a return to conventional weapons within the first few weeks/months of the war.

Losses involving more expensive aircraft will be even harder to deal with. F-22s that get shot down won't be replaced. A single B-2 getting shot down is completely irreplaceable. Same goes with a lot of our carriers.

Within the first few hours of the conflict the first thing all major belligerents will try to do would be the fuck everyone else's navy out of existence. You can't hide out in the open ocean anymore.

Western Europe would be devastated. The Baltics and the newer NATO states would get fucked even harder.

Nukes would be used conventionally in warfare to support ground invasions. These are my two cents.

Would the government contract with Daniel Defense, Spike Tactical, DPMS, ect to make M4s if the military needed more?

>>29991081
they don't have the high speed high output manufacturing capabilities that the govt would need.

>>29991081
These guys literally don't even make their own rifles, they buy the parts from the big 4 and re-brand them. DD does make their own hand guards and furniture however

>>29990950
Yeah, you don't turn shit off unless you HAVE to. Manufacturing runs 24/7, 365.

>>29990025
>and it is somehow, non-nuclear

>>29989895

The USA is still an industrial powerhouse.

In 1967 America made 115 million tons of steel, in 2015 the USA made 79 million. Yes, that is LESS, but still the third highest in the world. Not as many people are employed, and thus you have the wastelands of what was once steel country like Pittsburgh, but robots can make plenty of steel.

Not to mention our massive food production abilities, vast reserves of natural resources, and military and aerospace companies.

The USA would be just fine at the beginning and as the industrial wheel turned it would be able to produce a massive amount of war materiel.

>>29989895
ok you ruled out nukes. good job.

that being said, any large traditional style engagement. (batallion level) you are going to see american air superiority, in any area of the globe, really come through.

essentially we have so much war material stockpiled that the war wont last long enough to get to us actually forging new steel or aluminum or whatever

>>29990045
Another American Achievement.

>>29990029
>America is literally the greatest country in the world.
LOL
It's a majority non-white country today You think the modern US has ANYTHING on the US from WW2?
Fucking delusional

>>29991752
/pol/ pls go or I swear I'll make another mixed kid.

capcha: 1433 (so close...)

>>29991845
I just got here, and /pol/ still thinks America is the best nation in the world. Its atleast able to be saved currently.

>>29991752
It was a majority non white country when loads of Injuns, African slaves, and Mexicans got conquered along with their lands.


There are ways of setting the balance back to the 'ideal order'. Hint: Lebensraum and Lebensborn

>>29990029
Honestly this is 100% correct. America is still the number 2 manufacturing power in the world, largest economy, and is generally capable if getting anything it wants done done. It just ahs to want it. Most of the time we really don't, but in a W3 situation, its safe to assume we've taken the gloves off and are willing to give it our all.

>>29991752

>europoor IP's still aren't banned from /k/

baka

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>>29990029

All they'd have to do is destroy our fuel production. The soccer moms would be screaming for peace in a few days.

>>29991845
What do I care if you piss away your ancestry & heritage & genetics on kids that don't even look like you?

>>29992884
Our fuel supply is from our land bordering neighbor countries (or our own oil). And it's very close to our borders. So good luck with that.

>>29989895
>coal mining
Um,anon, you haven't been paying attention. The coal mining industry has been destroyed

Only poor countries have manufacturing based economies.

>>29990029
I demand screencap for lifetime fapping

>>29990950
>serious, persistent threat.

Something like Ringo's Posleen. That would get us and the rest of the world turning the armory production dial up to 11. A Zumwalt every 18 days, Ford every 42 days, Abrams every 27 hours.

No more unemployment, no more welfare. Dude's in a wheelchair? He's getting a reloading bench in his living room. And Shaniqua, who used to live on that gummint cheese, drops by twice a day to deliver supplies and pick up finished product. No time to talk, though. She's got 70 more stops to make today.

Thing is, we have to be very careful about cranking the American machine up to full throttle. If we don't have a target for all of that output, the backlash could break the world.

>>29989895
When angered the American people have a long and proud tradition of "losing their fucking minds and ramping up discrimination and propaganda machine to gulag-proportions and getting the populace thirsty for ever-more blood".

A Third World War would be.... Interesting.


Btw we import cheap shit. Most of what we make is the super expensive stuff that goes in expensive things. Chips, aircraft, industrial equipment, lathes, backhoes.

If it says "made in China" and it's electronic, the thing was probably ASSEMBLED in China, the motherboard made in Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, or America, the code written by Indians, and designed and funded by Americans.

That was the case for Apple products at least.

>>29990054
>I was thinking more of all the restrictions as of late.
Only a low information idiot would think that has an effect on output, not on net corporate profit

it isn't that an air scrubber on a smokestack makes a factory produce less, it's that between the choice on paper of "buy, install, and service an air cleaner/properly dispose of waste chemicals" and "don't", in a corporate oligarchy with no oversight the answer is "don't", regardless of the overarching consequences.

There is no reason for the US to look like Coruscant or Armageddon in the name of a few extra pennies on a corporate stock. Not fucking the US environment is a cost of doing business in the US.
>thats what we have china for

Come WWIII the strategic reserve of McDonalds toys would take a hit if we cut off trade with the chinks, but everything that would be necessary to a war effort is made domestically (or in the quickly annexed mexican border factories)

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>>29990226
>AR furniture donation drives to bubba the hell out of M16A1s with collapsible shoulder stocks and railed handguards

>>29989895
I tried to have this argument with retards a few months ago in a thread about what we have in our reserve fleets, etc. People refuse to listen. We simply dont have the infrastructure to produce war material like we did at the end of WW2. Whike its true that wee currently produce about the same amount or more of a lot of material as we did at the end of WW2 and with a smaller footprint, a total war equivalent now would be unsustainable as what we produce now is used completely to sustain and facilitate minor growth, rather than sustain current domestic needs and create the surplus needed for war.

There would definitely be a New Deal 2 instituted if that were the case. We have tons of resources, but we would need tons of labor to turn resources into something usable. Huge amounts of factories would open across the country and many people would become employed.

Because World War III would probably be the US against a large, not-shitty backwater country (like Afghanistan or Vietnam), mechanization would be an important like in WWII, and we would see a focus into raw productive output instead of trying to just improve our current tech

>>29989895
The US has enough material stockpiled to keep the basics going. The real problem would be ramping up production. We still have factories, but not many, and changing to produce specialized equipment isn't exactly easy. It's possible, but fucking with the global economy is a huge non starter. The world would collectively be thrown into so much economic turmoil more than likely the majority wouldn't worry about threats from the inside, but civil unrest.

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>>29992944
At least I have kids. And she's the white one.

You guys are so easy to rile up.

>>29995351
No you don't. Manufacturing is mostly automated these days. What used to take hundreds now takes a few.

>>29994846
>Zumwalt every 18 days, Ford every 42 days, Abrams every 27 hours.
Yeah, no. Gone are the days when housewifes can assemble entire tanks, planes, and ships in a few days or weeks at most. Everything has exploded in complexity - each equipment made up of thousands of parts an entire ecosystem of hundreds of specialized contractors each making only that or a couple other parts and employing specialists and specialized equipment. Can't emphasize the world special enough.
Also dindus would rather mass chimpout than be forced to work.

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>World War 3
>Non-nuclear
Get a load of this cunt

>>29996764
My first successfully screen capped post

Well speaking that all military contracted items must be produced in the United States and be at least 75% US sourced raw materials, I think we'll be fine anyways

>>29999058
Note that wartime production generally requires speed. In that aspect, we cannot sustainably make enough.

During D Day Eisenhower was concerned the army would run out of bombs because we were dropping an insane amount. This was after a multi-year buildup.

Bombing durkhas we can do sustainably. The bombs we drop are small. Really the explosives are easy, we basically use the same 250 lb bomb we've used since Korea, it's the electronics in the guidance kit that takes time. In a full war where we are basically doing a sustained Desert Storm- intensity operation we would struggle to make enough to meet theater demand. And even if we make enough bombs, we still would need replacement plane parts, etc. F-22s can't be easily replaced. Even A-10s, simple in comparison, can't be easily replaced. B-2s are blatantly irreplaceable. Ford and Nimitz Carriers take much longer than the old Essex class.

If I had to make a wild guess, controlling for increased automation production, and assuming we have a degree of time to prepare our infrastructure, we could probably wage a war sustainably (production wise) at early-Vietnam levels overall, with islands of major improvements (cheaper technical stuff or relatively inexpensive items like M4s and humvees could probably be made indefinitely without much quality loss).

It's worth noting that quality in WW2 dropped drastically to increase quantity. The nazis at the end were basically throwing out Metro 2033 tier SMGs and their armor divisions broke down more and more and more due to lack of spare parts and shittier metallurgy caused by shortages of good metals and bombings. The USA, blissfully spared from bombing, was able to retain its production facilities and keep quality fairly high. The soviets at Stalingrad were basically making tanks during the fighting and rolling them out right into combat.

A WW3 scenario could feasibly put American infrastructure at risk. Missiles, cyber, etc.

>>29990855
Payday 2

>>29990116
Bootlicker