How significant was hand-to-hand combat in WW1?

>>29905619
Huge. Are you slow or something?

I'd imagine pretty significant, as many of the hand-to-hand styles taught in WWII were learned from WWI.

>>29905619
extremely significant

>>29905619
It beca,e more significant when they got in the trenches and bayonetted rifles became spears. Americans using Shotguns and Germans using submachine guns began the increased significance of firearms in that kind of combat, with weapons like trench maces and bayonets becoming less significant.

not at all

>>29905619

I feel bad for all the guys you see who in the black-and-white videos. It seems like a significant amount of a ww1 infantryman's training revolved around using the bayonet. All that effort and then you just be machine gunned down.

>>29905683
Or bludgeoned to death with a shovel.

>>29905619
yes

>>29905619
Nobody cared about WWI until ea made a game about it

>>29905804
This, as hipster as it does sound, it's true.

>>29905619

yuge

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>>29905820
Maybe mainstream, but there has always been some good ww1 threads on /k/

>pic is from a ww1 dump

>>29905804
I.. I liked WWI

>>29905804
It's not a bad thing, is it? It's sparking interest in a topic not many people know about.

>>29905820
>Not knowing about the Battlefield 1918 mod for Battlefield 1942

http://bf1918.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield_1918_Wiki

>>29905804
i liked WWI before then. maybe dice can make a korean war game so people finally give a shit about it ;_;

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I just received the books of "Poilu: The World War I Notebooks of Louis Barthas, Barrelmaker" and Ernst Jünger's "Storm of Steel" today. Just read the forward so far for Barthas' book and read about Germans dressing in British uniforms to infiltrate the French trenches to slaughter them in hand-to-hand combat. Going to be good reads.

>>29906190
>Korean war FPS
THIS TBHFAMALAM

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>>29906319
I've read "Under Fire" and "Storm of Steel".

That shit was unbelievably brutal.

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if you kill your enemies, they win

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>>29906319
>>29906441
>"Storm of Steel"

Anyone who is interested in WWI and hasn't read this book needs too. IMO the best book about WWI, far better than "All Quiet on the Western Front".

>>29906570
Thanks m8, just ordered it

>>29906190
>Korea
Please!? I just want to be like granddad and drop bombs from my Mitchell

>>29906441
>>29906570
Just read that Ernst Jünger lived to 102 years old. Jesus did that guy get to live a long time after the meat grinder.

>>29905820
>t. American

>>29905619
Not as big as games and movies and shit might have you believe. Trench raids and the like were common enough so it wasn't really rare, but I still wouldn't say it made up a huge part of WW1 combat as a whole.

>>29905804
B-but I've always been interested in WWI...

>>29905804
Bitch, I've been playing Verdun for two years.

>>29906949
Then there was Toy Soldiers from Signal I played five years ago.

It seems to be bigger than I originally thought. 2 years ago I went on a trip to London, and while I was there the Imperial War Museum had a big WW1 exhibit. There was a whole wall of improvised maces and war clubs and the like. Pretty medieval shit.

Kinda hoping for a Gallipoli map.

Rowing ashore with your pals only to land on the wrong beach, trying to scrabble up the hills and craggy rocks as Turk snipers kill your friends around you.

>>29906805
It's /k/, there area LOT of us here

>>29905804
Kansas City cared. https://www.theworldwar.org/

>>29905949
Yes, but it was OUR topic topic that not many people knew about.
Normies get out.

>>29905804
OR PERHAPS THEY'RE WONDERING WHY EA WOULD USE A BLACK PROTAGONIST BEFORE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE GAME

This thread is making me angry.
There's lots of trolls but god damn, they baiting me right.

Anyways, to answer OP, the true answer is little.
WW1 was a time when preindustrial tactics met industrial warfare.
Due to trench warfare, there was some close quarter combat, that was a side-effect of the shrapnel minimization of the trench design.

But the true answer is that trench guns and rapid fire weapons ruled supreme.
To the point where it was put to the newly formed League of Nations to outlaw them.
Of course they weren't, and so we now have proper automatic weapons.

The reason why it seems like mano y mano combat was important was that at the time, the people thought in that matter.
If you're close to an enemy and you missed your shot, transition to a bayonet or whatever sharp thing you can find. That was the tactic.
But in reality, it turned out that full auto weapons just mowed people down as they clambered for knives and shovels

>>29907188
FINALLY A GI WHO CAN SOUND OFF

WAS BECOMING A POW PART OF YOUR PLAN?

>OP posted 2 hours ago
>Nobody has mentioned the Inrange episode on this topic specifically

https://www.full30.com/video/ace5417ce327d3e4b27cc6c29607995b

>>29907288
And for the inevitable >full30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIGIBJeRfnQ

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>you will never have to go "over the top"
Thank god

>>29905804

factually inaccurate. There are WW1 threads here all the time.

It would be fair though to say that nobody knew 95% of the US fighting forces in WW1 were black people till EA made a game about it.

You cant tell from the black and white pics cause they are all wearing gas masks and their skin is often turned white from the ash of the 6 million Jews the Germans burned in the trenches during that time.

>>29907336
That's because American WW1 forces were a symbolic gift to their pappy Britain.
Canada and OZ gave so much more.

WW1 was a war in the 20th century were America was just a bystander. It's hard to believe but it's true.

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>>29905804

I cared, because it featured muh tankfu.

Dan carlins Blueprint for Armageddon was pretty good i listened to the whole thing covers the whole war basically.

>>29906319
Poilu was published in comics a while ago. Very good story.

>>29906949
Yeah, you're the only one.

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>>29907335
It's a good feeling knowing you'll never have to walk into gas as your friends die right next to you.

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>>29907583

>>29907583
It's a good feeling that you don't need to sit in a trench for 6 months taking potshots at an enemy you'll never see all the while your friends die of slow diseases and rats eat your feet while you sleep.
Also, having to worry about gas attacks and your own fucking commanders ordering artillery strikes on your position.

Fuck WW1

>>29907446
Why does this give me an Advance Wars vibe

>>29907623

The really sad part is that all those boys were draftees. They didn't sign up for this. It wasn't their decision to be there.

>>29907649

Yellow Commet's light tank is based directly off the FT chassis.

>>29907686
The saddest bit are the volunteers.
They said "Yeah, I want to fight for my country. I want to fight for righteousness".

And then they sat in a muddy pit for months.

Y'all niggas read Three Day Road?
It's about two Canadian Indians volunteering for war in WW1 and finding out how horrible it can be.
Recommend it.

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>>29906648
You won't regret it. This book truly captures the horror of WWI.

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>>29906962
>>29906949
>>29906907
>>29906190
My ultimate niggas.

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>>29907721
>those two bayonets
>dat ass

God damn, son.

>>29907623
>>29907583
and this is just in the trenches. Meanwhile, people are freezing and being eaten by wolfs in the mountains. Starved out in the middle of whats now Iraq, dying from dysentery. Human waves against machine guns all of the world because no one has any fucking clue how to use them or counter them. Unrestricted submarine warfare in the Atlantic. Colonial armies pilfering civilian populations in Africa.


It's honestly incredible to me that WWI is as over shadowed as it is by WWII

I'm 25 years old and I get PTSD after watching just a WWI documentary. I would probably have huddled in a ball in the trenches and cried while mustard gas slowly suffocated me into the next life.

I hope this new Battlefield can actually capture the sheer horror that was The Great War. Wealthy countries poured every cent they had into devising ways to kill people in the most inhumane fashions.

>>29907715
most of the bright faced volunteers got obliterated by machine guns and artillery by the time anyone else new that's how the war was going to be fought

>>29906319
I've read both. Junger's book is more action oriented but I liked Barthas better. His book was a real portrait of the war. It hit me right in the feels.

How did explosives play a role in trench to trench warfare? Like did they give a specific dude like an assload of grenades and say "hey fuck that up over there"

>>29906787
It surprising he survived the 3rd Reich, especially being critical of Hitler.

>>29907766
I wish PTSD was a term that actually held some water. Not just a buzz word someone used every time they did or saw something that made them slightly uncomfortable

>>29907778
Grenadiers.

>>29907806
was their role pretty much what I described?

>>29907796
PTSD is really real in the military community.
It's a wonder that it took Gulf War 1 to be fully recognized.
Like so much of the modern military doctrine revolves around PTSD.
You live on a military base?
You gonna be bombarded by "help groups".
Most don't take it.
They just drink themselves to death and decide on suicide.

>>29907749
>It's honestly incredible to me that WWI is as over shadowed as it is by WWII
6 million jews weren't allegedly killed in WWI.

>>29907842
that's why i just went full autism on that post. It drives me fucking crazy with how often the term gets used in the civilian world.

alright I'm done now sorry didn't mean to derail the tread

>>29907842

good, a military funeral is cheaper for me than paying for the next fifty years of their life.

faggots should have gotten a real job.

>>29907836
WWI was a weird time.
In the past, having explosive was such a rarity that it had a need for a type of soldier to be dedicated to it.
So in WW1 they had that.
But in reality, everyone had a grenade.

The true category developed into sappers.
Niggas who blew shit shit up to help others.

>>29907857
6 million jews wouldn't of been allegedly killed during WWII if WWI didn't happen

>>29907862
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>>29907862
>"OMG I'M SO EDGY!"

>>29907862
>civilian kek
Lol

>>29905619
One tactic they used was to stun some guys in the enemy trench with a grenade, then bludgeon them about the head with your trench mace or knife while they're stunned.

>>29907862
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>>29907861
Nah, nigga.
You're on the money.
Real PTSD is scary as fuck.
It's like all the reflexes you learned are jokes and everyone laughs at you.

But it's not fucking funny.

How do you tell everyone that you're feeling like you're losing fucking friend while they're popping balloons and shit?
You can't.

PTSD is fucking real. It's a god damned Pavlov experiment.
Where instead of dogs and food, you have soldiers and death.

>>29905804
eat shit, i always take a measure of pride knowing canada's involvement in the great war

>>29907914
Nigga seriously.
Next to OZ we lost more than Europe.
Canada was Britain's sacrificial source.
We threw troops where proper British men would die.

That's where we became a country.
Fuck the 19th century declaration.
We became a country when 1%+ of our men died for Britain.

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I saw a documentary once which detailed an account of Canadian engineers who were constructing a tunnel under the German lines when the Germans happened to take over their adjoining trench. They heard men not speaking English and killed each man sent down the ladder one by one until the Germans gave up / the trench was retaken. They used their limited revolver ammo, and a knife like in pic related. Only that they had leather straps on the knife so as not to be easily disarmed, and become "Edward Trench-Knife Hands" in the process. So yes, hand to had combat happened, but most were: gassed, shot, blowed up, shelled, trenchfooted, or gave up at the same time as the enemy, and bonded with the enemy to the point where they became bros, and saw no reason to fight, but just hold the line as told and play grab ass in no-mans-land.

>>29907982
Canada and OZ was Britain's deep force because we were sent to the fucking last survivable point.
You see ridiculous shit in the war, it's either Canadian, ANZAC or Scot.
Because those English faggots would never send one of their own into a position where they could prove themselves.

>>29907911
word

>>29907891
>>29907884
>>29907880

I'm dead serious.

I am not saying military personell are idiots or fuckups, my experience is to the contrary. The military people I train are usually better than the regular trainees I have but them being taken out of the productive economy for the use of the state is a drag on us all as is their paid retirement after they get 'wounded' or hit 40, whichever comes first.

Here, in the real world. We deal with our fucking problems and contribute to society. You all know the 'defending our freedums' is a meme at best and in truth they are literally doing the opposite, defending those that take our freedom away.

You get mad cause you know its true, military members kill themselves at rates alarmingly higher than civilians cause they know its true too.

What it is is a shame. I like to believe most of them really do have good intentions beyond a comfy job and personal benefit.

>>29908031
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>>29908014
Britain: "Who can we get to do the dirty work?"
Monarch: "Fancy the Colonies may do?"
Britain: "Aye Ma'am."

>>29908031
That's the sad truth.
Most join out of needing a job.
The others join out of thinking they're doing something right.

But right now, the other thing the military is protecting is their corporate profits.

But you can't blame the military. They're a dog on leash.
Blame the master. Blame the guy who says "Sic 'em".
The truth is that the military responds to the will of the people.
If the people fall asleep and allow the rich to dictate action, then we get what we have.

>>29907749

No one wants to think about all that pointless death and suffering when they could be thinking about a glorious struggle against a moustache-twirlingly evil enemy, anon.

In the next BF game, I better be fighting some fucking commies. Korea, Vietnam, even the Ostfront. I want to put some red sons of bitches in the dirt.

I think asking how war pacing can keep up because it's 100 years apart in technology is silly. It's still two animals doing what they can with what they have to kill each other. Your strategies may have to change, but pacing will be fine. My favorite gun in any game ever was the M1 Garand. A semi-automatic battle rifle. I can't imagine the Enfield. Honest to goodness bolt-action rifle, shots from 200 hundred yards with iron-scopes. You better stay in your trench, you dirty German.

WW1 was the worst war in human history.
Prove me wrong

>>29908694
>The sky is fucking blue
>Prove me wrong

>>29908694
the war to end all wars is a meme

>>29907231
NO ONE CARED WHO THE HARLEM HELLFIGHTERS WERE TILL THEY PUT ON THE GAS MASK

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>Trench mace.

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>>29907727
please.
>dat lower left

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>>29907335
>tfw no "GAS! GAS! GAS!"

>>29908859
If you go to Afghanistan, you'll still have to train for that.
Gotta get them suits on fast.

>>29908873
I can think of a good many things I'd rather train for than experience for real.

>>29908859
Yeah instead all we hear now is
"MOPP 4 MOPP4 MOPP 4!"

>>29908887
True dat.
Mustard gas is a fucking shitty way to die.
Best case scenario, you sit and watch your best bro rip and tear at your clothes trying to get your mask off.
What a fucking hellstorm

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>>29908929
"If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori."
And if the gas doesn't kill you...

>>29905804
I'd say it definitely got some people thinking about it. I'd have to say I'm quite proud of the Canadian educational system for teaching us about the World Wars. I remember watching videos of men frying lice out of their coats in the trenches in Grade 4. I think that it's pretty important to highlight the horrors and impart the lessons and impacts of the Wars at a pretty early age, to show the videos and pictures of men in the trenches and explain why weaponized chlorine gas was a fucked up invention. Makes them respect how fucked up our world can be at times.

>>29908957
Dulce est decorum est, nigga.
More of /k/ needs to understand that

>>29908957
>only one bullet has rifle grooves
Probably hit a magazine or something.

>>29908989
Dulce *ET* Decorum est, anon

I really want to start a campaign to remember all the deaths in world war one. It really pisses me off that people think of it as "the boring war". Those men gave their lives for their country and neckbeards on the internet fucking call it boring. FUCK

>>29909105
A century of horrors has made people forget.
Which is ironic, because most of those horrors were born in the trenches.

>>29905619
A lot of stabby stabby in trenches and a bit of grappling in mud until one of the participants finds a hard object to smash the other participants head in.

>>29907749
>It's honestly incredible to me that WWI is as over shadowed as it is by WWII
well there were no mass tank battles in ww1. The combined forces of vehicles and infantry made killing even more efficient.

In trench raids at night, pretty important, in big battles and day to day not so much. melee injuries overall accounted for 2% of total injuries iirc.

>>29907778
As infantry tactics developed grenades became super important. They would work in pairs or teams a rifleman and a bomber with shit loads of grenades.

>>29908082
Was a king then.

>>29907796
PTSD is just Shell Shock with a new name.
Fucking contrarians I swear.

>>29905804

LOL, one of the greatest conflicts of the past century. Countless films, historians dedicating lifetimes of work to studying it, memorials all over
>no one cares

>>29907749

>Jewish media

>>29909105
War is noting but irresponsible politics.
Once you understand this you will be better off.
The real tragedy is that countries for centuries had paid military which everyone is for,the men know that they will kill and die for money but in WWI people that had no part in a war got drafted.
These is no great cause in death.

>>29909261
Ask any pleb on the street "it's just guys in trenches being mowed down by machine guns, it's boring"

If they even had heard about ww1 in the first place

>>29907796

It is a term that holds water. Some people just misuse it.

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>>29908823

>>29909322
fuckin saved

>>29905804
>tfw the same can be said about ww2
I didn't give 2 fucks about ww2 or knew anything about it or its weapons until I played my first ww2 game medal of honored frontline, in a way video games can move you to research shit.

>>29905619
Not particularly significant.

Since the industrialization of war (from ~1850 onwards) is has been roughly like:
about two thirds die from fragmentation weapons (artillery, mortars, etc)
about one quarter by small arms fire
and then the meaningless rest

And it has been like that ever since, despite the huge technological changes, through both world wars and Vietnam until today. Individual numbers can vary from conflict to conflict. E.g. Israel has more problems with small arms fire due to the asymmetric nature of their recent conflicts and the ever more urban setting, whereas in Ukraine as much as 85% of the casualties were caused by artillery. For NATO troops IEDs are the biggest problem.

From memory, they actually calculated the types of wounds and deaths people suffered and made them into percentages.

Less than 1% were from bayonet or hand to hand fighting. I think the next one after that was either gas or rifle fire. The biggest killer was artillery.

So with this in mind it's puzzling that DICE would emphasize HTHC. Hopefully artillery plays a big big role in this.

>>29909022
>WW1
>magazines

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/05/04/bullets-collided-mid-air/

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>>29908957
What are the chances? No seriously someone figure it out.

>>29905852
>you walked into the wrong trench stalker

>>29905804
in the us maybe

>>29905804
Australians are generally interested in WW1 relative to the rest of the west, due, I would argue, to our traditions surrounding the Gallipoli campaign.

I was certainly interested in it.

>>29910032
should be like a mini boss
just shows up outta nowhere

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>>29905773
na m8 the shovels are super sharp from all the digging

>>29905804
Say what you will, but I never understood/learned much of the Eastern Front. Like, the fuck happened there to cause millions to die and feeling like commies were a better choice?

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>>29905804
Correction, normies didn't care about WW1 until EA made a game about it.

>>29910121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZqN1glz4JY

>>29906979

I went to the imperial war musuem recently

It was all modern art and pro refugee shit

the whole place was trash

one of the most disappointing places ive ever been

>>29910189
perhaps the last of the landed gentry should requisition the contents of museums before its too late
I mean they do need some way to draw a crowd

>>29905804
WWI was the war to judge the horrors of war by.

>>29910201
there is some duplicity with regard to this
>oh shit what a cluster fuck that was. ant never doing that again
moments later
>to not go to war would be an insult to the ideals these men fought for

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>>29905804
This is the end /thread boys!
I find it hilarious because I bought a 1917 a week before that trailer came out and have slowly started getting info over ww1 and watching films then EA RIPd cod a new asshole with ww1 game
where were you when cod died?

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>>29906190
>tfw when I lurk /k/ too much and also write for a newspaper
>interview Korean War vet, get into the details
>he had a BAR
>b-but I heard the BAR wasn't gud
>"well the chinks sure didn't like it"
>hearty kek on both ends and a "don't quote that"

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>>29905804
there's been like 40 threads here since the trailer asking about stupid shit like >>29905619

like gee, i wonder how much hand-to-hand was involved in a war that entirely consisted of CQC and dodging artillery?