ITT: British home guard weapons

>>29890767
DON'T BE A 'BOON BIN THAT SPOON!

>>29890767

Ban em saullt spoons

>>29890779
>>29890767
>>29890695

never change /k/. never change.

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>>29890695

>>29890767
ok i keked

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>>29890824
An improvised armoured lorry (a Bedford), this one appears to be armed with a COW 37mm gun, an automatic cannon developed originally for aircraft use (although it only ended up being used for a few flying boats). Many were put into use for airfield defence during the second world war (more against paratroopers than aircraft) as well as being issued to the Home Guard.
It had a RoF of around 90rpm and was effective out to around 4,500 yards.

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>>29890852
This is a bison 'mobile pill box', basically a commercial truck body with a concrete pill box on the flat bed, used for airfield defence and by home guard units.
Incredibly slow given how much it weighed, but it only had to drive a short distance before being used as a static strong point.

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>>29890869
Another improvised armoured lorry using a commercial chassis and possibly boiler/armour plate on top.
This one is armed with a Boys .50 AT rifle and most likely a Bren gun. Issued to home guard and RAF airfield defense.

>>29890869
That poor suspension

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard_(United_Kingdom)#.22Croft.27s_Pikes.22

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>>29890880
An interesting idea from a private individual, the Blacker Bombard was essentially a spigot mortar that fired a 20pound explosive charge that would have been effective against tanks in the early part of the war.
However its effective range was a pitiful 100 yards, it was muzzle loaded and the detonation of a round frequently sent fragments back at the crew. Ultimately it was issued due to a shortage of 2 pounder AT guns (most of which had been left in France) and was considered a stopgap until more could be produced.
It was issued to homeguard units (although there are stories of individual units trying to swap them, for example, for Thompson SMG's due to disliking the bombard) and was even used in small numbers in the Western Desert Campaign in anti-personnel role.
Whilst not a particularily effective weapon, it did show that the government was taking the HG seriously and was a boost to morale to ill equipped units.

(interestingly, the Blacker Bombard formed the basis for the much more successful 'Hedgehog' ASW).

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>>29890880
The Northover Projector was a crude anti-tank and anti-personnel weapon. Basically a hollow tube that fired either rifle and hand grenades or the No.76 Special Incendiary Grenade (pretty much a British Molotov cocktail) using a small quantity of black powder and a percussion cap.

The effective range was a paltry 100-150 yards, the No. 76 grenades tended to break in the chamber (with predictable results), it was heavy and the tripod it came with was incredibly prone to damage.

However as the majority of effective AT weapons had been left in France and any left were earmarked for the regular army, the Northover was brought into service, with some 19,000 being produced.

They were used until they could be replaced by 'marginally less ineffective' weapons.
>>29890885
Yes, as I said it was only suitable for short distances, I'd hate to actually drive anywhere.

>>29890909
Thank god that they probably weren't even issued, I think they were a little over zealous in following Churchill to the letter.

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>>29891007
The Smith Gun was an ad-hoc anti-tank and anti-infantry weapon that consisted of a smoothbore barrel that fired three inch mortar shells, with an effective range of 100-300 yards.
The gun was mounted between two wheels and had a gun shield, the idea being it could be towed behind a civilian car and set up rapidly.
However it was hard to tow and harder still to tip onto the correct side in a stable position.
It gained an initial reputation for killing or injuring its users and would have been almost laughable in combat, however, like other home guard 'innovations' it certainly boosted the moral of HG units it was issued to (once the fear of it killing them had been overcome).

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RULE BRITANNIA!

Didn't the American NRA collect fucktons of rifles from their American members that they shipped off to arm the British?

I remember reading something about that. I also heard that the US army were sending over any surplus weapons that fired metallic cartridges, so Colt SAA revolvers were fairly common among the home guard.

>>29891068
Can it fire onions?

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>>29890767
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN LADS

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>>29891119
>>29890767
RULE BRITANIA

>>29891119
>>29891125
Good job shitting up a thread about unconventional and interesting weapons, never change and never learn /k/.

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>>29891068
Here is an example of a heavily armed OP-GB (Oar Propelled Gun Boat) containing several HG members armed with rifles and a Lewis gun.

Home Guard units frequently improvised weapons and transport and whilst often they'd not be particularly effective in the event of an invasion it a) provided a considerable morale boost and b) allowed men who could not serve in the regular army to 'do their bit' and help the war effort.

>>29891141
It is sad how it's impossible to have threads on any subject that's even tangentially related to UK or Sweden without /pol/tards flooding and shitting it up.
I really wish they enforced the quarantine on /pol/ posting.

>>29891174
Its amazing just how spot on Dads Army was much of the time.

>>29891141
>>29891197

they were making a fucking joke, calm down

not everything can be blamed on the /pol/ boogeyman

>>29891220
A bit of banter is all well and good but having every single thread on the UK or Sweden flooded with SWEDEN YES posting, banned butter knifes, cuck memes and what have you is a more than a bit stale by now.

Anyone know if the stumpy cannon looking thing on the Wikipedia Home Guard page was a one off or if it was a factory produced and government issued weapon? I'm on a phone otherwise I'd have posted the pic.

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>>29891336
This one? Well it says improvised and looks dangerous as fuck to use so I am guessing home made.

>>29891336
You mean the green-painted thing?
I think it's a one-off made in the garage of some homeguard member.

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>>29890767
Came here for this. Leaving satisfied. Pic is obligatory /pol/ tier shit for bongs.

>>29891174
Next up is the Home Guard flamethrower, developed by the aptly named Petroleum Warfare Department.
The flamethrower was issued as a kit with do-it-yourself instructions and was designed to be transported on a locally built hand cart. It was more of an ambush/defensive weapon rather than an offensive one and if deployed correctly could have been formidable.

(on a side note the full range of 'wacky' weapons created by the PWD is an interesting area to study, 'anti-aircraft flamethrowers' are particularly harebrained).
>>29891108
You are correct indeed, the NRA did collect together and donate weapons to Britain after the Dunkirk evacuation, unfortunately they were destroyed after the war.
>>29891109
Given that its basically smoothbore cannon, yes, if you could fit it down the barrel, it could fire it.

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>>29891481
Woops, sorry forgot pic.

>>29891265
and that kind of reaction is why they keep doing it

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>>29891481
Here's a nice image, whilst it doesn't really show any weapons it does nicely represent the evolution of the Home Guard from 1940 to 1944. By the end of the war many HG units were manning AA guns, searchlights, coastal defenses, airfield defenses etc
>>29891216
Yup, although the quality of home guard units definitely varied.

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>>29891265
The banter always happens because the UK and Sweden are cucked to 11. The UK police are something that at one point would have been in a monty python sketch, and Sweden is trying to be so progressive that it doesn't give a shit what the consequences are.

Seriously. Look at pic related. 90% of those are fucking kitchen knives.

>>29891575
>"only cowards carry"
>cookie monster
i fucking hate that socialist island more and more every day

>>29891575
That's at a school numnuts.

>>29891336
>>29891377
That's the one. Thanks.

>>29891366
Someone shoop this into one of the @MPSHackney tweets about raiding some house for gardening implements

I'd do it but I'm on a phone

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>>29891574
I was going to continue but anyone is lurking/not shitposting I don't really see the point.

>>29891575
>The UK police are something that at one point would have been in a monty python sketch
Not really, they're mostly professional verging on boring, which is how I like my Police Officers.

>>29891575
A god damn filet knife lol

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>>29891723
A Home Guard unit in a motor boat in Edinburgh.
The boats were used to patrol the canals and rivers to protect industrial and warehouse buildings.

I'm probably just going to shift to general home guard pictures.

Awesome thread man, super interesting stuff. You never get to hear or read about these weapon systems the brits built for the HG since they never actually saw combat no one cares about them, kinda sad.

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>>29891748
A Sergeant of the Dorking Home Guard in Surrey polishing his Thompson before a parade.

>>29891624
If the kids at that school were carrying that many knives, they should probably stop the "go to America, get shot meme"... or you're a fucking moron.

>>29891850
Ok well, thanks for assuming that that's a meme that I buy into, nice projecting.

You've just told me (for some reason) to stay out of US politics and yet you and others like yourself flood any thread with the words 'UK', 'British', 'Bong' etc in with this stuff.
You don't see British people flooding every American centric flood on /k/ with anti-gun stuff.

It's honestly dull, unpredictable and generally bollocks.

Knives are very rarely mentioned and I use them every day at work, never had any problem with them. The news you and others seem to latch onto is usually the kind of shit they market to old people who enjoy being scared/angered by controversies, these aren't issues for 75% of the populace.

>>29891930
>You don't see British people flooding every American centric flood on /k/ with anti-gun stuff
Yes you fucking do

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>>29891781
Home Guard Members training with Lewis Guns.

>>29891947
>Yes you fucking do
Most are Americans trying to troll the easiest board to rile, been guilty of fueling it myself a few times.

>>29891947
Oh please, no you fucking don't.
Show me one, ONE, archived thread where British shitposters have flooded it with 'hurrrrr burgers shoot school kids' to the point where they're the majority and the thread is de-railed.
Go on, I'll wait, if you can find more than two I'll go jump in front of a bus.

Its just tired, there's nothing new, fine, you think Britain is 'cucked' (completely the wrong fucking use of the word), we get it, its boring now. It's literally a /b/ tier of obsession now, I though /k/ was full of adults, guess I was mistaken.

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>>29891957
Home guardsmen armed with a Bren and a Thompson.

>>29892014
Odd how many homeguard had Thompsons, I would have thought Stens would have been more common.

>>29891947

Nobody really knows since flags aren't on /k/ (and let it stay that way).

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity/trolling.

>>29892035
Stens went to regular troops.

Thompsons by the middle of the war weren't needed and the ammo being different from regular British stocks made more sense to give to the second string.

>>29891990
Somebody is a little butthurt about his cuck country. :^)

>>29892014
Reading Home Guard traversing the infamous 'Blitz Course'.
>>29892035
At the time it was the only SMG the British had in any numbers, so some would have been issued.
Once the STEN came into production in 1941 they were actually issued to Home Guard units and their Thompsons were quickly transferred to the regular army (the peak of Thompsons in circulation in the HG was around 40,000), especially Commandos.
Apparently STEN's eventually comprised 40% of the HG's armoury.
(I got the info from this PDF, its a study on arming the Home Guard:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjavO6W483MAhVEJ8AKHdsnBV4QFgggMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk%2Fbitstream%2F1826%2F6164%2F1%2FClarke%2520D%2520M%2520PhD.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFbKHX09cuPMp_PSGknxs3fKTNJwQ&sig2=d1AgXM6S9_uAFn5zjmzzGg).

>>29892141
So you can't find a single thread full of British shitposters de-railing it then?

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>>29892156
Woops, forgot pic again.

>>29892172

Ah, don't feed him.

He's just a memetard.

>>29892156
>https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjavO6W483MAhVEJ8AKHdsnBV4QFgggMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk%2Fbitstream%2F1826%2F6164%2F1%2FClarke%2520D%2520M%2520PhD.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFbKHX09cuPMp_PSGknxs3fKTNJwQ&sig2=d1AgXM6S9_uAFn5zjmzzGg)

Fucking saved, thanks anon. This thread has been shit up by the usual trolls but I have learned a few cool things today.

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>>29892185
Sorry, I'm easily rustled.
>>29892182
A sixty year old home guardsman you'd probably not one to fuck with.
He weighs 11 stone, the barbell and men weigh 39 stone.

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>>29891781

And now they won't trust us with a butter knife.

How far we have fallen.

>>29892182
>>foot caught by barbed wire

ouch.

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>>29892241
A Home Guard sniper from the 25th Battalion London Home Guard demonstrates an improvised camouflage suit made from sacking.
>>29892193
No worries, glad someone appreciates it.
This is fairly interesting in its own right too:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/real-dads-army-vintage-photos-britains-home-guard-ww2-1542237

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>>29891781

Great pic.

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>>29892267
An improvised armoured car in use by the Home Guard, doesn't look too dissimilar to some of the improvised vehicles coming out of Syria.
The window glass has been replaced with metal plates equipped with firing slits and improvised armour has been placed over the radiator and windscreen, I'm unsure as to whether or not the sides are armoured.
>>29892259
Well it was an infamous course!

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>>29892287
Two Home Guardsmen practicing with Thompsons on a rifle range at Western Command. The man with the Thompson shouldered looks like he means business.
>>29892285
Thanks, I wonder whether or not he fought in the First World War?

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>>29892309
A (large) number of home guardsmen escorting the crew of a shot down He-111 bomber. The crew bailed out of their stricken aircraft and were picked up by local home guardsmen.

>>29892267
It took me a second to see him

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I don't really have any home guard stuff, but I have a few of the "oddball" things the Brits designed in a hurry to defend the home islands with that are much in the same vein of "bodge it together".

However I'll start with my one Home Guard thing you haven't covered. The Fougass Mine. These were essentially pipes or holes dug into the sides of the dense England roads and filled with flammable liquids normally used in flamethrowers, or shrapnel.

Convoy passes by, and WHOOSH.

As the picture demonstrates, Fougasse Mines did not fuck around. Probably one of the most effective Home Guard designs early on. Think IEDs that unleash a fuckhuge ball of flame instead.

>>29892262
>blame the pakis for your retarded government

only a retard would be so stupid to do that.

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>>29892330
Three home guardsmen pose with the wreckage of a Messerschmidt shot down over South-East England in 1940.

>>29890779
Brits would likely just say LOON for the ryhme.

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>>29892341

The Gun Carrier, 3-inch, Mk I, Churchill (A22D). A rapidly constructed self propelled gun on the early Churchill chassis, intended for home island defence and never deployed overseas. Around 50 were made, and armed with a 3 inch (76mm) gun and with 88mm of armour on the front. Clearly just a rushed design to get bigger guns ready to fire.

They arrived sort of late to the "defend the homeland" party as they ended up being brought out in 1942, however the intentions behind them were made at the time when it was still unknown if the UK would be fighting on its own soil.

As a result, it could be considered a sort of "late defence" design, one that would have seen combat further into an invasion, presuming it hadn't already been thrown back.

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>>29892357
>>29892341
They look like they've been cobbled together, but I would not have wanted to be anywhere in front of it when it went off, especially in a Panzer.
Apparently they purposefully chose either choke points or sunken roads (so that the flaming liquid would pool under vehicles and infantry).

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>>29892393

Remember the notorious Home Guard Smith Gun mentioned above?

Well they fitted it to a Universal Carrier too. No shortage of the carriers, but not enough 2-Pounders to go around.

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>>29892400
Members of the Home Guard Thames River patrol c. 1940.
Notice the almost certainly private firearms.

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>>29892411

And here's an oddity.

A Blacker Bombard...on a Sherman. Or at least a discussion about it.

Document has 1944 written on the front, but that is almost certainly not the document's real era.

God only knows what was going through their heads to think this up.

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>>29892413
A member of the LRV (Local Defense Volunteer, a forerunner of the Home Guard) being instructed on rifle use in Surrey.
>>29892411
From what I've read, they tried it once then shelved the idea, can't say I'd fancy my chances using one in a UC.

>>29891957
wow silenced mg

>>29892413
I wonder if those firearms were given to them by Americans?

Lots of Americans gave up a firearm to the British, probably to the home guard.

>tfw brits with American firearms

>>29892413
Hitler stache, that poor bastard must have been tormented daily by the local kids.

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>>29890695
>home guard
Actually seems pretty cool. Too bad the UK would sooner prostitute the queen than have anything like that in the modern era.

What happened Britain? You used to be cool...

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>>29892431
Its available from the national archives (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1241025) but it's not been digitised unfortunately.
>>29892440
A Hotchkiss Mk I* M1909 .303 inch light machine gun, initially used in World War One, but issued to Home Guard units during the second world war.

>>29892485
>Actually seems pretty cool. Too bad the UK would sooner prostitute the queen than have anything like that in the modern era.
Too bad you are a fool otherwise you would know about the TA.

>>29891481
>You are correct indeed, the NRA did collect together and donate weapons to Britain after the Dunkirk evacuation, unfortunately they were destroyed after the war.
You are wrong, /k/ has memed too hard. I know several prominent sportsmen in America actually asked for their rifles to be returned after the war, and they actually were.

>>29892495

Sssh, we're calling it the Army Reserve now so they know they might go abroad!

Don't tell them!

>>29892462
Joke right?
>>29892464
No,those are privately owned firearms, plenty of side by side shotguns back then (and now) plus pistol ownership was pretty common. Don't forget, the First World War finished not much over 20 years before, many officers for example, had their service revolvers still and these, along with other private weapons were pressed into Home Guard use.
>>29892473
Bit of a misnomer really, it was a popular mustache at the time at the time, it became quickly unpopular for obvious reasons.
I guess they may have taken the piss, but they'd have risked a thick ear for their trouble.
>>29892488
Apologies for the watermarks, but I couldn't find one without.
Two Home Guard launches armed with Lewis Guns patrolling inland waterways somewhere in England, November 1940.

>>29892495
>reservists
>volunteer civilian units

You moron, there's a painfully evident difference between reserve units that are trained in the same institutions as professional militaries, wear and hold the same ranks, use weapons that belong to the army, and are bound by military codes of conduct and a bunch of farmers with shotguns and armbands in the OP.

>>29892497
Many were destroyed after the war, I was wrong about them ALL being destroyed.
Additionally I'd hardly call it a meme, incorrect information is not automatically a 'meme'.

>>29892485
>Too bad the UK would sooner prostitute the queen than have anything like that in the modern era.
Too bad that we don't need one right now and never will again, hence why it doesn't and won't exist.

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>>29892539

>>29892542
>nd a bunch of farmers with shotguns and armbands in the OP.
Those did not last long, the Home Guard soon took on the same ranks, uniforms and rules as the regular army. Failing to salute a Home Guard Officer if you were a regular could get you in the same shit since they held the kings commission. Careful who you call a moron, that glass house you are in is pretty fragile.

>>29892552
I thought it was private weapons were returned or allowed for purchase and government property was sunk.

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>>29892571
British Home Guard preparing defenses, most likely in conjunction with a stop line.

>>29892309
Churchill did indeed fight in the First World War. Following the failed Gallipoli Campaign he resigned as First Lord of the Admiralty in 1915 and in 1916 was put in command of the Sixth Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers on the Western Front.

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>>29892574
>careful who you call a moron

>2016
>being an Internet toughguy

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>>29892578
I'm not sure if I'm going to be honest, they definitely sent back some (e.g. the target rifle of a Olympic medalist) but I thought the rest were destroyed. They almost certainly destroyed government issued ones.
Really I ought to shut my mouth until I can dig up some hard evidence.
>>29892583
Home Guardsmen going through a grenade drill.
Note the interesting use of a locomotive inspection pit/ashpit as a ready made trench.

>>29892562
>praise the queen war is over!

I'm so glad Canada is no longer associated with this shithole.

>>29892353
Not him but where did he "blame the Pakis"?

>>29892574
Careful who you threaten over the interwebs. I'll report you to the local police for fork possession.

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>>29892647
Oh I knew that, sorry, I meant the older man polishing his Thompson on the kitchen table!
>>29892659
Home Guard members training on a 1917 Browning.

>>29890695
"Dad's Army"
Absolutely loved that show growing up in England.
God I feel old...

>>29892675
Your comment makes absolutely no sense.
The Home Guard only came about due to a fear of invasion from a hostile foreign state, even suggesting that we're 'cucked' for not re-instating them is just ridiculous.

Nor could they ever be re-enacted, any future scenario where a hostile nature is lon the verge of invasion isn't going to be stopped by giving old men SA80's and molotovs.
Please stop being retarded.

>>29892473
Used to be called the "Chaplin" as in Charlie (paintbrush mustache iirc)... until Hilter fucked that style to death

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>>29892705
A British Home Guard unit manning a 40mm Bofors AA gun in 1943.
By this point the HG was a far cry from its initial ramshackle origins.

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>>29892752
Another improvised armoured vehicle in use by the Home Guard. This time with an incredibly suspicious looking 'turret', most likely armed with what looks like a water cooled Vickers .303 MG.

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>>29892789
Not the Home Guard, but it was sat there and I think its close enough for an excuse to post it.
An ATS (Auxiliary Territorial Service) girl serving at a 3.7 inch anti-aircraft gun battery.

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>>29892807
And another ATS member.

>>29891723
Serious question, is this an authentic wartime picture, or are those home guard re-enactors...because if they are, I don't think I will want to go on living.

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>>29892815
The LMS Home Guard taking shelter behind an LMS locomotive during an exercise.

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>>29892865
Of course they're Home Guard.
>I don't think I will want to go on living
Why? Its two men messing about for the camera, of course they're not in tip top shape, they'd be in the army if they were.
Really though, over a half of the HG were under 27 and a third were under 18, not all old men.

>>29892897
A surprisingly well armed group of Home Guard sporting a Thompson, Bren and a Browning Automatic Rifle.

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>>29892967
Men of the 5th (Doncaster) Battalion of the Home Guard under attack by an 'enemy dive bomber' (really a Miles Magister trainer) during an exercise.

>>29892539
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/650257/posts

>Help for the beleaguered nation came from both the American government and from the American people, the latter through the "American Committee for Defense of British Homes." In late 1940, the committee sent an urgent appeal -- which, of course, appeared in American Rifleman -- for Americans to send "Pistols - Rifles - Revolvers - Shotguns - Binoculars" because "British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes." Thousands of arms were collected and sent to England, one of which was a .30-'06 Model 1903 target rifle owned by Major John W. Hession. Hession was one of the pre-eminent highpower rifle target shooters of his day, and he used that rifle to win Olympic gold at Bisley Camp in England in 1908. The rifle, unlike the majority sent, was returned and can now be viewed int he national Firearms Museum.

The U.S. Government responded to Britain's peril as well with passage of the Lend-Lease Act in March 1941. Almost immediately, quantities of "U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1" were on their way across the Atlantic, and those guns are the subject of an article by noted M1 Garand historian Scott Duff starting on p. 42. The "British Garands" have an interesting history but the importance of arming the British at that time is made clear by the fact that the rapidly growing U.S. Army itself did not have sufficient numbers of the then-new M1 Garands. Winston Churchill wrote in Their Finest Hour: "When the ships from America approached our shores with their priceless arms, special trains were waiting in all ports to receive their cargoes. The Home Guard in every county, in every village, sat up through the night to receive them. ... By the end of July we were an armed nation ... ."

>>29893133
>Now, sadly, Britain is again a disarmed nation, where even Olympic athletes wanting to represent their country cannot own a handgun and where an act of self-defense can land a subject in jail. As with virtually all rifles and handguns, those likely few remaining guns sent to England in its time of desperate need have been confiscated and destroyed. Despite the very near enslavement of England being so close a mere six decades ago, the lesson of the false promises of gun control and personal disarmament were not learned.

>>29891092
>hurr that country at war alone used sticks for drill hurr
Like other countries weren't doing the same thing

>>29892967
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard_(United_Kingdom)#Equipment_and_training

The U.S. National Rifle Association collected and shipped large numbers of privately donated rifles for use by the Home Guard. These were collected and destroyed after the war.[51][52] Within a few months they were issued proper uniforms and equipment, as the immediate needs of the regular forces were satisfied. After September 1940 the army began to take charge of the Home Guard training in Osterley, and Wintringham and his associates were gradually sidelined. Wintringham resigned in April 1941. Ironically, despite his support of the Home Guard, Wintringham was never allowed to join the organisation himself because of a policy barring membership by communists and fascists.

>>29893170
>These were collected and destroyed after the war.


Thanks Britain.

>>29893170
>These were collected and destroyed after the war
fuck the UK was already a bunch of Cucks

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>>29893170
Are you replying to the right person?
>>29893185
>>29893198

>>29892993
Home Guard members with a wide variety of weapons.

Great contribution to the thread guys.

>>29892353

I don't know if you give a white person a butter knife they probably aren't going to try and mug someone with it.

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>>29893198

They let their people have guns once, it didn't turn out well for the crown, the state, or the aristocracy.

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Home Guard march past with new American weapons, 11 September 1940. (L-R)
M1918 Marlin tank machine gun; M1915 Vickers; M1917 Lewis gun; Browning M1917
machine gun; M1918 BAR. Behind the BAR a Home Guard is carrying a tripod, behind
him is what appears to be a Hotchkiss LMG, or possibly the US version, the model
1909Benét-Mercié. (IWM H 4058)

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>>29893485
American Look magazine, 30 December 1941, was devoted to pundits’ predictions for the coming year. The image shows a Home Guard armed with a British .303 Mk I Lewis gun and, almost hidden by the caption, a P’08 Parabellum 'Luger' pistol, probably a First World War trophy.

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>>29891575
>UK and Sweden are cucked to 11
Can't deny that but sometimes I just want to talk about CV90s or M90 camo without the thread derails into /pol/tier cuck posting.
We have /pol/ for that.

>>29891575
What do you expect the police to seize from criminals? NOT the move common knife used as a weapon?

>>29891575
It happens because you can't not let yourself be triggered and just shut the fuck up or take it to the proper board. Coward.

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>>29893508
A low serial number Remington-made M1903 ‘Springfield’, supplied to the UK under the Lend-Lease scheme in 1942 and returned to the United States in 1955. The barrel is dated 12/41, the receiver February 1942. Note the mismatched top hand guard (the red stripe is stepped) indicating the woodwork came from two different weapons. The complex US M1907 leather sling did see Home Guard service, and is typical of the US military’s obsession with technical marksmanship. Many of these slings ended up on Lee-Enfield No.4(T) and L42 sniper rifles.

>>29890695
this is a joke right?

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>>29893535
The definitive Home Guard personal weapon during the period from late-1940 to late-1943, an Eddystone manufactured M1917. US-pattern accessories included the complicated patent Kerr ‘NobuckL’ sling, M1917 bayonet, cleaning kit-cum-oil bottle (‘thong case’ in US terminology) with a weighted pull-through (‘thong’) and bristle brush. Also shown are a wartime diecast .300 drill round, with a .303 drill round for comparison, and one of a pair of the distinctive Home Guard pattern ammunition pouches. Each rifleman was issued with 50 rounds of .300 ammunition, here displayed using inert rounds and empty cases. The three brass chargers are correct for pre-war manufactured ammunition. The books are Lt. Col. Barlow’s The Elements of Rifle Shooting, Hertfordshire Home Guard instructor’s course notes, including ‘shooting with the P.17’, and The Home Guard Pocket Manual.

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>>29893556
A trench mortar or bomb-thrower based on a Mle 1885 8mm Guedes rifle mechanism. The ‘toffee apple’ bomb is modern and entirely conjectural, however the bore is extremely narrow for any other sort of projectile. Guedes rifles were built by OEWG in Austria for the Portuguese government, but the single shot design was overtaken by magazine rifle technology, and most went instead to South Africa. Thus this Second World War Home Guard weapon is built on the receiver of a Boer War trophy.

>>29891575
>only cowards carry

but leftists always told me that carrying or even owning a weapon makes you and your loved ones much more likely to be victims of weapon related violence. You would have to be pretty brave to carry a weapon knowing that just being around a weapon will make bad things happen.

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>>29893588
Illustration of the Selfigniting phosphorous grenade from US Army technical manual TM31-200-1 of April 1966. Note that the grenade is incorrectly described as a ‘hand or rifle grenade’, rather than ‘hand or projector’, the projector in question being the Northover (see Chapter 7). SIP grenades were never fired from rifle grenade dischargers, as the result of the bottle shattering (a not infrequent occurrence) would have been catastrophic for the firer.

No Bat Guano in this thread?

/k/ what have you done?

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>>29893629
Regular Army troops man a 29mm Spigot Mortar on its mobile mounting in a weapon pit – an illustration from the 1942 manual. It is clear from this picture why the spigot mortar’s legs needed to be both strong and long. In action great efforts were made to camouflage the position and thus preserve the element of surprise.

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>>29893657
Home Guards on Merseyside loading a Mk I ‘Z’ projector, 6 July 1942.
Got all of these from "Arming the British Home Guard, 1940-1944" which goes into an insane level of detail on Home Guard weapons.

>>29891575
>Seriously. Look at pic related. 90% of those are fucking kitchen knives.
You think Jamal is going to spend a bunch of cash on a custom tactical folder?
That is what the average pile of confiscated knives look like, because a large part of knife related crimes are committed with what is on hand in the heat of the moment.

>>29892241
>He weighs 11 stone, the barbell and men weigh 39 stone.
Stop talking in cavemen units.

one of the best threads i have withnessed on /k/ thanks op

>>29891007
>"marginally less ineffective"

It sounds so british it hurts

To the anon(s) who carried on posting interesting /k/ related material, thank you and may the /k/ube be with you. To the /pol/tards, fuck off. Daily reminder that there is no functional difference between poltards and tumblrinas.

>>29893854
Agreed, always like seeing old photos of weird and unusual stuff.

Cool thread anon

Bumping so I can save these pictures when I get home

>>29892897
Those P14s make my dingle tingle. Thanks.

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Here's a Ross Rifle used by the Home Guard. Canada shipped a bunch over, and this one managed to return later.

>>29891990
>>29893782

>>29891366
Notice how the one bottle has film as a wick. Nitrate film is super flammable

>>29894258
I wonder if it would burn long enough to actually be effective.
Chemical ignition is almost always more reliable, with flares or even storm matches a close second.

>>29891092

Japan was just about to do the same thing.

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>>29890695

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>>29890695

>>29890695
Funny, those guys are better armed than your average British Citizen these days

>>29895355
Better armed than most of /k/, at least 2/7 have a firearm.

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>>29890695

>>29890695
Get Wilson to have a chat with Private Walker and they'll have proper arms soon enough.

These guys would have been raped by the volksstrum.

>>29895501
>volksstrum
Set up in the final year of WW2 with only a few months to equip, organize and train them? Sure........ At least the Home Guard had 6 years to prepare.

>>29895501

For every unit of Volksstrum that were WWI veterans armed with proper weapons, there was several units of plebians that didn't know what they were doing.

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>>29895546
>Don't tell him your name, Pike!
Your name is going on zee list too!

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>>29895558
Now there are none

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Just think. Privately owned firearms sent by Americans to the British, during ww2, were seized and melted. Instead of being used to remove Parliament.

>>29891781
Me on the right

>>29896092
>Privately owned firearms sent by Americans to the British, during ww2, were seized and melted.
I think that is enough for casus belli.

I knew a guy (just read his obituary a few weeks ago) who had been a Home Guard soldier as a teen in WWII.

He had five live rounds of .303, rifle, and bayonette. Pretty much the talk was "make the five count and then beat feet".

He and his guys knew what the deal was. They were a delaying force- nothing more.

>>29890852
Looks like a hotchkiss machine gun.

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>>29893827
Those were the units given.
>>29894063
No worries.
>>29893902
Thanks, it helps to plow on through it.
>>29894169
>one comment is equivalent to relentless, none stop shitposting and thread derailing every time 'British' is mentioned
>>29893707
Was that this one (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjavO6W483MAhVEJ8AKHdsnBV4QFgggMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk%2Fbitstream%2F1826%2F6164%2F1%2FClarke%2520D%2520M%2520PhD.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFbKHX09cuPMp_PSGknxs3fKTNJwQ&sig2=d1AgXM6S9_uAFn5zjmzzGg)?
I got some interesting info from it earlier in the thread.
>>29896407
Nope, its COW 37mm gun.

>>29893249
What I believe to be Home Guard members on motorbikes equipped with what may be improvised armoured side cars.
They are armed with Lewis guns that have had the cooling shrouds removed.

>>29898731
>Was that this one?
Yep, that's the one. A bit on the long side but the best source of information on the Home Guard I have found.

>>29893790
Jamal should really switch to improvised explosives, fucking cucks always suck at everything.

>>29898731
>none stop shitposting and thread derailing every time 'British' is mentioned
Given how you faggots act about Americans elsewhere on this website I'd say it's fair

>>29898809
I usually just grab them for specific points but I actually bothered reading the entire thing since its so in depth.
>>29899052
I was talking about /k/ and /k/ alone, nice goalpost moving though.
I don't visit other boards aside from /o/ occasionally, my 4chan experience is pretty much British shitposting free.

>>29893902
Y u mad Ahmed?

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>>29891125
>Your doing Gods work out there. Lost my mother to a bike wheel.
>Thank you, and we're very sorry to hear that.

>>29900905

I'm still not quite sure if these things are serious or some sort of satire.

>>29890824

>dem bars

>>29892440

What rifle is he using? Doesn't look like a Lee-Enfield

>>29890695
This was a great thread, even with the shitposting. Thanks OP

>>29903560
P17 in .30-06, I believe.