Biplane thread

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Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEf-Vn-vfE

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Henschell 123.

These things were due for replacement around 1938, but many soldiered on as late as 1944. There was simply no need to replace them, they were too reliable and sturdy.

>le still manage to shoot down BF109s even though im a obsolete biplane

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"The Last Butcher?"

Schlachtflieger units were an interesting bunch.

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>>29868688
>me
>incharge of attaching photos

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>>29868696
Begone, monoplane filth.

>tatatatatatatatatatatatatatata

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Tarrant Tabor. Britain, 1919. The company that built it had no experience at building planes, their profile was architecture. This was their first plane.

>>29868722
Holy fuck, could that thing actually fly?

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>>29868729

No.

>>29868693
>>29868706
What the fuck is going on here

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Faith, Hope, Charity, Desperation and all that.

Faith, Malta.

>>29868729
If by fly you mean crash on its first test flight with no survivors, yeah sure it could fly

>>29868742
Lol

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>>29868744

It is the plane of a Schlachtflieger. Luftwaffe ground attack squadrons flew all kinds of aircraft, from FW-190's, Messers and Stukas to obsolete craft hauled out of storage. Older planes than the He-123 have flown combat missions over the Eastern Front, like the Heinkel 50.

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Hungarian CR-42. It wasn't a plane to be underestimated; the Magyars had a kill to loss ratio of 12-1 with it in 1941-42.

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Cold War jet biplane crop duster anyone?

>>29868848
fukkin poles are insane

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Avia B-534. This loveable little bundle of Czechoslovakian engineering was considered to be among the best fighters of the thirties. It participated in one of the last larger scale biplane-to-biplane dogfights during the Slovak-Hungarian border skirmishes in early 1939. Although it had better performance than the Hungarian CR-32's, the Hungarians had better tactics; the newly formed Slovakian Air Force lost a lot of planes.

The B-534 was still in service in 1944, it took part in the Slovakian National Revolution and Bulgarian B-534's actually engaged USAAF bombers during the Ploiesti raids.

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Hungarian Cr-32, thirties.

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>>29868863
They have lucid moments when they're very, very good at stuff. That doesn't happen often enough.

One of these took Bismark.

What do you guys think of these kit plane replicas of old biplanes? Real warbirds are pretty expensive, but down the road, when I can afford my pilot's license, I was thinking about a Dr.1 or something.
>Tfw Harvards are too expensive
Aside from something like a Stearman, are there any cool "warbird"-ish biplanes that the average pilot could afford?

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>>29868934

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>>29868934
>replica WW1 plane
Don't. You will die. Seriously, I was talking to some guys at a museum with a "flyable" Sopwith Triplane. They took it out once, with a former fighter pilot flying it, after they decided it's never flying again.

Those planes are hilariously light, and they mount rotary engines, meaning well over a third of your planes' weight is spinning at several hundred rpm in the nose.

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You might have heard about the Night Witches; Russian pilot girls who used to harass the Wehrmacht with Po-2's. The Germans did the same to the Soviets, although with male pilots; night harassment sorties to deprive the enemy from one of the most valuable thing a soldier may have: a good sleep. They were effective too; the enemy tended to be less active in a sector where such a night raid unit operated.

Arado 66, Eastern Front.

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>>29868934
>>29868996

I heard good things about the Flitzer biplane. Okay, it isn't quite an exact replica, but from what I heard it is easy to build and cheap to maintain. I exchanged letters with the designer, Lynn Williams. He's a very helpful guy. I'm tempted to build one of these little fuckers one day.

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>>29868934
Don't know about prices but a yellow one has you a warbird and Thunderbird Six all in one.

>>29868934
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/pix/biplane.html
Want to build one?
>>29869047
I second this, know a guy with a Tiger Moth, he loves it.
>Thunderbird 6
F.A.B. bro.

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http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/448/Biplane-Hurricane.aspx

>>29868996
I'd swap it for a radial or something. I'm aware of the gyroscopic effects.
>>29869047
>>29869066
Tiger Moths are sex, but aren't they incredibly rare? I always liked them, but I'm a filthy Syrup, and the only Moth I've seen was in a museum, which is why I mentioned Stearmans. A Harvard would be my dream, but while I could afford one, I bet the costs to run it and maintain it would be overwhelming.
>>29869033
That is so goddamn kawaii, but not my style.

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German Riesenflugzeug concept, WW1. Zee Germans were seriously considering their plausibility. They figured if something as large as a Zeppelin Staaken can fly, something even larger could also take off.

That was in a time when even the youngest pilots were born before the Wright Brothers "invented" the airplane.

Fun fact: the Wright Brothers were absolute cunts. But that is another story.

>>29869108
>I'd swap it for a radial or something. I'm aware of the gyroscopic effects.
Technically, it IS a radial. The difference is which parts rotate compared to which parts don't.
>Canadian
Sorry, not sure about the market up there. Posing the question again though, are you up for building your own? There are a couple of wooden biplane kits out there, and you could simply bolt on a radial engine since most kits come without an engine.
>mfw my father is a world famous warbird mechanic
>grew up around glorious radials
>used to have an inside seat with Rare Bear air racing

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Hungarian 'Gerle'. The designer, Antal Banhidi started designing it all by himself in November, 1929. The plans were complete by May, 1930 and the prototype was flying by September.

It turned out to be an extremely friendly plane; it did aerobatics almost immediately after the first takeoff. Only 17 were built. All were destroyed in WW2, one was rebuilt from the wreckages after the war, but "disappeared" in 1950. One was sold to South America before the war and who knows, it might still be there in a barn or something.

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>>29869108
Tiger Moths are a bit like castles here, you can't get to the shops without making a detour because someone thoughtlessly parked one in the way.
They're there to be had :)

Don't know about these.

>>29868638
>Barling Bomber
>Looks awesome
>Shit performance

Fuuuuug.

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A replica of the Gerle-12 still flies. From what I read, it had to be held back from doing aerobatics on its maiden flight. Like if it was sentient or something and it WANTED to have fun.

The machine spirit was pleased, I guess. Praise the Omnissiah.

Idle curiosity, but would it be feasible to design and/or build a biplane with a push-pull configuration?

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First guys to cross the Atlantic and crash land in Ireland.
Alcock and Brown and their surplus Vickers Vimy.

>>29869295
OK, that maybe the repop.

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>>29869290
You need to consider the centre of thrust and that of lift but by the time you get to cutting you'll know all that.
Pic slightly ot.

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>>29869295

Fun fact: apart from John Alcock and Arthur Brown, the crew also consisted of two kittens.

Pic semi-related. The ship cat of HMS Vindex.

>>29869195
I'd prefer to not build my own. I know kits can be bought pre-built.
>>29869239
I'm also a tall guy, so as much as both the Tiger Moth and Chipmunk give me huge planeboners, I'd likely be a bit tall (6 foot 4). :<

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Curtiss Jenny. A lot of these were sold to the civilian market after WW1, some for as low as 50 dollars. And so began the golden age of barnstorming.

For many American pilots (quite a few of them were WW1 veterans) the Great Depression started well before 1929, making a living with such a plane was very difficult. A barnstormer was asked once what the greatest danger they face is and he said that the biggest danger is that they may starve to death.

Job opportunities available were:
-Selling your fucking plane, quitting aviation and getting a real job.
-Entertaining rural denizens with plane rides, stunts, wing walking and such.
-Smuggling alcohol.
-Becoming a postal pilot. New positions opened up regularly due to the fact that postal aviation was ridiculously dangerous in the 1920's and crashes were common. The package has to be delivered regardless of the weather. You take off or you are fired.
-Going to China and becoming a mercenary for one of the warlords.
-Stunt flying for one of the Hollywood film studios. Studios at the time used to deliberately wreck Curtiss Jennies for film shots since they were so cheap. Stunt pilots were cheap as well.

>>29869136
Such a big aeroplane? Why, it's madness I tell you!

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>>29868625
rolly polikarpov

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>>29869694

Nothing iz impossible if zee honour of zee Vaterland demands it! Ze German genius vill find a way to make zis werk!

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Hey fags what's up.

When I was younger I had a second set of wings, thank FUCK I'm through that phase. You guys don't even know.

I gotta go now though, I'm off to style all over the pacific.

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>Our fleets of giant bombers will blacken the skies above Paris and London! We shall pulverize the Entente to dust!

>Their arrogance shall be no more and they will realize the futility of resisting the will of the Reich!

>Indeed. The will face the wrath of the Kaiser and our flying cruisers shall deliver it unto them!

>The puny French and the... ...uh, villainous British will cower in fear and will beg for our mercy!

>Ach, that felt good. Okay, midday break is over, back to the drawing board.

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>>29869825
REEEEEE MONOPLANES GET OUT

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Hungarian Weiss-Manfred WM-21 light bombers.

I like obscure and underrated aircraft, my autism folder is full of them.

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Lloyd 40.08 Luftkreuzer. Hungary, 1916-17.

>>29869328
Remove the turrets and that plane is among the sexiest ever.

>>29869872
Didn't the Hungarians also have a really neat anti-tank weapon by the end of the war.
Basically a bigger Panzerfaust on a light carriage

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De Havilland reporting in.

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How viable would this plane be in real life? The engine placement seems a bit suspect to me.

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>>29869924

>>29869938
Shit visibility

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>>29869938
It'd work surprisingly well, actually, considering it's based off of the Macchi M.33. Your biggest concern is visibility, which you'd make better by dropping the wing a bit.

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>>29869923

They did. 44M Buzoganyveto, look it up. If deployed two years earlier, the Soviets lose the Battle of Kursk.

More Tarrant Tabor.

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>>29869938

That's normal for a seaplane, the cockpit placement is pretty shitty though.

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>>29869958
It looks like it would tip forward as soon as you turned on the engine because of the way weight is distributed

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Go here.
http://www.shuttleworth.org/the-collection/
When they get the toys out it is extraordinary.

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The reading of Charley's War Issue 12 is mandatory for all.

In fact, reading the entire series should be mandatory for all, but Issue 12 is very related to this thread.

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>>29870012

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People tend to imagine biplanes as small things. Some where quite massive actually.

Czech Aero 100. The Czechoslovakian Air Force was a force to be reckoned with back in the thirties, the Luftwaffe took them seriously. Goering was bluffing when he threathened to level Prague, it is not certain whether the Luftwaffe could have pulled it off in 1938.

>>29868666
That's not why they kept it, they were put back into service as nuisance bombers, like the Russians were using.

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"If you can fly a Sopwith Camel then you can fly anything." - James Bigglesworth .

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Letov S 238, another Czech tactical bomber.

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Ladies, please!
Contain your orgasms.

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>>29869978
>the soviets lose the Battle of Kursk
I highly doubt that since those AT launchers looked defensive in nature and the Soviet success was due to their defense, the Germans were on the offensive.

Lets not get off topic though, anyone got biplane racers?

my God everything is WW1 since that Battlefield trailer...

>>29870324
well at least is not infinite warfare posting

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Fun fact: if you were a British pilot in WW1 you were almost as likely to die in training as in combat. If you survived what passed for pilot training, your life expectancy was around three weeks.

Also, in the early years of WW1 there was an effort to keep the lower classes out. If you wanted to become a combat pilot, you needed a recommendation from the Royal Aero Club which was almost as expensive as the yearly wage of a factory worker.

Volunteers were encouraged to bring their own aircraft to training.

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>>29870324
Hey, fuckstick, a) Biplanes aren't just World War One and b) Biplane threads existed before Battlefield 1.
Rather than shitting up a thread that isn't about Battlefield 1, how about you contribute or fuck off.

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Fun fact no.2: The majority of RFC aces were Canadians, South Africans and Australians.

Especially Canadians.

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WW1 pilots were often superstitious.

Whe Guynemer received a better plane, he gave it the same name as the old one: Old Charles.

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this is one of my favorites. fokker d.ix it's basically the ultimate development of the d.vii, built in 1921. the axle fairing is so thick because it contains a fuel tank.

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Mascots were common. Eugene Bullard, the first African-American fighter pilot had a monkey.

>inb4 /pol/

He survived the war and opened a bar in Paris, he called it “L’Escadrille.”

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>>29870366
Twenty minuters...
Because that's their average life expectancy.
WOOF WOOF!

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Edwin Parsons had a stuffed black cat wired to the struts of his SPAD. He refused to fly without it, claiming that it took a bullet once that was intended for him. When his plane was destroyed in an air raid along with the stuffed cat, he refused to fly until he found another cat.

He survived the war, worked in Hollywood as a technical consultant, joined the navy reserve and became a rear admiral.

how 2 build biplane? pls help

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Von Richthofen refused to fly without his favorite scarf and jacket and he never allowed to be photographed before going on a sorties. Except for one time: his last flight.

>>29868934
If you can afford a stearman then you have a bunch of options, a decent one goes for 90-100k. Just get a replica DR1 or replica Camel.

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How they ever hoped to hit cows with that thing ...

>>29868872
>Bulgarian B-534's actually engaged USAAF bombers during the Ploiesti raids.
neat

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The Hungarian Jozsef Kis scored 19 victories on the Italian front, 9 of these by forcing the enemy to land to be captured. This counted as a kill back then. He was chivalrious like that, he wanted to destroy the plane instead of the pilot, who is another living human being.

He longed to become an officer, but for a long time he was denied promotion because of his lack of schooling and low family background (his father was only a gardener at a military academy, most of his family were peasants). Emperor Charles I personally signed his promotion, but Jozsef died in combat before the news reached him. Before his funeral, a large Entente formation appeared over the airfield, but instead of a strafing run they only dropped a wreath with a ribbon that said: "Our final greetings to a courageous opponent."

His girlfriend, Enrica never remarried and visited his grave every day for the next 52 years.

>>29870567
pls respond

>>29870167
>Czechoslovakian Air Force was a force to be reckoned with
I think its neat that the Czechs and Poles who had outdated aircraft, had better trained pilots than the French and English

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Ilya Muromets heavy bomber. The designer, Igor Sikorsky personally flew combat missions with them.

Sikorsky was later sent to the US and chose not to return when the Bolsheviks came to power. The rest is history. US aviation history has a fair number of influential Russians and Armenians.

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>>29870497
Here's the uniform and penguin mascot of Adolphe Pégoud (1889-1915).

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>>29870750
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3B702B668DEAA83F

>>29870760
Hussar traditions and Eastern European fatalism. Slavs, Magyars and Finns are not to be trifled with.

Whats the most memetastical biplane?
I'm gona place my bet on the Swordfish

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Bada Boom.

>>29870975
Is that a dead guy

>>29870975
officers with jackets off so he is most probably not a happy bunny
idk

>>29868996
Also rotary radials have to use total loss lubrication because there's no easy way to flow oil back into a sump with them, and the oil of choice for them was castor oil, which meant that WWI pilots were constantly shitting their pants from breathing laxative fumes all day.