MALD-J

Just nuke USA and problem solved

>>29866332
Kind of a russian approach, accept +110 million dead russians as a way of solving a problem

>>29866340
There will be more dead Americans, also the US coasts will be too radioactive to build anything near and so the US (or its remains) will become a land locked country with 15mln population.

>>29866346
man you are smart, I'm glad you passed the 5th grade

>>29866332
>nuke the US
>half hour later
>comrade, we are of havings a us nuclear strike of the inbound, what do we doings?
>i not of knowings
>ripperino russia

>>29866309
>Fitted with jammers, it makes Home on Jam obsolete
Huh?

>>29866372
>>29866382
>launch Status-6 nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed unmanned underwater vehicle
>suddenly 500m tsunami wall near NY or Seattle
>launch a few nuclear warheads at Yellowstone which is will cause massive volcano eruption
>launch Sarmat ICBM's with hypersonic MIRVs who can destroy Minutemen ICBM in their silos.
>America is defeated - and the world saved

>>29866427
>Would you like to play the Allied campaign now?

>>29866427
You should take up writing. You have an incredible imagination. After a while you can fallow the Russian writers tradition and kill yourself as well.

>>29866309
The Russians aren't worried much about it. Taking into account that they were able to peacefully take back Crimea and how easy it was to jam the Donald Cuck, they see the MALD-J as a propaganda piece and nothing else. Probably it will explode when it enters Moskva-1 range.

Personally, I don't think its all that good. It's a meh, until it gets battle tested. And I hope against something more than just a goat's shack that fires Chinese bullets.

Who gives a shit about Russia.

It's China we have to worry about, what are they going to do about it?

>>29866400
>your radar is jammed
>switch to Home-on-Jam
>hit decoy
>still four more more jamming sources up there only one of which is is an actual target about to SDB your ass to shit

>>29866452
>jam the Donald Cook
>things that never happened outside the fanfiction section in RT

How are russians so retarded? What was the good 'ol Donald going to do? Shoot it down and start a war.
The captain said that the ship was fully capable to defend itself at all times while the Su-24 was in the air.
Given that a Su-24 got whacked by turkroaches proves that russians are worse than kebab in war.

>>29866332
FPBP desu.

>>29866452
>Moskva-1
>turn on INS
>russian ECM is defeated

Alternatively use those new kamikaze MALDs and rek multi million vatnik assets with a cheap drone.

>>29866382
>what do we doings?
Celebrate death of burgerstan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhbMj50rHMw

>>29866332
>jumps directly to nukes
Kind of refreshing to see vatniks finally admitting to being completly outmatched in conventional warfare.

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Just like every weapon in USAF arsenal, MALD appears incredibly effective mean to intimidate north koreans and sandpeople stuck between 1950s and stone age, but turns into a silly propaganda gimmick against any nation modern IADS.
You can load B-52 with those like a Christmas tree, and it still would be worthless when S-400 with 92N6E turns on radar horizon, networked with Tamara SIGINT and Pantsir/Tunguska/Tor-1M/Gurza thermals and IRS trasmitting true nature of missile into SAM's command & control.
No matter whan means of jamming MALD-J can possess, the fuselage diameter can't allow you to equip missile with something as powerful as AN/APG-81 able to deceive Russian or Chinese radar, and RJs are too few and valuable to even approach contested airspace.

>>29866309
Doesn't those thing cost like a fraction of a S-400 missile?
Given the shit status of the russian economy, they really ought to be careful.

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>>29866624
>when S-400 with 92N6E turns on radar horizon
>turns on radar horizon
>IRS trasmitting true nature of missile
What is it with vatniks spewing absolute retardese laced with techical terms that they cannot comprehend?
Do they think their technobabble impress anyone on /k/?
Take it to /pol/ where there are actual retards that listen to you.

>>29866624
Despite all the bullshit you wrote you still admit that russian has to wait until the targets are at burnthrough and IR range both which is to allow the enemy to get right on top of you more or less. That would put all those fancy vatnik toys well within HARM and JSOW-ER range.

>>29866531
>turn on INS
>Hit a hill where SAM system was 5 minutes ago

>>29866632
>S-400 is the only missile I know because memes
>MALD can fool modern IADS
It's okay to deploy weapons specifically aimed at towelheads stuck in the middle of the last century. It's not like US air "force" was ever meant or able to defeat anything better than that anyway.

>>29866660
I'm sorry excessive amounts of lard mess with your brain functionality so hard. What do I need to repeat slower for you to comprehend, the range of modern SAMs or that passive imaging systems networked with S-400 support it in target acquisition?

Panstir-1S has an optic-electronic module able to detect ALCM missile 14km's away. Engine of AGM-86 generates thrust of ~300kg and sends larger infrared signature than MALD-J or AGM-158, which in their turn send twice as lesser signature than cruise missiles. Consequently, relying on optic systems to id incoming munition would be more fast and simple than analyzing the radar.

Similarly, it's more or less the same story Taurus, Storm Shadow, JSOW, HARM and upcoming gimmicks like CHAMP. Every boondoggle Raytheon and others will syphon Pentagon funding in coming decades already has existing countermeasures and soultion in a rulebook.

>>29866460
> Just nuke USA and problem solved

>>29866777
>Ground-based air defenses are totally a threat to the west, comrade! Trust me!

>>29866678
Fair point. S1 can track and engage multiple targets simultaneously but has decreasing chance to intercept all of them the closer they get. Nonetheless, none of this would matter after initial engagement. For one, the MALD has a lesser weight, speed, etc., so IADS database would instantly memorize the difference between bait and real deal further on. No plan survives first contact with the enemy anyway

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>>29866862
>Web is totally a threat to the moth, lolol! Man, why are spiders so fucking stu-

>>29866777
>14km away

so.. fucking nothing, then

If you let anything get that close you've been dead for hours

>>29866934
>Moths equipped with web-seeking missiles, can choose how close they get, spiders can't see moths unless moths fuck up
Nice, easy to destroy analogy.

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>>29866952
>spiders can't see moths
This meme again?

>>29866760
Yeah, better move those SAM installations every time you see a blip on the rada screen. Could be a kamikaze MALD aimed for you, could be a F-15E about to fuck up those vatniks you are supposed to protect.
A war winning tactic for sure.

>>29866309
>Expensive russian missiles
40N6 is a 5th the price of PAC-3 while having longer range.

>>29866774
Russia has been fielding obsolet garbage for decades, the MALD should fit the bill perfectly then. Your radars are like 20 years behind in cryogenics and sophistication.

>Turn on IRST
Wow it's fucking nothing

Oh wait that's a foreign concept because the F-22 doesn't have it

>>29866995
>can't refute something
>call it a meme and hope no one will notice

>>29867014
>turn on IRST
>it's meaningless because the inbound are too far

Also keks at implying the F-22 will be going after ground based defense..

>>29866309
>Decoys are new.
Holy shit dude

>>29866777
>passive
>optical
>14km

That's exactly the fucking point you krokodil ghoul. The only way to distinguish a MALD fro a real target is to shamble your drunken ass away from the radar screen and have a look.
The US can sling SDbs at you before you can get a missile off, that's how badly the MALD-J degrades russian IADS.

>>29866952
>spider capable of jamming and decoying web-seeking missile as well as equipped with point defense capable of intercepting it, with web covering everything important, moth can't actually do jack shit unless it risks getting BTFO hard

Nice, easy to utterly dismantle attempt at trying to refute the analogy.

>>29867026
AAQ-37 has longer range than most current APAR/ADAR americuck, and that's just an aircraft mounted system. IRST shits all over MALD in range and tracking locus.

>>29867008
The US has been fielding obsolete garbge for decades aand MALD is no different, S-400 should fit the bill perfectly then. Russias rardars are like 50 years ahead in crygenics, sophistication and literally every oter conceivable way.

>>29867031
And the assets to "have a looK" exist and are independent of the radar and missile battery, dipshit.

It change nothing about the US getting BTFO long before getting a SDB off, any SDB that gets off getting intercepted anyway and the US planes dying. Deal with it, burgerboo.

>>29866879
>weight
How are you gonna measure that in flight.
Furthermore, the MALD uses active signature augmentation, as well as jammer which means that the radar signature can be altered between each decoy meating there is ltitle to be learne by saving past signatures. Couple that with jamming in the J version and you'd more or less have to establish visual contact to tell if it's a decoy.

>>29867008
>Russia has been fielding obsolet garbage for decades
This is factually incorrect, retard.
>Coming from a country that still uses Patrishit PAC-Shit
Pure gold.

>>29867052
Russians are ca e dwelling trogdolytes and the US is two evolutionary steps ahead of them. Spears should do fine against russians.

>>29867062
Except that your looking apart us are only able to track optically by the time the US can bomb your drunken ass with glide bombs. Get real vatnik.

>>29866309
>be OP
>incite Russian-American arms race discussion
>thread degenerates into arguing about nuclear arsenal capabilities
>mfw

>>29867071
Says the retards who see their failed copy of a 20 year old airplane burn on the runway.
The radar resolution on the latest Patriot beats the pack of SA-2s strapped together that us the S400 by far.

>>29867081
>no face
Your face got burnt off in a nuclear flash?

Comparing the Russian military to the US military in the present is retarded. If we went to war with Russia it would be like clubbing a baby seal. There would be no fairness in it. There would be no point in it honestly. I would like the think of Russia as our allies in some respect right now. We could definitely use them strategically if we were to go to war with China. But alas no, our current US administration is letting relations with the cheeki breeki slip.

>>29866517
>Given that a Su-24 got whacked by turkroaches proves that russians are worse than kebab in war.
problem is that russia isn't at war with turkey. it's like saying that US is worse than taliban in war because taliban struck heart of your country without any resistance.

>>29867105
yes

im a skelet now and i wouldnt want to spook you with a reaction

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>>29867042
>thinks any of the web's systems actually work against the moth's wide selection of attack vectors

>>29867071
The US only cares about shooting down ballistic missiles with air defense systems. We prefer aggressive tactics over static ground defense systems, and there's no sign yet of it being the wrong choice. And no, vatnik panic posting doesn't count.

How can vatniks even compete knowing that their entire doctrine of ground based defense has been completely negated?

>>29867110
>implying it's not mostly because of Russian posturing in the face of a weak, poorly funded military to try to maintain their alpha male status

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>>29866517
>WE ARE OF KINGS OF JAMMING COMRADE
>WHAT IS THIS BLYAT TURKROACHES OF FIRING AIM-120B AT OF US!
>ITS ALRIGHT WE HAVE JAMS THAT KILL AMERIKKANSKI DESTROYER
>CYKA BLYAT IS OF JAMMING MISSILE RIGHT INTO AIRCRAFTS!

>>29867064
>How are you gonna measure that in flight.
Missile speed and its impact on decoy's velocity. IADS database compares incoming targets with known flight algorithms of cruise missiles, recognizes the difference and chooses to ignore the bait thus saving munition for actual missiles. So yeah, the entire MALD program is rendered obsolete upon first engagement with integrated AD network.

As for MALD jamming capabilities, we've covered it already haven't we? Fuselage capacity limits the size of jamming pod powerful enough to radiate sufficient signal. To fool anything more sophisticated than S-75 you'd need a dedicated jammer. Write an e-mail to any of the Old Crows pilots and ask their standard procedure for operating in a contested airspace with saturated multipurpose AD systems spread here and there somewhere across the night abyss below. Their definite answer would be to stay the fuck away from there.

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Russia seems to forget that shooting down Malaysian airliners doesn't mean that your military is any good

>>29867177
>being so basic you think that "flight profile" isn't one of the first things accounted for in decoy design

Your entire doctrine is built on a failed premise, cry more Vatnik.

>>29867177
Way to not understand how MALD works.

Oh, and it cruises at M0.8, so you're saying all jets have to do is that and you can't distinguish them apart? gg

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>>29867100
>American on burns

>>29867100
>Partishit PAC-Shit
>Radar resolution
Fatnik delusion.

>>29867273
>1 in 150+ has a fire
>vs 1 of 6 prototypes

>>29866309
>america has super duper high tech invisible planes
>le wild visible ones appear on russian radars
>russia does nothing
>it's super effective

>>29867136
>I-it's not like we care about it at all
>Partishit PAC-Shit keeps getting desperate upgrades because fatniks can't develop a proper system

>>29867299
Still mad that the entire IADS as primary defense doctrine is a waste of time, money, ad effort?

>>29867299
>>29867281

Going to just run through the thread, or what?

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>>29867284
>150+ in 150+ get software issues, suffocate their pilots and can't supercruise after decades of development
Fatnik BTFO.

>>29867309
>IADS is a waste of time
>Aegis is IADS
Fatnik damage control in 3, 2, 1...

>>29867316
You're even mixing up issues with different aircraft now.

We just meming?

>Going into production without production engines
>4th gen RCS
>Vaniks BTFO

Because its boring.

>>29867316
>software issues
Minor, easy fixes in a continuous development program compared to core design flaws in the PAK-FA?

>suffocate their pilots
That was the F-22, and that's been fixed for years now.

>can't supercruise
Was never meant to, but can still do a M1.2 150nmi dash, which is still pretty damn good.

>>29867321
>Better than fatnik vaporware even without production engines
>Designated metal golf ball units
>Talks about memeing
Fatniks BTFO.

>>29867320
>Implying Aegis is just than one piece of the puzzle
>Implying Aegis has the biggest flaws of round-based IADS

We don't build our entire doctrine around it, twatwaffle.

>>29866440
10/10

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>>29867326
>can still do a M1.2 150nmi dash
>which is still pretty damn good
Can't make this shit up.

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>>29867334
alright.

fucking boring it is then. I'm out.

>>29867316
>supercruise
Atleaast the F-35 can fly unlike that Su-27++++ that you vatniks are trying to scam the poo-in-loos with.
The F-35 runs on a radically new engine while the Su-27++++ uses a three decades old design and you vatniks can'T still figure out how to fly it.

>>29866332
LOL, when the iron curtain fell, the found out that 20-30 percent of Sovietski nukes were faulty. I doubt the Russkis got their shit together since. Have fun living real-life Fallout :D

>>29867336
>We don't build our entire doctrine around it
Yes you do, dumbass. You entire doctrine presumes AEGIS will repel AShM attack and allow USN to operate freely in enemy waters or at the enemy's shore.

>>29867344
Stay mad. The F-35 was never meant to supercruise, the fact it can do it anyways is pretty cool.

>>29867364
>Yes you do, dumbass. You entire doctrine presumes AEGIS will repel AShM attack and allow USN to operate freely in enemy waters or at the enemy's shore.
As part of a larger operation, including carrier-based strike fighters and cruise missile attacks on defense systems. We don't just assume Aegis is infallible.

>>29867364
The doctrine presumes that air power will repel AShM attacks, friend.

Not that AEGIS will protect the fleet.

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>>29866427
>launch a few nuclear warheads at Yellowstone which is will cause massive volcano eruption
That's not a bad idea at all. Any Sovietski supervolcanos we can fuck up?

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>>29867348
>F-35 can fly
Lol. When is the next annual grounding? Must be this spring, according to my calculations.
>F-35 runs on a radically new engine
It runs of a modified F-22 engine from 80s.

>>29867227
>>29867231
All it does is duplicates the radar signature. RTP-86 "Tamara" knows most of frequencies and radio channels in NATO's Link-16 and JTDS to tell a decoy from a fighter jet. So no, it can't mimic the aircraft in any meaningful way. At best, it can pass as JASSM until it reaches IR range, and that's where Pantsyr and Tunguska are entirely capable to intercept all incoming subsonic munition.

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>>29866517
The Russkis seem to enjoy all this aircraft brinksmanship stuff. The next time they try that Top-Gun coupe-counting, why not shoot the pricks down? Putin's not gonna nuke. Teach that manlet a lesson.

>>29867400
>At best, it can pass as JASSM until it reaches IR range

If it manages to do that, it would have been wildly successful.

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>>29867372
Carriers stand first in the list of things that rely on AEGIS on order to operate safely and allow carrier-based strike fighters to carry out their missions.
>>29867375
>Air power will repel Project 949A
Take your meds.

>>29867416
>Air power will repel Project 949A

Russian incompetence will see to that.

>>29867416
How do you spot ships for those missiles?

>>29867407
Splendid. Get a lock on target and expose your SIGINT to the only enemy who knows how to exploit it.

>>29867007
>40N6 is a 5th the price of PAC-3

Considering that the US economy is 8X larger than the Russian economy, that's a Russian loss.

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>>29867436
ELINT satellites, active homing, home on jam.

>>29867462
From 600km?

Shouldn't that work the other way around too in that case?

>>29867400
>RTP-86 "Tamara" knows most of frequencies and radio channels in NATO's Link-16 and JTDS to tell a decoy from a fighter jet.
How does knowing a frequency / channel tell you what the aircraft is? A MALD-J using Link 16 would use the same frequencies that a fighter uses.

>>29867471
>From 600km?

You're not getting a firing solution from 600km

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>>29867440
>knows how to exploit it.

>>29866777
Panstir-1S doesn't have surveillance optic system, only tracking. For surveillance Panstir uses radar.

>>29867400
>link-16
>JDTS
Isn't the MALD guided and sending sensor data by those. I bet a fair dollar that the russians can't cracking the crypto NATO uses on the fly. By the time you can get IR verification the enemy is practically on top of you, especially since you can sling SDBs further than that.

>>29867471
First, it's on a submarine. Second, how are you imagining getting targeting data in return based solely on that a satellite is possibly flying above your head?

>>29867462
>active homing
>lets just launch random Granits and hope they go pitbull on the right ship)))))

>>29867487
looks more like some air show fuck up

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>RUSSIA IADS VERY SOPHISTICATED CAN TELL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EVERYTHING AND SHOOT DOWN BIG THREATS FIRST
>can't tell the difference between civilian and military aircraft

Lel

>>29867519
implying that plain was not shot down on purpose

>>29867514
>Strawman
Why so desperate, fatnik?

>>29867481
Plus nearly everything NATO flies these days has a Link-16, that's not going to help ID it as a MALD.

>>29867519
>A handful of Buks rebels captured from hohol army
>Russian IADS
Lel.

>>29867507
Even more notable: a sub can't get comms with any band above ELF unless it's close enough to the surface to raise standard antennas above the waterline.

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>vatniks this mad that they've already reverted to going full NUH UH CYKA FATNIK

Best thread on k right now

>>29867545
>A handful of Buks given to rebels by Russia with minimal training
FTFY

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>>29867548
In which case it's still pretty much invisible for any CSG from half a thousand kilometre range.

It always puzzles me how Russians claim their any kind of long range missiles can find their targets but right after that they claim that NATO couldn't spot any of their assets from that range.

>>29867556
>rebels
Ayyyy lmao

>>29867556
The entirety of the US intelligence couldn't find it. Either Russia is too stronk or you should stop listening to hohol propaganda.

>>29867529
Hey, you said it senpai.

Unless you think satellites are good enough for a kill chain.

>>29867576
Couldn't find it? US intelligence were the ones saying they came from Russia, putting out statements that they had solid evidence (ie imagery) of them crossing the border.

>>29867556
>""""""""""""rebel"""""""""" buk

Kek

Those """""""""rebels""""" are better trained and equipped than Russia. XD

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>>29867585
>they had solid evidence

>>29867561
and?

It would be invisible from a billion km too, doesn't really matter either way.

Not going to be launching from that distance without something closer that can be seen.

>>29867601
>Implying the contrary is somehow better supported

>>29867583
>Anything we can't have is bad
Fatnik backpedaling,
>>29867603
Will be launched from whatever distance suites for them in a specific combat scenario.

>>29867617
I know in a police state like the US this would sound insane, but there's a thing called presumption of innocence.

>>29867622
>Anything we can't have is bad

..Where did I say this?

>>29867622
>Will be launched from whatever distance suites for them in a specific combat scenario.

Thats.. nice?

Doesn't change what I said though.

>>29867627
At least they don't have gulags and a opponent-murdering government

>>29867628
Right there, a couple of posts above. Unless of course you are mistaking it for GPS-type guidance.
>Doesn't change what I said though.
You said nothing reasonable, so no need to refute it. Just because you want them not to be launched from a certain range doesn't mean anything.

>>29867659
>Its not reasonable to say that you can't launch from 600km from underwater / a platform with no fucking radar without something providing a firing solution

Just wow, faggot.

Kill yourself.

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>>29867585
Given that the russian MoD has gotten itself in a shouting match with a goddamn blogger because he proved from where the russian Buk came and how the russians ran away like a beaten whore after they murdered 300 civilians. All using the awful secops of russin social media. Shit's hilarious.

>>29867046
>using American IRST to defend Russia ground based A2/AD

wew lad

>>29867636
>At least they don't have gulags
They do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_labor_colony
Even the US does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States
>>29867665
>without something providing a firing solution
Are you ignoring satellite targeting for some specific reason or just playing dumb?

>>29867703
>Are you ignoring satellite targeting for some specific reason or just playing dumb?

Are you?

You would have to be Chinese-tier shilling to think satellites provide sufficient targeting information.

You genuinely think that you can just take a snapshot and be able to fire a cruise missile at a target of unknown speed and a flight time of 15 minutes minimum with any level of reliability?

Thats fucking HILARIOUS.

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>>29867703
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_labor_colony
>A corrective labor colony (Russian: Иcпpaвитeльнo-тpyдoвaя кoлoния, ИTК, ispravitelno-trudovaya koloniya, ITK) is the most common type of prison in Russia

>>29867712
Not to mention that it's trivially easy to track satellite positions and do some evasive maneuvering right after they pass to deny value of the imagery.

>>29867712
It is SPECIFICALLY designed provide sufficient targeting information for these missiles, dumbass.

>>29867732
kek, no its not you moron.

>>29867730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrU1hZxSEXQ

>>29867730
>and some post-Soviet states

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>>29867737
Yes it is. What is the purpose of such blatant shitposting?

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>>29867763
The use of satellites is for gross troop/logistic movements, such as "is this carrier in port?"

Not missile guidance.

Making me laugh so fucking hard

>>29866452
>peacefully take back Crimea

It's fine, they only sacrificed their already barely existent economy.

>>29867763
Which is this magic missile guidance satellite?
By the time you have gotten the photos, passed them trough intel and managed to transmit them to a sub, don't you think the carrier has moved?

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>>29867773
Are you a literal imbecile or just uninformed fatnik?

>>29867778
Economy will rise again. Land will stay.

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>>29866452
>Moskva-1
>sigint listening post
>manufacturer boasts about its passive capability
>somehow degrading capability of drones

Lay off the krokodil, vatnik

>>29867797
>By the time you have gotten the photos, passed them trough intel and managed to transmit them to a sub
You literally have no idea what are you talking about, aren't you? Google Legenda and Liana satellite systems. It's real time satellite targeting specifically developed to allow P-700 missiles beyond the horizon capability and it was around since fucking 70s.

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>>29867820
What is it, fatnik? CNN didn't report it?

>>29867810
>Economy will rise again.

The gap between Russia and the US has just increased even more, and that's not going to change any time soon either. But then that wouldn't be so much of a problem if Russians weren't so desperate to be relevant.

>>29867838
Nuclear weaponry is the one and only reason Russia is still relevant.

>>29867825
>Legenda
>decomissioned

>Liana
>Broken piece of shit, not even operational yet, probably never will

Vatnik plz

>>29867136
Well that's pretty fucking hilarious considering that 40H6 gives S-400 a range of 400km against actually aerodynamically maneuvering targets, not just ballistic ones. "Tactically aggressive" US has jack shit that could compare to that, the Patriot is a fucking joke.

Russia has also the most advanced anti-ship missiles that are capable of supersonic sea-skimming flight, while the US still relies on massed salvos of subsonic missiles.

Russia has also completed Bulava ICBM test launches and this missile has warheads capable of maneuvering to counter any anti-missile defenses while the US relies on outdated garbage like Tridents for their nuclear capability. And no, none of those kinetic hit-to-kill SM interceptors are capable of hitting a maneuvering target, because they're supposed to work against purely ballistic threats.

Russia has recently conducted a flight test of a revolutionary hypersonic glider capable of delivering nuclear or conventional warheads through any existing missile shields.

And then some obese homunculus on taiwanese cave-painting forum tells he likes it aggressive in a thread about gimmick subsonic decoys. Toppity kek

>>29867860
>Well that's pretty fucking hilarious considering that 40H6 gives S-400 a range of 400km against actually aerodynamically maneuvering targets

If you knew anything about missiles you would know it does not have the delta V to catch a maneuvering target at 400 km.

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>>29867834
Let's check the manufacturers website, shall we?
>“Moskva is a very good system for passive intelligence, as it has a very wide frequency range that covers the entire spectrum of radar and communication technology,” said Gennady Kapralov, CEO of the Novgorod enterprise Kvant
>passive
http://kret.com/en/news/3876/

Vatniks are by far the stupidest posters on this fine board, beating Bongs, Swedes, poo-in-loos and chicoms by miles.
Go back to drinking bathtub cleaner and shooting krokodil Ivan.

>>29867810
>Economy will rise again.
You're critically dependent on fossil fuel and other commodity resource exports, you have no means of fixing that.

>>29867825
Satellites that are any kind of use for targeting in LEO have a fixed orbital schedule that can only be changed by expending delta-v and shortening operational lifespan. And we know exactly where they are at all times.
>Legenda is now believed to be non-functional after the US-A sats were deactivated.

>>29867855
>decommissioned
Te point is over your head. It has already been in service since 1970 and was decommissioned. It's not even something new. Not knowing about in and implying shit you did a couple posts above shows how much on an uninformed fatnik you are.
>Lies, not operational! LIES!
This is getting pathetic, fatnik. You shat yourself, retard. Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.

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>russian """""""""""""""""""""air defense""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>29867889
It's not fucking operational, all the project engineers fled to the west and you fucks have only ever gotten a few broken satellites off the ground.

>>29867860
>Russia has also the most advanced anti-ship missiles that are capable of supersonic sea-skimming flight, while the US still relies on massed salvos of subsonic missiles.
>implying LRASM is not the most advanced anti-ship missile
>implying Russia is not reliant on brute force numbers to get though the layered defenses of a CSG

>>29867902
>implying Russia is not reliant on brute force numbers to get though the layered defenses of a CSG
Additionally:
>Implying Russia can afford brute force numbers warfare against the US

>>29867876
>vatniks
>knowing anything
Let's be realistic here

Had putin said that the moon was made of Pirozhkis and manufactured in russia, vatniks claimed that it's true, screaming themselves hoarse all over the internet and posting """"""""proofs""""""" from RT.com

>>29867882
The incident with the US drone involved Avtobaza, not Moskva-1, dumbass. I guess CNN really didn't report it, lol. Too harsh for fatniks.
>>29867884
>Trajectory Description No description available.
>And we know exactly where they are at all times
Keep dreaming.

>>29867899
>N-no, lies! LIES!
Lol, this fatnik is of broken, bring another one.

>>29867950
>thinking that you can hide a satellite
Vodka nigger plz

>>29867950
Literally changing his claim on the fly.

>>29867968
>Thinking you can hide from a satellite in an open sea
Literal nigger, please.

>>29867962
Yes, you are screaming LIES!, what does his nationality have to do with the satellite network in question being nonfunctional?

>>29867950
>Avtobaza
Then talk about the Avtobaza and not the Moskva-1 you retard

>>29867977
Never claimed you could you fucknik.
You however think that you can hide a satellite which demonstrates you complete retardation and FAS.

>>29867984
Everything, since his fatnik nature simply doesn't let him accept being wrong and plays on his fatnik nerves so that he proceeds shitposting even after being proven wrong and completely uninformed.

>>29867986
I am talking about Avtobaza, dumbass. I'm another anon.

>>29868004
Post proofs of the Liana being operational then.

>>29868026
>At the end of January 2015, the official publication of the MZ Arsenal confirmed that Lotos-S No. 2 had entered a correct orbit, successfully deployed all its systems and functioned as planned.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/liana.html

>>29868016
If you follow the discussion you'll see that it originated with some vatnik claiming that the Moskva-1 would disable MALDs

>>29866452
>Probably it will explode when it enters Moskva-1 range

The first vatnik was dead wrong and dead retarded.
If the Avtobaza could affect the MALD-J is another question, one that I guarantee that none here can answer, given that one need to know about the most closely guarded cryptological secrets that both the US and russia has.

>>29867860
This can't be true since NATO expansion and the missile shield are threats.

>>29867110
>Comparing the Russian military to the US military in the present is retarded. If we went to war with Russia it would be like clubbing a baby seal. There would be no fairness in it. There would be no point in it honestly.
Man I agree wholeheartedly, it's embarrassing how US military at its current won't even be able to take over fucking Iran.

>>29868050
So there are 2 satellites, neat.

>>29868074
>Russian forces are a small fraction of the US' in size
>vast majority are conscripts
>Equipment is produced as a show of force, but in insufficient volume to be competitive

Face it, we're a far larger, better equipped professional force compared to your paper tiger. We could take Iran if we had proper justification to.

>>29868074
That does not speak well for the Russian military if the far stronger American military is incapable of defeating a weak foe like Iran.

>>29868050
>Two satellites that operate in LEO
Okay that's fine and dandy.
Care to take a stab at how many you'll need to cover the oceans and bring the system to operational status?
Given that it took like 20 GPS satellites in geostationary orbit to get that system working, you'd need at least a dozen Lotos-S more to get even a partial cover over the oceans. Placing a satellite gives you woefully little area coverage compared to geostationary orbit.

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>>29868100
Russia struggled with such minor shitholes as Chechnya, Georgia and can't even properly fund and control a border conflict with Ukraine.
Any military not halfway retarded would have pushed the rebellion to Kiev by now.
Unfortunately for russia, their leadership is more interested in assassinating each other rather than winning border skirmishes.

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>>29868106
GPS is not geostationary but the core of this post is still true.
To hunt carrier groups with only two satellites in LEO is like hunting a needle in a haystack and hoping that the needle is retarded to boot and will let itself be found.

>>29868203
You can hunt CBG with whatever you want. These satellites are there to guide missiles into it.

>>29868261
There is a whooshing sound over your head.

>>29866624
>Tunguska
>accidentally a B52

Ok

>>29868095
Lmao, take with what? 200k trained shooters in the entirety of US Army? Collapsing and obsolete Humvee motor fleet? You'd need to go over full rearmament, mass mobilization and transition to war economy in order to take Iran. I'd watch live streams with fat imbeciles spilling their guts over useless mountain ridges while Tyrone fucks their wives and girlfriends back home, but unfortunately people at Pentagon know real state of the military better than chest-thumping cretin on /pol/.

>>29867519
>Monkey model bullshit manned by soviet hicks cant tell difference

>>29868357
>Monkey model borrowed from the Russian military

>>29868261
And what if the carrier happens to not be under the orbit of your guiding satellite? Which is like 98% of the ocean? Or during the time when the satellite is below the horizon of the carrier, which is like 95% of the time?
And this all takes place hoping that the carrier is not aware of the satellite and steers clear of its orbit. Mind you that NASA is tracking space debries down to the size of a few centimeters for cicilian purposes, a satellite wont sneak past unnoticed.
Unless you have dozens up there ready to fill the gaps, the system can only work under extremely specific circumstances and requiring a willing target.
I have a feeling that the carrier won't play along so nicely.
Unless russia gets more than twenty up there, the US won't even bother to pretend that they are concerned.

Another thing to remember, these satellites we're talking about are in such low orbit that they had to be designed with nuclear reactors since solar panels induced too much atmospheric drag.
They are orbiting extremely low, well within SM-3 range of the Arleigh Burkes that tend to tag along with the carriers.
If there is a shooting war I have a feeling that any guidance satellites would be a prime target.

>>29868357
>Russian Equipment manned by actual Russian Soldiers

>>29866427
>launch missiles at Yellowstone
>this causes it to erupt
The Fuck kinda bullshit is this?

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>>29866452
>It's a meh, until it gets battle tested

>>29868310
>This is what vatniks actually believe
You know the HMMWV fleet is constantly being refreshed, right? Around 08 we got brand-new models that were purpose-built to be armored, with completely new engines (no more power steering dipstick!) and suspension systems.

We have more tanks by a factor of 4-5 that we regularly update.

Our Navy is massively larger.

We have that two largest air forces in the world by a large margin.

And that's all before you factor in that an invasion of Iran at this point would be a joint NATO effort.

>>29868310
Enjoy your ZILshits.

Russians have yet to answer how they can distinguish a MALD from a cruise missile because they've both exactly the same shape and maneuverability. At worst it looks like a cruise missile and at best it looks like an F-16 so Russians are basically fucked either way. And using IR as confirmation is worthless because of its short range. If the US air force is that close to your ground assets, then you already lost the air game.

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>all any western country has to do is ask othres to stop trading with Russia
>Russia's economy immediately goes to shit
>can't afford anything
>conscripts that were forced into male prostitution have to work overtime just to purchase vodka to kill the pain of being russian

Please, /k/

Think of the poor russian army conscripts that are forced to suck dick every day just to get by. A moment of entertainment at a vatniks expense is not worth increasing their daily torment.

>>29866309
A MALD-J is so small and cant provide enough power for its jamming capabilities. Against an AESA radar from a SAM system, or from a warship, the MALD-Js are useless. Hell, even Super-Hornets with NGJs are useless.

Power is the key, mate. A warship with a combined gas and gas turbine providing 28 Megawatt to its radars and weapon systems will always beat the fuck out of a few small jammer drones that arent even so revolutionary in their concept.

Shit has been done before and shit hasnt worked.

>>29868654
Hell, we could probably get Israel, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia in on it too.

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>>29868685
Haven't you read the thread. Glorious Russian's turn on radar horizon while linking multispectral EW complex scanner coupled with passive jammer in Krashnopol-1and inverted Gazetchik-E modules phased through the main deflector dish meaning that glorious S-400 will identify and shoot down all amerikanski planes at 400 km range through heavy jamming and ignore all decoys. Is fact putin and RT said so. Will also shut down all US carriers with jamming pod and all 100 sailor on us carrier will resign. Is well known fact, post proofs proving me wrong amerikanski cyka!!!!

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America can try.

Chances are, if burgerfats attempt an EW-fight against the 052D, their Superbugs and MALDs are simply going to fall from the skies.

The huge AESA panels (not obsolete PESA as used by the US) of the Dragon Eye-A radar will pretty much burn through all EW/Jamming attempts of the US and fry both the electronics and the US pilots in their seats. These radar-panels have 32 Megawatts of power behind them. Using a pencil beam, they will transmit so much EM radiation that they could selectively cook the fat-blubber in the bellies of US pilots.

>>29869341
The intent isn't to have a single MALD-J to completely jam a system. Learn how it works.

>Shit has been done before and shit hasnt worked.

When?

>>29869421
>>29869425
ROFL

>>29869341
>I know fuckaall about the inverse square law and radar returns: the post
All you need to overcome the radar return echo which is fucking small as shit at ranges and almost undetectable from stealth vehicles. If your jammer can overpower the echo bouncing off the skin of your aircraft then your jamming is effective. Since the MALD is tiny the radars will have a hard time to know what the fuck they are looking at until it'S really close.
The MALD-J also has the ability to boost the echo itself making itself look larger than it really is, that is the decoy part. Combine stealth with jamming and and signature augmentation and vatniks will scratch their heads as SDBs rek their radars and SAM installations.

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China's not concerned.

We have our own radar jamming drones.

And they are larger, have longer endurance and carry weapons.

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>>29869519
>MALD-J: Let's put wings on luneburg lenses and call this a revolution in aerial warfare


Yeah, totally revolutionary.

Russians and Chinese have countermeasures against this. After all, they use drones designed just as the MALD-J and also equipped with scalable radar return as target practize.

And nothing is preventing the Russians to just fire a nuclear tipped SAM into the MALD-J swarm and take them all out, along with the carrier.

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>>29869530

>>29869568
The US has been building decoys since the Quail using passive radar enhancing devices such as luneburg lenses.
Unlike russian and chinkshit drones, the MALD-J ACTIVLY alters its signature by enhancing the return echo with transmitters of its own, not like the chinks do and stuff extra aluminum foil in their target drones on the ground.
Combine this with jammers and neither chink nor vatnik will know what the fuck.

>>29869530
>we
Didn't moot rangeban you fucks?
If this is the doing of gookmoot, so help I'll go Hiroshima on his ass.

>>29869568
I like how you're not even pretending to refute what people are saying anymore.

>>29869425
>pencil thin beam takes out one radar target
>but there are 500 others
>and you don't see the submerged SSN firing torpedoes at you

>>29866427
>nuke a supervolcano

>attempting to initiate extinction level event

everyone on earth would turn against you if it didnt work

>>29869839
>everyone on earth would turn against you if it didnt work
It's russia we're talking about the don't have any friends to begin with.

>>29866309
I like how you capitalize US, but not Russia.
Eso es rasista
No, wait, Russians aren't a race. WELL, YOU GOT IT

>>29869989
>not capitalizing russia or russians
You don't capitalize pigsty and pigs either :^)
[spoiler]russians are subhuman[/spoiler]

>>29868615
Slavs trying to into science without Nazi scientists

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>>29869425
>china butting in on a US/Russia dick fencing match
China go home or start your own tread. This thread is for baiting vatniks, fatniks and various fuckniks.

>>29869617
bold claims.

>>29870507
>bold claims
What part? The ADM-20 Quail was a decoy back in the 60s.
The whole idea about the MALD is that it has the ability to imitate everything from the B-2 to the B-52, something that can only be achieved by actively boost the return echo. Then stuffing a jammer into the package isn't exactly science fiction.

>>29866309
>russia
>counter this

Russia is a meme the DoD uses to beg for more money.
They'll keep acting like they're hot shit and doing their little ball dipping thing in this or that ass backwards country in their sphere of influence, but they know full well they would get fucking wrecked if push came to shove.
All they care about lately is keeping up the illusion that they're the top dog, which is why they keep an army of fatniks on payroll to repost "news" about mysterious EW wunderwaffen capable of taking out anything including things that don't even run on electricity, their 20 undeadable tanks that better BE undeadable because they can't afford to make any more, and a 5th gen fighter project that's the best at everything and totally not on the verge of being shitcanned.

>>29869530
>made in China

When is the last time any of China's shit has been proven in a conflict? Selling AK clones to Aladdin and Jafarr doesn't count

>>29871097
I think some T-55 or possibly T-62 knockoffs ended up with some nig warlord.

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>>29870772
Let's not pretend that DoD is bored shitless bombing goatfuckers in caves.
Building stronger mine resistance into vehicles and gearing soldiers for yet another Operation Useless Dirt got very stale very quickly.
Building fancy electronic gadgets to combat whatever potemkin device russia dreams up is mighty fun however.
Despite they know russians don't they pretend that russia know what they are doing and a whole new world of ways to spend tax money and excite the engineers open up.
New tanks, new missiles, EW race, stealth, fancy decoys, SEAD and potential for large scale 5th gen air to air combat! Hordes of russian tanks rolling for the baltics, chasing submarines, pace race and an enemy that you can truly say that they where your enemy all along and not some crazy mook you armed 30 years ago.
Fun, fun, fun for everyone involved!
If you're gonna shadowbox an imaginary enemy, the hordes from the east are so much better compared to terrorist cave dwellers.

>>29871212

I mean, you're not wrong...

>>29871212
>Implying the point isn't to have absolute dominance to maintain the Pax Americana

>>29866678
>Despite all the bullshit you wrote you still admit that russian has to wait until the targets are at burnthrough and IR range both which is to allow the enemy to get right on top of you more or less.
No mate they don't, not when they have multiband radar complexes attached, which they do (and btw you can squarely blame the F-35 for this). VHF and L-bands are not only undiscriminating of passive RCS enhancing measures but since each pencil beam consists of hundreds of beams with different frequencies its extremely hard to copy so you wouldn't have a chance of beating the echo, not without a more sophisticated transmitter(another AESA-) and a putting more onboard power(whole thing balloons into something growler sized then).
Then there is always sending in the fighters to check up on them(which is actually dealing with air intrusion 101). They can even design a drone launched by one of the S-400 missiles- if its really that problematic as some of our American friends say it is.

>>29871386
>Then there is always sending in the fighters to check up on them(which is actually dealing with air intrusion 101)

Not for Russians, and thats absolutely fine for the US.

They'd fucking salivate at the thought of Russians trying to engage them in the air.

>>29871097
Chinese ATGM's have been used in Syria and ZTZ-96 tanks defeated T-72's when South Sudan became independent.

>>29870640
>The whole idea about the MALD is that it has the ability to imitate everything from the B-2 to the B-52
a B-2? the manufacturers didn't even go there and you went right ahead anyways.
>something that can only be achieved by actively boost the return echo.
And pray tell me, what sort of COTS and non-expensive (which is the point) receiver is there that can receive a very wide band of signals(X to VHF), each of which are transmitted across their own bands so thats like hundreds of beams with subtly different frequencies and transmitter that can replicate and boost said signals?
>Then stuffing a jammer into the package isn't exactly science fiction.
That jammer with the purported capabilities you touted is science fiction, well at least if its made for a drone.

>>29871386
>Then there is always sending in the fighters to check up on them
This is THE best way of dealing with air intrusions and since the dawn of aerial warfare.
One can expect that the MALD will be quite troublesome, it is quite rare to see the US beating the big drums over something so otherwise uninspiring as a decoy.
The ADM-141 TALD has been a thing for decades, quite successfully too I might add but no one ever heard about it because it don't go bang or do anything particularly impressive.
What makes the MALD-J so special is that it has its on board jammer. That makes it much harder to plan and gives defenders much less time to react. They'd have to wait until burn through range and if it as you say that painting it with the guidance radar pencil beam can tell it's nature, it still is a major hassle if you have a hundred contacts inbound and you have to lock each and every one of them to classify the threat.
It gives a huge advantage to the attacker.

>>29871386
USAF could also mix decoys with cruise missiles and Russian IADS will really have no choice but to shoot down shit. There's really a lot of way to do confusing shit to Russia.

>>29871557
Again they don't have to wait until burn through ranges mate.
>>29871416
>Not for Russians, and thats absolutely fine for the US.
um, yes it is, and in most cases its the only way- how can they intercept NATO crafts regularly in the seas then?
>They'd fucking salivate at the thought of Russians trying to engage them in the air.
With what jets? The ones hanging back waiting for the MALDS to stimulate air defences? The ones with combat loads optimized for SEAD and have to drop them(mission kill) to engage? The only planes the Russian interceptors have to worry about are the couple escorts and considering they are playing with a homefield advantage likely can mass more aircraft in the area than the US can.

>>29871537
>a B-2
Given that the RCS of a F-117 was stated in official documents and that the F-117 is smack in the middle of the various guesstimates for the B-2 RCS.
But fine, F-117 if it makes you sleep easier.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm
>COTS
Who the fuck mentioned off the shelf? FYI, I can buy handheld devices that can both receive VHF signals and the same goes for X-band. It might be space tech in china but in the US it's certainly not. It's not like they cant stuff several smaller devices in there or combine a few.
>science fiction
Again, maybe for chinks and vatniks but the US has been on the bleeding edge of airborne jammers since forever. Given the presumed one way trip for the jammer, you have a much more leeway with power output.
It's not like anyone care if it has a total of one hour lifetime once launched.

>>29871691
>Again they don't have to wait until burn through ranges mate
This is if one assume AESA is completely unjammable, which it is not. Given the very small frame of the MALD and that search and track radars might be jammed, you'd have a hard time to train your pencil beam on the MALD in the first place.

>>29871691
You think SEAD aircraft don't fly with CAP?

Are you dense?

literally the F-22's purpose in life

>>29871592
>There's really a lot of way to do confusing shit to Russia.
People, its not like you even read posts you just quoted. They wouldn't have problems discriminating between real and decoy targets let alone cruise missiles. In fact cruise missiles are much easier targets to detect and engage, especially when flying at altitude (which is why most fly NOE) so you just wasted a couple million dollar missiles.

>>29871691
>We don't have enough planes to do this strike
Said no one EVER in the pentagon.
The US can put ten airframes in the air to meet one russian should the need arise.

>>29871798
So tl:dr on this post
>the most advanced decoy/jammer system in the world can neither jam nor act as a decoy
Is that what you are saying?
Really?

>>29871798
>They wouldn't have problems discriminating between real and decoy targets let alone cruise missiles
Yes they would. Very much so.
That is the very idea behind mating an Active Signature Argumentation device with a jammer and sticking it in a drone.

>>29871798
I read enough and russiaboos still havent provided any evidence of them being able to tell a decoy from a cruise missile let alone an aircraft. You do realize that a MALD is basically ALCM with an inert warhead so pray tell how russia will not be itching to shoot one down? There's only two choices, russia turns on their radar and expose themselves to identify a MALD, or shut their radar down and reduce their SAM effectiveness. Your move.

>>29867222

I personally prefer to bomb DWB hospital.

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>>29867376

>Destroy america
>The world too
>I regret nothing

>>29871724
>http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm
Sure, a plane designed back when computers are still shit they can't even give it curves let alone have the manufacturing processes refined after years of experience in making stealth aircraft has comparable RCS to the one that followed it and didn't have all these setbacks I just mentioned...
>VHF signals and the same goes for X-band
Stop right there. You don't know what you are talking about.
>Again, maybe for chinks and vatniks but the US has been on the bleeding edge of airborne jammers since forever. Given the presumed one way trip for the jammer, you have a much more leeway with power output.
bleeding edge or not, tech that has the capability to do so costs millions of dollars alone- the jammer drones don't.
>>29871771
>Given the very small frame of the MALD and that search and track radars might be jammed, you'd have a hard time to train your pencil beam on the MALD in the first place.
Except they use drones with similar size for regular target exercises- its not safe because of its small frame. And jamming the search and track radars are a big maybe on account of power they have alone not counting measures such as spreading emissions across frequency bans.

>>29868137

>Any military not halfway retarded would have pushed the rebellion to Kiev by now.

And any politician that isn't in full Lebensraum mode would have halted the fuck out like it happened in reality.

>>29871817
thats 10 airplane confettis for every russian one!
glorious russian state thanks you for such display of tribute.
>>29871834
We only really have one way of finding out...
>>29871877
>That is the very idea behind mating an Active Signature Argumentation device with a jammer and sticking it in a drone.
>>29871927
NEBO-M AESA radar complexes. good luck with those.

>>29867376
>>29871971
This is reminiscent of how the skaven in wfb destroyed the moon during the end times.

>destroy moon
>nearly kills all life on the planet.
>this is considered a great success

>>29871927
The idea that they are trying to push trough is that the russian IADS is infallible to the degree that they do never turn off the radars. That the Krasukha-2/Tunguska/Pantsir/S-400 is capable to destroy any inbound aircraft and any munitions that manage to get through will either be spoofed off target or destroyed by point defense systems. A Maginot line of AA defense if you will, no need to hide because it is infallible.
This is why the MALD-J triggers vatniks so much and if you filter away various technobabble or memes, all boils down to the following.
>MALD-J is useless xaxaxaxax, amerikanski plane die to Slava Rossyia! No+ PROOOOFS!!!! PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFS!!!!!!

>>29872022
>Stop right there. You don't know what you are talking about.
I can buy VHF radios and X-band handheld satellite ground stations you retard.
Where you born this stupid or is it part of your job?
>millions of dollars alone- the jammer drones don't
So the only problem you have is $$$? Yet you belive a 3rd world shithole like russia can defeat the latest and best of us tech on a shoestring budget?

>>29872022
>And jamming the search and track radars are a big maybe on account of power they have alone not counting measures such as spreading emissions across frequency bans.

Inverse square lawis bitch when you are a radar. Learn it. Stay 100km way and there will be so little real return echo from the MALD that all you see is jamming and the augmented signature.

>>29872060
>thats 10 airplane confettis for every russian one
I'm sure the US can afford to pop some chaff confetti around the burning kerosene bonfires they will turn any vatnik bird into.
>NEBO-M AESA radar complexes
Prime jib for the MALD-J. That's their exact job, to confuse such systems.
The TALD did everything perfectly up until a few years ago when the MALD was introduced and now upgraded into MALD-J.
They did that to fuck with those exact systems.

>>29872103
>Where you born this stupid or is it part of your job?
I'd ask the same of you except there's no point with gems like this:
>>29871724
>Who the fuck mentioned off the shelf? FYI, I can buy handheld devices that can both receive VHF signals and the same goes for X-band. It might be space tech in china but in the US it's certainly not. It's not like they cant stuff several smaller devices in there or combine a few.
>So the only problem you have is $$$? Yet you belive a 3rd world shithole like russia can defeat the latest and best of us tech on a shoestring budget?
yes. an actual third-world shithole took a shit on you guys remember?
>>29872127
Oh really? Except that they routinely shit on similarly sized targets a couple times farther than that.
>all you see is jamming and the augmented signature.
ah,yes. since it doesn't replicate the return signal that much(sam operators are like: are they even trying) it basically amounted to nothing more than a shoot me! sign. the jamming is a nice try but the inverse square law is again making everyone the bitch and I doubt a frame as small as the whole jamming pod on the growler can muster enough radiated power to become noticeable even.

>>29872178
>Prime jib for the MALD-J. That's their exact job, to confuse such systems.
Its not equipped for that however, so no.

>>29872261
Okay, you live in some mudhut hopped up on krokodil where you believe that VHF and X-band is hot shit.
Those are decades old and commercially available you cumrag.
>Except that they routinely shit on similarly sized targets a couple times farther than that
Are you seriously comparing target drones with a purpose built decoy/jammer meant to fuck with russian systems?
Do you have literal brain damage? Stuff a balloon with steel wool and it maxes an excellent target for a radar. Might be what passes for state of the art in russia too.
>noticeable even
You still fail to even comprehend the basics of radar energy dispersion.

>>29872299
>Its not equipped for that however, so no.
Exept it equipped with everything needed to fool the very latest vatnik radars, so yes.

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So has anyone actually provided any source for any claims?
We have the MALD-J, the contents of which is still classified and we have this thread full of vatniks shouting about how it's already obsolete.
No links to back up their claims, no links regarding the decoy resistance of the radars in question, no links to show that the capability of the MALDJ is insufficient, no nothing.
Only incomprehensible bullshit about magic wonderwaffe AESAs and technical details they have no clue about whatsoever.

>>29872349
>Okay, you live in some mudhut hopped up on krokodil where you believe that VHF and X-band is hot shit.
>Those are decades old and commercially available you cumrag.
Aaand he doubles down on the stupid yet again.
>Are you seriously comparing target drones with a purpose built decoy/jammer meant to fuck with russian systems?
When the jamming is ineffective, might as well scratch that off in consideration and the thing might as well be a more expensive target drone.
>You still fail to even comprehend the basics of common core radar energy dispersion.
fixed
>>29872361
>Exept it equipped with everything needed to fool the very latest vatnik radars, so yes.
>not DRFM, which is basically the baseline for jammers nowadays
>not powerful enough(how many times can one stress this point). jammers do now kill return echoes, they merely "drown them"- not possible if your device isn't powerful enough again.
>can' replicate the signal properly since its not AESA

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>>29866309
Russians already got this. Might not work everytime, but that should do the trick.

>>29872451
this board is off limits to minors afaik. go somewhere to be spoonfed.

>>29872452
>Aaand he doubles down on the stupid yet again.
Try to read you cumstain
>When the jamming is ineffective
Which it wont be if you keep outside burn through distance.
And you still haven't even touched upon the SAS and hoy you are supposed to defeat that.
Protip: AESA is HARDER to jam not IMPOSSIBLE to jam

>>29872452
>not DRFM,
proofs?
>not powerful enough
proofs?
>jammers do now kill return echoes, they merely "drown them"- not possible if your device isn't powerful enough again
You are starting to technobabble bullshit again, that shit won't work on /k/
Also again burnthrough vs radar return of actual RCS and that is not even touching the SAS

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>>29872476
In other words, you got NOTHING but made up drivel.
Just as suspected. Have you tried Fanfiction.net? They might be more accepting of your talent

>>29872469
Already got what?

IRST?

If you're relying on that, you've already lost.

>>29872671
He might mean ghost pilots.

Could someone give me a rundown the arguments here? Can barely follow, is this a threat or not?

>>29873256
They are an awesome capability. More to follow.

>>29875442
MALD saturates IADS with false targets to protect launching aircraft. It can imitate the radar signature of a wide range of targets by manipulating it's return with active transmissions. Emit or fire at a MALD, and the real aircraft get a risk free opportunity to destroy you. MALD-J just makes them a pain in the ads even if you don't attack them.

People will say that you can neutralize it by comparing the returns of several radars of different bands. This is really more of a coping mechanism than a proper counter, as it doesn't prevent the increase in workload for the IADS. SEAD/DEAD moves very quickly, so the presence of MALD in a scenario could force even a very modern, mobile IADS to either pack up and run or die in droves.

>>29875528
The aforementioned coping mechanism also feeds into other aspects of the attack, such as HARM for obvious reasons, and VLO aircraft, which also require increased radar scrutiny to effectively detect.

>>29875554
>and VLO aircraft, which also require increased radar scrutiny to effectively detect.
Not to mention that one of the core purposes of the ASQ-239 is ID and track on active transmitters from IADS systems to more easily map and engage them.

>>29873256
No one in this thread knows the capability of the MALD-J but if we assume it works as advertised, it will become a major headache for any IADS facing it if you combine it with VLO fighters, cruise and anti radiation missiles and ground attack planes.

Jamming resistance is widely advertised in radar systems but decoy resistance is not.

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>all the vatniks going 'nuh-uh, MALDs can't trick glorious radars of Slava Rossiya! No proofs!!!1
The memes about vatnik shills are real.

Seriously, anyone know of viable tactics to deal with decoys? Unless Russia get their hands on one, they must assume that they work. The consequences of dismissing it out of hand only to discover that it can trick their radars in a real situation would be catastrophic.
Assuming they do work, what could one possibly do? Sending up fighters and see which targets respond to you or has radar?
Hidden observation posts along expected attack routes reporting if there is no actual planes matching radar returns?

>>29877956
>what are you doing in the air force anon?
>oh, just intercepting the same bear bombers dad used to...

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>>29866309
Don't worry, USA has best stealth equipment. Like this tank in pic

>>29877956
The same way we've always dealt with decoys. New and different sensors or different ways of using sensors. Decoys aren't perfect. If they were perfect they would be copies of what they're imitating, which would defeat the point.

>>29878125
So it'll be the new race between the US and russia? Better sensors versus more sophisticated decoys?
Is the stealth vs better radars fad finally over?

>>29878312
Decoy = EW.

Sensors vs stealth vs EW is a triangle

>>29866309
Could these things be loaded up with chaff possibly? Send in a dozen or so drones shitting out wide corridors of chaff and have aircraft follow in these corridors launching more chaff laying drones ahead of them.
What kind of resistance to chaff does modern radars have?

>>29878367
Chaff isn't very useful against modern tech unless you can create a thick cloud of the stuff and are willing to have your aircraft ingest aluminium strips while flying through.

Tech's been moving more towards towed decoys and tiny jammers that get ejected out of the same boxes as flares / chaff.