Beretta 92

I like it. It looks nice. But it's italian.

>>29844592
Only thing wrong with them is the manual safety which can be replaced with a decocker.

Other than that, they're pretty good guns. They're really not too popular on /k/, you're right.

>>29844592
Its a good gun but the design is getting old others are doing the 9mm double stack better.

>>29844592
They don't fit manlets. And faggots will complain that you can't CC them, like anyone is going to CC a 4.9" barrel, full-size pistol anyway.

Other than that, no ... they are awesome.

>>29844610
I'm pretty sure you have to replace the slide to change the safety to a decocker.
And they're plenty popular on /k/, you just have to add a gay assed Resident Evil grip to it to draw the attentiin of the spergs.

Or you could just not use the safety, like non-idiots do. Put a round in chamber, decock, then turn safety off. Ready to fire if SHTF. The safety is a non-issue. Even if I was a cop, I would carry with the safety off.

>>29844631
>Or you could just not use the safety, like non-idiots do.
>Muh shiet heit duh fahn

Aww, it's retarded...

>>29844623
Not really, it's $200 worth of gunsmithing.

http://alleghenygunworks.com/index.php/services-packages
>Convert "FS" Safety to "G" Type Decock Only 185

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/custom-beretta.asp#.VysnBK21V1k
>[BER-637] Convert 92/96 FS to G Configuration De-Cocker Only, Includes Left Side Steel De-Cock Lever $150

I really like the 92 and I'll probably get one when I decide to get a handgun.

>>29844660
So is using a safety on a gun that has a 10lb double action pull for the first shot.

>>29844610
>>29844679
I personally hate the safety only because it's a decocker as well. If it were only one or the other, I'd be fine. But making the safety drop the hammer so you don't have the option to carry cocked to avoid the 12 pound pull means I won't use it as a safety. The fact it's a safety when I'll only use it as a decocker is just annoying even though it doesn't affect the function

Am I the only one on here that knows that Beretta makes the 92G from the factory?

>>29844773
Beretta makes alot of 92 models but its all about finding them a decent price.

>>29844592
short answer?

It's not a plastic fantastic.

Polymer frame handguns are the thing now, doesn't mean that metal frame aren't totally kickass though.

>>29844592
They're not cheap. /k/ is full of poorfags.

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>mfw when an anon asks if the us military will ever pass on their m9's as surplus in the us market

>>29845006
Why wouldn't they? What would they gain by melting them into a liberal art students midterm?

>>29845033
>Why wouldn't they? What would they gain by melting them into a liberal art students midterm?

You have much to learn.

>>29845038
Tell me. What they should do is if they repel the military base gun ban they should just have those be the base carry gun, save a insane amount instead of buying new guns for all those soldiers.

>>29844592
This is a board where people can't afford anything but glocks and makarovs.

>>29845061
From a buisiness standpoint, Beretta would be screwing themselves in the civillian market if they were to actually do that. Flooding the market with cheap m9's would do them no good, they have a contract with the military that prohibits that from happening.

If and when m9's are starting to get phased out (lmao), they will just give them to some shitty country instead of the us market. Military surplus is a dead.

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I would love the 92fs if it wasn't for that damn safety.

Anytime I perform immediate action (over the top racking the slide), I end up turning the safety on. It's not that big an issue, but why put up with it, when there are other good pistols that don't have this flaw?

A safety should never be on the slide.

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>>29845101
>when there are other good pistols that don't have this flaw?

This is why I like Sigs more than any da/sa gun. I don't know why people insist on overcomplicating bullshit like this. Berettas are still cool though

>>29844592
gotta love those warning engraved into the slide, doesn't ruin the aesthetic at all...

>>29845370
Holy shit, this. A couple years back I wanted to get two 92fs, one black one stainless steel, and have their slides engraved 'reason' and 'trouble'. After I saw the god awful slide markings I decided to only get one.

>>29845434
I was dead set on picking up an m9 instead for that very reason, then I found a cz75 that was a better price and grabbed that instead

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>>29844623
>you just have to add a gay assed Resident Evil grip to it to draw the attentiin of the spergs.

I resent that.

>>29845370
>>29845434
>>29845444

You realize they sell the 92F with no warning and a straight dust cover?

You could have easily picked on of those up.

>>29845434
You too? I got one in bruniton and the other in stainless for John Woo purposes.

I named them "Marcy and Bonnie" back in 2012, but didn't engrave them thankfully.

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Full giggle edition.

>>29844592
Same reason I hate sigs. They differ from the norm for no reason at all, the safety/decocker placement and operation on both of said brands is all fucky. Put the safety, decocker, and slide release on the frame and in a normal, intuitive position so I don't have to relearn a manual of arms for no goddamn reason other than to own an overpriced, mediocre gun. The mere fact that they put the damn thing upside down puts it on my never-buy list.

>>29844606
>You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! [laughs openly] You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"

PT92 thoughts?

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>>29845538
>They differ from the norm for no reason at all, the safety/decocker placement and operation on both of said brands is all fucky

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>>29845528
>Full giggle edition.
93R is single- or burst-giggle only, dummy.

>>29845538

Glawkbabby detected.

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>>29845571
I'd suck a thousand dicks...

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>>29845538
tl;dr, I'm a noguns/suck dick at shooting wahh wahh mammy i need my tittymilk

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>>29845538
>It's an "Anon is a whiny bitch" episode

>>29844614
This.

My friend who often gets mistaken for big foot has one. He loves it. I feel like I'm grabbing a brick.

>>29845541
Made by Beretta-trained workers on Beretta tooling under Beretta license. At least the early ones were, my PT99 was from 1987.

Finish was a little rough on the inside, but it never had any major issues. Nickel finish & hardwood grips were nice. Reliable as fuck with Mec-Gar mags.

>>29845670
Personally I prefer the Taurus over the Beretta, largely because of safety placement.

Also among vets, most people who got M9's basically got HQ element's hand-me-downs which hadn't been taken care of for who the fuck knows how long. And it's just sort of big and heavy compared to other options on the market now.

>>29845687
It's funny, because I shot the M9 for the first time in the military and made me fall in love with the pistol. Before that, I had shot some Glocks, revolvers, and a myriad of other things. But that damn Beretta. The comfort and weight felt like it was made for my hand.

I have since bought 3.

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>>29845101
CZ 75 BD doesn't have that problem. The decocker is on the frame, completely out of the way, and you have to send it through the whole range of motion to decock the gun

>>29845101
>Anytime I perform immediate action (over the top racking the slide), I end up turning the safety on.


This blows my fucking mind. I've been handling and shooting Berettas for years, and never once have I experienced this "problem" of engaging the safety.

>>29844614
I recently met a little Chinese chick that carries a 92 FS... but in her purse.

>>29845704
Personally, I hate carrying it, but I love shooting it. Even those beat up ones, after a little bit of TLC, worked just fine. Damn thing's just too fucking big.
But then again, I also wear XS gloves...

>>29845773
Yeah, it's beneficial to have larger hands for the 92. I actually EDC a 92FS Compact.

>>29845721
The only time it happened was when I purposefully grabbed the safety and used it to rack the slide while pressing downwards. I usually feel for the serrations then rack it. Maybe in a stressful situation it could happen.

>>29845687
The weight and size make it a good target pistol. I've never had an issue CCing it, but I've also carried a 1911, USP45 and a Glock 21.

>>29845813
>>29845773
Get 92fs slim grips.

I've been told they're comfy as fuck for people with small hands.

Me being 6'8, I wish I could actually make my gun bigger. I'll find out how big is too big though in about two months. Found a local gun range/store near me that has two .50 African Eliminator Desert Eagles for rent.

Going to go buy 50 rounds of .50AE and make /k/ proud.

>>29845450
I knew that'd get your attention

>>29845969
What can I say?

If there's a Beretta thread on /k/, I'm always close by.

>>29845813
>>29845872
I ended up filing and stippling the grips. But it's still big.

>>29845832
I used to carry a P226, then went to a full size M&P, and now I'm on a shield. Mostly shifting down in size because I don't need to dress like I'm concealing a gun to conceal it.

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>>29844592
I like mine

They have a class of their own

>>29844592
I have nothing against them, and being that I am a large man, I can actually CC it just fine. She is also fun as hell to shoot, but I will admit, glawk-hawks do have pretty good weapons as well. Offhand, anyone know a good website to buy a replacement guide rod and trigger (steel) for a 92FS?

>>29844592
A lot of people bitch because they don't want to put out the cash for one, but they are pretty nice guns. They'll shoot straight and run tough, but they do not like to be run dry. Love mine, but they are a bit thick for a carry piece. Also ignore the decocker whining, most people that say shit about the safety decocker have literally never used the gun.

>>29844614
I actually do carry mine concealed occasionally. Usually I OC my M9 but every once in a while I'll CC it.

Honestly the main reason I don't CC it much is because the muzzle likes to jab me right in the ass and it's uncomfortable, not because it is hard to conceal.

>>29844592
Very large, heavy, and expensive for a 9mm based on basic ww2 designs.

Myself and others usually hate it for it's slide mounted safety, trigger, and size. It's bigger and less ergonomic than a 1911 while having no variety in purchase options. There are better smaller lighter cheaper 9mms.

Baretta 92 basically exists for military full-size full steel pistol contracts.

The ones we have in the army are very up there on the most unfun pistols ive ever had to shoot or carry.

>>29846603
they're not every expensive guns. i see them on my armslist for ~500$, hell my 92s was only 280.

>>29846745
I know, but you always gonna have people bitching.

>Beretta heavy
Its 10 oz more than a glock

>>29846840
It would be like clipping 2 apples to your glock for no purpose but to add weight.

>>29846977
>no purpose but to add weight
and provide snacks

>>29847069
Apple Glawk superior to 92 confirmed.

Are Chiappa's 92 good n

>>29845129
yea sigs are sweet

they're both good range toys, but a glock with a trigger job is better carry

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>>29846418
>Offhand, anyone know a good website to buy a replacement guide rod and trigger (steel) for a 92FS?

The official Beretta website has both of those things, but they're the OEM parts. You could always opt for Wilson Combat's short reach trigger.

>>29847171
While your in there get the D main spring and and a wolff tcu

>>29844736
You hope it's 10lbs, more like 12-16.

Small arms maintenence bros in the military know this to be true.

>>29844834
I'm pretty sure the FS, G, and D(if they still make it) are all the same price. At least my G was the same price as the FS and M9 next to it

I have a Wilson Combat 92G with trigger job from Wilson. It is a really nice smooth gun. I have medium size hands and I would not want bigger grips. The action is very smooth and the trigger is better than a Sig Legion.

>>29847315
You the guy with the 2 legions?

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>>29844679
You could have at least posted the pictures

>>29847503
That's not a 92G conversion, Anon. That's a custom frame safety built onto a 92D slide. WAAAAAAAY more expensive than $200.

>>29844773
They made single stacks too but nobody knows shot about berettas outside of the FS line.

>>29845571
You can literally make it FA with a rubber band.

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I like the m9, kind of a big grip but to me it feels comfortable when shooting

>>29845670
Thats kinda old info.

The more recent guns reportedly are doing so well, presumably due to tired machinery. I've only handled three of the older ones and they were all good shooters

>>29845635
Goddamn that's beautiful. I would do unspeakable things for that gun...

>>29847578
DUDE

>>29847578
>airsoft

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>>29846653
>Myself and others usually hate it for
Personal inability to understand the slide mounted safety
>trigger
Thats vague as fuck
>size. It's bigger and less ergonomic than a 1911 while having no variety in purchase options.

Ergos are a bit subjective and a bit curious to see you outline the details.
92fs,96, 98, G, D,DS, GS-D, Vertec, Brigadier, Elite, Elite IA, Elite II, Centurian, Steel, Combat, billinium, Stock, CB, Type M, compact L, target, centennial, M9, M9a1, 90-two, 92/96A1, 92A3 and arguably the 9000s.

As for the weight, go ahead an compare it to other full size metal framed pistols then go be a faggot elsewhere.

>>29847698
Wew. That combat series, though.

They sure fetch a pretty penny.

>>29846840
7 if you go with the more appropriately comparable centurian and a CCF block frame, which doesn't account for grips or internal metal vs poly components and a wildly different firing system. Apples and oranges as usual.

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>>29847520
Oh I know what it is. I was more commenting on Allegheny than the G.
$120 if you have your own levers, which is the expensive part if you steel or billinium levers.

>>29847735
Sure ass hell do. Depending on what you want specifically you could damn near build a comp gun a bit cheaper.

I wish Beretta would just do a HK style o-ring or maybe a belled barrel

>>29847840
>>29847840
>Depending on what you want specifically you could damn near build a comp gun a bit cheaper.

Absolutely. I saw a 96 Combat going for $3500 on the Beretta forums a while back.

>>29847895
Jeezus. I guess to be for though, people pay that for 1911s all the time.
I love that place. I would never know a 10mm Beretta exists of not for Beretta forums.

I fucking built them for three months, total garbage quality, I will never own one

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>>29848027
Kek.

We're gonna need more details, hothead. Or I'm inclined to not believe you.

>>29848027
Your mom tried to built something for 9 and it didn't turn out nearly as well.

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>>29847503
>SAO

Disgusting.

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>>29848027
>>29848053

OH SHI--

Get #rekt anon.

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>>29848053

>>29848038
I worked there last year as a temp to help them close down their Maryland factory.
Specifically on the barrel line, the tooling is stretched ~25% past its expected lifetime, not barrels do not actually fall within straightness tolerances. All the locking blocks are filed by hand in some way leading to imperfections, the lathes for the rough and finish turning are run without coolant except for on one step leading to the barrels getting much hotter than they should.
One time the production floor manager decided to lower the feed rate on the lathes to 50% just because they were out producing the next stage in the line, and I'm not sure if you know anything about CNCmachining but all the spindle speeds and feed rates are calculated based on material being cut, the type of cutter, ect. So it destroyed the tool life and left those parts from the time while that was happening horribly far out of tolerances.

>>29848294
I don't know what to tell you, man.

I don't know how much some of that stuff affects the overall product. I'm not entirely versed in the fine machining aspects of barrels, but I can see where the overheating can be a problem. I'm not sure what the impact of hand filing the locking blocks are, either.

I believe you, but all I can say is that I own 3 Berettas, two of which are Beretta USA products. All 3 are damn fine firearms that all produce similar results.

>>29848526
For me personally it's more just the fact that things could be done right, and they just aren't, the little things like not staying within the specified tolerances even though doing so wouldn't have slowed production at all, I'm sure they produce fine firearms in the end, I just can't believe so since I've seen the behind the scene we of it

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>>29844592
This is why

>>29848553
I know what you mean. The "don't meet your heroes" syndrome.

But it does make you wonder what other companies cut corners behind the scenes.

>>29848566
Roll pins bother me too.

Solid pin or bust.

yes. same Dork,

>>29848570
I don't think I'll get another job manufacturing firearms just so I can maintain the illusion desu

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>>29848591

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>>29848053
oo killem

>>29848574

Fuck you. Roll pins work just fine.

Stop being an elitist cunt.

>>29847171
Wow that is fucking nice.

>>29848566
I don't mind it personally. It turns the firing pin down at an angle which I found to be a nice safety feature.

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>>29848885
Thanks.

-The trigger pull is ass
-People buy them because of movies/TV/video games/the fact that the military uses them, not on actual merits of the gun itself
-they are outdated with only select models even having sight dovetails to change sights out
-most guns are safety+decocker instead of just decocker and on top of that the controls for these are in a terrible location; a complaint is that when people manipulate the slide they engage the safety, with decocker models you can't accidentally put the gun on safe but the decocker location is still dumb
-expensive
-the model that has all the logical improvements is in limited circulation and supposedly a limited run (but they keep making them) sold by Wilson combat. It is $1200 fucking dollars and it is a completely Beretta made gun so $1200 for a factory model with the features that should be on all the guns. You also better like the vicker sights (I don't) and the grips (I think the color is shit) or be prepared to drop another $200 on your factory beretta

>>29844592
It's reliable. It works. That's all my praise for it.

The trigger reach from DA is very long, and hard to do comfortably with smaller hands. This is the main reason why I don't own one. The decocker doubles as a safety, and the safety must be flipped up to fire, which is an annoyance to someone who has primarily trained with other guns that are mostly the opposite (down to fire), more ergonomic (having the safety closer to the hand), or else don't have safeties at all (most DA/SA pistols don't have them). The slide-mounted safety can also be engaged accidentally while clearing the weapon, causing problems when you really need the gun. It's an extremely large handgun, so it doesn't have a huge amount of utility among civilians. The standard 92fs design lacks an accessory rail, which modern consumers demand.

Yes, there are variants that solve some of these issues. For example, the 92G has a decocker only, 92A1 has an accessory rail, and the soon-to-be-released 92A3 has a shorter trigger reach and accessory rail. Assuming that the 92A3 will be offered in, or convertible to, a "G" variant, it solves most of my complaints, but it's still a very large pistol (reduced utility for civilians, re: CC) with a slide-mounted control (you could still decock the hammer accidentially while clearing a malfunction).

>>29848952
>The trigger pull is ass
I personally never minded the factory DA/SA. And it can be remedied with less than $30 from Wolff.
>People buy them because of movies/TV/video games/the fact that the military uses them, not on actual merits of the gun itself
You say this like it hasn't been this way forever. Besides, it's not always the case. I knew of Berettas before I joined the military, but I never shot one until then. I fell in love with the pistols.
> they are outdated with only select models even having sight dovetails to change sights out
This is a legitimate gripe. Having to send the pistol in to swap out the sights sucks. Thankfully, they are starting to change this.
>most guns are safety+decocker instead of just decocker and on top of that the controls for these are in a terrible location; a complaint is that when people manipulate the slide they engage the safety, with decocker models you can't accidentally put the gun on safe but the decocker location is still dumb
This is a common thing I hear that carries little weight. I'm pretty sure people just repeat what they hear online without any experience with the pistol. So long as you don't have actual manlet hands, manipulating the safety isn't a problem. Also, I can use the safety as a fucking racking wing and not engage the thing. You have to try to engage the safety while racking it.
>expensive
Situational. I can find mint 92s on GB for $400. Wilson Combat is pretty spendy, but they are nice pistols and there is clearly a market for them, so I have no problem with them.

>>29845450
>I resent that.
>I may be a sperg but my feelings still matter
cringe

>>29844614
People do CC them, I know two people (not personally but internet friends) who CC them, not to mention the beretta 92 compact is around the size of a G19 and looks pretty easy to conceal

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>>29849279
>cringe

Back to /reddit/ you dumb nigger.

I actually love them, I plan to buy a 92 compact for my first pistol

>>29849242
>This is a common thing I hear that carries little weight. I'm pretty sure people just repeat what they hear online without any experience with the pistol. So long as you don't have actual manlet hands, manipulating the safety isn't a problem. Also, I can use the safety as a fucking racking wing and not engage the thing. You have to try to engage the safety while racking it.
Fine motor skills go out the window under stress.

if I wasn't cursed with manlet hands, I'd had jump on one, the gun felt very well built. But everything was tad bit out of reach.

>>29849772
I guess. But that's why practice makes perfect.

If you practice enough, that muscle memory kicks in and you don't have any problems.

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>>29849843
>cursed with manlet hands

That's okay, anon. People with small hands can still achieve great things.

>>29848566
Because it was asked for and people keep buying them. Not that complicated.

>>29849931
I'd still rather have a pistol with a battery of arms that doesn't make it so easy to accidentally engage the safety.

>>29849045
>The standard 92fs design lacks an accessory rail, which modern consumers demand.
Which isn't an issue considering railed versions are commonly available and there are still plenty of people that don't like or don't need rails.

Also you completely missed the vertec G and you may as well combine the trigger reach/small hands thing into one point. Which is remedied with the vertec and 90-two grips before you even get into short triggers

>>29849772
>Fine motor skills go out the window under stress.

Thank God racking a 92 properly doesn't require fine motor skills. People just have different techniques and some refuse to adjust

>>29844614
>like anyone is going to CC a 4.9" barrel, full-size pistol anyway.

I do

>>29844592
i got one, and its INOX stainless, i love it.

I fondle it daily, much like my dick.

>>29844614
> not CCing a full size pistol
Bet you have sex with dudes.

>>29844592
It's a great pistol, especially for the price. The only thing a lot of people have against it is the 30~ year old ones used by the army that are poorly maintained.

But they're great guns dude.

It's a double stack p38 with a heavier slide

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>>29844749
>drop safety
>pull back hammer manually
??????

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>>29845748

>I recently met a little Chinese chick that carries a 92 FS
Y-you met Revy?

>>29852629
Sexy m8

>>29850168
>short triggers
This, I have trump hands and all it took to make the Beretta comfortable was the SRT.

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It's actually the best 9x19mm pistol you can buy, in my opinion.

I haven't read through the whole thread yet, but I'm not seeing any mention of the px4. I personally think that while it will never replace the 92, it feels like an upgrade. Lighter, more calibers, less felt recoil, different sizes, cheaper, ect. ect.

Why not 92a1?

>>29845101
You're stupid and a liar. That's someyhing that happens if you "power stroke" it, which nobody does because if you do the gigantic open slide design will bite your hand. It will happen, if it happens once you wont do it again. Its a made up problem. Something that could go wrong, kust like you could get a dud primer on any round.

tl;dr Pistol is fine.

I love my 92FS. Super easy to shoot, comfy, gorgeous to boot.

>>29846648
>I actually do carry mine concealed occasionally. Usually I OC my M9 but every once in a while I'll CC it.
>Honestly the main reason I don't CC it much is because the muzzle likes to jab me right in the ass and it's uncomfortable, not because it is hard to conceal.
So you admit they are unreasonable for EVERYDAY conceal-carry and that is the reason you only do it on occasion? Thanks for proving my point.

>>29846745
Yeah 92s, S dumbass a beat surplus pistol with special snowflake heel mag release and magazines.

The cheapest they have been in years is 500$ new at least, used come on now that depends on too many things.

>>29847212
Maybe when the gun is brand new with no rounds down the pipe, angryfaggot.

>>29849302
Way to be the faggot that argues the exception and not the rule.

>>29853918
>Why not 92a1?

Because FS has the combat trigger guard and no ugly rail.

>>29844592

Excellent design, in durability and reliability, I was a small arms repairer in the Army, and when you see a 30 year old gun issued to grunts still work, it builds a kind of confidence in you for the design and manufacturer.

>>29844610
What this anon said, the 92G is the shit.

>>29856241

meant to say still work as buttery smooth as a new one in a store, with a minimal number of parts needing to be replaced.

The Beretta 92FS is not manlet compatible, most first generation immigrant spawn occupying air in the USA are manlets, therefore they do not like what their little girl hands cannot handle.

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It scares black people and makes my job easier. Ask me anything

>>29845538

Autism.

>>29856250
See, I was thinking of getting a police trade-in, then if parts fail or something, replace it with Wilson combat stuff

>>29844592
great pistol OP.
action is superb.
get one.
i would recommend in a heartbeat.

>>29845541
Have it, love it, carry it as my backup fun.

>>29845540
INCONCEIVABLE

>>29856283
what job

>>29859113
armed security

>>29846745
Where did you order from? I've thought about getting one from SOG, but the ordering process seems weird.

>>29844834
I got a new 92G for $475 about six months ago.

>>29856276
>first generation immigrants not liking berettas
Il Italia would like to have a word with you

I'm going to try to buy a 92g or a 92 fs. Ignoring the decocker, any reason to pick one over the other? The price is just so nice on the 92fs police trade ins

>>29861768

Not really. They're practically identical.

Personally, I wouldn't wait for a type G if there's a good price on a regular type F. The circle jerk around the G is usually comes from people with fat fingers or just don't want to put in the time to train with the gun properly. Realistically, you could carry an F with the safety off and achieve same results as the G.

>>29845635
Their is a dude in Florida that owns one. It might be the only transferable 93 in the states. And he has, on occasion, let internet weirdos from gun fag forums come over and shoot it.

So warm up those dick sucking lips

>>29844592
They have always appealed to me visually for some reason. Would love to shoot one.

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>>29849302
>>29849322
Im am torn about getting a compact. It doesn't seem worth it for the size loss and loosing only a few bullets
I also consider getting a cougar

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>>29863456
Ayyy

Liked my 8000 better than my 8045 mini. Mostly because it basically requires the ext so wtf is the point. Now it's about the same size as a p250

>>29845083
Interesting thanks anon

>>29845773
Donald pls go

>>29844592
I've got to say I did want one in satten nickel

>>29856283

What sort of armed security? Big city, small town, night watch, personal protection?

Any good stories?

what about the 90two for bitch hands?

>>29844592
because it replaced the glorious 1911 as a service pistol and everyone who had one and used it fucking hated it, and then they got out and spread the word and now nobody likes them

here are some negatives:

1) cant change sights, because they are milled from the slide
2) safety/decocker is on slide where you rack, easy to accidentally engage during loading/clearing malfunctions
3) size and weight for 9mm

other than those, its pretty decent/reliable gun. theres better 9 mills though

>>29866261
>easy to accidentally engage

Only if you are being stupid about it.

>>29866116
Oh ive got plenty of Stupid Dindu stories, like just last week two decided to start shooting at eachother over a fucking coke

>>29866261
>easy to accidentally engage

Yeah, if you have fucking Parkinson's.

Bet you won't use a gun without a manual safety because "muh manual of arms"

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Loved the Beretta, always have... I grew up getting half chubs to Bruce Willis movies and loved Die-Hard... I mean what kids of the 90s doesn't love the Beretta and Glock the two iconic 90s movie guns.

That being said, I have never owned one. I went the route of custom 1911s (Wilson, Les Baer, Colt's upper end stuff and Barsto modified production Colts).

I had toyed with getting a Beretta and sending it off to Barsto as I had shot a 92 that was done up by them and was very impressed, night/day difference.

Than this happened.... Last week I shot the WILSON COMBAT 92G Compact.....

Its over boys... Unless you are sending your Beretta into Wilson, you own a turd.

Now before you guys attack me, just realize I mean that in a flattering way. The Beretta has so much fucking untapped potential and all it needs is some work and some new parts.

I am going to be honest, the difference between a shit 1911 and a good one is only obvious to those that know 1911s, its actually pretty marginal from a tactile perspective when compared to the difference I felt between the Wilson Beretta product and an out the box factory one. It seriously is huge!

>>29866240
If you like the look and are OK with having shit for grip selection sure. Otherwise a vertec or paying up for the A3 gets you a better deal

>>29845504
>dust cover

you mean the slide?

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>>29868245
Nope.

>>29868037
Should be noted as well that the Beretta products sold by WC are in the end cheaper than trying to modify your own Beretta.

A complete Beretta from WC is around $1100 out the door and fairly easy to come by.

With a new hand fitted BARSTO barrel and one of their accurize packages you are looking at 500-1000 over the original price of a Beretta. Same probably true for most custom shops.

>>29845540

A HAHAHAHA A HAHAHA HAHA *thump*

>>29847212
My 92a1 tested with a fish scale was 9 and a half.

>>29845370
It really doesn't

>>29868873
That means you have a D spring in it. Stock trigger pull is around 12.

>>29845872
I found some thick wood grips to put on mine. Made it so much nicer for my monster hands.

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>>29868926
>>29868926
Dont feel like a 12lb pull. I'd liken it more to 8 or 9lb pull. However once the hammer is back it clicks right along

>>29850130
Except its really not. Not that guy but that has never happened to me in my 5000 rounds with 92a1. Just try not sucking.

>>29850130
>accidentally engage the safety.
How the good golly fuck did you even do that? Even our WORST service M9s wouldnt do that. are you trying to shoot with your fucking feet or something?

>>29868926

It varies a couple of pounds. Sometimes the difference in trigger weight is due to the instruments which most people don't ever calibrate or use a fish scale or newton meter that's not really set up for measuring trigger weights.

>>29869064
The faggots complaining about this are used to racking glocks and refuse to try any different techniques that interfere with what they're used to

AKA whiney babies

>>29869021
>>29869064
>>accidentally engage the safety.
>How the good golly fuck did you even do that?
There are common reports of it happening in live combat in the Army. Just because you shot 5000 rounds at an air-conditioned shooting range at your own leisure does not mean that it can't happen to other people, or even you,.

>>29869334
Good thing I'm not retarded and carry with one in the pipe.

>Oh no I hit the safety what will I ever do now?!?
> flip
> Oh that was easy.

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>>29869334
>Just because you shot 5000 rounds at an air-conditioned shooting range at your own leisure does not mean that it can't happen to other people, or even you,.

Try combat environments, hero. Ive also done time trials in winter and summer, and not once did i ever "accidently flip the saftey", even while wearing thick gloves. This is GLOCKENADE tier tomfuckery that i will not stand for. If you are too fucking souped that you cant even wrack the fucking slide without hamfisting it like some kind of inbred, you should stick to a nice airsoft pistol.
>Since theyre made for children like you.

>>29869377
We're talking about clearing malfunctions in the heat of real, attested gunfights. Not drawing your gun and operating the controls in your mind.

>>29869394
>combat environments
That's a neat way of saying "playing around in the woods," but of specifically avoiding having to tell us that you've never had real combat experience.

>>29866768
no, i have no problem with a manual safety. but a shit tier gun design that puts the safety right behind the part of the slide you grip to rack and reload is just retarded. the taurus beretta clone is superior because they were smart enough to put the safety on the frame instead of copying this design flaw

>>29869411
> malfunction
> still just have to flip the safety back with the flick of your thumb.

Try harder glockfag.

>>29869441
>> still just have to flip the safety back with the flick of your thumb.
Except then you're already dead because the half second of fiddling with your weapon and losing focus was all that the enemy soldier needed to kill you first.

>>29869424
> taurus clone is superior
> says every poorfag ever

>>29869448
i dont even own the taurus, i have a beretta m9a1. im just stating the obvious

>>29869411
>That's a neat way of saying "playing around in the woods," but of specifically avoiding having to tell us that you've never had real combat experience.
Live fire exercises while moving and engaging targets is a combat environment, dont go poopooing on my experience when you probably lacked the balls to even join. Trying to link shoddily trained troops to the m9 saftey? Laughable. Troops have been known to plug their fucking m4 magazines in the wrong way and then SPORT the weapon to clear a non-existant malfunction. Are you implying all magazines should be double ended? Of course not, you just stop being a fucking shitter and train with your god damn weapon system. Its not a hard concept you armchair babby

>>29869476
>Live fire exercises while moving and engaging targets is a combat environment
Your targets were shooting back at you trying to kill you?

Didn't think so.

>>29869411
I can literally, in the actual sense of the word, rack the slide of most pistols including the M9/92 using the palm and web of my hand. Anybody that has trouble not saving the damn gun every time they touch it is failing to do the very simple task of putting their thumb and fingers under the levers. And before you start with your fine motor bullshit it's extremely easy. The problems arise from people that try to use every firearm in the exact same way.

There was a guy here arguing that "if you actually trained you would know it was a huge problem" yet training itself is the solution

>>29869334
Also I am offended you think I shoot indoors. Outdoors is best doors. Also it's my TAPS competition gun.

>>29869446
Except that's not really how it happens. If it was that much of a life or death situation and your poorly maintained gun jams your already dead.

Carry with one in the pipe, you don't have to rack if it doesn't jam. Guess what happens when you go empty. The slide locks back. New mag goes in. Slide is released. Never have to rack.

But please do keep telling me about your easily avoided "problem" that is easily remedied, that plagues our US armed forces.

>>29869485
We used sim rounds as well you child. POORLY trained troops cause weapon MISUSE. Which is explains why you and other shit boxes ham fist the slide of the M9 and somehow, someway, flick the saftey

>>29869424
>the taurus beretta clone is superior because they were smart enough to put the safety on the frame

Beretta put the safety there. It was a Beretta factory, the original guns had them and there we're mil/police forces that wanted it mounted on the slide.look at a 92S, 93R, Combat etc

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>>29869521
>>29869529
>I am offended!!

I know you are. You tried to boast your way through the conversation by putting other people down and misrepresenting your own breadth of knowledge. I called you out on your pure bullshit and lies, and you realized you were wrong. Who wouldn't be offended? Oh, right! A person with any sense of humility or honor.

Open your eyes and wake up to yourself, you dumb nigger.

>>29869424
>shit tier gun design that puts the safety right behind the part of the slide you grip to rack and reload is just retarded.

I agree that it's counter-intuitive, but in practice if you still somehow trip the safety when racking the slide, you haven't put any time or effort in training with the gun.

>>29869571
> resorting to name calling.
The last act of a desperate man.

And only offended by the indoors notion. Not your stupidity.

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>>29869571
You best be fucking kidding me.

>>29852073
You do know he's a big guys right?

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I swear to god if i could make a gif on my phone i would. If you are SO SO SCARED of flipping the god damn saftey PUT YOUR FUCKING HAND LIKE THIS AND RACK IT.

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>>29869507
>rack the slide of most pistols including the M9/92 using the palm and web of my hand.

Did you grow up on a farm/ranch or something? That sounds painful.

Also, I'm pretty sure the weapon manual tells you not to do it that way.

>>29869596
>>29869597
Also posts were 14 sec apart if you couldn't comprehend more that you quoted 2 different people.

I think berettas are very pretty. I own a glock since I think they're objectively more functional.

>>29869596
I call 'em like I see 'em.

>>29869666
Which posts? >>29869521
>13:08:36 No.29869521
>>29869529
>13:09:40 No.29869529

These were almost exactly 1 minute apart, and the second post was short and said "as well." Why should anyone think that that's two people? As for >>29869597, there's no reason to believe that he's been involved in the conversation at all yet.

>>29869757
>here's no reason to believe that he's been involved in the conversation at all yet.

Im the one ACTUALLY posting pictures of the 92fs you fucking ape.

>>29869757
Okay i see it's no point arguing with you.
I meant
>>29869597 which I'm assuming was the guy talking about combat training ect
>>29869596 me who posted>>29869521

Good luck with that gernade. If you come uo with a rational argument do let me know.

>>29869795
And you participated in the conversation in question where....? Point to your posts.

>>29869795
Just leave him be 92 bro.

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>>29869795
>>29869624
I figured out how theyre decocking the saftey, and holy fuck is it dumb, even then its fucking DUMBER to get it to work. You have to tightly grip like this with your fucking hand completely covering the saftey while it is engaged. then you have to rack it hard as fuck and whip your hand with a flourish into your shoulder to get the hardest rack possible and only then will it go into safe. I.E you have to do some dramatic hollywood horseshit and flourish your hands WHILE holding it in a stupidly fashionable way JUST to get the saftey to click, and it only happened 2/5 times because i wasnt racking it hard enough to get the saftey to engage.

>tl:dr the malfunction is caused by user error and lack of training with the weapon system, and only happened 2/5 times

>>29869885
> newer jeep
> 92fs
> tan pants

I like your style bro.

>>29869885
No, that's not correct. While racking the slide of a Beretta, either an overhand grip or a slingshot grip can cause the safety to engage. All that's required is for your hand to slip slightly downward during or previous to the rearward motion. It's something that's very easy to do, and it can and DOES happen during live combat in the Army.

Maybe if you are just playing commando in the wilderness with your buddies, your state of mind will always be calm enough to remember to grip the slide correctly, but when there's a feral jihadi bearing down on you, screaming allahu akbar at the top of his lungs while swinging a scimitar like he's trying to kill invisible bees in the air, maybe, just maybe, your supreme calmness of mind and oneness with the universe will waver, if just for an instant, and your own hand will slip, engaging the safety in your panic, raising the gun up, trying to remove the kebab in front of you, only to discover that your trigger, like your life a half a second following the realization, is completely dead.

>>29844614
>>29844614

I CC mine sometimes AIWB with a galco holster. Works fine though not ideal if you are going to be sitting down....

>>29869973
You talk alot about combat for someone who's never been out of the safety of his mom's basement.

So your rifle failed, squad is dead, no round chambered, and your important enough to be given a side arm.

You can stop repeating yourself. We don't care.

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Slide mounted safety fucking sucks.

Other than that, it felt like a solid, well made gun.

IMHO, it's a little TOO BIG for its caliber. Some of the 45 ACP guns are the same fucking size as a 92FS. Why would you need that size bulkiness for a 9mm handgun?

>>29844592
ergonomics are terrible, thats it

>>29869973
>Maybe if you are just playing commando in the wilderness with your buddies, your state of mind will always be calm enough to remember to grip the slide correctly, but when there's a feral jihadi bearing down on you, screaming allahu akbar at the top of his lungs while swinging a scimitar like he's trying to kill invisible bees in the air, maybe, just maybe, your supreme calmness of mind and oneness with the universe will waver, if just for an instant, and your own hand will slip, engaging the safety in your panic, raising the gun up, trying to remove the kebab in front of you, only to discover that your trigger, like your life a half a second following the realization, is completely dead.
My god you must be the most idiotic /k/ommando on tbis board. you completely disregard proper training and muscle memory gained from doing said training and knowing your weapon system. This malfunction is caused by IMPROPER handling and IMPROPER operation of the weapon system, and thats all there is to it. You literally have to use it WRONG in order to cause this malfunction and an IMPROPERLY trained soldier would IMPROPERLY load and IMPROPERLY rack the slide. Jesus

>>29869994
Feels fine for me sitting down, but i have it in a cross draw for retention

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>>29869994

pic related, my 92FS

if you get one get a few extendoos, they are cool.

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>>29844592

The biggest negatives are as follows:

>Hard to conceal even the compacts
>They fit large hands great. Small hands not so much.
>Slide safety
>That LONG, HEAVY double-action trigger every first shot

BUT.

I fucking love it. This gun is so fucking comfortable. This is my first handgun and I have nothing to regret.

Don't even listen to faggots complaining about capacity. Mec-Gar makes great aftermarket 20-round magazines for them.

>>29870055
Are those hornady critical defense rounds?

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>>29870041

mine is thumb break, snap retention. Love the versatility of the holster, sits vertically so it works best for appendix but will work in almost any position from 11-4oclock IWB

pic related, before I put these grips on it>>29870046

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>>29870015
>Why would you need that size bulkiness for a 9mm handgun?

>>29870004
I'll agree that neither of us have combat experience, since I do have some degree of humility. But does that matter? Does a medical researcher need to have contracted or treated an Ebola victim himself to come up with a vaccine?

The problem I'm talking about is well-attested by soldiers who have seen live combat. A quick Google search can give any number of examples showing that it's a real probably, not a "non-issue," as you keep arguing.

>>29870055
Get yourself some 147gr +p hst.

>>29870055

mec-gar barely qualifies as aftermarket since they make the OEM magazines as well.

>>29869973
Or maybe you could be the kind of soldier that takes weapons training seriously, and spends time practicing weapon manipulations so your natural tendency is to disengage the safety naturally when needed.

Or better yet, you could be a smart motherfucker and carry it with a round chambered like you're fucking supposed to outside the wire, so if/when that feral fucking hadji is bearing down on you, you draw it and disengage the safety with your thumb without thinking about it.

>>29870109
But glocks are like totally better man. My friends dad had a glock once that he let me look at and it didn't even have a safety.

I bought her big sister, the 96, for my first handgun.

And just recently bought a Rock Island 1911 in 10mm for days I don't want to be Short & Weak.

>>29870121

This, man. The only thing better than a Glock is a Deagle-brand Deagle.

>>29870097
>The problem I'm talking about is well-attested by soldiers who have seen live combat. A quick Google search can give any number of examples showing that it's a real probably, not a "non-issue," as you keep arguing.


Every fucking malfunction is a probability you dolt. You could pick up a brand new ruger and it could chatter apart with the first round. The slide saftey is an issue caused by misuse and improper handling. Also take your stupid ass off the cross, everyone knew you didnt have combat experience and i never said i did. Soldiers have also been known to load ammo belts upside down and ghost fire a .50cal like a Mk19. Stop pretending that fucking google is streuth

>>29870109
>>29870031

Yeah, we get it. You're smarter and better at weapons handling than everyone in the Army, ever. It's a very boring and stupid thing to claim on the internet, so if you don't mind, please stop repeating yourself.

>>29870076
>Are those hornady critical defense rounds?
Yes
>>29870098
I have Critical Duty as well.

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>>29870197
Aaaayyyeee

>>29870158
>Every fucking malfunction is a probability you dolt. You could pick up a brand new ruger and it could chatter apart with the first round.
Right.
>The slide saftey is an issue caused by misuse and improper handling.
Wrong.

The issue is caused by a flawed design. To prove this, compare the possible types of malfunctions with a gun that has a slide-mounted decocker/safety against a gun that lacks one. What does a normal person find? That only guns like the Beretta are susceptible to this kind of malfunction. Glocks are not. 1911's are not. Sigs are not. Hi Powers are not. It's a very, very easy concept for most of us to understand, but you seem to be having a lot of trouble with it.

>everyone knew you didnt have combat experience and i never said i did.
>and i never said i did.
Oh, fucking really??????

>>29869394
>[in response to me implying that you only shoot at ranges]
>Try combat environments, hero. Ive also done time trials in winter and summer,

>>29869476
>[in response to this exact statement: "you've never had real combat experience."]
>Live fire exercises while moving and engaging targets is a combat environment, dont go poopooing on my experience when you probably lacked the balls to even join.

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>>29870218
>Anon says a combat enviroment
>Naysayer thinks this means he said he was in combat

>>29870158
It's okay. He's just not he just has no confidence in himself.
> not carrying chambered cause Hurr I might ND
> me or my gun will always fail.
> my rifle will break.
> my armor will fail
> my squad is unworthy of my trust.

>>29870218
>The issue is caused by a flawed design. To prove this, compare the possible types of malfunctions with a gun that has a slide-mounted decocker/safety against a gun that lacks one.
Like pulling it out of the holster and plugging yourself in the foot/leg due to lack of a safety? Go do a quick youtube search, i'll wait

>>29870230
>tell someone directly, to his face, that he has no combat experience
>he responds by saying "Yes, I do have experience in a combat environment"

If he didn't mean that as a direct answer to my direct claim, then why would he have said it like that? Logic holds that he thought it to be a relevant response to mine, meaning that he thought that his statement was a logical complement to mine, and going by the tone and direction of the conversation, the logical complement in this case would be a contradiction. It would get us nowhere if I assumed from the get-go that he's insane or that all of his statements are irrational. If we're having a conversation, I'm compelled to assume that there is some sort of reasoning that gives rise to what he's saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle

>>29870243
When did I say that Glocks were flawless? Quote the post where I said this.

I'll wait.

>>29845033
>>29845038

>1911 has been decommissioned FOR DECADES
>literally costs millions per year to maintain stockpile
>even with cmp majority of surplus will never be released

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>>29870212
>>29870197
Yall are doing it wrong.

Hornady is quality stuff but HSTs can't be beat. Also costs less per round when you buy the 50 round box.

>>29870300
>>literally costs millions per year to maintain stockpile
...How does it cost that much just to leave some rusty guns in warehouses?

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I like mine but prefer my Jericho.

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>>29870309

>>29870325
>...How does it cost that much just to leave some rusty guns in warehouses?

cheaper than rounding them all up, getting them on a plane and flying it 3,000 miles away to put in another warehouse

>>29870309
why don't they make 115gr hst's? Am I missing something here?

>>29870282
Training in a combat enviroment with blanks or simunitions is as close as you are gonna get before getting deployed. Ive done them all, and even while clearing buildings and do glass houses with the m9 i have never had this malfunction that you are autistically defending because we TRAIN on the weapon system PROPERLY. Doing this training suppresses the urges of panic and margins of error by getting you used to the enviroment and giving you muscle memory if what to do. This is even why miles gear was invented to even further simulate a combat enviroment. I want you to tell me what training youve had on the Beretta M9 weapon system. We shall compare.

>>29870360
Why would they? 115 grain 9mm sucks.

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>>29870289
>never mentions a glock
>WHERE DID I SAY GLOCKS WERE PERFECT

You dumb mother fucker

>>29870374
>playing commando in the woods is exactly the same situation as when real soldiers are on the battlefield and have problems with their M9s
Here we go again!

>>29870325
guess the correct answer
>millions of guns are just thrown in a huge pile in the desert
or
>millions of guns are stored in a massive air conditioned facility where hundreds of "servicemen" making six figures "maintain" the arsenal by watching netflix and playing candy crush

>>29870398
What training have you had on the M9, safetyautist?

>>29870360
You'd be missing 32 grains or about 25% of your potential mass

>>29870379
Does it really? To my knowledge, 115gr self defense ammo has a solid track record. Figured I'll just buy 115gr hollowpoints since I shoot 115gr. There isn't a noticeable different in felt recoil or any of that shit is there?

>>29870309
at gander mt. today (Nashville), saw a box of like 10 HST 9mm for $36

>>29870394
>never mentions a Glock >>29870243
>Like pulling it out of the holster and plugging yourself in the foot/leg due to lack of a safety?
>implying "glock leg" isn't a thing

Are you literally 13 years old? Or were you one of those kids in school who made fun of the effeminate boys by making the "limp wrist" hand motion at them, and when they got you in trouble with the teacher later on, you claimed, "I was just waving 'hi' to him! I wasn't calling him gay at all!"? You were one of those kids, weren't you?

That shit gets old real fast once you grow up, graduate high school and enter the adult world, kiddo.

>>29870433
picked up a couple boxes of 125 gr 9mm NATO instead

ammo any good?

>>29870458
124* gr

>>29869632
Grew up fairly /out/ and worked with my hands a lot, but you can use the same idea with your fingers doing the same work. Outside of sharp GI sights it's pretty much like using the sight as a stop. Go the idea from skinny CZ slides and sweaty hands. The handbook does tell you how to do it properly but few people do because it goes against the blanket training techniques.

>>29870441
>im-fucking-plying

Golly gee Anon, if only there was something they could put on a glock to keep people from shooting their toes!

>>29870499
Just calm down.

>>29869585
yes you have to practice specifically for the design flaw and can still be successful. i would rather just have one less muscle memory movement to worry about in the heat of battle

i dont think you people realize quite how badly your fine motor skill deteriorate under the adrenaline of fight or flight

>>29870512
But, as I asked before, how many hours or days have you had training on the Beretta M9?

>>29870536
>i dont think you people realize quite how badly your fine motor skill deteriorate under the adrenaline of fight or flight
Unless... Oh I dunno, you train in a certain way or something. I hear playing pretend in the woods is used by many countries

>>29870538
How many live firefights have you participated in? Despite your undeservedly inflated ego, we are both talking about subjects that we both lack direct experience with. I'm the only one of the two of us who realizes this.

>>29870552
Technically Ive been in many firefights, but only in simulation. At the same time we were all trained up enough that we never had anyone malfunction their weapon systems under blank or simunition fire, nor had my entire battalion ever had a situation like that over seas when they went before i got there. Because of TRAINING. Now answer my question: How much training have you had on the Beretta M9 weapon system

>>29870579
>Technically Ive been in many firefights, but only in simulation.

Technically, I'm a Navy Seal, but they just haven't recruited me yet.

Just shut up with your bullshit already. Nobody is impressed.

>>29870634
Answer my fucking question.

>>29870433
They make 20 round hard plastic boxes that they use to rip off fools. Jesus that's bad even for gander.

Buy online or cop shops. The 50 boxes marked "law enforcement tactical" are the same as the 20 round box of "personal defence" just cheaper. I can usually find the 50 box for 27-32 dollars.

>>29870458
If it's winchester white box 124 nato then yes, reliable and consistent. It's loaded hotter then most 124gr FMJ.

>>29870642
I already did.

>>29870579
>Beretta M9 weapon system

Nigga, stop trying so hard

>>29870664
None.

>>29870163
>You're smarter and better at weapons handling than everyone in the Army
He's probably better at it than the ones accidently actuating the safety during handling. The military isn't exactly made up entirely of our best and brightest, and training on handguns be it use or servicing isn't exactly high priority especially when compared to the attention paid to rifles.

>>29870661
The local law enforcement shop that also sells to non-LEO gives me the LEO discount. End up getting them for about 24 dollars a box.

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>>29870015
Well for starters it's a full size combat pistol so you need a full grip and sight radius. If you want to talk about bulk, take a few minutes to actually check out the measurements of other pistols and take careful not of where they're being measured. You want bulky,look at a 5" sig or a CZ97 and stop basing shit on guns that don't have grip panels.

>>29870664
So you dont?

>>29870713
What, do you want a direct answer or are you so stupid that you need it spelled out? Why the fuck should I do that for you when you have done nothing but given me indirect answers and condescending snarks throughout the conversation?

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>>29870749
Right, so you have 0 operating hours on the M9. While I have something in the hundreds. Which correlates that i know 100% more and have 100% more hands on training than you. Que the smug anime girl and the I toldya's

>>29848952
All them nailheads, good work anon.
I still kind of like them though.

>>29870788
>>29870749
>>29870713
>>29870687
>>29870664
>92fs bro trumps a slide saftey troll

>>29870835
>angry manlet samefags the thread with a sage, hoping no one will notice

>>29870331
>on fire

REEEEE

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>>29870967

are you...
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triggered?

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>>29871046
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>29848939
does the right side have the "mod samurai edge" markings as well?

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Best grill best grun

>>29870015
It's well built and reliable

other plastic 9mm guns jam up WAY easier than the beretta

>>29870825
those are bad excuses

trigger pull is fine
nothing wrong with liking movie guns
doesnt specify how its outdated despite being a semi auto pistol

the decocker "problem" is modern fuddlore. anybody whos ever used one knows its nearly impossible to engage the safety when racking the slide. if this happens to anyone it was probably a dumb boot who spends more time handling his dick than the guns he was issued.

also berettas are cheap, especially used. buying one used for 800 or some shit is your loss because you couldnt be assed to take the 5 minutes to look up prices and compare them

>>29871219
>the decocker "problem" is modern fuddlore.
Have you read the thread yet?

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>>29870289
This isn't a regular forum; you're anonymous, dumbass

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>MUHSLIDESAFETY autist gets blown the fuck out and admits to never handling a beretta
>ignores countless pictures from 92fs bro
>92fs bro lays down the [spoiler]slide safety[/spoiler]

>>29871232
I skimmed through it

It's mostly two assholes complaining about this topic. The way I see it theres only three types of people that this topic is discussed by:

1: Some idiot living on welfare right out of the service who never shot the damn thing more than once says its its too big and works like ass, not realizing the gun is probably three times older than he is and beat to shit by enlisted idiots just like him who used it before him. These are the same morons who spout bullshit like "all m16s jam" despite being issued an m4 that never failed on him. These are the kinds of guys who spent more time coming up with stupid pranks to put on video and was more interested in military culture than actually being a decent soldier.
Never really retaining the traininghe was given, if he was handed the same guns right now that he was issued in the service, this type of asshole wouldn't be able to use it or take it apart correctly had he all the time in the world to do so.

2. Some basement dwelling faggot who either rented one or saved for one after his short time working at a fast food joint tells everyone that the gun has "bad ergos and is too expensive" (is too big for his faggot little hands) and that he heard people say that the decocker/safety is a huge issue, but hasn't really experienced that because he has never used the gun more than once after the only trip to his local indoor range.

3. Some cop or security or just a normal fucking guy who doesn't believe the former two because they make up bullshit that has no real evidence or proof in real life. This type of person shouln't visit 4chan but can't leave because they've been here since '06 and keeps coming back for some reason.

It's just a fucking gun. If it works for you, so be it. If not, get something else.

>>29871326
Quote ANY post in the thread that says that Glocks are without flaw.

>>29871532
>3. Some cop or security or just a normal fucking guy who doesn't believe the former two because they make up bullshit that has no real evidence or proof in real life. This type of person shouln't visit 4chan but can't leave because they've been here since '06 and keeps coming back for some reason.
D-dont you fucken... ITS ALL I KNOW.
>>29871668
Still looking for an argument you can win? How much range time have you had with a glock ;^)?

>>29871805
>is unable to back up his bullshit claims that I called him out on, hours ago
>"you just want win, can you!"
What's it like to like in opposite land?

>>29871359
>trying to spoiler like a fag
kill yourself

>>29871532
You don't have to pretend to be somebody else just to come to terms with your inability to explain your bullshit position.

>>29869837
I was wrong. Good job 92 bro

>>29871836
What position?

That it's a gun that works for some people and not for others? Like every other gun?

>>29871888
That the gun's inherent flaws are entirely attributable to user error, and have nothing to do with the design. It's such an indefensible position that I have to question your sanity for continuing to defend it.

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>>29871823
>I admitted to never handling a 92fs
>I have zero hours on it
>I have only a verbal opinion made from the dregs of the army whom were not properly trained
>I avoided the question of my proficiency on the weapon because i knew i had no training on it and would lose all support in my argument so i waited until the very end when i was forced to answer the question

>>29871848
I hope you are being sarcastic and not actually praising him.

>>29871975
>"He ADMITTED it! He ADMITTED it!"
Jesus, you're like a child. I never said that I've never handled one. It's true that I don't own one - I don't like them. Why would I buy a gun that I don't like? If you think that makes my arguments invalid, though, then you haven't taken the time to understand my argument. I've avoided talking about myself because it's totally irrelevant to what I have been saying the whole time, and I figured that you understood this. Clearly, you do not.

My entire argument is based on reports from soldiers who have experienced the problem during live combat. It's not based on anecdotes from my personal experience, as yours is. You need to address the evidence from the Army before you can declare my argument addressed, let alone rebutted. I haven't seen you do this a single time. All you have presented has been personal anecdotes from your masturbation sessions in the woods with your gun buddies. This is not the same nature of evidence as I am presenting. The fact that you think it's even remotely analogous tells me that you will never be able to address my argument, let alone rebut it, and I'm wasting my time by talking to you.

>>29872078
>You need to address the evidence from the Army before you can declare my argument addressed, let alone rebutted. I haven't seen you do this a single time.
>>29870579
>At the same time we were all trained up enough that we never had anyone malfunction their weapon systems under blank or simunition fire, nor had my entire battalion ever had a situation like that over seas when they went before i got there. Because of TRAINING
>>29870158
>The slide saftey is an issue caused by misuse and improper handling. Also take your stupid ass off the cross, everyone knew you didnt have combat experience and i never said i did. Soldiers have also been known to load ammo belts upside down and ghost fire a .50cal like a Mk19. Stop pretending that fucking google is streuth
>>29870031
>This malfunction is caused by IMPROPER handling and IMPROPER operation of the weapon system, and thats all there is to it. You literally have to use it WRONG in order to cause this malfunction and an IMPROPERLY trained soldier would IMPROPERLY load and IMPROPERLY rack the slide


And other anons have agreed with this. The fact of the matter is, is that you have absolutely no hands on experience with the weapon. None. You have zero reason to even be talking about the damn thing, if just expressing an opinion on it from something you read on the internet. You are apparently too damn fool headed to understand that all these stories you are reading while finger fucking your hot pockets, all come from lack of training. Bad soldiers get mixed in with the good, it happens, and they tend to fuck up things while in the field or down range. Unlike you I CAN base my information on personal anecdotes because I WAS in the Army and I DO own and am proficient in the weapon we are discussing. Hell I even have an award in my drawer for out shooting my entire training company way way back when I first got into the Army.

>You have NOTHING to say here.

>>29872167
>we
>i
These are called anecdotes.

>And other anons have agreed
This is called bandwagon fallacy.

>The fact of the matter is, is that you have absolutely no hands on experience with the weapon.
This is what makes talking to you so grating. You repeat yourself over and over while ignoring the argument you have been asked to address.

>>29872213
>This is what makes talking to you so grating. You repeat yourself over and over while ignoring the argument you have been asked to address.
And you keep repeating about some cockamamie stories about stupid soldiers racking their slides in a panic. And even know you are grasping at straws
>>29872213
>we
>i
>These are called anecdotes

I CAN do this, and you are just upset you cant because you don't even know anything on the subject! This is allegorical to you expressing an opinion on a video game when all you did was read reviews on how it sucked and magazine articles, while never playing the damn thing in the first place.

>>29872242
>And you keep repeating about some cockamamie stories about stupid soldiers racking their slides in a panic. And even know you are grasping at straws
It's a legitimate concern. Ignoring it won't turn it into a "cockamamie story," and asking you to address my central point is not "grasping at straws."

>I CAN do this
You're free to present anecdotes to support your claims, but they aren't going to lend nearly as much credence to what you are saying as if you were presenting empirical facts.

>This is allegorical to you expressing an opinion on a video game when all you did was read reviews on how it sucked and magazine articles, while never playing the damn thing in the first place.
The correct analogy would be you pointing out a bug in a video game that caused the screen to go dark during a critical moment of gameplay. Since I've clearly (according to you) played video games for years and years of my life and am therefore a video game master, I can therefore make the claim that the game is not flawed at all. The black screen isn't a bug, it's a feature. Since I've got so many years of video game playing under my belt, and clearly have trained myself to play games even with a black screen, my bald opinion trumps even observable reality and logical reasoning. My expert opinion clearly trumps your feeble objection that good video games shouldn't make the screen go black during gameplay.

That sure helps me understand your thought process! Spoiler: What thought process?

>>29872357
>It's a legitimate concern
That is fixed with TRAINING. You are now comparing a perfectly functioning side arm to a game with something broken in it. The 92fs is not broken. The CORRECT allegory would be comparing it to a video game where a level doesnt follow the usual flow of other games and requires you to adjust how you usually do things. As in changing how you rack the slide with TRAINING. Your strawmen arent even wearing clothes at this point

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>>29871100
Yeah. I have a frame without the safety warning coming in, too

>>29872425
The Beretta 92 was broken when it was first designed. It's a flawed design. Why else would you have to COMPENSATE for its flaws with training, as you have insisted over and over again, to the exclusion of all other arguments.

Son, you are only making my case for me.

>>29872461
>>29872461
>The Beretta 92 was broken when it was first designed. It's a flawed design.
Someone is using personal opinion...

>>29872495
Just because you averted your gaze when I presented evidence doesn't mean that evidence hasn't been presented.

>>29872461
>Why else would you have to COMPENSATE for its flaws with training
Like the flaw of no saftey and, training trigger discipline so you dont shoot your own leg

>>29872461
How about you just don't rack the slide like a retard? Case solved.

>>29872509
>I provided personal opinion! Thats the same of evidence!
>Im also a master gun smith and have the experience and training to form this opinion

>>29872512
Are you going to make me repeat myself again? >>29870289

>>29872523
It's funny... Exclamation points in greentext almost always pop up when the idiot I'm talking to gets backed into a corner like this, totally unequipped for verbal communication and when I start to see people post like this, it's a pretty good indicator that they have nothing more to say, perhaps nothing worthwhile to say to begin with. It's a good indicator that you are done. Get some good food. Get a good rest. Enjoy your weekend. You're not cut out for this.

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>>29872461
Jokes on you, the 92 had a frame safety.

>>29872567
I should have said 92-series, but looks like I stand corrected on a technicality.

>>29872560
Bye bye, thanks for the easy win

>>29872461
>Training is now compensation for bad design

I'm pretty fucking sure training of any kind is to make sure you know what the fuck you're doing with the tools you have.

>Oh man, this STIHL chainsaw is so nice. Too bad your Craftsman requires training to figure out how to work it

That's literally what you sound like, you fucking retard.

>>29872593
Answer honestly. How many times during this conversation did I make you cry?

>>29872609
The reality is not so black and white. Yes, obviously training is required to operate any tool. Additional training also improves skill with that tool. What I'm talking about is training to compensate for a feature or function that comparable tools do not have.

With my DeWalt circular saw, all I have to do is make sure it's on the board I want to cut, pull the trigger and push forward. What if there were another circular saw, otherwise identical, that stopped cutting if the saw blade were held in any other angle besides perfectly vertical? That's a needless function - I would call it a flaw - and something you'd have to compensate for while using it. Maybe a better example is those childproof bands on Bic lighters. I hate them because it takes more work on my part jut to work the lighter.