>buying anything but brown bear Are silver and golden really

I buy silver bear soft points, never had a problem.
Golden bear is ok but i'd say just stick to silver and save the dollar or whatever.

I have not used brown bear so i cannot speak to it.

>>29742100

>Doesn't know Wolf is the same thing as brown bear.

>at a cheaper price

>>29742100
Forgive my ignorance but what makes this stuff better or different than wolf or tula? I've run a few boxes of this stuff but it was years ago.

>>29742100
Same company m8

just depends on how you want your casings to look. I prefer lacquer coating myself as it provides the best corrosion protection and smooth loading. Zinc will corrode into a white powder since that's how it do, don't know about golden brass coating but probably a step up from zinc and polycoat

>>29742131
tula is total shit

>>29742100
>not buying Golden Tiger for the same or less

>>29742164
>buying golden tiger

Literally fucking where you lizard wizard nigger bigger hole digger son of a bitch ?

>>29742193
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/762x39-ammo

The one time I'll spoonfeed

>>29742157
Do tell? I know tula and wolf aren't very hot but I've had no reliability issues to speak of with either one since they ditched lacquer coated casings. Occasionally maybe 1 in a thousand will have a stubborn primer but that's no biggy to me. The accuracy has also been "serviceable". Are the bears more accurate and hotter? What's the difference? No bimetal jacket? What? Saying something sucks doesn't answer my question.

>>29742131
Wolf is a American company that contracts imports of slavshit ammo (and vepr rifles), they don't make anything. Tula is its own separate company, producer and importer.

Wolf contracts ammo all over from different countries like Russia, Romania, Ukraine before the war, Taiwan and Serbia for wolf gold brass stuff. Wolf just put it in pretty boxes and sells the stuff.

Brown, silver and golden bear is just a brand for certain case coatings, if it's just wolf then it's polycoat. Tula used to contract with wolf but branched out into its own to cut out the middle man hence they make, import and sell under their name but I'm sure wolf still contracts with Tula on the side.

Red army standard does what wolf does, they belong to century arms and contract with slavboo ammo producers and put it in a pretty box to sell in the states.

Golden tiger is made by vympel and probably imports by wolf. Most wolf ammo the past few years is made by barnaul, which also makes the brown, silver and golden brand.

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>>29742100
>not Golden Tiger masterrace

>>29742279
Awesome, thank you. I always assumed wolf was just rebranded tula but good to know. Performance wise what's the best steel cased slavshit?

>>29742310
http://sgammo.com/product/golden-tiger/1000-round-case-762x39-fmj-bt-golden-tiger-124-grain-russian-ammo

>>29742279
so why all the hoopla and hype for Golden Tiger?

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>>29742346
>lacquer coating superior to polymer for storage and rust prevention
>sealed from the elements at both bullet/primer ends for max possible storage life, plus the superior lacquer coating
>large air pocket in front of bullet, and it yaws very fast and stays that way from what I've seen(pic just one example)
>longer bullet than a lot of others, so yaw is more effective since more surface area
>very consistent velocities for cheap steelcase(online tests I've seen)
>actually reaches advertised velocities from 16in barrels(look for MAC's chronograph test on youtube, wolf was clocking in 300fps slower) I can't speak for bear/tula etc off the top of my head, but I know I've seen tests on youtube on how they do on different barrel lengths
>GT has very little to no muzzle flash from even a 16in barrel
>it's noticeably more accurate for me vs bear ammo

>>29742310
>not owning 5.45 where all commercial ammo is boat tailed with air pocket projectiles (excluding 69gr ammo and that jew priced hornady shit)
git gud

>>29742312
Tula is the worst, dead primers and weak powder. Wolf produced by barnaul is the best overall, I'm not a fan of polycoat so I like brown bear the best or anything that's laquer coated with sealed primer/neck. Golden tiger is the best but the supply is limited to 7.62x39 at the moment.

most slavshit uses standard ball type powder but silver bear uses stick powder so they're are some slight differences between them even when made by the same company, i.e. different burn rates, velocity, clean burning, etc

>>29742346
Because besides surplus m67 ammo it's the only 7.62x39 with a boat tail and air pocket with sealed primers/neck like 5.45/7n6 military ammo making it tumble like 5.xxmm calibers

Basically everyone gets a hard on for it because it the best 7.62x39 in fmj. It behaves like 5.45 in flesh

>>29742346
hot loaded, fully sealed against moisture, boat tail, hollow front end causing tumbling, better powder, cleaner, less duds

I know I'm forgetting something else, but you get the point

>>29742446
>paying for expensive magazines
>using a weaker 5.56

>>29742379
Exactly.

GOLDEN TIGER MASTER RACE REPORTING IN

>>29742379
also better BC because it's a longer bullet

>>29742446
and it's 25 cents a round which is comparable to most other types of 7.62x39. might as well buy GT when it's the same price as everything else

>>29742662
ehem it's $.27 per round

>>29742664
no it's not you nigger its 25.7 cents per round

>>29742662
>>29742664
>>29742671
>measuring costs in cents
Tight wads

>>29742131
>Different from wolf

Nothing, it's literally the same product imported by a different U.S company

Bear ammo= DKG trading


Wolf= Wolf performance ammunition


All made by barnaul, just placed in a different box.

The golden tiger projectile is shaped like 7n6 with a massive air pocket


It also has flash suppressants in the powder.

Is consistent as fuck in powder charge unlike Tula.


Dat purple Sealant.

>>29742673
it makes a difference when you buy 10,000 rounds at a time

>>29742695
True it only makes sense in big bulk purchases.

>>29742723
even if you buy 1 box at a time, the pennies add up over time

If I bought 100 rounds once a week for 10 cents more than somewhere else, that would add up to $5.20 more than is necessary to pay in a year
Yeah it's not much, but the same argument can be made in bulk purchases

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>>29742100
>BRONW BEAR IS THE BEST
>i-is silver bear or golden tiger actually better??

Yes it is op, silver is better than brown and golden tiger shits on all of them. Please kill yourself

>>29742942
he didn't say golden tiger, you autistic frogposter

>>29742446
>not owning 5.45 where all commercial ammo is boat tailed with air pocket projectiles
Only the barnaul 69 grain has a air pocket.

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>>29742947
retard

>>29742947
>golden
Hey retard, he said silver and golden. Since there's no golden bear ammo, but there IS golden tiger...

You're a retard.

>>29742942

The zinc coating on silver bear will oxidize over time and turn to dust, lacquer is better.

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>>29742962
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/golden-bear-762x39-123-grain-hp-ammo-20-rounds?a=472396

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>>29742961
>Since there's no golden bear ammo

OH REALLY NOW

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>>29742976
>hp

and its shit. Call me when it has a boattail and an air pocket in the tip

or even better, when it's cheaper than golden tiger

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>>29742996

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If any of you gentlemen ponied up for an Arsenal, Saiga, or a VEPR, but you aren't shooting the 7.62x39 with the best BC and terminal performance available...

Well, you are not being the person Mr. Kalishkanov thought you could be.

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>>29743638
But if you wanted high BC and terminal performance, why would you be using a rifle in 7.62x39?
>Of course if you wanted performance, why are you shooting anything related to slavshit?

>>29743655

Because I love all God's calibers, anon.

Also, I know I'm not yet good enough a shot to put a .224 bullet behind a hogs ear yet, and I'm not lugging a 24" .308 around for punching hogs. The over penetrating 7.62x39 fits that bill quite nicely.

>>29742822
Don't be so fucking poor nigger

>>29743638
>hurr durr 7.62x39
Mikhail was a fucking fudd, you can't even spell his name right.

>>29743638
>literally a varmint bullet

Will do if I ever need to defend my home from some prairie dogs.

>>29743684

You are right about the misspelling. My spell check has failed me.

>>29743690

> 24" penetration in gel tests
> 2 foot wide prairie dogs

Hornady's SST is a CXP2 load in most bullets larger that .224, anon.

>>29742129
Isn't brown bear lacquer coated and wolf polymer coated?

>>29742676
Wolf is a contract product, made by whomever has the contract for a respective product. Much of the steel case ammunition is made by Tula.

Wolf Gold, formerly made by PPU, is now made in Taiwan.

I use Barnaul because neither Wolf nor Tula will cycle in my SKS and because Golden Tiger gets stuck in the magazine. Such is life owning a Yugo.

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>>29742652
>>29742379
I'll add that to the list.
Here's steel core, tiger, and silverbear with the average bullet size most brands use.

>>29742164
Just bought 500 and am happy as tits.

>>29743690
>>29743708

I realized that my image doesn't make it clear that it's SST and not Vmax. Sorry for being a dick.

>>29743830
>steel core

Any point in getting some of that? I thought the caliber already had good barrier penetration.

How's brown bear 223?

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>>29744011
IMO, not really other than cool factor. I'd put much more value on my extreme 762 golden tiger yawing over slightly better penetration potential any day.
>I thought the caliber already had good barrier penetration.
762 isn't a super penetration king so much as just having the ability to brute force pulverize stuff like bricks better. It's also very dependent on what you are shooting, 545 seems to penetrate amazingly vs softer mediums. 556's speed makes it king for hardened steel penetrating.
556 even makes a mockery of 762xanything on my hardened steel. 556 even outdoes 54r when it comes to steel within 100 or so yards. The steel that stopped pic related gets punched through like hot butter with 556. Out at my 400y targets, 54r/308 obviously wins by a mile though. You'd barely be able to tell which of the 3 intermediate calibers my 1/8in steel had been hit by. They all just leave a shallow dent and lead stain.

>>29744014
It is fine. In an AR, it extracts more consistently than Wolf and much more consistently than Tula.

Barnaul cartridges will cycle in all of my ARs, but only one will cycle Wolf and it is hit or miss with Tula.

Groupings are 1.25-1.75" with Barnaul in the best AR, which shoots 2" with Wolf. The other two are 2.75-3.5" with Barnaul and 5-6" with Wolf, when forced to fire it by manually extracting the cases.

>>29742978
>Brass plated

Literally what is the point? Even with the coating it's not going to expand like an actual brass casing would. Maybe extraction would be better, but I'd just stick with laquered steel or go all-out and use 100% brass.

>>29742100

Golden Tiger cartridges are sealed and the bullets are boat tailed.

Supposedly they'll store longer in adverse conditions and are a bit more accurate.

>>29742100
>not buying Monarch steel case