How would you explain to a sailor in 1945 what naval warfare

>>29728285

Heres the U.S military's latest piece of shit

War is fought with politics not men

The semen would know better than you anon. We haven't had any naval warfare since ww2. You should ask the semen for advice instead.

>>29728285
its 2016!

>>29728285
much safer and less fun

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>>29728309

>We haven't had any naval warfare since WW2

There's been a lot of naval warfare since WW2

>>29728285

I would tell him that for the most part, deterrence through nuclear weapons and other systems has prevented any major naval battles from occurring.

After that, I would go into detail if he asks to know more about specific systems.

>>29728285
Staring at fancy blips of light on a screen. Then either the blips disappear or you die a horrendous fiery death in less than 10 seconds.

>>29728285

Hey sailor, you know those unguided artillery rockets that we have that we fired all over Normandy and missed everything? We put a machine inside that can aim it WAAAAY better. It can even hit a moving ship or plane in mid-air. Crazy.

You know those planes you have? We made them super better and they are much faster and can fly much higher. They are also armed with those smart missiles we just talked about.

Because of these two developments large battleships like the Iowa have become obsolete. Their large guns, while SUPER AWESOME are outranged and outmatched by these new smart missiles.

We have also put smart machines into REALLY fast firing machine guns, these can see missiles coming with a really smart kind of radar and use these smart guns to shoot down incoming missiles.

The basic idea of US naval warfare is to get our missiles and our planes into range of the enemy while shooting down all their missiles. Pretty simple, you aren't an idiot just because you are from 1945 where we already had planes, missiles, and rudimentary fire control computers.

>>29728285

First I'd tell him that the largest guns on the seas currently only have a caliber of 5 inches and then he'd laugh at me and not believe a single word I'd say afterwards.

>>29728285
>How would you explain to a sailor in 1945 what naval warfare is like in 2016?

In a missile fight? Hours of nothing followed by moments of abject terror.

>>29728413

I feel like they'd understand pretty well the idea of targets being allocated by sensors and communication when they can't even see what they are shooting at, just aiming where they are told, that was just how artillery worked.

The weirdest part would be that nobody but the US is a naval power and nobody dares fight a war because of the atomic sword of Damocles, so there are whole generations of weapons that have come and gone without ever finding out if they were any good or not.

>Yuo stare screen

>Yuo see blimp on screen

>Yuo poosh booton

>Dey also poosh booton

>dey go boom

>Den you go boom too

>>29728298
>Comrade Vladimir I have radar contact!
>Radar say is fish boat, calm down Boris.
>B-but what if Zumwalt?
>Always you say what if Zumwalt. Is never Zumwalt, is always fish boat. They come we shoot at with Kalashnikov they go. Glorious Soviet radar never wrong.

Suddenly the railgun...

>>29728285
it fucking sucks and that nuclear weapons have almost completely eliminated the big slugfests of his time.
also theres no more BBs
>>29728582
I wonder what a railgun sounds like.

>>29728598

Loud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uV1SbEuzFU

>>29728598
>Comrade Vladimir I have radar contact!
>Radar say is fish boat, calm down Boris.
>Always you say what if Zumwalt. Is never Zumwalt, is always fish boat. They come we..
>PONK
>Comrade where did you go?
>Why is there a huge hole in the ship?

>>29728648
neat, thanks anon.

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>>29728285

this looks comfy as fuck. how do i live in the world of op's pic?

how do I live on a zumwalt in the middle of winter?

>>29728598
>it goes pew

>>29728285
its shit

>>29728413
And pigeon guided bombs.


So long as you didnt bring up gps , rail guns, augmented reality, they guys from 45 would have no trouble getting it.

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>>29728285
Pretty much pic related
>[spoilers]read the image name[/spoilers]

>>29728298
I mean, you're not wrong. He'd probably accept the answer, no questions asked.

>>29728598
it shakes the fucking earth when they test fire it. makes the 5 inch sound like a pop gun.

>>29728309
>He doesn't know about Operation Preying Mantis

>>29728598
It sounds like thunder.

>>29729327
Or Operation Nimble Archer for that matter.

>>29728413
Seriously this. Just because they're from the past doesn't mean they're any less intelligent than us. Stop being arrogant: humans are humans.

>People are people so why should it be?

I mean, it's not like it would be super hard to explain. There are still people who fought that war and went on to see all of the technology we use developed. This is specially true for scientists. Many of the things we use today were theorized way back when and they already had a vision of that future, just as we don now with railguns, hypersonic missiles, pilotless fighter jets, and all that jazz.

>>29729597
>pointless fighter jets
I thought that was a real thing until I realized you were talking about the F-35.

>>29729077

Yo man, when every civilian employer out there who isn't a former veteran themselves, they just see "Oh, you're former military? Where's your silver star then? You fucked up?"

They gotta give out ribbons like candy so that when that soldier/sailor/airman whatever gets out in 4 to 7 years, they can actually find a job easily.

These days, not getting a PCS award after each tour is nearly as bad for your civilian jobs chances as a Other than Honorable Discharge

>>29728285
>Stealth Ship
>Radar on top is visible

>>29728285
>naval warfare is like in 2016
Non existant and obsolete ?

>>29728285
>How would you explain to a sailor in 1945 what naval warfare is like in 2016?

one SLBM submarine can destroy Manhattan island three times over.

>>29730064

Funny thing about radar-absorbent materials, they're NOT one-way mirrors. If waves are dulled one way, they're going to be dulled the other way as well.

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>>29728285
Did you just watch The final countdown?

>>29728285
Loudly. And with hand gestures, I imagine.

>>29728285

Those stupid kraut missiles ruined everything.

>>29728285
I want to show the 8th airforce that the f15 can carry more ordnance than a b17

>>29730091
This is, in practice, incorrect.

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>>29730099

No, I just read Zipang

That part with all the American dive-bombers getting BTFO out by the Mirai's CIWS
was amazing

>>29730126

Of course the dulling isn't going to be the same, because the ship's source of waves is much closer to the absorbent materials than any enemy radar source would be.

It's still probably to such a degree that is unacceptable to the Navy.

I wouldn't be surprised that if the Zumwalt's production models didn't have telescoping radar and communication antenna and what not, so it can hide those parts that stick out if need be.

>>29730138
So the japanese version of The Final Countdown
>weeb edition

>>29730161

Sorta

Except it's a destroyer and not an aircraft carrier and there's a lot more time spent on "Is it morally correct for us to change history?" than the American film attempted.

>>29730138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9G-zfvlOQk

>>29730099

I've always know about this film but have never seen it. Is it any good?

>>29730179
No.

The ship goes back in time, does nothing and then comes back.

>>29730185
yea the ship does nothing but the F14 scare the Nips.

>>29730185
aw man, I just started watching it and now it sounds shitty.
would be cool if a Ohio Class went back in time 2 days after pearl so we were in war, and then the Ohio nukes the shit out of Japan.

>>29728654
More like:
>Always you say what if Zumwalt. Is never Zumwalt, is always fish boat. They come, we-
>BOOM

>NEXT AT 8: Strange debris found floating in the Pacific Ocean today, along with what appears to be charred human remains.

>>29728285
Hey Dude, sit down and listen:

> Ship's armor is virtually non-existent anymore
>Drop your dungarees and your bucket hat, you gonna wear camouflage - in blue
>One carrier battle group could blow the entire jap force attacking Pearl out of the water - from 300 miles away.
>Oh, and while we're at it: Its now legal to buttslam your buddy so you dont have to do it behind the emergency diesel anymore.
>Alright, action stations, sailor - w...wait, is that a tattoo of a nude woman on your forearm? You gotta remove that, its offensive to women.

>>29730368
>Its now legal to buttslam your buddy so you dont have to do it behind the emergency diesel anymore.

Well, not exactly.

Romantic relationships on the ship are still very much discouraged, though I will admit they are not uncommon.

>>29728285
>Hey so like you know those aircraft carriers? Yeah, those are still a thing. And you know those batshit crazy nips that crashed their airplanes into ships? Well that's still a thing too, only now they use robotic ones that can be launched out of a tube from almost any ship. Flying torpedoes, basically. That's pretty much the bulk of ship-to-ship warfare right there. Oh, right, and radar is WAY better now.

>>29728413
You know they are alive today right? just ask them.

>>29728648
now the only thing i with think of when someone says bae

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>>29728285
404 not found.

>>29728333
That picture is like the only example. There has been almost none.

>>29730828
Middle east has had a lot of action since 1945.

>>29729380

That also means they'd be just as stupid as us, too.

>>29728285
OP, I hate to tell you this, but by the end of WWII, the USN had fielded:

Radio-guided bombs
Active Radar Homing bombs
Passive Sonar homing torpedoes
Rockets of various sizes, including 5" HVAR and the 12" Tiny Tim
Advanced electro-mechanical fire control computers and torpedo computers capable of hitting ships over the horizon and aircraft in flight
Proximity fuses
Cruise missiles (the JB-2 Loon, a radio-guided V-1 clone)
and quite a bit more beyond that.

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>>29730175
>Ramba Ral's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was a SBD pilot
THIS IS NO HELLCAT, BOY. NO HELLCAT!

>>29728298
>1945 steel fortress
>shit

>>29730064
yeah dude those navigational radars up there are all of the radar on the zumwalt. FFS i hate when civilians talk about naval shit.

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>>29730175

>>29728285
You don't have to man bofors anymore.

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>>29728285
>a sailor

>>29731304

Feels bad

>>29730828
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

Gay

>>29730627
>though I will admit they are not uncommon.

They're common as fuck. I'd say that your average Aircraft Carrier has as many relationships and fuck-buddies as your average college campus.

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>>29728285
>Like all other warfare in 2016, The world powers fight the poorest counties in the world.

>>29728413
that is interesting future man, so you have missles but also guns that shoot down missles. so why dont you go back to big guns?

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>>29728598

>>29728285
so you know those missiles the Nazis were throwing at England?
most of the navy surface ship use better versions of those to hit things at very long range
also carriers are even bigger now and the airplanes are jets
oh and modern submarines stay under water for weeks at a time and they too carry different kinds of missiles

>>29728285
"It doesn't happen"

>The USS Constitution is the only active navy ship to have sunk an enemy combatant.

>>29734458
Try to read a thread before claiming stupid shit based on your bad education.

>>29728333
>>29731816

>>29728333

Ah, yes, who could forget the US navy's contribution to the Falklands war?

>>29728285
I'd tell him that naval power Is all about airplanes and missiles now. That fighting at sea is more like fighting *from* the sea (to the land) and that attacks on Navy ships seem mostly to happen in port.

Only one side fights at a time.

And that it's still boring but mostly more comfortable with proper AC and heating.

Then I'd say "holy fuck, you're and old squid. "

>>29728413

Also: fucking a girl in the Philippines or Korea might kill you.

And: those smokin hot dames on Bugis Street in Singapore- they'll give you more than you expect.

>>29734808
Top kek

>>29734808
more than they were expecting but everything they were hoping for

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>>29734132

>>29734407

this.

it's actually very easy to explain these things. even children can grasp them.

i'd tell him his commander in chief is a darkie like the ship's cook and we'd both rotfl

>>29734132
I think that's what the railgun is for.

>>29728285
We see a dot, we don't like dots, press a button and it goes away.

>>29728285
>it's non-existent.

>>29728298

not true

http://www.duffelblog.com/2016/03/air-force-trillion-dollar-clusterfuck/

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>>29728285

>>29730138
>>29730175
Why is this legal

>>29734501

Damn, really?

>>29735787

Why would it be illegal?

>>29735831
I don't have the webm but there is a full clip showing the full carnage with some japanese fantasy.

Fact is japan is a client state to America. They can't get away with this sort of shit.

>>29735871
you cant be serious

>>29735740
what does best girl have to do with this

>>29735871

Man, I'd hate for you to see a little show called GATE then.

That has straight up American black OPs agents getting slaughtered by a loli death goddess while the JGSDF goes around being the goodest guys ever.

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That time the Engineering Chief took you down into the bilges and you both had to take off your coveralls so they wouldn't get dirty searching for that oil leak...?
Now it's 100% legal and you can do it any time you're not on Watch, heck you can even get quarters together when you're ashore and do it every day.

>>29735932
How would the japanese feel if we treated them like the conquered typically would, or worse let the soviets invade?

What's more boring;

Tank Loader
Naval Engineer
Hornet Shotgun seat

>>29736123
loader i would think

>>29736081

>best ally
>made good consumer technology and video games for a long time
>produces a steady supply for us of the premier commodity of the internet age, waifus
I don't understand, are you saying that Japan treats us POORLY?

>>29736174
Those things are gift to japan that we let them become a provider of those products, the free trade agreement which brought so much prosperity.

>>29736191

Ok anon, if you say so. Just remember that Hollywood spends just as much time fucking up the US military as Japan does, if not more.

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>>29728285
>>29728327

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>>29734132
CIWS guns have been used to intercept 5in shells before, hell they designed ground use versions too that intercept artillery and mortar fire.

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>>29736588
lawd abuv m8

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>>29728285
they'd probobly be impressed by how automated modern ships are. Baltimore class cruiser in WWII had a crew of over 1100 people, while a similarly-sized Zumwalt has only 140 people running the thing.

>>29732570
wait...wait...WAIIIIT. your telling me, that the 20something year old men and women working in confined spaces sometimes become romantically involved???

>>29736891

Hard to believe, I know, but you gotta believe me.

I've walked in on more than my fair share of struggle buggles, and in the strangest of places.

Grossest was those two fucks I saw in the fucking garbage room.

They'd be more shocked by the fact that ships don't need 10 hours to get to full steam.

>>29736852

Where the fuck do you fit 1100 people on a cruiser?

>>29728285


>hurr zumwalt is bad

We stopped it , 2 were built and they'll most likely never see combat and just used as PR material. Arleigh Burkes is where its at , most capable naval vessel in the world

>>29728285
I wonder how future crews will cope with the ever increasing lack of sky and sunlight that these newer ship designs are forcing on them.

They're almost becoming submarine crews.

>>29739116
HDDs full of anime, porn, and anime porn if the Navy boys I know are any indicator