gas mask general

>>29506626
that's a pretty quality jenkem mask

>>29506639
>jenkem
It's from a Venezuelan protest so that's probably what it's for.

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>>29506626
>/diy/ tear gas mask

>>29506626
You'll want to be somewhat low key, I would recommend a half mask respirator with P-100 cartridges. Pair that with a set of chemical splash goggles. The gogs have indirect vents which you'll want to seal with tabs of tape.

This setup doesn't give you the complete coverage that a full face rig does, but it's considerably less conspicuous. Tape a bandana over the respirator cartridges, because they're neon pink and will get you singled out for special attention.

Carry spare eyepro, as well. There's a good chance yours will get dislodged and lost in the ruckus.

Respirator: 3M 6000 or 7000 series halfmask.

Eyepro: UVEX splash goggles.

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>>29506825
Could I cover it up easily enough with something like this? How inconspicuous do I need the respiratory protection to be to avoid senpai policeman noticing me?

https://blackblok.com/masks/guy-fawkes/balaclava-tube/medic-guy-fawkes/red-anonymous-medic-response-team-guy-fawkes-balaclava-tube-mask?zenid=89jqh2gjacuvimvicup1qg7l14

I'd probably get the black one instead of the red one, but the red has better pictures. Also, is the V visage still popular at protests? I haven't played fix-the-broken-hippie since Occupy.

>>29507210
That mask might work to cover a respirator. You might want to look into welding respirators, they're designed to fit under welding hoods.

I'm not really up to speed on current protest fashions, but I suspect the Guy Fawkes look is still trending.

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>>29506626
Pic related is all you need to deal with a vast majority of events.

>>29506626
if you want a mask I would get a modern commercial mask

they are the most comfortable by miles and are actually designed for sustained use
if you are a protester/anarchist fag just get a 3M half face mask with organic fapour filters and smiwing goggles

antique masks are very very heavy, combersome, the filters are often out of date o toxic; many just don't work

milsurp from isreal or the czech repubilic are all over the market
they look pretty cool, and come at a decent price, also they usually have drinking tubes.
how would they rate in terms of protection to a modern mask?
no idea

just remember
A. you need a LOT of filters
B. filters go bad by being exposed to normal air, even if not in a mask
C. you need the right filters
D. practice putting one on in a hurry
E. the filters to mil-spec masks have plastic seals that must be removed prior to use, put them on with the plastic in and you can suffocate in your mask
F. you need masks that the filter can be changed without taking the mask off, I think czech are notable at failing in this
E. you are going to need HAZMAT suits, duct tape and a decontamination procedure if you are worried about a milliraty scale attack
preppers this means an airlock in your shelter and industrial air filters

>>29506626
>not patching up based Trump supporters after those BLM thugs strike first

I so want to accuse you of being a cuck.

>>29507711
OP here, I bought The Art of the Deal the other day. Voting Gary Johnson, though.

>>29507672
How sturdy are the straps? Looks like a welding style half-mask respirator would be harder to have ripped off my face.

>>29507781
how sturdy are the straps?
depends on what type of mask

the half face masks are just made for painters, with a double overhead strap
so they would be pretty easy to pull from a face

the full face masks have straps like modern millitary ones, albiet a bit less rugged

also the straps are decontaminatable on a lot of welding style masks, something often overlooked
toxic agent on your straps, poison yourself the next time you put it on, and can't store it in clean area

but realistically, wearing a mask makes you venurable
here's a test, get your mask and get a fiend to spray you in the face with a water pistol
now try doing anything while that is happening

in a riot you rely in numbers, if tear gas works on 90% of the people there, you're going to be fucked even if the gas doesn't get you personally; so it's really just for protection while you run away

in a SHTF situation I would advise hiding the fact you are wearing a mask, even if that means wrapping a cotton shirt around it or something, people who are choking will mob you for your respirator gear

>>29507877
Yeah, I meant the half-mask you referenced. I suspected it was easy to have broken off my face. The welding half-masks seem to take similar cartridges, have a lower profile, and have beefier straps.

>>29507940
if you get grabbed by police expect them to rip off the mask

the full face masks are also a face shield too, generally they are superior; exept that they draw alot of attention to you in a crowd

>>29508085
Who makes/sells those at a reasonable price?

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>>29506626

>>29508654
well that depends where you are in the world
I had 3M recommend in the states

but that being said, these are for industrial use and so they meet standard accreditation if you arn't in some third world shithole

so just google your local certification of industrial safety products and I recon you would be safe with any that met certification

you can buy them at large hardware stores, specialist trade stores (esp electrical, painting, welding) or online
but expect the better ones to be crazy expensive, they are often better than mil-spec and price as such

word of caution though, the fucking chinese are selling thowsands of substandard knock-offs for export to africa, they get only ebay all the time and ebay is doing fuck all about it

so if you want a price check, go the the manufacturers website and find your local stocker

>>29508814
Man, the full facepiece 3M respirators are a lot more expensive than the half masks.

>>29508806
fake as fuck

dust masks won't work unless they are airtight, and even then only if they have organic vapor filters

eye protection must be waterproof, NOT just eye protection

anti-acid in water does work though
just be aware that you are exposing people to it that might have an allergic reaction

>>29508870
yea, that's exactly why I recomended a half face mask and goggles for all your tear gas and tear gas related aplications

>>29508893
what about ski/desert goggles?

>>29506767
Wouldnt that just keep more teargas in your face?

>>29508999
wait never mind I thought that mask was worn

>>29508806
>b8 for newfags and disinfo for edgy teens and retarded homeless people who don't into education or job and hence occupy wallstreet

>>29508881
>just be aware that you are exposing people to it that might have an allergic reaction
What the fuck is this, a restaurant? If you got severe allergies to certain chemicals, the least smart thing to do is go to a riot with police dumping chemicals on protestors.
And if you do go, you'd be a retard to not prepare with things to deal with your bad allergies.

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http://www.amazon.com/Miller-Electric-2240377-Half-Respirator/dp/B00V7UUNU4

How's this one seem?
To my uneducated eyes it seems like a good, lower profile alternative to the 3M mask.

>>29509264
>http://www.amazon.com/Miller-Electric-2240377-Half-Respirator/dp/B00V7UUNU4
well I can only look at it, at least it meets certification

one big issue is filter availability, like guns some manufacturers try to make a quick buck by releasing a model that only accepts a proprietary cartridge that they price-up later

don't see why you wouldn't get
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Facepiece-Respirator-Respiratory-Protection/dp/B00AR63G12/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1459922332&sr=1-1&keywords=3m+half+face+respirator
because they are compatible with serious filters which might come in handy

but yours would work just fine I suppose, it meets certification

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>>29506626
Survivair mask is pretty neat.

>>29506626
Are any industrial masks compatible with 40mm NATO cartridges?

>>29511362

Got a german Dräger Panorama and i use german army filters (40mm NATO thread)

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>>29511362
mestel masks, used by riot police all around the world with superior FOV and high end protection.

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Fuck gasmasks.
I'd rather die choking in a toxic cloud than put one on ever again.

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>>29511434
did u say Draeger?

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>>29506626
My favorite one right here.

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how about a mask made by Firestone

>>29511540
Where did the gas mask touch you anon?

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>>29511652
And here's the rest. I can review any you want. I also have a shit load of brand new filters I got for free from someone I know in hazmat

>>29511434
>>29511646
This, got my dragers brand new with filter and BW case, they fit great and they are not bulky. Only cost ~$18 a pop.

But really anything that you can get new quality filters for should be good, wether they be NATO or 3M.

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and heres a mask made by Goodyear

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MCU-2AP with chemical hood

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>>29511646
Yeah :D I use the "Panorama".

>>29511652
Sweet, what is that? Does it take 40mm?
>>29511660
>wanting a mask that will explode on your face

>>29511773
Are you German? American EMT/volunteer firefighter here, I've been looking into saving up my eventual paramedic wages (after I finish up the schooling) to move to Germany for further education (med school and/or bioengineering).

>>29511848
I am. German medical schooling is very good, if you have questions, i've got some paramedic friends i could ask.

>>29512279
How much German do I need to learn first? On one hand, I've heard that a lot of medical programs are taught in English so as to promote international endeavors, but on the other hand, I've heard that I'm too white to be allowed to immigrate without near-fluent German.

>>29511773
Nice kit, are those air hoses behind your head?

>>29512393

You should understand what they say, otherwise it will be a lot harder to learn everything. But most germans speak english, a lot fluent, so i think you can ask alot around.
I never heard about someone sent back home cause of bad german. You can come around quite well without german, and you will learn it much faster when you are here. Cause then, you must learn.

>>29512842
Nope, that is just a wall drawing :D But i got the NATO Hose for my mask, so i can wear the filter on my back (2 at a time).

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>>29506626

How can I fit myself for a gas mask? I've been looking into this but having trouble.

>>29514122
Probably depends on the mask, broseki. What are you looking at?

>>29514122
Google respirator fit testing. There's 2 set ups commonly used- banana oil and irritant smoke. I've used both, I prefer the irritant smoke because it gives you a definitive go-no go answer.

To fit test yourself, you'll need a decent sized mirror. Google the OSHA fit test standard, use that as your template.

If you're fitting a half mask, and using the irritant smoke protocol, get yourself some swim goggles or similar. That smoke hurts like a mad bastard if it gets in your eyes.

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M10 > All

>>29511778
That's an S10 or SF10.

>>29514276
Somebody please tell me why they would ever consider using GP-5 masks.

>>29515131
>It is probably the single most common type of gas mask in the world.
http://gasmaskandrespirator.wikia.com/wiki/Russian_GP-5_Gas_Mask

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>>29507662
>>29506825
my goggles clash with the rubber seal of the mask, senpai

if I let them ride up high enough it's fine but feels wonky

>>29515248
Swimming goggles were suggested ITT, too, maybe give those a try--they're a lot less bulky than the monogoggles.

any STALKERS here have a PBF? can you screw 40mm NATO filters on them, or are you restricted to the filters they're built for?

>>29506626
>gasmasks
>ever

Don't mind me I'll just be over here with my dual 2.5 liter SCBA system. Enjoy only being able to prevent particles from entering your lungs and not smoke or any other invisible elements.

>>29515454
nigga do you know how heavy scuba gear is out of the water?

>>29515468
I agree that he's a moron but SCBA and SCUBA is not the same

SCBA is for firefighters mostly

SCUBA is for divers

>>29515454
you know you can filter more than particles, right?

0/10 bait

>>29515454
>not using a rebreather

Enjoy your back problems.

>>29515468
>SCBA
>SCUBA

senpai, do you know the difference

>>29515468
dual 2.5 liter tanks are not even close to what I would consider heavy and are perfectly balanced using broad back carry harnesses

>>29515486
Gasmasks will do you no good in smoke or in any condition where the air isn't naturally breathable such as Carbon monoxide.

The effect of tear gas is not the smoke, but the fine particles that attach and attack the lungs.

>>29515514
If I didn't get back problems from the gear we used in iraq or the gear we use now in the fire department I doubt a few hours wearing it will give me problems now.

>>29514558
It's an FM12, it says on the drinking tube.

>>29515454
I know older medics, firefighters, and hazmat response guys who are going to the hospital the next time they try to do anything strenuous with a pack do to duty-related injuries, so they stick to PAPR business and/or supervisor/instructor roles.

Furthermore, if the threat is known to be limited to something for which a small mask will suffice, it's a lot easier to shove a 3M respirator and goggles into your cargo pocket than it is to traipse about in full firefighter fetish gear--also decreases the chance of fucking up your back when some asshole in the crowd knocks you on your ass.

I wear an SCBA on the fire and rescue trucks and a PAPR (with a facepiece instead of a hood) for shit in the ambulance, because it takes up less space and the back of an ambulance is cramped as hell.

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>>29506639

>>29514558
>Google
>20 year mask life
Is that something to worry about? I know about filter expiration, just not mask life.

>>29514379
I was hoping to pick up milsurp maybe Israeli stuff or an M40
If not probably one of the Israeli civvie kits

I had a thread post about this last week.


Go to the CDC website and it will tell you a P100 filter from 3m will filter the particulates of tear gas.

I would recommend you go read that for yourself rather than listen to 4chan.
A half respirator and filters costa 3t bucks at Lowe's home depot etc

Get the chemical splash goggles so they don't interfere with the seal

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Is this any good? it's the best gas mask that is stocked at preppersshop.co.uk, which is a really good preppers shop for the uk, everything is really cheap, in case any other bongs wanna check it out, I just wanted to know whether this one is any good or not, because gas mask is one of the few things not in my inch bag

>>29515875
http://www.preppersshop.co.uk/new-swedish-civil-defence-forsheda-nbc-f2-a4-gas-mask--filter-8184-p.asp
forgot link

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From left to right: Polish "DANKA S", Russian PBF, Polish SR-1, Polish OM-14. Also my DP-66M radiation detector on the left in the background.

>>29515594
oh this isn't bait, you're just retarded

there are filters rated down to organic vapors. CS gas cannot penetrate them. but please, keep talking out of your ass, it's entertaining

>>29515887
Looks like it's out of stock anyway.

If you want a quality surplus gas mask I hear Israeli civilian ones are cheap and good quality. Usually around $20-30.

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>>29511494
>mestel masks, used by riot police all around the world with superior FOV and high end protection.
This. I'm not sure why the retards in here are recommending expired surplus masks or paint respirators.

>>29515248
*PERSEC

>>29517231
I should have included that the only downside is that even with the triple port model, I still can't shoulder my RFB and see through my EOTech or BUIS. So its a good idea to have a laser.

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>>29506767
I actually made one just for kicks. Pretty hard to make it airtight but if you manage it, it works well enough for what it is.


Also I have a general question. Wouldn't swimming goggles work well enough to protect your eyes? I mean they have a pretty good seal around your eyes that I would think so.

>>29518093
>swimming goggles
Not sure about those, but someone suggested
>smiwing goggles
>>29507672

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>>29506626
>/k/omrades be like

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South Korean K1 (or Evolution 5000's) are pretty neat masks. Pretty expensive on surplus sites, you can get one for a good deal on eBay sometimes. I only spent $25 on mine. But if you really want something for tear gas, you might want something like an M10, or a more practical Israeli 4A1 or M15, since the filters for those don't take up to 10 minutes to replace.

>>29515248
One solution is to try different respirator brands, see if you can find one that doesn't interfere. The reason I use 3M with UVEX goggles is that they don't interfere with each other.

Everybody has a different face profile. You might have to play mix'n'match with eyepro and respirator brands/styles/sizes until you hit the right combo.

>>29507662

Don't splash goggles have air vents that gas can get in?

>>29514510
Thanks anon

>>29519982
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>>29506825
>The gogs have indirect vents which you'll want to seal with tabs of tape.

excellent there is a general for gas masks here

I am a /fa/ggot who bought a milsurp jacket off ebay but got send a gas mask instead that they are kindly letting me keep

Does this look fully functional to you with everything it need to operate? I have 2 spare lens, 2 filter looking things, and 2 silver bags with writing in a language i don't understand.

Can someone give instruction or link me to a place where I can learn how to use it? I can't imagine I'll ever need it but now that I have it, why not I guess

>>29520110
Pics or identifying details? What kind of alphabet does it use? There's a link to a wiki in the OP that might help, too.

>>29520110
Pics please?

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>>29520110
ah shit I forgot image.

>>29520157
That's a Czech M10. Only good for tear gas nowadays, those filters were rated for NBC use, but they're long expired to be used in such a situation.

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>>29520157
the silver package. it says "

"licnicovy filter
FL-10M
Lava Vlozzka

Obaly otvorit az
pred vlozenim do licnice!
chranit pred mechanickym
poskodenim!
VSK"

>>29520173
ah alright, I guess it'll be nice for halloween costumes and possible civil unrest. its kinda too cool to sell

>>29520202
I agree, they are really cool masks. My first mask I bought was an M10M, which is essentially the same, except it uses a drinking tube, much like the M17A2 gas mask (which it was a copy of).

Since the M10 is one of the many Eastern Blo copies of the US M17 gas mask series, they also use bilateral internal cheek filters. Meaning the filters go INSIDE the mask, rather than being threaded on. Trust me when I say that they are a HUGE pain in the ass to install.

>>29520237
so you say the only thing thats expired is the filter? so if I bought new filters I would have a working gas mask again? is it the mask itself thats "only good for tear gas" or were you talking about the filters. Also whats NBC situations? Nuclear Blast Conditions?

>>29520272
Well, the M10 has been out of service for a long time. There's a good reason why they replaced proprietary cheek filter masks. All the filters are expired, even if they are sealed. Most filters have activated charcoal in them, which gradually deteriorates over time, since the charcoal weakens, (kind of becomes a slight powdery substance in the filter), which greatly lowers it's filtering capacity, rendering the filter useless for NBC scenarios, but I'm pretty sure that they'd still good for tear gas though. NBC stands for Nuclear Biological and Chemical.

Note: The M10 will NOT take 40mm or 60mm threaded filters. It uses cheek filters made specifically for it, which again are long expired.

>>29515131
>>29515198
Isn't the GP-5 a civilian mask anyway? I thought military masks were supposed to have the filters on the side or inside the cheeks so they don't fuck up your cheek weld.

What kind of filter would I need to filter everything that is able to be filtered? I.e. not carbon monoxide (as that would require a air tank) and not CBRN agents that work through skin contact (as that would require a pressurised hazmat/CBRN suit). Is there even a filter that will cover "everything"? Or do you have to know what you're up against and swap filters accordingly?

>>29521914
Personally, I think Mestel filters would probably be your best choice. They're expensive as hell, but you get what you paid for. They're pretty much the H&K of filters.

Filters by Scott Aviation are also pretty high quality and can filter out most particulates.

But if you aren't made of money, Korean K1 filters are a better alternative, they are allegedly twice as effective as the US Military's C2A1 filter.

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>>29519488
More like

>>29520919
>Isn't the GP-5 a civilian mask anyway?
Yes.

>>29523271
*Insert Stalker or Metro joke here*

Does anyone have a guide on how to repurpose gas mask filters?

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>>29527544
Ha, that looks like it's a Korean K1/Evo 5000.