Australian /k/ general: The Sequel

>tfw almost perfect time to get licence and do course
>NFA review
>local gun shop closed down cause of some bullshit
>good time for me, bad time for circumstances
Fuck

Now I'm off work sick and getting no money and can't afford to do it. Cunts

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>>29494057
There is always a compromise for guns

Look at me, my car is a shitbox :D

>>29494057
>>29494211
Also speaking of NFA review i have 3 guns possibly effected
Mossberg mvp (use of ar15 mags)
Rossi circuit judge (because its almost semi)
And ofcourse the Adler

>>29494057
I'm also into cars and bikes so money goes to them first unfortunately
One day I will guns

>>29494701
i meant to reply with this to
>>29494211

>>29494211
What optic you got on that Adler?
I'm getting a 28" Synth soon and want it to look tacticool as possible

>>29494057
>>29494263
What is the update on the NFA review for you sad bastards? I haven't been on in a few days because of a ban that just passed.

>>29495358
Nothing has happened so far.
There was a meeting that it was meant to be discussed at, but they did not bring it up.

My guess is they're waiting until the 20th anniversary of PA to ride the feels train even further

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>Just got the news my only hunting buddy has stomach cancer

>>29497674
The Austrian people would be glad when that gun owner monster is dead. His family is ashamed that he owned tools that can kill a lot of people in seconds. He was a stain of your country. A literal cancer that your fellow cuntryman hates too the core of their being. All for owning a piece of metal.

I'm hoping that we come out on a win, apparently we've got a few pro gun people on the committee or whatever it is so that's good. I'll even count a no more restrictions as a win.
If we do lose out, more money for me I guess, dirty money, but still money.

>>29497827
>hoping that we come out on a win
There will be no win. We are just in for one long slow loss, as bit by bit more restrictions are put in place until eventually almost no-one will be allowed to have a gun.

tis the way the wind is blowing.

To the top!

>>29498081
I can still hope, still write letters, e-mails, get people involved etc.

>>29493700
Guys NFA review just dropped.

5 round magazines are the new max capacity (goodbye enfields, carcanos and K31s) and all lever actions have been moved to catagory C

Oh god, I can't do it any more.

>>29498402
Nice source.

>>29498402
>>29498438
Source
http://peekyforums.com/thread/29084667/weapons/guys-nfa-review-just-dropped.html

>>29498508
>Source

>>29498402
>>29498508
Ugh. Fuck off, parrot.

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>>29497827
Word from audience members was proguns were interrupted and talked down to, antis with feel stories were given the spotlight

>Stacked deck

>>29498664
>> "THE STROKE OF A PENIS...."

Well that about sums up lil'Johnnie and his cockgrabbing in 1996

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>>29495394
The Libs are too busy trying to manufacture the double-disillusion election while Turdbull is still slightly less detestable than Shortarse, in doing so theyve already pissed off the Senate independants who are also on the NFA committee.
>Nothing will happen on NFA until after the election.
The only ones who are really pushing for more NFA are the AFP and leftie state cops.
>So vote for more ALA, S&F, LDP in the Senate for balance of power over the Greens

Everyone got their popcorn ready.
Tonight's gonna be fun.

>>29493700
Is there an Internet stream for it

>>29498836
>two pro-funs vs. everyone else

"THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM! THIS IS WHERE THEY DIE! EARN THESE SHIELDS BOYS!"

>>29498849
They're going to be talking all calm and shit and just get squealed at half way through sentences

Anyone else on board with the AR-15 pistol idea?

>>29495281
Primary arms advanced micro

>>29498941
Won't work in SA. The gun laws they passed last year ban modifying a gun so it looks like a firearm of a higher category. They would probably ban AR15 pistols on that.

>>29498941
I got told if it imitates the appearance or function of a category R firearm then it is a category R firearm

>>29499050

Where is this written friend??

I was able to register my WFA1 without issue

>>29499108
Firearms Act of 2015

>>29493700
What's happening to the licensing system? How would one go about getting a licence after the changes are put in place?

>>29499182
You won't licences will not be issues to non-government jobs or pest control company members after 1 Jan 2017, the current licenses will be left to expire with no option of renewal.

>>29499189
Source?

>>29499210
His time machine.

The slaughter starts in 2 mins guys
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/live

I'm going to be moving to the United States anyway, but I can't stand to see my home country's people be made to suffer by slow disarmament. Our leaders are fucking shit-tards, it makes me want to run for senate even though I'm fully sure I wouldn't get anywhere in Australian parliament.

>>29499050
But that's the thing - it's not modified if it comes from the factory in such a configuration.

>>29499239
It's all about technicalities.That's what the gov uses to shit on people.

>>29499057
Well, an AR-15 is a Cat D...

>>29499239
>attaches magazine

Oh look, you modified it to look lime a Cat D!

>>29499242
Technicalities and vague as fuck wording that gives the cops loads of wiggle room.

>>29499242
And that's why we use technicalities against them.
It has worked for the Ruger Charger - no issue with chucking a brace on that and ending up with an SBR 10/22.

has it started yet?

>>29499251
Exactly.

>>29499246
It would be Category H - Magazines are permitted - again, see the Ruger Charger.

>>29499256
Don't think so

>>29499256
5 minutes.

>>29499254
still cant hunt with it

>>29499264
And that's not much of a concern for me.
I just want one for plinking.

If we can get an AR-15 through we might be able to actually have fucking 3-gun competitions.
I saw one when I was in the US and I'm still hooked.
I need me some 3-gun.

>>29499225
>http://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/live
IM LOSING MY SHIT ALREADY AND IT HASNT STARTED

>>29499273
>Tfw you live in WA and won't get to see it for another two hours.

JOHN HOWARD IS ON INSIGHT

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/live

>>29499278
You don't want to see this. 5min in and I hate everything.

>>29499280
Ol' eyebrows himself.

the Entire GCA group is in the audience by the looks of it

>>29499287
Six angry housewives?

>>29499278
FUCKING THIS>>29499282

SHES A FUCKING LIAR FUCK
Shes just said he had the weapon up when he clearly hip fired if you look at the reports.

Johnny's got a shit eating grin going on during the survivors story

Why did that cop just contradict her story.
"two or three shots followed by one or two"
Compared to her "rapid firing story"

FUck off

Nothing but pandering to the victims so far.

They are an assault rifle, their prime purpose is to kill.
FUCK OFF CUNT.

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>>29499293
>http://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/live
>>29499292
>>29499291
>>29499287
>>29499285
>>29499282
>>29499280
>>29499296
>>29499297

>>29499297
>so far

It's going to be the whole show mate.

Is this shit solely about Port Arthur?

>>29499309
when guns are the topic in australia? yes

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>>29499309
most likely

>>29499309
Mainly just "MUH FEELS"

I'd love to be able to watch this without it cutting our every fucking ten seconds.
Good thing the telstra ad can load in HD just fine though

>>29499301
>T H E R I D E N E V E R E N D S

>>29499321
Prep your hangman's noose my friend.

>>29499320
Fucking this. Their whole argument is based on MUH FEELS.

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>mfw howards gettin rekt

>>29499326
>I see your argument, you have logically stated your point and backed it with evidence, but let me counter your position with this:
>M U H F E E L S

>>29499330
REALLY?
Details man!

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GREEEEEEEEEEEEENS

the fucking shoots party dosnt want semis, what the fuck do they think there members want

Stupid greens socialist alliance scum fucking mother fucker

This actually isn't going that badly

I expect it to take a turn for the retarded soon

would be nice if the sbs site actually worked so i could watch this shit?

Why are the greens so fucking shit

>>29499348
S+F are a bunch of fudds, what did you honestly expect?

Why do I watch this?
Just makes me mad as fuck and hate my own country.

What the fuck was up with that mp.

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>>29499351
You FUCKING WHITE MALE

>>29499356
Muh feels the country
Take a t shirt cannon cause it's a illegal firearm
Ban under 16 year olds from riding quad bikes
Padded rooms and straight jackets for everyong
I fucking hate this shit

>>29499347
I so fucking hate the Greens
http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/nsw/firearms

It's literally a muh vote grab for public safety and fearmongering. Licensed gun owners don't commit huge swathes of gun violence in this country, its the fucking crims that don't care one damn way or another and they'll get guns regardless of how the laws are.

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why the fuck is jon johward sitting their like some special guest

what does he know about guns besides banning them?

>>29499361
at least we don't have to wear helmets in the NT

>>29499361
Kek
I was ripping shit up in my quad when I was like 8.

ALL PISTOLS ARE SEMI AUTO YOU STUPID BITCH

>>29499373
DON'T LET HER KNOW THAT

BACK GROUND CHECKS FOR RENTING GUNS?!?!?!? How fucking fast do these idiots think government departments run

so this mentally ill bitch tricked some dudes and killed her father

lol

police checks don't check for hospital records lol

ITS NOT THEIR FAULT YOUR SISTER IS SOME MURDEROUS CRAZY BITCH LAY THE BLAME AT YOUR SISTERS FEET NOT SOME OTHER DUDES

FUCK SAKE

Why do these Greens lads all look the same

greens guy sounds like a poof

>>29499393
Feminine... Because that's leftism

>>29499381
Blood line sounds bad - I'm afraid of her - we should kill her - if it saves one life...

>extremist 15 yr old

do these people even exist more like its just some edgy teen...

fuck how long does this last i don't think my anger is getting out of control

>>29499381
But that would imply accountability and personal responsibility... which is always the lesser option when blame is much easier.

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>>29499408
i'm okay

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>>29499414
>>29499403
>muh sister was a good person and would never hurt anyone but the ebil gun owners killed my father it wasn't my sister

>>29499408
How much longer?

>>29499418
So standard female "I'm not responsible for my own actions".

So wait, where did Farhad Mohammad's gun come from then? Was it bought before the buyback and never registered or was it smuggled here or what? I can't find any articles that say

>>29499424
There are no reports - regardless, it was already illegal so more laws ain't gonna do shit.

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so this isn't biased as well having johnnie howard being the only one sitting next to the host?

good work sbs

>but i always knew this would be a rought

anyone else avoid commercial television like the plague unless its sport?

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>>29499424
>>29499427

probably another psyop like port authur

>inb4 they neva happen anon

>>29499431
I especially avoid sport.
I can't stand the four hour pre-game show and the ten hour post-game show.

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???

>>29499424
Its an illegal import that was traced back to the USA but was never documented leaving the USA or arriving in Aus.

Illegal import of a handgun that cannot be legally possed by sporting shooters that was illegally unregistered and possessed illegally with illegally possessed ammunition. That was loaded illegally then carried in a public place illegally and used to commit a murder.

You may notice a trend with the blatant disregard for the laws around such matters.

>>29499436
PA was shady as fuck.
>He was already banned from owning firearms.
>He was already under suspicion of murder.
>Reports of multiple gunmen.
>Jerry Michulek level of accuracy and speed.
>Eyebrows blocked a royal commission from investigating.
>NFA had been drafted since 1991, and PA magically happened when Eyebrows was introducing it.

THIS GREENS FAGGOT DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT GUNS.

i know this is going to sound edgy but if your a police officer your putting yourself out their to fight bad dudes and as a result your going to put yourself in harms way

thats your choice mate and you need to understand that but even so you still have the ability to defend yourself with a firearm

why cant i have that same ability? and why should i care about your choices? sorry police officers but your not special snowflakes

>>29499455
Well no shit. To him they're just scary murder monsters.

>>29499444
Kek
>>29499455
What did you really expect

>GOOD, THAT'S HOW IT'S MEANT TO BE. NOW CAN I TALK ABOUT MY FEELINGS?

THis bitch is full of shit.

This bitch... Muh feels

>>29499457
Consider this.
Security guards are allowed to possess and carry firearms to defend amounts of cash - yet you are not allowed to own a firearm for defense of your life in your own home.

AND I TURNED IT OFF

>makes calm and logical points
>gets shouted down with MUH FEELS for 2 minutes

>>29499470
Holy fuck.
How does that guy not look in the mirror and release he's about to eliminate all the juice.

>>29499475
>One of the 2 pro guns is a cherry picked fudd

SBS....your taxes at work

>>29499473
but money is more important that human life in australia m80 well this is how the laws see it...

>>29499479
It's especially funny when you remember the Hitler was a gun grabber vegan who went to a liberal arts college and had the 1930's equivalent of an ironic beard.

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help us david-wan kenobi

you're our only hope

Is it possible for someone to make a highlights or lowlights video?
I don't want to watch the whole thing because I will likely do something that will mean I cannot get a gun licence later on

>>29499480
They're both fudds.
One's a farmer who's sitting on the border of the issue and the other is the least pro-fun member of the S+F party.

Cranky now
All this talk about 'fraying the edges' of gun laws is bullshit
We're a democratic country, if enough people have a say that they don't want the laws the way they are- then democratically there's a RIGHT to have them with the majority support.

>people talk too much about human rights
>even get obsessive about it

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

>says Robert Brown has a right to his opinion
>openly says he didn't want to consult shooters in his laws

>>29499489
>I don't want to watch the whole thing because I will likely do something that will mean I cannot get a gun licence later on
Stand in the middle of the street, screeching like a baboon, then hovering your arse inches off the asphalt and leaving a shit if perfect cursive, declaring your independence as a sovereign state from Australia?

i just raged so hard why is howard getting the last say

all he has is >le taking away your rights was the right thing to do goyim

fuck i'm so glad it ended i couldn't have gotten more angry

>>29499487
>Hitler was a gun grabber

It's funny how pro gun people can do all the research about firearms and realise they aren't a problem but when it comes to Hitlers gun laws they parrot all the bullshit about him taking them

>>29499491
One of them isn't a fudd, he comes from the firearms lobby facebook page & is really good, but they fucked him in the filming and the edit

>>29499502
Let's just say that if eyebrows had an incident on his morning walk you shouldn't be surprised

>>29499491
how can you be pro fun and agree with banning semies?

>>29499470
Never trust a fella with a comb over and dodgy moe :)

>>29499509
Hitler was a gun grabber though. He banned "undesirables" from owning guns.

>>29499521
>he banned commies from owning guns
>loved them for everyone else

Nothing wrong there

>>29499512
Because they're cherry picked.
Based David would have destroyed all arguments, but for some reason he was not invited.

>>29499527
*loosened

>>29499511
Kek, I remember when everyone was freaking out because a guy had a screwdriver when he took a picture with him.

>>29499527
>Completely forgetting about the Jews

Retard.

>>29499527
>He banned people who didn't agree with him from having weapons
>He loved that he and his supporters could have weapons

No matter how you try and spin it, this is no different than these politicians who wander around with armed guards banning civilian ownership.

>>29499509
He did liverlise gun ownership laws provided you were a good Aryan party member.

If you happened to be a Jew or other undesirable person then the laws became even stricter.

>>29499536
I said commies didn't I?

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this is why i want this country to be invaded by a greater military force and then all these lefties will quickly learn there is a point in civilians owning firearms

>but muh army of 10k soldiers and police force will surely save me

>>29499545
Who ever does it I'll more then likely support then. Seriously this country is such a fucking joke.

>>29499540
>Capitalist bankers
>Commies

Does not compute.

>>29499545
>this is why i want this country to be invaded by a greater military force
No
You really don't want that.

>>29499558
>bolsheviks and zionists are both jews you idiot

>>29499565
>Being this retarded.

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>>29499562
no actually i do

don't tell me how to think all your going down the road of those green lefties poofs and forcing your feelings on me

I WANT SHIT TO POP OFF

>>29499545
that's a bit extreme

>>29499568
You only do because you've never been a part of a full scale conflict and are too self centred to think of anyone else but yourself.

>>29499568
careful, your edge is showing

>>29499568
We can hope anon

>>29499578
oh and you have? pls do tell what is your extensive combat experience?

>think of the chilluns

think of this we are ripe with natural resources and the only thing protecting us is we are selling of land to china and we have a loose alliance with the USA

otherwise we would be completely fuckes aka africa/middle east

>>29499585
good

>>29499570
is it really

>>29499591
careful someone will accuse you of being edgy

>All these Nazism fucks in this thread.
Liberty for some is liberty for none.

>>29499599
you honestly sound like an angsty highschool teenager.

You don't have to have any combat experience to explain to a kid that war's terrible. Go tell your opinion to any vet and see what they think of your solution. You don't understand the scale of what you're talking about, considering your main factor for believing what you typed is "lol lefties has no gunzz!"

>>29499470
the mo on that bloke is equivalent to the small mountain of hair collected at my feet as I trimmed my ballsack in the shower last night

>>29499622
>You don't have to have any combat experience to explain to a kid that war's terrible.

lol so your argument is just

>wars terrible because it is and i have no combat experience to back up my assumptions

i will tell you this their would be plenty of vets from all modern wars that would tell you it was the best time of their lives and they had heaps of fun

but your gunna say words like edgy and teenager now

but unlike the muh feels argument you have i know for a fact many vets thought it was like a turkey shoot and loved the shit out of it

>war is terrorwabble anon

fuck off you weak little girl

>>29499599
2 tours of Timor, 3 tours of Afghanistan and 2 tours of Iraq.
I'm still picking bits of aluminium out of my back every now and then because people don't give a fuck about your politics in a war zone. Its not something I'd wish on my country to every have to deal with.

>>29499599
>otherwise we would be completely fuckes aka africa/middle east
Are you literally fucking retarded

>we have a loose alliance with the USA
You are literally fucking retarded

What was WW1 and WW2, what was Korea, what was Vietnam?

I hope you're a master troll because my nigger if you believe the shit you're saying, you're in the wrong fucking neighbourhood

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lol some of you cunts actually believe in the Port Arthur conspiracy theories.

Come on mates, Bryant did it, you are just embarrassing yourselves with your tinfoil hat bullshit.

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>>29499643
have some military background in your family then we'll talk

you're clearly a troll or have no idea what you're talking about.

>>29499649
are you >>29499622


and why did you do so many tours if it was so horrible and your picking bits of aluminium out of your back?

>>29499654
>Are you literally fucking retarded

nope its safe to say we would be fucked if we weren't allied with the U.S. someone would of fucked us over quick smart

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>>29499666

>>29499663
>have some military background in your family then we'll talk

yeah i do my grand father was a pow in nazi germany and was captured and forced into a pow camp

he tried to escape 3 times in which one time included being shot in the back and falling onto barbed wire

but i didn't want to bring that shit up because its not important to my arguments

cunt

>>29499649
Harry C? Astute, OBG2, MTF1, SOTG TF88? I knew you were on here you nigger.

>>29499675
So you haven't even served in the girl scouts? Uppercut yourself.

>>29499674
do you see any western nation running to africa's aid right now?

is your argument that african doesn't have any resrouces?

>>29499643
He's being a righteous fag

This country is a pussy whipped cluster fuck of feeling police bullshit ran by out of touch boomers who keep making policy and their opinions into law.
The public keep complaining about the government but won't stop fucking voting the parties that are doing it.
The main parties are center left, left, and far left.
There is no platform at all for anyone with conservative opinions so the publics view of shit is entirely based off our all pussy bitch media.

This country over regulates and taxes the fuck out of literally everything and it's never going to change.
The public are too busy getting shit faced all the time maybe they would stop being so apathetic about politics if alcohol was banned, but I doubt it.

This country needs to get invaded to stop this ridiculous bullshit or we're gonna end up in padded rooms all wearing floaties and straight jackets to make us """""""""safer"""""""""

>>29499684
>thank you for your services

but you asked if anyone in my family had and i answered your question? then you have a problem with me answering your questions... are you retarded

well your probably not the guy who posted the question in the first place so whatever

but no i didn't see australia getting invaded or any direct threat to my country from anyone in particular except idiots blowing people up on the odd occasion so i didn't see any necessity to serve

this is the funny thing you say war is hell and don't want a bar of it but then give me a hard time when i say i didn't serve and didn't want a bar of it

i love your logic

>>29499690
be careful anon someone might ask you if you or your family members have served because that somehow proves if your argument has some validity or not

>>29499656
I believe he did it, just it's very shady how it went down and the aftermath.

>Shitposting. Shitposting never changes.

>>29499666
>are you >>29499622
No
>and why did you do so many tours if it was so horrible and your picking bits of aluminium out of your back?
Because I had a job to do and people who relied on me to do that job, sometimes you get wounded doing it.

>>29499678
No squire, I'm not him. I tend to keep my service history quiet.

Just shits me when I see dumb dumbs making claims for military conflict as any way to further a political agenda as being nothing but utterly stupid cretins.

>>29499656
wow great argument anon you totally proved that martin did it and now i will always say well refer to anons post because that totally proves martin murdered all those people

yep

>>29499734
Did you watch the Channel 7 thing where they showed him being interviewed by the cops?

He did it m8.

>>29499730
>Because I had a job to do and people who relied on me to do that job, sometimes you get wounded doing it.

thats a bullshit answer and you know it there was no one relying on you and there are plenty of jobs in australia to choose from you didn't have to do multiple tours in conflict zones

i know this is probably the first time someone has challenged you over your choice to be in the military but i'm going to say this now muhhammed was never going to hurt us ever

also your argument is

>war is hell but i'm a super cool dude for participating in it but thats fine as long as its in trashcanistan but not here

fuck off

>bring on the (you)'s

>>29499751
>Believing edited media.

>>29499751
oh shit channel 7 showed him talking to the police well that settles it he must of done it ;)

>>29499757
You're starting to sound like a fucking green party member.
Shouldn't you be looking after your wife's son?

>>29499757
you dont have to argue with civic patriots who think they were "serving their country" by shitting up the middle east, helping create all the refugees the west now has to deal with

>>29499773
nope i always held the opinion the middle east was never a threat to us and i didn't need to join the army because some people blew up the two towers

i still and always will like weapons and i would join the army if their was a real threat to us not some trumped up bullshit aka we were literally being invaded

>>29499775
i just get sick of cunts saying HEH PLEB I SERVED AND THEREFORE YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

fuck that shit i don't give a shit

Sandgroper here.
I'm being triggered in T minus three minutes.

>>29499757
>>29499775

You seem to be under the delusion that the military makes political policy in this country...
We don't
We serve the country and do what's asked of us, even if we don't agree with it personally, intellectually or even if the people we didn't vote for order it. Maybe that's a few feel goods in Timor helping them out, or the shitfest that was Iraq, either way you sign up for the good and bad.
I'm actually a lightweight, lot of guys I know pulled 8-9 tours.

Done here for now, /k/ always has a plethora of the left-wing wankers that shit me off.

>>29499817
all you need to know is they have johnny h front and centre nex to the presenter and no pro gun advocate is next to him to balance things

so its always going to bias

but johnny doesn't have to worry like us because he is an ex-prime minster he has body guards and shit like that with guns of course

>>29499730
Do you happen to own a heavy red car?

>>29499817
Your concept of anger and rage is a joke compared to what it will be after watching this.

>>29499826
>Done here for now

it was your choice m8 and you know it you just tried to drown out my argument by saying

>i served so therefore my opinion is more important than yours

and you fucking know it and now you have your knickers in a twist because i didn't back down like a bitch like your used to irl sorry m8 this is 4chinz not your personal hug box

but don't get me wrong i don't disrespect you but your disrespecting me

think on that

>That intro.
Fucking pandering as fuck.

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>>29499451
Tends to be the case with criminals strangely enough, Until they can put a lid on bikies they've got 0 chance of slowing down the black market trade.

>>29499826
>We serve the country and do what's asked of us, even if we don't agree with it personally

this is cant comprehend, you can die, you are potentially giving your life away, for what? the good or bad?
why would you sign up to such a thing if you hadnt done enough research in it and agreed 100% with what the military is doing

im not throwing my life away because my whole life I was told in movies "freedom and democracy and freedom and democracy and freedom and democracy and freedom and democracy and freedom and democracy and freedom and democracy"

its just stupid why anyone would sign up to the military unless your country was being invaded or you were an idealist who believed in what ever crusade a political ideology wanted you to do

>>29499864
Holy fuck is that a fucking shed made AR-18?

>Fat bitch pretending she was a hero.

Guys, stop fighting or fuck off.
You're part of the reason why our pro-guns can't make any headway.
Instead of arguing stupid teenage shit, help each other out with ways and ideas we can use to possibly help either our cause or our politicians.
Sources, facts, stats etc.

>>29499864
>mfw I 100% support the vlad laws as long as it screws those bikie fucks as hard as they can

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>>29499875
Bikies regularly manufacture homemade full-auto weapons based on commercial designs. Here's some Uzis with suppressors they made in Sydney. They also make AK's and M-16 variants.

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>>29499891
Yep, they also straight out import guns, if the money is there, organised crime finds a way.

>>29499886
>Implying it stops them at all.
>>29499891
See, I know they make Owen guns, Lutys and other tube guns, but an AR-18 is a whole other level of engineering.

>>29499885
>facts, stats
>meaning anything to anti gunners

>>29499872
don't try and argument with him he probably just joined up because he thought it was cool and then got brainwashed by the army rhetoric see >29499730
>Because I had a job to do and people who relied on me to do that job

if that isn't the most typical bullshit answer straight from the armies PR department i don't know what is

and now he has got all sour because we aren't buying it and left the thread see >>29499826
>Done here for now, /k/ always has a plethora of the left-wing wankers that shit me off.


i reckon he did it because he thought it would be cool and fun not because he was some nationalistic fighter and thought sadam was a real threat to us

but be careful because you will be called a bad goy for standing up to thim

>>29499910
Im not saying it stops them
But it makes life difficult for them

>>29499920
It really doesn't.
They have entire factories churning out sub-guns.
They get raided all the time, but the reality of the situation is that fully auto guns are now more available to criminals than ever before.
And on top of that, these laws have created a market for these guns.

>John Howard basically admitting that he used PA to further his own agenda.

>>29499910
you only need to make one mold of all the internals and you're set for pumping out a half dozen or more in a weekend

>>29499913
Better than nothing. You cannot complain and then not be prepared to do anything.
If we as a group/community have readily accessed information and arguments, then at least we will be able to hold our own without sinking to their level (which even in this thread that has happened) and that will eventually change minds. We are not looking to change the minds of anti gunners, but of the neutral bystanders.

>>29499943
politics 101 all sides do it

>>29499944
>Casting a gas driven gun.
Sure, let me know how that works out for you.

>>29499885
well get rid of the funds their are 3 reasons and 3 reasons only town firearms

>to defend your life
>to defend your property
>to defend your country

all other reasons are fudd

problem is politicians that are pro gun are ham strung and can only argue fudd reasons to own firearms

if you can explain to me a way where politicians can argue for those 3 reasons then i will back them

>>29499953
>funds

meant to say fudds not funds

>>29499917
at least some people get it

the only legitimate reason to join the military at this point is for using it as a gateway into a trade or something

>>29499953
>well get rid of the funds their are 3 reasons and 3 reasons only town firearms

Incorrect. You don't need a set reason to own a firearm, you could want one just because. Whether it be for hunting, property use, home defense, collection, because guns are fucking cool, whatever the reason.
Shut the fuck up with that shit, why does it matter if CURRENTLY they are only backing 'fudd' reasons, they are still trying(apparently/hopefully) to ease restrictions.
If you hate fudd reasons, you clearly don't own a fireram in Australia.

>>29499948
>>29499953

I think the best thing we can do that would benefit us is to point out all the ridiculous bureaucratic shit thats wrong with the NFA.

Point out things like that weapons licensing/police have a certain amount of resources and having to deal with shit like airguns/bb/paintball guns is a waste of time where they could be using those resources to deal with real firearms.

Also that airguns are on the registry more and more people are buying guns who wouldnt have before simply because that they got their licence to play pb, they realise now they can go and buy a bunch of real guns.

Two completely valid and hopefully leftist friends point that to some degree would give us more freedom then before.


We dont need facts or statistics, they ignore them.
THE thing we need is good arguments that can make sense to antis.

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>>29499953
Heh, consider me a fudd then, I don't care why others want firearms, I just want mine to be able to shoot some dinner and practice my skills, I have no intention of shooting or stabbing anyone.

>>29499977
hmmm you make a good argument i will think on what you have to say

but i see some holes that leftards will put into it especially if your reasoning to owning firearms is because you think they are cool...

>We haven't had any mass shootings since PA.
WAT
There's been 9 since.

Who wants to bet the polis are waiting till after this and the 20th of PA to ride the feel train and go full japan tier with gun laws?

>>29499996
>That scope.
Can you fit a tenga inside it?

>>29500016
I have no idea...

>>29500020
Scout and report when your 6" and a handful and fur deep.

>>29499987
That's a good point. Just one thing though with paintball licences(this is QLD based). So when you get your cat A paintball licence, it's a special condition that says paintball only. Unless they go through the normal gun way then REC and SC1 and SC2 get added.

>>29499996
>NV scope. I have the same one, maybe slightly different actually. Do you actually like it? I'm conflicted.

>>29500004
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, but still, the point of freedom and liberty is that others can't tell you whether you're safe or not unless otherwise proven.

>>29500036
>>NV scope. I have the same one, maybe slightly different actually. Do you actually like it? I'm conflicted.

Ditto, at times it's fucking awesome but it's super restrictive. Busting foxes and bunnies at 100m in pitch black is excellent though, especially with a bush silencer and them not knowing wtf is going on.

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>>29499536
>m-muh 6 billion!

Now here's a huntan pic with guns to keep it /k/ related

>>29500046
I just can't tell if I like it. Maybe I should get an addon IR torch or something or one of the IR filters for the spotlight. Either way, just using the spotlight seems to work well enough currently.

>Host obviously leading the discussion towards muh feels.
FUCK

>>29499875
No, it's an Australian Automatic Arms SAC. They made them in Tasmania before the buyback. The Federal government bought them in 1996 and then shut them down.

Never forget they didn't just take our guns, they deliberately destroyed our arms industry. After that the only arms maker was the (then) state-owned Lithgow SAF.

>>29500036
>I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, but still, the point of freedom and liberty is that others can't tell you whether you're safe or not unless otherwise proven.

yes but unfortunately leftards don't believe in things you and i believe in like liberty they want to control everything and live in a nanny state

so you have to have a legitimate reason to own firearms to combat their arguments

and owning guns because you think they are cool isn't a very good argument unfortunately not that i don't think they are cool

>>29500057
Ahh right, that ones got an inbuilt IR illuminator, button on the side to fire it up, makes a world of difference.

this is how much you should give a shit about what insight has to say

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/69984871/aussies-get-in-here-livestream-of-the-sbs-debate#p69988140
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>>29500036
yeah but with the pb only licence, all you have to do is send in a change of conditions form unlike when applying for your licence the first time again
there is also no waiting time for your first real gun PTA

also antis wont know the pb gun condition is different

>>29499996
>Has Cat C
>Doesn't own a semi-22lr

Fail.

There's another study out showing that the NFA did fuck all, SFP Facebook page has the link. I do wish that the SSAA and other organisations would be a bit more active though

>>29500065
I meant sarcasm when you said if it's a good point I made, but I dunno. While saying they are cool isn't a good argument for easing restrictions, the point is there shouldn't be a *need*. Something we won't see in this country again I am sure.

>>29500068
Mine has an IR illuminator as well, still undecided on it.

>>29500072
True, still to begin with you can't use it to buy a .22 was my point.

>>29499951
same way it would work out for every one making guns meant to be used a few times and thrown away.... just fine

>15 year old gets a hold of illegal unregistered gun.
>We need tougher laws to prevent this!
What the fuck.

>>29500076
Other than shits and giggles what would I want a .22 semi for?

>>29500097
More likely you would fail to get an appropriate gas seal or the mechanism would seize and shatter in your hands.
A cast chamber could not handle the pressure of a bullet.

>>29500105
Not him but what is your cat C for? Skeet, Primary Production or pest control?
Just curious.

>>29500106
Not strictly true, plenty of modern powder casting methods are proving superior to forging for grain structure, having said this, bikies are hardly going to have access to said processes.

>>29500118
>Primary Production or pest control?
Pest control on primary land, not a prof culler or anything.

>>29500105
What sort of question is that?

>>29500143
A simple one

>>29500105
>Implying shits and giggles isn't more than reason enough.

>Can I talk about my completely unrelated injury!

>>29500155
Never claimed it wasn't but I'm not forking out the money for a .22 shits and giggles, I already have a functional shotgun which doubles for cheap shits and giggles.

>>29500101
im not sure im more frustrated at that argument or

>massively mentally ill woman steals a gun
>kills her father
>it was Robert's fault because he campaigned for laws to allow people to get involved in the sport easier.

maybe there shouldve been more supervision at the club or there was some other failure on behalf of one of the people there but that still doesnt change the fact a woman was crazy enough to want to steal a gun to kill her father, and now her sister blames the laws instead of her sisters mental health issue, she probably wouldve used a knife or something had she not gotten the gun.

>>29500181
Due to TPG internet, I missed some of it.
What's the story here?

>>29500181
>Lefties understanding personal responsibility

There's a reason they want the government to control everything.

one argument i wish they would bring up that actually forces anti-guns to eat their words is the fact that there are more legally owned firearms in australia than ever before in history, including pre port arthur. and while the anti-guns will point and gloat about how much safer we are it should be argued that the people who are penalised by these gun laws explicitly represent a low or no risk population of gun owners. unfortunately it always comes down to gun laws and what can be done to ban everything rather than discussing the personal responsibility and cause of the issue.

The same thing for the mussie kid who shot Curtis Cheng in Sydney, they tried to play it up as a gun law issue (regardless of the fact Robert explained the gun was never registered in australia and bought on the black market) and they would rather blame laws instead of extremism or muslim radical influence.

>>29500189
a woman in the audience told the story about how her sister stole a gun from a club while posing as someone who wanted to learn about sport shooting, and argued that the reason she got the gun so easily was because of the nature of the P650 form that allows unlicensed people to access guns without a fully comprehensive background and mental health check. the woman went through the prompts, and when she had access to guns at the club she managed to walk out with one and then shot her father. she argues that if there was more screening that she wouldnt have gotten the gun from the club before a red flag wouldve been brought up on the mental health registry, due to her well documented and long standing mental health issues.

>>29500232
Then they will say that semi-autos were the issue then, further cementing the ban on them.

>>29500246
less than 20% of semi autos were surrendered in the 96 ban and you can still register them now, I'd bet there are more semi autos now than pre 96 if you include the unreg'd ones.

>>29500269
>but the unregistered one are still illegal anon and need to be destroyed to stop the next PA think of all the children each gun smashed would save :^)

>>29500246
then inform them that guns dont shoot themselves and that the background checks and registration process was what prevented people who were higher risk from accessing guns, then cite the availability of semi-autos in several european countries and new zealand as being considered low risk due to the screening that occured at the start of the registration process, and not the nature of the guns.

But then again that would force anti-guns to understand what personal responsibility means and that was already established here >>29500195

>>29500287
You're still mistaken in thinking that these people understand logic.

>>29500412
im a logical type of guy, and it pains me to think i will never have my dream family (of guns) because of retarded laws that everyone claims aren't sufficient because people broke the law anyway using guns that wont be affected by any number of laws put into place.

>illegal, unregistered, untraceable, undetected guns circulating in the community?
>ban everything
...
>criminals break laws
>HOW DID THIS HAPPEN WE BANNED CRIME

>>29500434
Preaching to the choir, mate.
I just want to be able to do 3-gun competitions here.

>>29500434
>it pains me to think i will never have my dream family (of guns) because of retarded laws
if we can't improve things here in the next few years, i'll probably just take my family to nz

don't want my son to have to wait until he's 12 just to have his own air rifle ffs

won't somebody think of the chilluns?

>>29500470
id enjoy the ability to do multigun shooting, though i dont have much to do with IPSC or other handgun shooting at the moment, i mostly hunt and shoot clays. but if it was readily accessible and i was able to dedicate the time to it i would definitely have a look.

As for the preaching to the choir comment, ive found that a lot of my arguments have actually brought around a lot of the people i know to having much more pro-gun views, and for many of them it was literally because the only arguments they had every heard were half-baked anti-gun arguments based on muh feels which were easily debunked and replaced with much more logical and reasonable views.

>>29500475
i think i could just about get my dream gun list in NZ with one of the higher level licenses

I lost the opportunity to inherit my Dad's L1A1 and 870 Express after the gun laws so that sucks

>>29500518
>L1A1
Fuck man, I'm sorry to hear that.

>>29500475
By the time your son is 12, rubber bands will be illegal.

>>29500537
ill try and find the list of guns my dad had pre-buyback, ill post it in the next australia general thread if i get it but he had around 40-50 different guns that of all types. all he has left is a few 12 gauge side by sides (some of which belong to friends of his), his mauser action .308 and a bruno .22

>>29500561
i believe it, but he's due in 3 weeks so i can't go anywhere for a while yet

still, got 4 years or so to see how things go before he enters the school system, plenty of time to flee if things go full howard

>>29500584
They'll probably make leaving Australia illegal for people who pay more tax than they cost.
Gotta support them rapefugees.

>>29500642
>rapefugees

This board is becoming more and more /pol/

>>29500657
thats because 4chans pol is reddit tier garbage and not even pol anymore

>>29500573
>40-50 guns
Somebody think if the children.

So, just running a what if scenario here:

If all firearms from A, B, C, D & H were moved to a single category - would you be okay with a psychological exam being part of licensing and renewal process?

So, you could basically buy anything, but you would have to pay for and sit a psychological examination.

>>29501810
just act natural and you'd pass that just fine, like unless you're a legit sociopath or sperg you know what the answer is to questions like "do you ever have violent tendencies"

>>29501820
basically this

unless someone's a sperge they'll pass easily, anyone will pass. psych exams mean shit all.

>>29501820
Well, no shit, but it would make the antis happy and allow us to practice our sports/hobbies.

>>29502115
No, it won't.
There are some people in the US who want to see gun rights totally erased.
They will continue to incite the masses of antiguns (who genuinly believe that gun control stops violence) until they reach this goal.

I don't know why they want guns removed, but it isn't about public safety.

>>29502172
Antis are fanatic about background checks.
There's no way we'll get our rights back directly, it will have to be a bait and switch.

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MUH FEEELS

>>29504883
You might want to delete this.
Australian cops have a history of monitoring weapons forums.
A friend used to run a knife forum and was literally harassed day and night by WAPOL and AFP.
They targeted his car, his home and his family until he shut it down.

>>29504979
Posted from a phone in a country with non static IP....

Still mad about SBS.
Guys don't forget to leave passive aggressive(if you go full blown rage it proves the antis right) comments about the awful journalism and bias SBS presented last night on their FB page. Let them know it won't happen twice.

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should i just move to murica?

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/no-plan-to-change-australias-gun-laws-says-justice-minister-michael-keenan/news-story/bc431724c0b31fac07d25fc731168c64#pd_a_9375895

Seems like we won't be getting more fucked just yet.

>>29507112
No? Move to NZ if you have to but America is terrible.

>>29507241
>Wide open wilderness bigger than all of Europe
>Based as fuck gun laws
>Center of all attention by media and other companies, if it's created on this planet you can get it (muh American Netflix)
>Actually relevant nation with glorious history (muh 1776)
>America is terrible
K

I'm a Canadian BTW, figured I'd check how my far away Commonwealth bros are doing. But if you think America is terrible you're probably a huge faggot that can't handle all that freedom at once.

I'm in Canberra for uni, how do I go about getting a licence for funs?

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>>29507241
>>29507803
but their fucking accent

>>29507886
You mean the original English accent?

>>29507803
I lived in America for two years and Canada for a few months also. Both places sucked new and exciting shades of cock. It's beautiful /out/ but almost everything else is absolutely unpalatable. The people are unfunny and boring (in Canada they flat-out invade your space and try to be friendly with you, gay as fuck) The food is terrible, too fuckin' cold. Dark skinned gentlemen roaming the streets shooting up ice cream parlors (actually happened in the neighborhood I was staying in). Canada, namely Toronto is absolute shit. Everything closes at 6pm and you can't even order a pizza in the middle of the city beyond this time. Crusty hobos everywhere demanding free stuff from regular people. Depressingly hideous city.

I'm sorry familam, it's terrible. I had high hopes too.

>>29507886
Uh I dunno ey, I guss ewe'll just hev te get used to et ay?

>>29508273
Uh... you are aware that both countries have like four time zones. Where exactly the fuck were you in America?

>>29508348
Michigan.

Yes, I realize that it's a big country you fucking mong. I think I got to experience enough of the average middle-class American lifestyle, to be able to make a decision about if it's shit or not. It's not like I didn't want to like it.

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>>29498809
(Me)
Well I called it last night.
No NFA changes.
>>that retard who has been spamming NFAshit for the past week can suck my dick
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/no-plan-to-change-australias-gun-laws-says-justice-minister-michael-keenan/news-story/bc431724c0b31fac07d25fc731168c64

>>29509944
FUCK, I wanted semis so bad.

>>29509944
I guess no news is better than bad news.

Yeah, the rest of us as well.
At least we arent getting that CGAwanklist of extra crap the retard was shilling.
And its a sign theyre waking up that aussie gunowners are a large voting bloc.
Look at the poll on leftist cocksucking media news.com.au.
95% Fuck you lil'Johnnie
>>now all we need is a few more profunz in the Senate after the election and we can start pushing them back
Vote LDP ALA S&F RickyMuir etc below the line

They're having a COAG whatever meeting with NZ people next week. Should be good

>>29510058
NZ is pretty pro-fun right?

>>29510077
Compared to Oz yes.
And with basically the same type of population culture etc the closest comparison of our gunlaws to theirs instead of the OMGmericangunculture.
>>hopefully they bring back a few good ideas
Legal suppressors
Semiautos

>>29510077
Its a struggle, but things are still pretty good here firearm-wise, at least for now.

Every so often the cops will try to sneak through illegitimate policy changes or ask the govt to make some fun or other illegal, fortunately most of it is shut down in court.

>>29510035
who are the ALA?

>>29510077
Most "hunting" firearms have no registration

Rifles that are semi-auto and have magazines over 7 rounds, or look like military rifles must be registered. Have to tell the police why you want one.

Pistols must be registered and you must be a member of a pistol club

Machine gun licences are only given to collectors and while the guns aren't deactivated, you're not allowed to fire them.

Someone remind me what that French 'toggle action' rifle was called / how much it costs?

Like a semi hunting rifle where you thumb a little toggle for the next round.

>>29510254
Actually, you're now allowed to fire them at police ranges.

>>29510094
>Legal suppressors
Weren't suppressors made much less difficult to get recently?

>>29510257
Verney Carron Speed Lines

>>29510324
No. Sort of.

>>29510187
Aust Liberty Alliance
Google Bernie Gaynor ex Army Major sacked for truthing about Muzzies and Fags
Not directly proFunz but definitely antiLibLabGreen

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>>29510058
>mfw it's so NZ can adopt Australia tier laws not the other way round.

hows everyone doing?

>>29510575
Shit, no semi autos.
;¬;

>>29510575
Still fucking pissed about that shitshow last night.

I just went on Facebook and found my mother had liked the SBS's post on their gun control panel last night.

Wonderful.

>>29510971
Kek, my mum is full on Feinstein - I still destroy her argument whenever she tries to bring it up.
She's also one of the "If you have nothing to hide" crowd.

>>29510971
>>29511057
Heh, my mother used to be anti-gun and didn't like the idea of my father and mine firearms to be in the hosue, until he just said 'if you don't like guns in the house fuck off'. Not a word since...