Weapon Confiscation After Lawful Defense

>>29448338
Police gather evidence. Weapon is evidence. Hence, into the bag it goes.

>>29448338
i've never been in a scenario where my firearms could have been taken, but from what i hear they take them to "verify they're not stolen" or some bullshit. Thats fairly common from what i've gathered. The part were your mileage may vary is upon return of your firearm. Some people have gotten their firearm back in perfect condition and others have had theirs returned missing optics, blemished, or disassembled.

>>29448382
Yes, expect to have a badge number or case number scratched into it for chain of custody purposes. Enjoy.

>>29448338

I used my handgun to protect a woman in a parking lot I thought was getting robbed. I just heard the scream and ran over, turned out she was having an argument with her ex boyfriend, he fled when I pulled my steel on him.

I waited for the police, they took my ID and information, by the time they got there, I had moved my car and left my gun under the seat. They told me they had to make a copy of my CC ID and thats when they patted me down and then put my firearm in a brown paper bag.

I didn't get that handgun back for 2 and a half months.

>>29448433
if the 5-0 every needs to take my rifle, all they are getting is a stripped lower.

>>29448455
They can lawfully confiscate all other portions of the weapon too. They could lawfully confiscate the clothes off your back if it's evidence.

>>29448338
Generally they take it for evidence in the even a court case comes from the incident.

Depending on how shitty your state is, they could also be running various tests to see if it matches any crimes (despite forensic ballistics being the legal equivalent of Voodoo).

It's shitty, but it's understandable to take it, especially if someone actually gets shot. Where it becomes unacceptable, however, is when it's somehow damaged while in police hands.

That shit infuriates me.
>need gun for lawful self defense
>law confiscates gun so you can't defend yourself

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>>29448526

Have more than 1 gun pleb.

>>29448544
This.

>>29448454
I had the same thing happen, but I ended up giving them a hi-point instead of my carry gun. Got some weird looks that day.

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>>29448526
>not having an arsenal large enough to average 1 defensive shooting per day while still remaining comfortably armed
>not flooding the evidence locker with your guns

>>29448564
>gave them a pistol that was not used in defense
>purgery
>evidence tampering
>obstructing justice etc. etc.
>committed a felony for nothing

What kind of retard are you? Just use the hi-point after your other one is in their hands you retarded moron.

>>29448601
>thinking they know or care or could ever prove it

>>29448601
The gun was never discharged and I'd like to keep my pistol in firing order, thank you. The nig nog that ran was never found anyways, and I got my hi-point back without a firing pin and a missing rear sight, which I mean that is better than factory new but my point still stands.

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>>29448612
>thinking it's worth any level of risk whatsoever when you already have another pistol

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>>29448601

>using a hi point for anything else besides lulz
>2015 + 1 gloc 40 problem solva

>>29448631
Shit nig how much that cost you? About tree fiddy? I got a gun store story about this exact thing if you wanna hear it.

>>29448620
>>29448564
>>29448612
So you already had an extra working gun, but you decided to give them a drop gun?

...yeah I'm also gonna have to say that's retarded. It's not like you murdered someone.

>>29448544
all i have handgun wise is a p226
i need to get a m88a asap

>>29448621
>lose or damage a good firearm with personal value
>for a practically zero chance someone might notice you actually used a different tool

>>29448656
For all you know.

>>29448656
People wouldn't feel the need to do that if police could properly handle evidence and return it without damage

>>29448663
What does that mean?
>>29448672
Why people want to do it isn't in question here. Obviously the best bet is to have multiple good firearms. If you're a broke fag and can't afford more than one good gun, you can use the hi point just fine.

>>29448672
The point is it's obviously not worth any risk.

>>29448620
Things that didn't happen: the post

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>>29448662
>practically zero chance someone might notice you actually used a different tool
>practically zero
>practically
you make it sound like you're CCing family heirlooms
committing multiple crimes over a couple hundred bucks price difference between carry and drop gun is pretty much pants on head retarded

>>29448454
>intervening in a domestic dispute
it's like you want to go to prison

>>29448714
I agree with you sir.

>BULLSHIT ALERT
>>29448620
>>29448564
>BULLSHIT ALERT

>>29448698
>putting your life in the hands of a hi-point
Or you can use the tool best suited to defend yourself.
>>29448708
>>29448718
How would the police find out exactly? Unless you're so stupid that you tell them or you recorded the shooting they would have zero way to even suspect it was a drop gun, let alone prove it.

>>29448730
>Thinks anything on 4chan is real
>Thinks people care if he points this out

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>>29448746
>>29448631
>>29448620
>Hi-Points don't work meme

Old tired shit is fucking old and tired.

>>29448672

Asset forfeiture is abused all the time, but there isn't much you can do. Police don't even have to charge you with a crime before they take your stuff.

>people bitch about haveing firearms that are missing parts

>no proof or sources were ever posted that day

You kids post the most silly fuckin shit.

>>29448767
Pig detected

>>29448722

I heard a woman scream and I was packing heat, I did the reasonable thing, I checked it out, I didn't kill anyone, and the police didn't arrest me.

>>29448767

Something the matter, porky?

>>29448771
Fuuuuck no. I would rather not work 60 hours a week to make 60k, thank you.

Its just a lawsuit and a half to get shit back thats clearly missing parts or fucked beyond belief. I know i would.

I killed a methed out home intruder, did not even get my shotgun taken.

>>29448794
Was he the kind that twitched after he died?

>>29448761
but i spent $5000 dollars on my colt koch edition, pro shop tuned, wilson combat 1911 so it HAS to be better than a functionally identical $200 gun /s

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>>29448746
>How would the police find out exactly?
there's an endless list of arbitary combinations of evidence like CCTV footage that may or may not fall of the hands of the police
hundreds and thousands of criminals every year think to themselves "how would the police ever find out", and then they get caught because somewhere something was forgotten/not considered and lead the police to snoop around

you're risking getting charged with career-threatening crimes over not even a thousand dollars worth of price difference
do whatever you like dude, but I'd rather not get charged with evidence tampering if I can instead just accept the fact that the CC pistol I use may get damaged/lost by the cops someday

>>29448794

Do you live in Florida?

>>29448809
Just dropped and moved his arms a bit before dying.

I was worried about others so i covered the hallway while my gf called the cops.

>>29448823
Texas.

>>29448771
>>29448776
>oh shit he asked for a source, and i can't back up my claims
>m-must be a cop

>>29448828
Maybe it was because I shot mine in the heart but the tweaker that broke into my house twitched around a lot even though he was clearly dead.

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>>29448662
>lose or damage a good firearm with personal value
Must be REALLY nice to want to risk felonies to keep it away from the cops for a couple months.

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>>29448836

>Texas.

Truly one of the last bastions of freedom we have in this unflushed toilet bowl of a country.

>>29448847
I got him in the chest, didnt ask questions.

>>29448836

I figured it was either FL or TX, where no one will care if you shoot a crazed home intruder.

>>29448820
The police aren't fucking batman or like you see on TV. If they see a dead nigger with gang colors lying on the ground or Meth heads on your living room floor they're gonna put it together pretty quick what happened. Don't give them a reason to look any deeper and they won't.

>>29448864
>Don't give them a reason to look any deeper and they won't.
Okay, this is bait.

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>>29448864
>won't look up your ass if they can

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>>29448864
>If they see a dead nigger with gang colors lying on the ground or Meth heads on your living room floor they're gonna put it together pretty quick what happened. Don't give them a reason to look any deeper and they won't.
have fun collecting felonies over not even half a grand worth of money, you deserve it anyway

>>29448837
I never claimed my firearm was even confiscated by police. There are stories as old as police departments of firearms or other valuables being "lost" or damaged by police

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>>29448820
fucking this
simple risk vs reward analysis
>risk
go to jail for years, have the gun you were trying to keep taken anyway because lolfelony, thousands in legal fees, never have a good job or intact rectum again
>reward
save a few hundred bucks, max

>>29448897
k post some then

>>29448897
>There are stories as old as police departments of firearms or other valuables being "lost" or damaged by police

Yet, sources or proof is never posted.

Fucking weird, amiright?

>>29448864
Absolutely bro, see you on COPS.

>>29448916
Literally hundreds of reports of this from the confiscation during Katrina

>>29448927
Post some or kill yourself.

>>29448904
There are people in this thread who would rather loose their liberty to save a few hundred dollars.

>>29448927
o i am laffin m8
>>29448916

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>>29448897
>oh woe is me, my 600 dollar carry gun was confiscated and inevitably lost forever to the greedy hands of your average bureaucratic pig, after it saved my fucking life
>how will I ever be able to cope with the fact that I spent the incomprehensible sum of 600 dollars on not dying by the hands of a methed up dindu that night

>>29448853
>Why does the texan look like a hipster?

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>>29448924
>>29448891
>>29448880
>>29448961

>mfw I lose my $100 hi-point and you guys are salty as fuck over your new number scratched into your firearm, if you ever even get it back

>>29448946
>>29448950
>5 seconds and a Google Search later
http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/jun/17/miller-dc-police-damage-soldiers-guns/

>>29448968
0/10

>>29448454
You're lucky they didn't turn on you and have passionate make up sex on your lifeless corpse

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>>29448968

It doesn't matter I guess, the story is just a lie anyways.

>>29448544
The principle if the matter is what is important here.

>>29448988
>literally the second line
"The department violated its own regulations on handling firearms in evidence by engraving marks on the sides of the guns, and the city should reimburse the soldier for the loss."
>looks like the cops are clearly in the wrong
>looks like the soldier has a solid case against them

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>>29448968
>tfw you're so mindnumbingly stupid you have yet to get the actual point
>tfw you possess the same irrationally impulsive and shortsighted mindset of a dindu whose only income source is committing armed robbery at liquorstores

>>29449013
>violate a bunch of laws, and turn a lawful shoot into a legal nightmare
>IT'S ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE

>>29449016
>post proof that x happens
>I post proof
>well it says that shouldn't have happened
No shit, but it clearly does happen

>>29448961
>the police lose my property that I bought and was also taxed, which goes to their paychecks
>I was also able to protect myself better than they could've protected me with my property
>they couldn't possibly be assmad that someone other than a bitch in a blue uniform got to shoot someone

I guess it fine, I'll just buy another

>>29449031
no you silly willy it says the cops acted against their own policy, and are clearly in the wrong.
of course lets remember your justification was to legally jeopardize yourself by tampering with evidence, and then let those mean ol' cops get away with violating their policy/the law.

>>29449045
look, it's the guy who tries to get out of speeding tickets by yelling "I PAY YOUR SALARY" at the cop who pulls him over

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>>29449045
>I'll just buy another
exactly

because wether a gun ends up disappearing during itsr storage in the police evidence locker is irrelevant
it's something that you can't change and have to chalk up to greedy pigs being greedy pigs
if they get an opportunity to let a gun slip through the cracks of bureaucracy, they will

this whole thing is completely irrelevant to the personal strategy(and that includes legal strategy) of self defense
you want to knowingly give the police wrong evidence in a defense case that will have a huge negative bias against you by default
you're mentally putting a pricetag on your own freedom, and to make the trainwreck complete this pricetag is in the three digit range

you're so irrational I wouldn't wonder if you're one of the first ones to proclaim a gun being a tool, not a safequeen, while not being willing to sacrifice this same tool in exchange for a watertight legal process should it ever come to one
but hey, everyone is just mad at you because "HURRDURR MUH GUN DOESN'T GET LOST/SCRATCHED BUT YOURS DOES HURPADURP HEHEHEHE LOOK, IM SMARTER THEN YOU"

>>29448454
wow you are dumb. mind your own fucking business.

>inb4 hurr durr it's muh duty to protect others durrr

>>29448722
>>29448775
Yeah, you can't know if it's domestic of not.

>>29448897
Dont most police departments either hire a gunsmith or have one on duty to inspect the firearm after forensics test them?

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>>29449227

>>29448338
My grandfather has a little 380 pocket Derringer that he carries with him, and he once had it confiscated when he got pulled over for speeding. The police department let him pick it up the next morning though.

>>29448368
This
It isn't some nefarious gun grabbing plot
If/when you get cleared of wrong doing, you get it back.

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>>29448566
>visit police at least once a week to drop off one gun and pick up another
>Police officers get to know you and don't fuck with your guns
>Police department becomes your second armory

>>29448564
>>29448612
>>29448620
>>29448662
>>29448746
>>29448864
>>29448968

Okay, so it turns out this nigger actually made a thread about committing crimes in conjunction with legally defending yourself.

>>29446499

It's all the same faggot.

>>29449013
>The principle
That doesn't interest me.

>>29451378
subtle

Just tell the cops to fuck off when they ask for the weapon. They can see you shot the nigger with a gun. Who gives a shit which gun. Fuck the police.

>>29448368
/thread

>>29451378
>The principle
That doesn't interest me.
>>29453012
>subtle

I rate this a 6/10

Back to the issue at hakd. Ohh No, they took my Glock from me, where will I ever get another. Oh wait, my safe has 3 more...

>>29449938
>If/when you get cleared of wrong doing, you get it back*
*maybe

>>29453389
>*maybe
**probably not

>>29448920
I saw several photos (can't find 'em now) on the web -- a 1911 with blood on it from use in a crime, tossed by cops into evidence bag for X years, strangely etched by blood -- then auctioned to the public. Unique "customization".

>>29448338
Okay question since everyone had a huge argument about it.


How the hell does a police department lose a gun left in a storage locker.

>>29457371
>How the hell does a police department lose a gun left in a storage locker.
"Lose"

Fuckwit

>>29448544
Goddamn I want this operator manual.

>>29448767
Your brothers in the badge are criminal scum, Porky.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/11/10/363102433/police-can-seize-and-sell-assets-even-when-the-owner-broke-no-law

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/12/29/police-may-confiscate-guns-without-notice-owner-starting-january-1/

Now if you'll excuse, one of you buddies needs to compensate for years of adolescent bullying by smashing me into my car hood.

>>29448920
And how the fuck would you like proof to be presented you stupid dumb bitch? You think the pd writes you an apology note saying sorry we lost your shit? They take an item and "forget" to list it with the case evidence then several months later when you go to ask wtf is going on they bust out the paperwork and get to say nope we have no record of that, sorry. They hope you're a dumbass gun owner with no box or records, if you have the serial number report it stolen to spite them.

>>29449087
Fuck the justification crap etc. Of course it's against dept. Policies you fucking ignorant bitch, what is chain of custody for starters, how many times does the police fuck over people that are ignorant and it doesn't get reported. It happens, it happens more than it should. Yes virginia every time it happens it's bad, it's against dept. Policy, it's something that shouldn't have happened or that the police shouldn't have done, its a very serious offense that almost always goes unpunished, you're barely starting to grasp the point.
Are you european by chance? Don't lie.

>>29450039
na, friend. most of that bait is mine and i didnt start that other thread

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>>29448338
After I was assaulted by my ex-boyfriend, the Las Vegas police seized all of my guns until the court case was over. These kinds of laws are retarded, honestly. Those guns weren't even involved.

>be victim of domestic violence
>police seize all your means of self defense
>court lets douchebag bf off with community service
>don't even get guns back until months after his faggot ass is out free

>>29448455
ok internet tough guy, go ahead and disassemble a gun you just shot someone with and see if you don't get a "tampering with evidence" charge.

enjoy your felony

>>29448544
what is this pic from?

is this from the same manual as the "begin street sweeping operations" image?

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>>29448746

>>29459638
that's what you deserve for being a faggot

>>29448338
Sorry, officer. As I drew, the first round went through the bottom of my boat. By the time you arrived, it sank out of sight.

>>29449694
Not that other anon, but had they wanted to press charges. It would be the other way around. I'm my own sheep dog, my guns for my own protection.

>>29448775
Perfectly reasonable.

>>29449227
Careful with those edge's faggot.

This makes me not want to ever have an overly nice, expensive home defense piece. If they're going to take it and 'possibly' return it in questionable condition, I'll just get a cheap Maverick 88 or something.

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>>29448338
Same thing happens if I am in an officer involved shooting. Only difference is that I don't get my weapon back. I get a new sidearm instead.

>>29448338
When you shoot someone, it is taken as evidence period the end whether it was a good shoot or not.

>>29448382
This, after my dept's SWAT sniper tubed a guy, he got his rifle back 6 months later with the scope rings loose as fuck and had to rezero it.

>>29448433
False. Completely false. Nothing will be engraved into your firearm. Where the fuck would you get this idea from? We write on paper not metal.

>>29448455
Cool, enjoy your felony (based on FL law) tough guy.

>>29448497
This.

>>29449348
No. Most agencies send a few guys to get armorer certified for the weapon they carry and thats about it. Also 99% of agencies aren't big enough to have a sophisticated and expensive enough ballistics unit of their CSI team. That shit gets sent to state labs for NIBN testing and can take months before it gets tested. The only "inspecting" a dept does to a firearm is within the scope of their documentation of the investigation. Make, model, caliber, S/N. We don't have time or even care you tubed someone with a 3.5 lb trigger connector in your Glock. Get over yourself. Most cops don't know fuck all about guns or gun laws anyway.

>>29453176
You will when you get hit with tampering because the NIBN test comes back 9 months later saying the Hi-Point .380 you said you shot the guy with isn't the Sig 238 you did shoot him with.

>>29461339
>This, after my dept's SWAT sniper tubed a guy, he got his rifle back 6 months later with the scope rings loose as fuck and had to rezero it.

Lucky Guy, I only get to keep my TLR-2. And I purchased my Primary personally.

>>29461385
Sucks. I was in a shoot a little while back and they took everything except my boxer shorts. Hopefully I'll get my TLR1 back but it was issued so if not I can't be too mad. My belt and duty belt and flashlight were personally bought though so we'll see if I get it back.

Wish you the best and hope that everything's back to normal for ya.

>>29448382
I know a guy who got all of his guns taken (not for a shooting, it was over a domestic dispute). Anyway he was cleared of wrong doing and it took almost a year of fighting to get his guns back. The police used some sort of white paint to write on them and they were beat up as if they were just thrown in a pile in the evidence room. Some of the guns were very nice collectors pieces that were ruined.

>>29462192
Forgot to mention that the gun cases he had, most of his magazines, and his ammo was never returned.

>>29461339
>False. Completely false. Nothing will be engraved into your firearm. Where the fuck would you get this idea from? We write on paper not metal.

When I get a chance I will upload a pic of my sig p232 that the cops engraved after it went into evidence. Got it back with scribble on the barrel, the magazine and my damn flashlight too

>>29461339
>You will when you get hit with tampering because the NIBN test comes back 9 months later saying the Hi-Point .380 you said you shot the guy with isn't the Sig 238 you did shoot him with.

So I must have missed him. Some other guy standing behind me with a Sig 238 must have hit him. I guess I'm free to go.