I don't know much about guns. Is Frank's advice here sound?

>>29443163
That's a thirty eight special he's handing back, right? Not really. Capacity beats penetration when you're dealing with unarmored assholes pining for your wallet.

>>29443163
Not for penetrating kevlar or ceramic plates.
Why would he tell him the truth?

Obviously meant .45-70

you would want 5.7 to penetrate vests

Yes, sound advice.
If some retard is shooting at your vest, to reduce the chances that he will randomly succeed in penetrating it, advise him to change to big&slow fuddyfive rather than a narrower high-velocity round.

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>>29443163
Based frank castle finally settles thw argument. 9mm/40snw/10mm/.357sigfags btfo.
Go suck your moms cock for comfort.

>>29445957
That must explain how a 230 gr. ball .45 can punch through a car door.

>>29445994
Who wears a sheet of painted tinplate as a vest?

All pistols rounds are going to be stopped by a vest.

But I imagine out of all the common calibers, .45 will deliver the most blunt force trauma to a vest wearer.

>>29446003
/thread

>>29446003
Your neighbor's dog whenever you walk outside.

>>29445994
>That must explain how a 230 gr. ball .45 can punch through a car door
Almost every centrefire pistol-caliber can do that.

>>29446020
considering a 200gr 45ACP+P hits with 986ft/lbs
i would say so.
10mm can hit with a 1000ft/lbs but it cost more to buy than 45ACP so whats a few ft/lbs between enemies.

>>29443163
>be /k autist
>be Eu bande déssinées and US comics and manga afficionado
>taking any gun related info from punisher seriously

NO
punisher is with gunsmith cats 90% of the time retarded when it comes to guns
>punisher
Muh .45
Muh 5,56 in nam lore
Muh Ak47 is unstoppable
Muh frank have ballistic vest that negates impact don't even flinch.
Muh barracuda cannot be killed

>Gunsmith cats
Muh girl and gun
Muh loli and explosive
Muh I can stop a bullet with a bowie knife
Muh shortening the barrel of a 1911 a third of an inch is big deal
Muh cz75 is best gun of 80 period
Muh you'll jam a .44 mag with two cylinder of hot loads

Protip : fiction IS fiction
Protip II: for plate defection purposes : 14inch + 556, 12inch 762x39, hot hard cast44mag from a carbine, one ouncer 12ga slug, and somme unicorn fart for autoloaders.

>>29443163
Speed beats armor.
Fuddy-five is one of the slowest bullets in existence, do the math.

>>29446020
Newtons law.
Does shooting the gun give you blunt force trauma?
No.
So it wont cause blunt force trauma.
It penetrates flesh, by being a small surface area of that energy, but a vest distributes that energy across about 16" of area, for comparison, you ccan place your thumb on the back of a slide, and fire the gun, and your thumb will be fine.

>>29446020
Can't .44 mag go through a vest? I remember hearing it can, maybe not all vests.

>>29446284
Not IIIA.
speed beats armor, and .44 mag isnt going that fast really, its like 9mm +p speeds, just the bullet is twice the weight, so theres a lot more energy.

>>29446283
>Implying being hit by a round doesn't hurt a lot more than firing one, even if your vest stops it completely.

The ratio of energy in the bullet to the gun is equal to the ratio of mass between the two.

>>29446283
You are an idiot.

>>29446283
Gah you are retarded.

The gun distributes the impulse of the projectile through the weight of the gun and also has a reduced peak as you accelerate the projectile over the length of the barrel.

If the acceleration/deceleration impulse length and applied surface area are irrelevant you should let me swing a pickaxe into your skull.

>>29445994
Car door != body armor

>>29446304
hah lol fucking moron.

E = (MV^2)/2

That is energy is equal to half of mass time velocity squared.

There is vastly less energy imparted into the gun.

Do not confuse momentum which is equal between the two and energy.

>>29446284
>>29446291
.44mag is stopped by any vest up to IIIA when shot in a revolver
but a .44magnum loaded for and shot in a carbine (ex 225gr FTX hornady leverevolution in a modern 1892) will pass trough anything up to IIA and might eventually damafe the vest enough to let other bullets pass.

.44 mag in a carbine is scary
but hey
12ga 76 brenneke will fuck up anyone with anything lighter than IV and even if th slug didn't penetrate, I hope you got decent trauma plate and abdominal muscles, otherwise your are going to drown on your own ribs pushed in your lungs.

>>29446283
Soft vests do not distribute the load evenly over the vest, they still apply a significant point force which is why people who get shot with vests get bruised.

3" Magnum shotgun slugs will get stopped by a suitably rated soft vest but they could easily cause enough trauma do cause a heart attack etc.

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>>29446317
You don't know half of what Hit Girl knows.

>>29446329
wtf?

>>29446253
i agree with this anon

its a comic
the reasoning behind any of castles statements is purely the writer at the time

he can spread fuddlore, use logic, or be completely unrealistic depending on the current writer, so just look it up yourself

Sure are a lot of "scientists" in this thread.

>>29446263
yah but handgun ammo wont beat a vest meant for it unless its real special/real expensive stuff.
just because it wont go through the armor doesnt mean it wont crush your sternum.

>>29446354
>translation: I got schooled so I'll make passive aggressive ethos insults

most people don't tend to wear bullet resistant body armor.

>>29443163
>git a .45
>implying it would magically go through Lv2 or Lv3 armor
Shit like this is what keeps me from reading Punisher

>>29445661
On the other hand, this.

>>29445895
I think a plate carrier could stop that. But it'd hurt like fuck.

>>29445907
Only with AP loads.
Though I figure it should get through Lv1 and Lv2 vests like a charm.

>>29445994
Car doors are flimsy as shit, my .177 breakbarrel can punch a hole in that.

>>29446020
Yes and no, a Lv1 vest will only stop small calibers like .22LR, .25ACP, .32ACP, .38S&W, etc (a .38 Special will punch through older ballistic nylon and similar, but more modern Lv1A should be able to stop that just fine, however they probably wont stop a 9mm Luger or .40S&W, etc), what kind of firepower ballistic armor can handle varies greatly, there's many types, and they're typically classified by level.

>>29446596
i think 45-70 to the chest would kill you.

>>29446672
With a plate carrier?

>>29446672
A 45-70 hits with Energy of 3,598 foot-pounds for a 500 grain bullet at 1800 fps.

>>29446698
i replied to the wrong one it was meant for you.
A 45-70 hits with Energy of 3,598 foot-pounds for a 500 grain bullet at 1800 fps

The author is probably implying anything less than 45 is weak

Tactically, he could be suggesting any pistol wouldn't have penetrated the armor however the KE from a .45 would probably been enough to temporarily neutralize someone wearing the armor

>>29448293
>>29447162

As someone who has been shot with a similar round while using a level 3 plate, I can say that it does in fact really fucking hurt.

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>>29449048

>>29446283
Force on the bullet leaving the gun is emparted over the time the bullet travels down the barrel. When the bullet hits it hits all at once. Learn to physics.

>>29449048
>tfw not a girl.

>>29446665
>Lv1
Sorry I didn't realize it was 1950 again.

>>29448426
A plate will evenly disperse the energy.
Soft armor, not so much.

>>29446596
A .45 would at least knock the wind out of him

>>29445994
A fat guy can throw a sword through a car door, but I wouldn't recommend using that as a standard of armor.

>>29446318
.44 Magnum HP is what IIIa is rated for. It can probably stop other types of rounds, but it's liable to fail.

>>29449048
that gun looks pissed

Was Archer telling the truth when he said soft armor is basically useless after being shot once?

>>29451569
Nah, it's still useful. Obviously as it gets damaged it becomes less effective in those spots but nowhere near useless.

>>29449048
what horrible Trigger Disciplined

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Did /k/ watch the 2nd season of Daredevil on Netflix?

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>>29452101

Yep. Was super good, and the Punisher's actor fucking nailed the role.

That being said, the Punisher was also a huge detriment IMO. The writing around him wasn't that good plus he ends up doing things he absolutely should not be able to, such as [spoiler]taking on Daredevil in hand-to-hand combat and not only surviving but WINNING[/spoiler]

The Punisher in general has been doing alot of shit he shouldn't be able to recently. Like, how the fuck did he [spoiler]beat Captain America? That shit makes no sense.[/spoiler]

The Punisher's entire thing is supposed to be that he's just a soldier. An excellent soldier, but still just a soldier. What makes him special is that he's batshit insane and keeps going no matter what. He's not supposed to be some super strong and ultra skilled combatant.

>>29452146
Ok why the fuck didn't any of my spoiler tags work? Are you not allowed to put complete sentences inside of them?

>>29452146
There's no reason he couldn't beat DD. Cap'n is less believable, but he's still a low tier cape.

Also spoilers don't work on /k/ tardopuss.

>>29452159

Spoiler tags haven't worked on /k/ since forever. Did you forget you aren't on /co/ or something?

>>29452188

I personally don't see any reason he should win against Daredevil in hand to hand. Daredevil's entire combat experience is fighting hand to hand. Frank should be lethal with a gun, dangerous with a knife, and easily beaten in hand to hand against any cape who mainly uses their hands. That being said, I GUESS I can see it happening.

Captain though? The man's literally what Frank was except supersized. He's one of the fuckin' Avengers. I like the Punisher, but he shouldn't last 5 seconds against Captain America without being turned into a fine fucking mist.

>>29452205

Yeah, i'm an idiot.

>>29452226
You're not giving Frankie enough credit, he's an exceptionally seasoned brawler and has been shown to be so since forever.

He should be able to knock cap'n for a loop but beating him is kinda bullshit yes.

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>>29452146

I thought Captain America had his powers drained after his assassination.

He's also old as fuck last time i checked

>>29452188
>Cap'n is less believable, but he's still a low tier cape.


Cap is a ridiculous hand to hand combatant when he is on his game.

>>29446064
that's ft-lbs not ft/lbs
ft/lbs is a nonsense unit

>>29452146
Punisher was anointed by God to smite evil for a few weeks.
Captain America was fashioned by Americlap and Kraut science.

Cap was lucky he didn't die.

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This is now a capeshit thread

Only good fight in all marvel films coming through


http://youtu.be/K_WnCLJJ-Mg

>>29448426
...story?

>>29443163
No.
I love Frank, but the
>muh ferty five stopan powuh
meme is complete garbage. And there's no way a .45 acp can penetrate steel armor at any level.

>>29443214
>That's a thirty eight special he's handing back, right? Not really. Capacity beats penetration when you're dealing with unarmored assholes pining for your wallet.

I've never been harmed by a bullet that didn't hit me. Accuracy trumps capacity.

>>29446253
>Muh cz75 is best gun of 80 period

What, are you suggesting this isn't true?

>>29446253
>Muh cz75 is best gun of 80 period
Jeff Cooper agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>29446596
>it should get through Lv1 and Lv2 vests like a charm.
Does anyone make them that low anymore?

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>>29446253
>Muh cz75 is best gun of 80 period
git out

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>doubting Frank's advice

>>29453030
But that aint Frank.

>>29452226
I haven't seen the Daredevil series (yet), but you're right that it does seem out of character for Castle.

As far as I'm concerned, it's long been established that in the (mainstream) marvel universe, Castle absolutely refuses to fight back with the Cap based on pure principle, because Cap was his idol growing up and inspired him to become a soldier.

>>29446317
>Not reading what I was replying to
>Calling me a moron and then agreeing with me

The anon I was replying to was under the impression that a bullet hitting his body that was fully stopped by a vet wouldn't impart any more energy than it would on the shooter. This is incorrect, and why catching even a 9mm in a vest fucking sucks.

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>>29443163

>>29453010
woah, look out anon, someone put a knife in your trigger guard!

>>29453217
He's trying to teach himself trigger discipline.

>>29443163
seriously what the fuck is going on with his hand?

>>29453244
Grabbed the revolver from the guy. He was teacupping it too.

>>29453271
Oh my god, I thought his sleeve was like slipping over a fucking hook hand or some shit. God that was weird. I see it now.

>>29452146
I thought this was the best Punisher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc

>>29445661
That's a cop.

>>29452159
Captain America is punishers idol, he wont fight back. he hasn't defeated captain america unless you count the comic punisher kills the marvel universe. spoilers he kills cap...and everyone else.

>>29452226
>>29452258
>>29452306
>>29452315
frank wont fight back because captain A is his idol. but he is fully capable of doing so illustrated in the great comic Punisher kills the marvel universe.

>>29453178
its not, and the show is a pretty good portrayal of Frank. punisher is an anti hero meaning that he fights both good guys and bad guys at times while crossing moral boundaries most heros are bound by. Him and DD are both in the just a beginning of their stories and have no real knowledge of one other aside from the fact they stand in each other way.

>>29453215
that meme is old, the forces use what the military makes them and the army is considering going back to the 45.

>>29446283
>you ccan place your thumb on the back of a slide, and fire the gun, and your thumb will be fine.
I hope by place you mean rest, because if you mean hold against you're going to have a bad time.

>>29453215
Don't be so disrespectful.

>>29453729
>Punisher kills the marvel universe

Completely unrelated to the main universe. Like, not even spin-off related. That means that anything can happen by anyone, to anyone, in any way.

But I guess on that topic, if you haven't read it I really really recommend reading Old Man Logan. Focuses on Wolverine but really really good.

>>29446064
None of that is correct.

>>29446253
There was a SEAL who's leg got saved by his Randall bowie knife, presumably from x39. Fucking with a 1911 like that can indeed make it very unreliable, which is why the Detonics compact 1911s were such a big deal.

And most importantly, the Cz75 is still best handgat.

>>29453751
No they're not.

>>29445994
>a car door
I've put hundreds of .22lr rounds through car doors.

>>29446064
I own a 10mm.
No, it does not hit that hard even with the really cool BB stuff. 782 is the highest I have found.

>>29452923
I think some might, but I figure people would rather focus on stab-proof vests instead of Lv1 armor these days.

>>29453751
No, they're probably gonna stick with 9mm due to NATO

>>29453215
the real question is why would you choose a piss poor 9mm in a world where objectively superior 10mm exists

>>29457273
9mm is ubiquitous. Everywhere you go, you can find 9 milly. 10 mm hasn't saturated the market and most likely will not. If you stick with NATO rounds, you'll be golden. .45, 9mm, 5.56, 12 gauge, etc.

>>29457291
time to saturate the market with 10mm then
throw the sissy shit out

>>29446064
https://www.underwoodammo.com/45-acp-p-200-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point/
>538 ft-lbs
https://www.underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto-155-grain-full-metal-jacket-box-of-50/
>806 ft-lbs

Unless you chronographed yours coming out of a rifle you're full of it

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>>29446064

>1000 feet per pound

>>29457312
>the future of foot fetishes

>>29446325
How do you shoot a vest at someone

>>29457328
how do you not?

>>29443214
38 special has better penetration than 45ACP...

>>29453672
>>29453729
I think the "[Blank] kills the universe" idea was morbid bullshit anyway. I read the "Deadpool kills the universe" once and it was edgy circumstantial crap, his "fight" with Wolverine was maybe 2 pages.

>>29457351
well shit, do you really expect a long drawn out battle for everyone, do you know how many characters marvel has.

I liked them.

>>29457342
it must suck to be that retarded.

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>>29457557
You should check out The Boys.

>>29443214
no it's a 9mm

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>>29458751

>>29458500
>recommending ennis
>to anyone
you're a comic fudd

>>29459703
Aww, did I trigger you? Poor baby.

Ennis wrote a bunch of stuff. Punisher kills the marvel universe is basically his prototype for The Boys.

>>29459750
and it's all shit

>>29460197
Alright /co/mblr