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Millennium Challenge 2002

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How does /k/ refute this?

>Later, Van Riper also aired his frustrations in a taped-for-television interview: "There were accusations that Millennium Challenge was rigged. I can tell you it was not. It started out as a free-play exercise, in which both Red and Blue had the opportunity to win the game. However, about the third or fourth day, when the concepts that the command was testing failed to live up to their expectations, the command at that point began to script the exercise in order to prove these concepts. This was my critical complaint. You might say, 'Well, why didn't these concepts live up to the expectations?' I think they were fundamentally flawed in that theyleaned heavily on systems analysis of decision-making. I'm angered that, in a sense, $250 million was wasted. But I'm even more angry that an idea that has never been truly validated, that never really went through the crucible of a real experiment, is being exported to our operational forces to use.

http://www.rense.com/general64/fore.htm
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>>29361259
In 2002 distributed lethality was a twinkle in the mind's eye. Fast forward 14 years, and it's very, very real.

Those fixed exercises were fixed for good reasons, the Navy knew exactly what they were working towards.
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There's no reason why every ship in the Navy shouldn't have at least one quad Harpoon launcher and a CIWS, even supply vessels.
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Riper ruined it with his fanfiction.

>strapping missiles on boats, that are bigger than the boats
>maintaining coms via motorcycle

He made that exercise a waste of money.
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>>29361393
NSM, LRASM, and various VLS systems mean that currently reality is not so far from what you describe. It's not that simple, but that's the general idea being put in place.
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>>29361393
>There's no reason why every ship in the Navy shouldn't have at least one quad Harpoon launcher ... even supply vessels.

It's not just the launcher on the deck, anon. You also need to make space for a weapon control station, plus the targeting and guidance systems, plus having crew on board trained to operate the thing.

> Also, supply vessels are mostly operated by civilian contractors.
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>>29361259
>"motorcycle messengers" that instantly delivered their message
>rhib's that could somehow carry four silkworm missiles
>Suicide boats making "hits" because shipboard crew-serve's didn't count
>"light signals" that were just using the radio as normal

The whole exercise being about experimenting command and control concepts. It wasn't a war game about fighting. The exercise was about novel command structures and experimenting with new tech. They didn't even bother to some up with simulation rules about how weapons would work.

Van Riper knew this, but decided to turn it into his own "I'm such a great general" showcase and dicked things up so bad they had to tell him to shut up and give him a script to follow so he couldn't piss away another day of training.

Imagine you're trying to set up some training lanes to get LTs familiar with the blue force tracker. And then the SFC Van Ree-ree you put in charge of opfor declares his gov's are now tanks, the water trailer is now a HIMARS battery, and all your LT's are now dead.

That's what happened the first day of MC2002. Totally missed the point of what his role was to get in some retarded glory games and then got butthurt when told to stop being a peacock and get with the program.
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>>29361413
>strapping missiles on boats, that are bigger than the boats
>maintaining coms via motorcycle
You have no idea about Iranian military, haven't you?
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>>29361259
> 2002
A 14 year old excercise means fuckall at this point.
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>>29362169
> what is physics, and how doesn't it apply.

Did you know motorcycle couriers are slower than radio? Van Riper doesn't. His motorcycle couriers delivered messages 30 miles away instantly, instead of taking anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes to do it.

But the main thing, as >>29361600
pointed out, is that MC02 was modeling one specific aspect that the staff wanted to test. Van Riper insisted on his own scenario and shit so he can suck his own penis.
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>>29361259
>FTL messenger delivery system
>controlling a naval force capable of ignoring the laws of physics
>wasn't an exercise aimed at anything other than testing and training personnel on new electronics being integrated into the Navy
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>>29361259
>It started out as a free-play exercise, in which both Red and Blue had the opportunity to win the game.
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basically Van Riper was that faggot who used exploits and ruined the game for everyone else
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>>29364774
I do not know enough.

Did he find any valid problems?
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>>29364845
Not really. His actions were within the allowed confines of the game but it happens to be that the confines of the game were not the confines of reality. It's like a video game with a bug that was not known to the developers or an unintended feature but found by a player and used to great effect. Did he win? Yes. Did he do something the game allowed him to do? Yes. Was he an asshole for doing it in the manner he did? Yes.
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>>29361458
Ok, so make the weapon package modular- CIWS (or whatever), ammo stores, C and C equipment/functions all in something like a conex box. Crane it on board, weld it in place, plug in power, done. Onboard crew doesn't need to know anything about running or fixing it. Design it so that the escort can run it via data link. The B variant can be installed on non-civ ships, it can allow for rudimentary emergency operation from the bridge.
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>2000kg AShMs from jetskis is reasonable!
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