SCAR 17S vs SR-25 ACC

the scar for sure
the AR is mainly the price it is because lol KAC

I'd really like to own a SCAR-17, but the winner is the SR-25, and it's not really even close IMO.

Either choice you make, you're getting a hell of a rifle, good luck deciding OP.

>>29342369
What I learned is never get an AR that is more than $3000 when there is no real investment that actually fixes the the rifle's weakness.

>>29342400
Are you going to give reasons or ?

>>29342369
oh man, these faggots in this thread

The sr25 is a better rifle, period. If you want to spend more go for it. The scar is great too though, and it has its legacy too, i want one myself just as a range toy.

You can find scar 17 for around $2500 new if you look around. Don't know of that will help you with your decision or not.

>>29342400
>>29343211


Congrats on your dubs, but can either of you explain why the SR25 is superior?

Get a FAL, nerd

Scar is the better rifle. With the SR25 you are paying a premium for the kac nametag

>>29343233
nice dubs yourself

the dubs speak for themselves

get the sr25

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>>29342369
Both those rifles will do about one moa accuracy. KACs non chrome lined will do better, FN is releasing the Mk20 which will do better. But since both those you listed are .308 carbines I assume moa is just fine.

I went with the SCAR, KAC hasnt been winning many contracts as of late. FN has been coming out on top. Long term, this pattern is likely to continue. To me this says KAC may not have a solid future.

But realistically, your making a sounds choice either way you go.

>>29343278
with the scar you're paying for the fn price tag. Pay for the pony with colt? pay for the waffle with fucking FN. The FNX45 is no where near the build quality of a USP45 but costs the same

the ps90 is $1100 and it's a blowback and the sight carry handle thing is fucking pot metal.

the SCARs are also ridiculously cheap to manufacture.

all of the fn guns are good guns, but they don't costs shit to make.

so, why is the sr25 better than the scar17?
better trigger
longer, more ergonomic rail
no reciprocating charging handle
more accurate
the vanilla scar17 is no fucking sniper rifle. the sr25 is

>>29343539
OP posted the chrome lined barrel, this makes both rifles moa shooters. Not "sniper rifles"
SCAR can have a great trigger added in, a longer more egonmic rail, reciprocating charging handle is fine. But then its not a vanilla rifle.

OP here, to be clear this is the specific SR25 model I'm referring to. Both rifles have 16" barrels, neither is the 20" variation.

>https://www.knightarmco.com/portfolio/sr-25-e2-acc/?cate_cm=military&term=sr-25&features=sr-25-e2-acc#!prettyPhoto

>>29343539
Which is why SOCOM adores the SCAR platform for being easy and cheap to service while also functioning just as well as any KAC AR?

And where the hell are you getting fucking potmetal on the PS90? All bullpups are expensive to manufacture because of the plastic and what not. The AUG, MSAR, Tavor, MDR, RFB and RDB are all at least a grand and don't that complex firing mechanisms. They just need more work to manufacture.

And considering that QC is what spikes the prices on guns, as well as the materials, the SCAR does demand a fair price.

While the SR25, while pretty decent, is not fucking 4250$.

Sure, the SCAR, like EOTech and Trijicon all have that military association that drives up the price a bit, the KAC SR15 hovers around 2k. The SR25 does not cost them an extra 2 grand to fucking manufacture.

>>29342369
The scar.
I find most ARs to be meh comfort wise, so I wouldn't want a rifle based on it.
I held a scar and that's maybe the best feeling battle rifle I've ever held, even if I do hate how it looks. It was light years above your average /brg/ battle rifle, excluding one or two less commonly seen ones there.

>>29343961
https://www.boltcarrier.com/product/sr-25e2-advanced-combat-carbine

$4249

>>29343539
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

>>29343539
>the ps90 is $1100 and it's a blowback and the sight carry handle thing is fucking pot metal.
You know how I know you've never handled a ps90

>the SCARs are also ridiculously cheap to manufacture.
And this is bad because

>all of the fn guns are good guns, but they don't costs shit to make.
Fuck a company for selling a good product for more than it costs them to make it, it's like they're not even thinking about the little guy like you

>so, why is the sr25 better than the scar17?
>better trigger
This can change. This is like saying a ras47 is better than a wasr because the grip is better

>longer, more ergonomic rail
Yes, this top rail is definitely more comfortable for when I hold my rifle the wrong way

>no reciprocating charging handle
Did I mention I don't know how to hold my rifle?

>more accurate
both the same

>the vanilla scar17 is no fucking sniper rifle. the sr25 is
This doesn't matter because you still haven't seen either in person, let alone compared them with actual use.

Clutch your nugget tight friend, and keep telling yourself why it's just as good

>>29343555
all of which increase the price of the scar.

>>29344040
yes. yes i have. That metal is fucking cheap. again, im not saying it's a bad gun. it was so goddamn fun to shoot and so goddamn awesome. But i don't think it's a $1100 gun.

a pistol grip is $20. a gesseillie trigger is $200

im not saying to costa grip that shit, but the scar has a short fucking handguard. And the charging handle does cause issues.

>>29344070
So a SCAR today costs like $3k, the SR25, like $4200. Still cheaper than the KAC when you add in a trigger and handguards to flavor.

>>29344070
But still, you can't judge two different guns for an optional, interchangeable, and easily replaceable part.

Show me one stock trigger that's not a meme, that is actually considered good.

And you wouldn't judge an AK for a reciprocating charging handle, because you know that's how it works and you know not to hold the rifle by the bolt.

When I let people shoot my scar, I don't even tell them about the handle because you either need to be another dimension of stupid to hold the gun so wrong as to even remotely interfere with the charging handle

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I like mine

>>29346340
You kept the a2?

>>29344070
You are really, really dumb

>>29346340
you mean the grip I assume. I have a houge on order it should be here soon

>>29346340
Would you say it's worth $4.2k?

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>>29346680
mine is an ECR and they are a little more expensive now that they are out of production they go from 5-5.5k. so I can speak for the new acc's. the new improvements they made to the gas system are very interesting though. I cannot stand the rails on them. I really like it I have owned three .308 ar's before this and this is the nicest one by far. it is a very smooth shooter. the factory target was .712 for mine I don't really intend on using it past 800m but it is all about what you are into man.

>>29343539

This is what sour grapes looks like

>>29343526
>The SR-25 may not have a future

Literally pants on head retarded. The SR-25 has been around for over 25 years now and is based on one of the most prolific guns in history on which it shares significant parts compatibility.

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>>29347935

>I HATE CHANGE IT MAKES ME SCARED. U R THE DUMB ONE NOT ME.

>>29347954
>Replying with memes

Your argument was completely ignorant and had no basis in reality.

>>29347935
>shares significant parts compatibility.
Trigger and furniture? I'd hardly consider that significant.

>>29348055
I'll let you do the research. You're speaking from complete lack of experience and it shows.

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>>29348055

Meanwhile these two rifles can interchange 80% of their parts.

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>>29348140

>>29348097
There is zero parts commonality among critical components, that means the bolt, bolt carrier, upper and lower receivers, buffer and tube, barrel, and gas block. Anything else is insignificant.

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>>29348156

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>>29348156

Better than what they're imported with.

>>29348157
Mostly incorrect. Keep googling.

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>>29342369
With the SR-25 you get:
Truly ambi mag/bolt release
Match grade trigger
Longer rail
More ergonomic gun
Sling attachment points that don't suck
Access to cheaper and more durable magazines
More durable and greater stock options
A softer and flatter shooting gun
No obnoxious concussive brake
No obnoxious reciprocating charging handle
A gun with an upper receiver that doesn't flex like a noodle and chew optics up

With the SCAR you get:
A gun that *might* be more reliable
A folding stock
An easy barrel swap procedure and factory SBR barrels if you're into that

If you follow trainers, the SMU/Tier 1 guys almost all seem to favor the KAC/SR-25 over the SCAR. Kyle Defoor has said in the past he hates the SCAR line all around in either 16 or 17 variety. John McPhee shot an SR-25 over a SCAR while in Delta and now outside as a trainer. Jason Falla just got an SR-25 he was posting a few days ago and said he finds them far better than the SCAR. Vickers has said in the past the 17 is his choice only as long as the SR-25 isn't an option. I think McNamara as well has posted preference for the SR-25.

>>29348243

Wow, a fucking cotter pin. We 100% parts commonality now.

>>29348265
Still incorrect. Zero experience still showing. Try google again.

>>29348263
>guys like to use what they have experience with

You don't say? Falla is even sponsored by KAC, what do you expect him to say?

I'm not even going to address the pros/cons you listed because most of them are subjective if not completely fabricated.

>>29348265
>>29348276
two people in a shilling war for rifles they probably haven't even touched in their life let alone own.

>>29348263
Basically, they're both good guns, but the SR-25 does come from the factory more "ready to go" than the SCAR considering most SCAR users are buying new triggers, rail extensions, and muzzle devices right away.
Whether or not that justifies the ~$2k price difference is your call.

We also had a trip on here who had a 17 and an SR-25 and he voiced his preference for the SR-25 after a while of ownership.
Either is a good choice. I like the SR-25 more and would rather own one, but I'd probably settle for a SCAR since I just couldn't justify spending $4k+ on one gun. Plus I really like the idea of SBRing a SCAR 17 and putting a 13" on it right away.

>>29348322
>ready to go

There is literally nothing wrong with the SCAR out of the box. The only thing it lacks from the factory is ammo to shoot.

People are just intent on changing things to meet their own personal preferences but that is hardly a slight against the weapon itself.

>>29348263
SR25 is softer shooting and shoots flatter?
More durable?
SCAR can fit all SR25 options out there, plus its own, plus ACR
Brakes can be swapped out
So it eats shit optics, dont put shit optics on a good gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-5R-mUg5z4
>Just sayin' M8

>>29349157
Thats more a test of the MAMS.
Im not surprised a $400 muzzle break works well.

>>29348263
>Ambi release isn't needed if you're a part of the 5% of the population that is left handed
>Match grade trigger is only needed for fine target shooting which the SR25 is meant for
>Rail is fine. From what I've experienced, rail is long enough. It's already a heavy gun,
>Debateable
>Then don't attach your sling like a retard
>Spend 250 dollars and get a lower that accepts PMAGS
>Can take AR stocks with 75 dollar aftermarket part, even though its unneeded since the stock is already comfy as fuck
>Same caliber, same barrel length and is without a doubt one of the softest shooting .308s, according to 95% of the 3 gun community doing heavy metal
>It's same brake in usage
>No chode forward assist that causes gun to fuck up when being used, and literally was only added because US generals thought soldiers would feel better if they had something to shoot
>Because a monolithic, hammer forged steel upper flexes said no one ever and chews up 50 dollar walmart scopes?

>A gun that will be more reliable. According to SOCOM anyway
>A functioning folding stock that you don't have to spend an extra 150 on, on the KAC, as well as gunsmithing tools to install it
>Easy to service parts, including barrels, so you have a toolless rifle

"Tier 1" tards also want the M1911 to come back because MUH .45 BLOW EM AWAY. Delta is full of fucktards who are taught how to shoot and do operational stuff operationally. Defoor is also just as bad as a Shill as Mac is for IWI. Can guarantee you everyone who's shilling the SR25 is saying that because it's a 4250 dollar gun, that KAC gives them a 750 dollar rebate on if they're ex military/special ed and proclaim on high that they love their new SR25, as far as I know and last heard, since they failed to get into SOCOM's pants with the last procurement contract and want the positive publicity.

And really? Vickers? No seriously.

>>29349252
True, but It's good stuff and the KAC's 2 stage trigger is real nice.
>love muh EMC

>>29349353
pmags arent as durable

>>29349371
Sure is.
The stock SCAR trigger isnt meant to be a target trigger. There are plenty of aftermarket options out there for those who want one.

The SCAR isnt meant to be a target rifle. The Mk20/CSR-20 is.

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>>29349395
>buy a light weight pencil barreled combat rifle
>shoot it from the bench exclusively for tiny groups
>complain about having a combat trigger

Literally every SCAR review ever.

>>29349371
Yeah, most 2 stage triggers are, but fuck me would I not want one on a battle rifle. DMR, definitely. On a BR, I want to have as short and as clean of a break I can possibly get on my trigger.

But on the same hand, it's not that hard to build something of equivalent quality as a KAC EMC if you do it by hand, hell, you'd be able to get something more fine tuned to your desires while also coming under, maybe even more accurate, I've seen it done before.

>>29349375
Then get an aluminum lower that takes DPMS mags. Really, the SR25 mags made by magpul are fine, I have 5 for my LR308 and they've worked fine, the only one I had issues with was a 2 year old mag that used by the idiot I bought the rifle from who thought he could left plastic anything in the back of his car for a year and a half, loaded, without checking up on it, and cracked it when he took it out and dropped it on the pavement.

Go metal if you want, or PMAG, there isn't really much of a difference in reliability or price point if you order in bulk.

>>29349157
Does anybody know how bad the MAMS is in concussion on the sides? Want a muzzle break that doesn't detach my retinas

>>29349489
What im getting at is that SCAR mags are PLENTY reliable. Seventy year old design more or less. No one has had a reason to complain about them.

>>29349527
It's not the most aggressive blast wave, but it's still a muzzle brake. Softer than a Surefire comp
>there isn't exactly a standard metric for measuring & comparing brakes, comps & flash hiders

>>29349888
Is there a muzzle brake that is best at both diffusing concussion and mitigating recoil? What about the triple tap?

Or am I pretty much stuck with flash hiders if I want to avoid concussion.

>>29349987
All muzzle brakes have the concussion.
If you dont want that, stick to flash hiders.

Neither. Get a gap-10

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>>29343221
Where the fuck are you finding a SCAR for 2500$? Best I see anywhere is $2800

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>>29349987
Triple tap works well but puts off a far amount of flash and not great for night shooting. The mams is a newer design and puts off little to no flash.
>for both the blast wave only sucks if you're the guy standing next to me. For the shooter it's not noticeable.

>>29350292
Buds has had them for 2500. Gun broker has had them go for as low as 2k. Fuck, go used and they'll be as low as 1800.

So, what if I wanted to build an AR-10 like a MaTen vs a Scar, which should I choose?

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>>29350319
What the fuck do prices from years ago have to do with anything? A 17s is nowhere near what you're saying
https://gunwatcher.com/Search-best-price/scar-17-for-sale

>>29348174
This man has good taste in shoe brands

>>29350325
Depends what your looking for.
You can build an AR10 to suit. The SCAR is what it is, but it can do a lot of things.

>>29350170
It looks pretty good. Can you post why you'd choose that over either OP listed?

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sr25 is a psa ar10 with an inflated price tag because of the rollmark

get a scar 17

>>29342369
>getting a battle rifle
>all he battles is gravity due to excess fat

Legendary fucking jej kiddo

>>29350557
Fuck, the black version is so sexy.
Will be even sexier with a 20" barrel on it.

>>29350345
Try 8 months ago.

The prices on Scars in general have jumped quite a bit recently because FNH is cutting production to make the new MK20, so the stores that have them have been inflating the prices.

I literally have seen 8 SCARs, 16 and 17, go for sale on gun broker, over the past year, in ballpark 2.5k.

Again, it's literally because of the MK20. People are hyped for the new rifle, Scars have always gone rather quickly, and right now, FNH does not have the ability to meet their production quotas, especially so when you consider the Marines just ordered like a 100k M4s.

On topic: what's the expected cost of the 20" SCAR 17?
Someone in another thread mentioned it would cost 5k like the Mk. 20, but that seemed extreme

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>>29350652
Mk20 is expected with a bite the pillow, im going in dry price tag. But its supposedly going to come as a full on kit with errything.

Supposedly.

Now a SCAR with a 20" bbl may or may not be offered as a stand alone config. But FN is supposed to release the barrel. Handl is working on aftermarket barrels, as is MGW. HDD has them now, but they are shit.

So get a 16" now, change it to 20" later, sell the 16" barrel of.

Is SCAR is literally just an overhyped G36.


I really don't see the appeal.

>>29350753
>is Scar is

You've obviously never seen a grammar textbook either

>>29347802
But it's not. Noticed how the fs2000 wasn't mentioned or the 5.7? Because I haven't handled those. Ill correct myself, the p90 is cast metal. And it still looks ugly as shit, and its still cheap as shit, makig the price ridiculous for a cast metal and polymer blowback. But I still REALLY enjoyed shooting it.

I didn't like the fnx45 or the fns9.

And finally, vanilla scar17 isn't nearly as impressive as vanilla kac, you could spend $500 on aftermarket shit to help it vet closer, but the sr25 is awesome

>>29349058
The majority of the scar's mass is in the middle of the gun. It can make for some funky recoil if you don't have a good position. And you can change all the parts you fucking want, but with every new part you're getting closer to the kac price tag.

>>29349353
>operating all the reload controls with your firing hand is great.
>but having one makes shooting all distances better, and justifies the higher price. That's like glockfags saying the 1911's superior trigger isnt needed and therefore irrelevant in the discussion
>wouldn't be so heavy on internal piston
>qd slings are awesome, and the scar can't use them
>spending more money to fix the gun, bringing the prices even closer
>if you think foward assists cause issues you should stop wasting oxygen and suicide
>>29346357
Wow man, that really hurts my feelings.

>>29350753
They are literally nothing alike other than being made of plastic. Is this bait?

>>29342369
The Wiki for the SR-25 says the barrel is 24 inches long. Is this true? Does not look like it at all in OP's pic.

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>>29350835
Same exact bolt/carrier and piston concept that was lifted from the Stoner 63.

There is nothing novel or innovative about it. FN just has decent QC and good marketing.

>>29350864
Go check KACs website
There is more than one model

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>>29350883
Compared to pic related, which most of you shills probably haven't ever seen before.

>>29350909
>b-but muh innovation
ugg fags btfo

How much do used SR-25s go for?

>>29350909
>>29350883

I think you're understating the differences between the two of them; they clearly share nearly identical BCG's but to say that the SCAR is a "just an overhyped G36" ignores the completely different physical constructions and method of operations.

>>29350824
>You can manipulate using your primary hand
>The SCAR 17 isn't a DMR, it's not supposed to be a DMR, that's why they're making the MK20
>SR25 is 15 pounds, Scar 17 is 8
>So buying the mounting hardware for a QD sling
>You already get a fucking fantastic stock on the SCAR. I literally cannot think of a reason why you'd want to change it out, it's got an adjustable lop, folds and adjustable cheek riser, unless you're an idiot who thinks the fact that it looks like a boot is completely irrelevant in the face of comfort.
>Not knowing that Stoner himself said that if you try and use a forward assist to push the AR bolt into battery if its jammed, will destroy your rifle
>2016
>Literally said, if your gun does not go into battery, it is telling you that something is wrong and you need to clear it or you will experience a catastrophic failure
>Literally said by the Generals who modified the M16 DIRECTLY AGAINST STONERS SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVISORY, that they wanted the forward assist because they thought soldiers would be comforted by having something to push, on their rifle
>Not knowing the military tells you to never fuck with your forward assist

>>29350981
So at this point your saying that the sr25 is a dmr and the scar17 isn't. Why compare at that point?
>not knowing im military
>not knowing sports
>not ignoring sports and just dropping the magazine, cleaning out the obstruction, loading a new mag and rolling out.

On the AR, if that bolt doesn't seat and you dont have a charging handle, fucked. It's not an ak where you can push the charging handle foward. Tbh, the charging handle is a weak point of the ar15 design. It's surprisingly easy to break and makes a foward assist necessary. But again, the foward assist makes the same effect as pushing the charging handle foward if your shit didnt seat correctly.

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>>29350974
It's just more proof that the AR-18 was waaaaaay ahead of its time.

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>>29350640
>8 months ago
You mean not NOW? You literal fucking semen snorter. It doesn't matter what the fuck the prices WERE, that's not the price that they are NOW. How is this so difficult for you?

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>>29351072
I mean, why else would literally every new Euro infantry rifle be more or less just a copy of it?

>>29351072
>>29351110

If I had my MCX with me I'd take a picture of its BCG; its literally half an ar15 bolt carrier attached to the dual spring set up on the 18.

>>29351166
Now I want to see pics. That sounds like a glorious abomination.

I own essentially both and I prefer the SR-25, I am an AR kind of guy though.

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>>29351110
>>29351166
>>29351218

Lol

There really hasn't been any real innovation for the last 50 years, has there?

>>29351242
Lol maybe not. I remember I had my MCX BCG next to my SCAR17's and could've sworn I had seen that shot before

>>29351242
Holy hell looking at this pic I don't think so.

>>29351065
Yeah, it's almost like that was the original point and difference between the SR25 and SCAR 17 since it was two different contracts, for two different branches of the military to have two different rifles fill two different rolls, a easily suppressed DMR capable of reaching out to 1 km and was specifically chosen because of the M16 commonality the SR25 shares, and a easily modified, easily worked on battle rifle meant to work in a variety of conditions while also engaging targets reliably out to 6-800 or so meters with magnified optics, if my memory serves me well.

The point is, there's no point to getting a KAC SR25 with a 16 inch barrel because at the price point and barrel length, they're nearly identical in performance, only the SCAR17 requires far less tools to work on, costs less and should you want to turn it into a DMR, all you really need is a 150 dollar trigger and a 600 dollar 20 inch conversion kit. And you STILL come out ahead and STILL get similar performance akin to the SR25.

The point is the SR25 is a fucking rollmark rifle. It does not cost them 4k, if you account the extra 250 as "profit" to make a fucking AR10, not when PSA is able to crank em out for a cool 1k. Granted, there is noticible differences in quality. However, the fucking SR15 costs 2k. Where does this fucking difference in 2 fucking thousand dollars come from?

And I wasn't ignoring sports, I was saying the Forward assist is a retarded abortion of an idea that shouldn't even BE on most any AR when it shouldn't ever be used according to the guy who probably knew more about engineering than the retarded generals who not a year before, were throwing shitfits about having to drop the m14 because they were nostalgia babies.

If your bolt doesn't seat, draw back the charging handle part way and release. You got no charging handle, you're fucked and you will very quickly start experiencing issues with the bolt.

Not an issue for the SCAR since it's ch is reciprocating.

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>>29351242
Looks similar to the BCG on an FS2000.

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>>29351346
>not when PSA is able to crank em out for a cool 1k. Granted, there is noticible differences in quality.

>>29351378
looks like a steam powered dildo

>>29348263
Literally every point you just made in favor of the SR-25 is either wrong or a simple aftermarket part solution for the SCAR. Just saying.

>Softer shooting
My ass

>>29351526
My SR-25 is softer shooting than my SCAR, It's impulse is more of a slow push as apposed to the SCAR's "snappier" recoil.

>>29351384
Lets look at the numbers chuckle nuts.

PSA is able to put out a SR25 clone at the price of 1.2k without doing a sale. Sales actually only bring it closer to it's actual MSRP which is at 1k.

At 1k, you're able to get a full length keymod, picatinny or Mlok handguard. a 16 or 20 inch barrel and the same MOE stock that comes on the civy SR25.

Assuming a 12.5 mark up that is usually the rollback default as opposed to the 20% markup that is standard when manufacturers set their MSRP, it's safe to say PSA is making their SR25 clones for 850. Which is reasonable considering their flat standard, military standard models go for about 750 on sale as well.

850 dollars. to make a lower grade rifle.

But there are notable differences.

First and foremost, machine work. KAC uses the same exact machining processes as PSA does except for the fact that KAC uses one extra step, and that is the fitting process when they mate an upper to a lower. They do this by having a +.002/.005 tolerance between the upper and lower. So you can probably add an extra 50 dollars since once the upper and lowers are machined, they need to be put together by hand and have their tolerances speced.

So that's 900.

Next is barrel. Barrels are easy to make but difficult to spec. KAC I know, uses better steel in their barrels and uses far, far tighter QC on their barrels, creating a 200 dollar gap between theirs and PSA, but for good reason.

So thats 1100.

Bolt carrier. Same case, more expensive steel, extra 50. So 1150.

Buffers themselves can get stupidly expensive depending on what they're made of and filled with. KAC uses metal filament as opposed to disks, which is more expensive to manufacture, so it's an extra 75. 1225.

Then hand assembly with more QC. Extra 400, though norm is about 200, but they're able to get away with this because mil contract. 1625. Throw in 25 for 20 round test, 50 for 2 mags.

1700 dollars to make an SR25. Bite me.

>>29351552
Me and everyone who's shot my SCAR said it was just a smooth push. The action is designed better for felt recoil.

>>29351684
Well as someone who owns both I disagree, but whatever.

>>29351646
>implying

>>29351688
>but whatever
Did you flip your hair when you typed that?

>>29351712
nope

>>29351725
ok

So what are you doing this weekend?

>>29351763
Probably shooting my SR-25 and SCAR 17 and commenting about how much more comfortable it is to shoot the KAC.

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>>29351646
>every single increase in quality in the world only costs exactly $50

damn man I am ready to step into a Ferrari if it only is gonna cost 50 bucks

>>29351785
I'm not your real dad you know.

>>29348210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAzXEIsxl4

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The HK-91 is still better then both with plenty of money left over

>>29351785
The SCAR is uncomfortable? Really?

>>29351967
no, just not as comfortable as the KAC.

>>29351997
What do they weigh?

>>29351967
dont listen to that troll

>>29352023
no idea what my SR-25 weighs but it is more, however it has a flash hider while the SCAR has a muzzle brake.

>>29352029
lolwut

>>29352023
>Questions you can easily answer for yourself faster with Google than by asking on 4chan

>>29352072
>There is only model of SR25!
>No one adds anything to their rifles, ever!

>>29352085
Compare models with similar features and barrel lengths, dry with no extra equipment strapped on because the optics, mounts, and other accessories weigh the same. Keep in mind the barrel profile of both. Congratulations you have an approximation

>>29352085
According to my kitchen scale my SR-25 is 9 lbs 2 oz with only the iron sights and 3 rail covers.

>>29352157
How?

>>29352157
And my SCAR 17s comes out to 8lbs 3 oz

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>>29352164
I have a 16" SR-25 with dimpled barrel

>>29352221
Ahh. Very nice.

>SCARfags thump their chest over how great the SCAR is
>Buttdevastated the gun they thought made them a non-poorfag is scoffed at by a higher end rifle like the SR-25
>Stamp their foot and scream no when the better shooting SR-25 is pointed out
>Cry anyone professional who advocates it as frauds/hacks/shills
>Someone who owns both actually comes along and reinforces those claims
>The SCARfags get quiet and backtrack trying to play all nice now
Literally on the level of CZfags for damage control at this point.
Deliciously salty squid tears.

>>29352225
I like that despite KAC optimized the 16" models with a rifle length gas system, it is very soft shooting, If MAMS weren't so goddamn expensive I would have one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-5R-mUg5z4

>>29352280
Do you do long distance shooting? Do you think the 16" or the 20" would be better for general use?
Also,
>that video
holy fuck

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>>29352221
>>29352280
what bi pod would you recommend for my ar10

>>29352302
I only get out to about 700 yards with regularity, the nearest 1k yard rage is about a hour and a half so I haven't been there yet. KAC themselves have said that their 16" guns are better overall that their 20" which is why moving forward they only will have one 20" model ad several 14.5-16" SR-25s. I managed to jump on one of the "delta bringbacks" for a cheaper price ad I don't think I would buy a newer SR-25 at the current prices honestly, they are fantastic rifles though.

>>29352312
I use the atlas in the picture, but a harris would probably do fine and for much cheaper. The atlas is good for adapting to unconventional shooting stances since it ca lock at multiple angles.

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everyone is arguing about expensive rifles, and I'm just sitting here with my RFB

So were I to build my AR-10 I should go for a 16in?

>>29352542
How's the recoil on that rfb? How's the accuracy and weight?

I've been considering one for a while.

>>29352542
i heard those were literal shit? not trolling i really wanted one. whats yours like

>>29352542
>screws

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>>29352582
Recoil is on par with other 308's I have fired. It has a bit less muzzle rise, given the weight distribution.

Accuracy is pretty good, though it could be better. 1 1/2 moa, down to 1 on my best days. It favors heavier bullets.

It is a bit heavy, or at least heavy for its size, coming in at about 8 lbs naked. It feels so good shouldered though, very balanced.

>>29352590

To be honest with you, I am in love with mine. I thought this rifle was a meme, like most keltec products, but I got to handle one at the range and it blew me away, so I bought one for myself shortly after. You get so much in a tiny package, and being able to use metric FAL magazines is a major plus. You also get a pretty nice adjustable gas system out of the box, which will be handy once my YHM 7.62 suppressor shows up this summer.

The trigger is excellent, on par with my geissele SSA-E equipped AR.

If you are a tall dude, you will have trouble with this gun out of the box though. I am 6'3, so holding a rifle this short is a bit uncomfortable. I bought the stock extensions from keltec ($35 - pictured), and it solved this problem perfectly.

Overall, I'd recommend getting one. They are pretty darn cheap for what you are getting ($1450-$1600).

>>29352830
It seems to get mixed reviews and kel-tec doesn't have the best customer service reputation. I love them but I'm afraid of making the plunge.

>>29352976
really? I looked at tons of reviews and they were all positive. Even nutnfancy's was good.

They released a gen2 version with an improved gas system which fixed most issues.

>>29348263
Do you own both? I own a scar and a dd5v1, which is fairly close to the sr25. Wanna guess which one I prefer to shoot with?

>>29353924
>a dd5v1, which is fairly close to the sr25.
Yeah, no.

>>29352270
This. It's only 9Am and this thread has made my day. :)

>>29351872
I agree

Fn a shit
KAC a shit

>>29355867
>Fn a shit

Nigga please

>>29352270
Yeah, KAC totally won when SOCOM picked the SCAR over the SR15 and SR25 even though they were projected to be of similar price points per a unit.

Damn. FNH must really feel stupid designing the SCAR and MK20, which SOCOM is taking over the M110 mind you, to be able of complete disassembly with nothing more than a 50 cent hex wrench. Fuck, talk about stupid.

Yes, suck on the dick of a tripfag trying to justify spending an extra 1500k on a useless purchase.

Oh so salty.

I mean, with all the playground NU UHS coming from SR25 owners, it honestly doesn't sound like purchase justification once they realized they were paying for a rollmark.

>>29351786
confirmed for not a mechanical engineer. Im not that anon but working in the steel refining process and some machine companies leads me to believe he is right. 50$ is a lot for a companie to increase on any small process for manufacturing .

>>29352270
this. ITT

Most side by side comparisons ive seen have said that the SCAR has less recoil, but its sharper, KAC being harder but more of a shove. Think .40 vs .45 in handgun terms.

The boot is designed more an infantrymans stock, the magpul/B5/whatever stocks KAC uses can be so, or more SPR type.

The SCAR isnt designed to be a precision shooting rifle. It happens to be accurate. The SR25 is available in many flavors, can be a lot of things. The best your going to do with a SCAR is put a 13" bbl on it for now.

When the Mk20 comes out, then well have a better comparison.

>>29354708
Nigga u haven't even touched one