assadboos & slavboos btfo

>>29339995
Why do you support IS?

Last time we ousted a moderate leader/dictator look what happened.

>>29339995

>Rooting for terrorists

Assad is a nice dude unlike them moderate headchoppers

>>29340013
>>29340027
Look, /pol/ is already here.
>inb4 if you are not for russia you are against white race
>inb4 if you are not for Assad you are for IS

>>29340158
Lets play a game;
NAME THAT LOGICAL FALLACY

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>>29340158
Leftists support Assad too.

The YPG are communists, after all.

>>29340158
>Look, /pol/ is already here.
You were already here when you made the OP

>>29340027
>>29340013
>h-how can you hate russia-san. You must be a terrorist!

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>>29340177
>>29340182
>>29340199
>trying to comeback with witty commments.

>>29340271
>comeback
Comeback to what?
Two strawmen and some name-calling?

Vatniks are gross but the neoconservatives who want to see Russia fail are nasty as fuck

>>29340281
>"/k/" routing for russia
I like how you can easily spot the shills since ukraine crisis.

>>29340224

In this context, yes, that is absolutely true.

>>29340308
We all can smell leddit and /pol/ from a mile away. Go back to your dungeon.

>>29340316
>I-if you are not for Assad and Russia, who are the ones doing the least against IS, you are for IS i say
I still remember how Assad released specifcly those who later become IS.

>>29340330
So everyone who is not gobbling russian and Assad cock is reddit now? Care to explain how this is not a 101 copy of /pol/?

>>29340375
The fact you are so adamantly anti-Assad and anti-Russian just shows you didnt come from /k/ or you are just completely ignorant of current affairs.

>>29340356

>Releasing somebody from jail is never okay because they might become a terrorist at some point in the future

>>29340375

Hating Assad for killing terrorists is definitely reddit-tier.

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>>29340271
>being wrong

>>29340394
>w-we must keep up the /pol/ meme of routing for russia and Assad

>>29340406
Need some more straw? You going to run out quick, when you dont stop using it so carrelessly.

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>>29340438
>he said something against russia
>therefore he is wrong

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>>29340455

Daily reminder that Assad has literally done nothing wrong.

>>29340488
No, he did the classic dictator fuck up:.
>Ignore crisis in country
>Protests begin
>Jail, kidnap, torture, kill everybody equally no matter how peaceful or brutal protesters were, because you are a dictator lol
>radicalise a whole nation
>release radicalised back to public
>woops civil war

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>>29340605

The ONLY thing Assad has done wrong is not killing enough Jihadists yet. The path to peace must be drenched in the blood of IS corpses

>>29340605
>the opposition is mostly syrians

kek

>>29340649
>p-please believe already assad did nothing wrong
>i already said it multiple times, isnt that enough?
>what do you mean arguements? have some /pol/ slurs instead

>>29340690
Now point out exactly where i said that.

>>29340649
>>29340182
I like how people keep posting pro Assad pictures from /pol/ and act like they are not from there as is their opinion.

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>>29340740
>>29340816

I can't hear you over the sound of terrorists dying.

>>29340860
Terrorists say thank you for radicalising the population to Assad and making them look like an option.

>>29339995
>>>29319839
>Daily reminder, OP is and always will be, a faggot.

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>>29339995
this is like the middle east wars containment thread. im glad all you shit posters dont go and derail good threads anymore

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>>29340470
>implying leftists support Russia

>>29340816
I've never seen any leftists on /pol/ except for phony ones who are just into the aesthetics but have conservative politics.

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>>29341066
oh god no dont point them there! theyll just shit up the place oh god damn it what have you done!!!!!!

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>OP wants LYbia2: Electric Boogaloo

Yeah, nah go suck some more dicks OP

>>29341153
Do you even want to make sense to begin with?

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>>29339995

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1214/US-Assad-s-Syria-a-dead-man-walking

http://theweek.com/articles/460516/4-signs-russia-abandoning-syria

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4663172,00.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/analysis-syrias-assad-set-be-abandoned-russia-iran-n403581

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11934564/Russia-reducing-air-strikes-against-Syrian-rebels-as-intervention-fails.html

Has any western news organization ever managed to call the Syrian Civil War right?

>>29341316
Forget it, MSM will always spin it to spot ASSad and Russia in a bad light, inflating rethoric is being practised extencively in all heated matters now, especially in British media, those fuckers use every possible deragatory term.

>>29340182
>YPG
>support Assad
>not in uneasy truce with

>>29341985
they did ship them weapons and supplies more than once. They even cooperated when they defended a kurd town fro isis and assad needs a buffer against turkey which is next for a civil war.
Kurds get a federate state in syria and they fight the same enemies as the regime does.
No matter how much you hate russians and refuse to give them any recognition of forcing a 5 year old war into peace talks, they did it and defended their interests without getting bogged down like soviets did in afganistan or usa did in iraq and afganistan.
Assad killed your beloved brothers with barrelbombs and stood his ground.

>>29341985
Yeah, and I'm just some dude in America on a Peruvian vintage blender board. So I don't really "support" Assad either.

>>29339995
You mean how the US and their redneck sandnigger dommes got so fucking BTFO they literally had to stop shoving insurgents across the border because they were dying in droves five minute after crossing? Fucking top fucking kek.

>>29340013
Listen, I'd hate more than anyone for Islamists to be in power (seeing as Syria is a major neighbour of ours) but Assad is no moderate. Hell, the political spectrums of Left and Right used by the West are inefficient at detailing the complex political sphere of the Middle East. But the Assad regime are just as ruthless and bloodthirsty as any other. The only difference is that they don't use religious dogmas as a foundation for their systems.

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>>29343974
Ruthless and bloodthirsty in the pursuit of what end?

You're implying that ruthlessness and bloodthirstyness are intrinsically bad. They're not. There is no problem with ruthlessly pursuing Islamists and thirsting for their blood.

>>29344013
>Ruthless and bloodthirsty in the pursuit of what end?
Total control and fear of the population

>You're implying that ruthlessness and bloodthirstyness are intrinsically bad. They're not. There is no problem with ruthlessly pursuing Islamists and thirsting for their blood.
That's cute coming from someone living in a cushy 1st world democracy. Yeah you tell me that when your brother gets arrested and beaten by the mukhabarat because they didn't like the look about him, or because they talked about politics.

A key to a rational and peaceful civilization is education and free thought, anything that hinders that will keep the people backwards, violent, and ignorant. People make out religion to be the only hindrance to this goal, which it is in the vast majority of the time, but having an oppressive and violent state that breeds violence and fear in its people is often overlooked. Having your people in fear of growing, developing, and questioning because they're afraid of being kidnapped by the mukhabarat is just as bad as being in fear of being lynched by islamist thugs. Assad's regime looked nice and moderate on the outside, but that was just a facade.

So don't give me this bullshit when you've never actually stepped foot in the Middle East. You think those guys who fight loyally for Assad (not the regular conscripts, I'm talking about the officers and so on) are any better than some Islamist pig? They hate you and would cut your throat with just as little remorse. This regime breeds psychopaths, the only difference is that their reasons are different. You deride the Middle East for being filled with uncultured savages, but your solution to the problem is having a man who's power base is run by uncultured savage thugs.

>>29344126
I'm an American, but I am Syrian/Leabnese American.

I have set foot in the Middle East. A little town called Baghdad in 2007. Where I was ruthlessly and bloodthirstily pursuing the people you support.

Get fucked Sunni trash.

>>29344187
I'm Lebanese, Lebanese Lebanese. I've lived here my whole life and have been to Syria (not under the pretext of invasion).

And I'm Druze too, so lol suck a dick.

>>29343974
There's no such thing as moderate.

Saddam was killed - power vacuum
Ghadaffi was killed - power vacuum

Who filled up the empty holes? ISIS

Remove Assad and you create another power vacuum. Get your head out of uncle Sams ass

>>29344331
>Remove Assad and you create another power vacuum. Get your head out of uncle Sams ass
Lol who the fuck said I had an Ameriboner, I'm just pointing out how your duality world view is idiotic. Just because I don't like what the bears are doing doesn't mean I kiss American ass and vice versa.

>There's no such thing as moderate.
See, my point is that your ideas of what constitute the political sphere is based on Western ideals and doesn't apply to the Middle East. But for the record, there is such a thing as the moderates they just have less power because they get squashed by either extremes that are supported by foreign powers (with some of these powers basing their policies on simplistic dualistic world views). And mainly being funded by greed and a hunger for power.

You're all retarded and you make things worse.

>>29344355
But you do realise there's a clear connection between removing a leader/de-stabalising an area and the rise of any Islamic extremist group?

Because that's what I'm getting at

>>29344355

Define moderate
Define extreme

>>29344309
Sorry.

What is the basis of your opposition to Assad in the political sense?

>>29344384
Well clearly, because there are forces in play

>>29344441
Moderate? In what way? According to American foreign policy, I'm guessing a moderate is anyone who is tolerant of American power or who actively supports them.

Extreme? Well damn, Assad's Baath party is an extreme "right"-wing party. In Lebanon, let us take an example. The SSNP are the Syrian Socialist Nationalist Party, the entire party is essentially facist and modeled after the Nazis and is another pan-Arabist (well more Levantine) movement. However, one of their allies is Hezballah (political party), which is a religious Shiite organization and doesn't go in line with their political ideologies. What about the Communist Party? Which can be considered left-wing yet is allied to both of the aforementioned parties.

You see, this entire spectrum doesn't work. With the exception of hard-line takfiris, but even they know how to play this game.
Loyalty is based on power, leading characters, and sectarian ties not political ideologies.

But an ideal political party is one that bases itself around its political goals that would affect the average ahmad and ahmad would vote accordingly. Unfortunately the power base is not in the hands of the people, but the ones pulling the strings.

It is hard for me to answer a question like this. But no, Assad is no moderate and he only has his own interests at heart. Even if you define a moderate as one being in line with American foreign policy, then he is far from it.

>>29344384
That connection is usually the CIA.

>>29344517
Mate, its hard to explain other than the usual. But as a Lebanese, I can tell you. How would you feel if you lived in a small country, and a bigger country comes in and sends their army and their spies to keep your country hostage (1976-2005)? They assassinate your politicians and journalists (like they did in 2005-2008, and previous years). They fund militias that act like gangsters on your streets (SSNP and Amal). I know people who've had run ins with them, one who was kidnapped and questioned by the SSNP (he is an American citizen by the way). They fund a specific para-military group for their own needs that works to subvert your own nation's sovereignty on every level. These groups who are illegal work in tandem with bought off politicians in the government. You are silenced, your vote means nothing. Your problems, the lack of electricity, the garbage, the corruption is all pushed aside. And if you keep questioning you will be in deep shit. They outwardly hire "politicians" (like prostitutes), that even goes so far that one of them would say on TV that "Lebanon will not have a president that Assad does not approve of". You can survive if you just put your head down and follow, but if you ever go out of line your entire family is gone. Imagine the atmosphere of fear, you have eyes everywhere. You go home and complain about a shitty and corrupt system, you even have cases of your family turning against you. Hell, if 4chan wasn't an anonymous board I wouldn't be typing any of this.

In this system people are cattle, if they don't follow the mainstream they are good as nothing.

I mean this doesn't even begin to explain the absolute shit of it all, the only way you can learn is if you see it face to face.

>>29344384
And continuing on >>29344611, I know the people. The average people, the ones who work 9 to 5 jobs to feed their families, college students who go to learn and educate themselves, cab drivers, pharmacists, musicians, artists, workers. They all feel the same deep down, they just want to live their lives but they are pushed to extremes. I remember at the beginning of the war meeting many people who were finally happy to have a voice against their previous oppression, they wanted change. They wanted political freedom, to have political accountability. But they were pushed to extremes, thanks in no small part to Assad, to Russia, to Iran, to Saudi Arabia, to Qatar, to America, and so on. There was a glimpse of it, but it disappeared because all of the parties pushed the war to 11. And in extreme situations, only extreme ideas thrive.

>>29344611
Because the alternative to Assad is ISIS? Why the fuck is it so hard to contemplate that your family that lives in the region would rather live under Assad than Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi and his headchopping loons? Sure, it sucks, but isn't it at the end of the day the fucking fault of the Turks and the Saudis for supporting the nutjobs? And how would it be any better for Assad to fall to them even just in terms of power, because you better believe that if ISIS takes over Syria they are headed into Lebanon and ISIS takes their orders from Riyadh.

>>29340394
I for one am anti-IS, anti Assad, but some what pro-Russia slavaboo. Don't like the fact that the Russians helped Assad-Iran-Hezbollah kill moderate FSA units who are just anti Assad.

FSA were supposed to be Zionist controlled (friendly to USA and Israel). fuck the left wing nationalist rag head movements.

>>29344187
So are you USMC or US army infantry?

god bless you sir

>>29344331
no we need friendly right wing zionist dictators,
gotta make more Mubarak clones.

LONG LIVE MUBARAK

rot in hell Gaddaffi, S. Hussein, Arafat, OBL,

Satan is calling for you in hell Assad.

>>29344331
Kurds seem moderate and doing a good job of taking out ISIS, Al-Nusra, Al queda in both Syria and Iraq.

>>29344650
>>29345062
So why can't Libya, Iraq, and Syria become like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey which are all US "moderate muslim" allies. Approved by Israel? Im not sure of though.

>>29344611
Look man, I hear you. I don't support Assad. I'm just shit posting on /k/. I am familiar with the history of Lebanese-Syrian relations, and I know the repressive nature of assad's regime, though obviously not anywhere near to the extent you do.

Normally the political conversation here isn't worthy of more than shitposting, but I am genuinely curious to know where you come from in your opposition to Assad and what you would promote as an alternative?

>>29345271
Because Libya, Iraq, and Syria oppose Israel's continued expansionism and apartheid, and thats a no-no. Plus they arent extremists like the Saudis, who demand license to export their brand of insanity to every country under their sway. All my relatives in Syria and Lebanon say that its worse than ever. Women cant go outside without hijab anymore. Fuck dood my grams used to not wear anything but dresses and now the girls have to basically burqa up for those wahhabist nuts, who are backed principally by the sauds and turks. Look how bad shit is in turkey, they are going the way of Pakistan in terms of ideology. And none of our allies are moderate, they are in fact the crazies. They are literally the people we fought against in Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>29346527
Me again, forgot to add something. I totally feel for the original Syrian Army contingent that rebelled. They got hype by the Arab spring and its not fair that the revolution was hijacked by ISIS. But the hijacking of the rebellion and indeed the most of arab spring wasn't anything but a ploy by the sauds and turks to implement american "regime change", and they got duped. So yeah, I totally would like to see a reformed Syrian government, but lets face it it aint gonna happen. The military in Syria has been doing an amazing job hanging together throughout the insurgency and after all this and if anything the FSA and the rebellion may have just killed any real hope for reform, giving some serious credence to Assad's justification that any change will be taken as weakness and lead to a war sponsored by the west, which is exactly what happened.

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The Prince of Saudi Arabia speaks on the issue of ISIS and Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45AL3Zswn2w

HRH Navy Captain (Ret.) Prince Sultan bin Khalid Al-Faisal Al Sa’ud, former commander of the Royal Saudi Naval Forces (RSNF) Counter-Insurgency Special Operations Task Force and a graduate of the US Navy SEAL program and US Army Special Forces Qualification Course

>>29345628
Hey, late response. But where does my opposition come from? Well all if that, and the humiliation one has to face in their own country at the hands of the regime. I see so much potential here, and in Syria, that is being annihilated in the name of this political bullcrap. Having memories of Syrian checkpoints and soldiers roaming the capital city, assassinating our prime minister, causing unrest and violence, having their gangs roam around my neighborhood (the SSNP), always being told to shut up and fall in line. Hearing and seeing the violence and dirty underworld of it all. How can one be okay with that? As for an alternative, well if I want to keep it simple here it is: Get the fuck out of my country, all of you ISIS, Israel, Syria, everyone.

>>29346527
what apartheid and expansionism.

Israel's not sending troops to invade its neighbors.

How about Jordan?

Why is Turkey(muslim, mid eastern but yes I know they are Turks and not Arabs, just like Iranians are Persians and not Arabs but still mostly muslim) going downhill, besides that Erogan douche.

>>29346690
I meant what sort of political alternative do you propose?

If not pan-Levantine nationalism of the SSNP/Syrian Baathists, and not salafism, then what? Hezbollah? Liberal democracy? Socialism?

It goes without saying that Lebanon should be free to determine her own future, without the interference of any other country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXmv2pskP_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMblmN89XUg

CANT HANDLE THIS FUCKING SWAG.

>>29346604
who cares what saudi thinks, it can't win anything.

>>29346747
For Lebanon, secular nationalism. I imagine Syria is going to go through deep sectarian divides too. Any form of fair democracy with numerous politically based parties (non feudal and non sectarian) being part of the system. It's just a real mess to fix this whole issue, I dunno where to start. And it's getting late, I should get some sleep.

>>29340158
>white race
>Ctrf+F
>1 of 1 found
only one shitposter bringing that to the table...

>>29346705
Well they do routinely annex land, and they kinda ghettoize the territories and don't allow water in and stuff. And then there is that thing with the mass prison system and indefinite detention. Also proclaiming that you are a theocratic state intended for a specific race...

Jordan is a literally who tier country without a population and is really just a puppet regime. It's only significant contribution to the crisis in the region is being an empty shithole that insurgents are using as a staging ground, protected by the sovereignty of the nation from Russian or Syrian attack.

Turkey is hanging out with a bad crowd. Look at what happened to Pakistan. Same thing. They hung out with the Saudi Wahabbis and got too pally and friendly, and they became extremist psychos. They bought into the saudi nuttery and now they are dreaming up an empire and invasions, shooting down russian planes, funding isis. Now they are reaping the rewards, in the form of ISIS bombings in their own country. So now they have to swing harder right , or the "friends" they just let into their country come for their head. Same thing happened to Pakistan after USSR left Afghanistan. You have to become radical to survive in the new radical world you helped create.