Invading S̶o̶v̶i̶e̶t̶ ̶R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶ modern day Russia

>>29319462
>What would it take to invade Russia?
An incredible amount of stupidity.

>>29319462
A couple nuclear warheads aimed at military installations and large population centers

/thread

>>29319462
What is Russian winters for $500

there is no reason to invade russia. what do you think you're going to find there?

>>29319578
AIDS

>>29319618
REKD.

Wait till the polar ice caps melt cuz otherwise, its impossible.

>>29319578
That shithole has about 1/3 of world's natural resource (worth almost USD 76 trillion).

In fact, why shouldn't we invade russia?

>>29319875
See:
>>29319618

>>29319875
Because world powers can only shit and boast themselves on 3rd world shit holes.

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>>29319462
>What size of force would it take to invade and hold Russia?
Full mobilized NATO forces will be enough. Biggest problem - they will never let NATO mobilize and concentrate dangerous amount of forces near their borders.

>>29319543
Is this still a thing with modern logistics and air power?

>>29320225
Yes, because you need different classes of everything from jet fuel to windshield washer fluid

>>29320218
>Biggest problem - they will never let NATO mobilize and concentrate dangerous amount of forces near their borders.
if there's anybody who wont let all NATO members fully mobilize it will be their own citizens

>>29320269
Nice joke, bro.

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>>29319462
Hey there.
Russian here.
Please don't invade us.
Thank you.

>>29320269
le ebic Europeans are all muslamic cuckistanis joke

>>29320292
>>29320342
>le ebic Europeans are all muslamic cuckistanis joke
i hate that meme and it was not what i meant
i was refering to the fact that even when it is painstakingly clear that Russia is behind the shitfest we see in Ukraine these days, people still dont want to see military intervention of any form
hell, even when MH370 was shot down people were arguing against blaming the russians in fear of upsetting Putin and invoke sanctions

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>>29320362
>people were arguing against blaming the russians
Yeah, right.
inb4 Ukrainians did it.

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>>29320414
>yfw our propaganda keeps hinting that the "West" (i.e. USA and EU) was sponsoring honest to god nazis in Ukraine to start the revolt
I mean I get the need for propaganda when waging even a small scale war, but that is some conspiracy theory shit.

>>29320414
Many people in Europe hate their media for being such a piece of shit and writing anything that hurts Russias reputation, no matter what. They didn't even have evidence.
Also
>inb4 media and citizens are the same thing

>>29319529
Without repercussions?

>>29320218
T72 gets an erection...

>>29320414
That guy has my dream job

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>>29320253
No.

>>29319462
Why invade? Just let the kleptocracy keep them a paper tiger.

>>29319462
Our government gives out anything in a blink of an eye if any of our western "partners" just ask.
So you will need to have some really big problems in your own local politics to war with this to cover up your shit with big and loud war.

>>29319875
Because Canada exists and doesn't have nukes.

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Ok faggots, lets do it
CODENAME: UNTHINKABLE INTERVENTION
>9th May 2016
>Victory Parade in Moscow
>an Army coup went terribly, terribly wrong
>And mere 1,5 MT theromonuclear device goes off near the Red Square
>both yield and time of explosion are unforeseen
>instead of removing only putin and few thousands vatniks
>conspirators removed head of the state, parliament, internal security, Army top brass
>removed themselves, honored guests, all the existing Armata prototypes :^)
>both loyalist and rebel forces jump to each other throat
>while units of Western Army District start shelling neighbouring countries
>the ICBMs are safe for now, no live men got the launch codes... yet
>various militias and plain old mafia roam freely
>Siberia just declared independence; no one cares
>Chicoms are preparing to moving in
>Kadyrov Chechens just shoot anyone in sight

tl;dr
>Russia a failed state in bloody civil war

1) Secure WMD
2) Defeat minor invading forces in Georgia, Baltic States, Finland and ukraine
3) Pacify major combatants as well as rogue troops
4) Slap Chicoms
5) Restore order under the UN receivership administration
6) Get a slice of that Siberia pie, maybe?

>>29319543
>>29320253
Russia isn't even that cold. Moscow and St Petersburg are no colder than Minnesota or New Hampshire and Volgograd/Stalingrad has pretty mild weather and temperatures.

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>>29320835
>>the ICBMs are safe for now, no live men got the launch codes... yet
BS.
>Russia a failed state in bloody civil war
No, because Russia will be ruled by empress.

>>29319521
/thread

>>29320437
Britbong in Tejas here, is it really so hard to believe?

>>29320888
>what is suspension of disbelief

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>>29320904
You just gay and don't want to be in state ruled by best prosecutor in the world.
If serious, Russia is federation. In case of magical teleportation of all high command, there is Belorussian high command who can take control, because Russia and Belarus is union state.
Amount of Russian police is extraordinary. Russian MVD has their own pretty well equipped army - Internal troops. You see, Russia already was on edge of "failed state" status in 1996. Lesson learned.

>>29319875
First you need to define 'we'. I have a persistent suspicion there are 3,5 same baltshits and or polish turbovorgins behind every thread like this.

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>>29319462
Too big
Too many nukes
Too many enemy combatants
Patriotic populace
Not worth it at all

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>>29320955
Fortunately; Russia has a long tradition of murdering the Imperators.
Tsar - murdered by Lenin
Lenin- murdered by Stalin
Stalin- murdered by Beria

What I propose is the most feasible way to create SHTF scenario for Russia. And I am not even original, just recreating major plots from Russian-Soviet civil war.
Why don't You join the ride instead of memeing some slav aidsu?

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>>29320888
Is she gonna die while fucking with arab stallion; like the last empress - Catherina the Great?

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>>29319462
Let's be honest: no. If Russia has proven something in its history, that with all internal struggle, with all insurgencies and power-mad lords/generals/secret service - once a common enemy enters Russia, they will defend it to the death.

It was not the Russian winter that stopped Hitler or Napoleon, it was the russian stubbornness. After having 13 armies destroyed in two weeks, after having lost their capital, after mass defections, they were still fighting a partisan war, they were still fighting in their organized army, they still didn't plan to negotiate for peace, they fought a total war centuries before Goebbels was even born.

You think Afghanistan and Vietnam was bad? The partisans alone would stop any US ground troops. What are you going to do? Nuke the fucking forests? Go full Nazi-mode and genocide every living soul? Outside of the southern plains, it has so much land, so many mountains, so many forests, there will be no hope of controlling the territory. And if some army would through some miracle reach Moscow with intact supply lines (protip: it won't), they will burn it to the ground again.

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>>29321051
>Lenin- murdered by Stalin
>Stalin- murdered by Beria

>>29320879
Dude, except the last couple years Minnesota winters can be murderous. They combine a high humidity level with brutal windchill levels that get down to -20f ambient easily. We sit right in an area that brings arctic air via the jet stream.

>>29319462

There's like a hundred Washington agents in modern Russia, tons of foreign correspondents, business men, special interest groups, career politicians, nationalists that are just waiting for the US to say the word.

The only reason the US hasn't dominated Russia is because they need to milk the "Russia threat" more. And when that well dries, then they'll plunder Russia... again.

Completely subdue it so they can move onto China like in a decade.

Russia is already conquered. It's just a ticking clock now.

>>29321131
hey look, during Operation Barbarossa Russians surrendered and deserted on a unprecedented scale. If it wasn't for idiot Nazi racist policy; the 1 400 000men Vlasov Army would tip the scale on Eastern Front. Also puppet state instead of occupied territory would be helluva easier to maintain.
Vlasov > Zhukov
but back on topic

Were talking about coalition sized forces. And the invasion would be logistically mindboggling.

the first thing you want to do is freeze all foriegn assets. Administratively Destroy their offshore oil supply chain, stop incoming commerce (food, medicine etc), freeze bank accounts, ruin their credit rating. Do the same for any nations helping them.

secondly you go foriegn internal offense. The CIA and Army ODA edition. You'd need an administrative fifth column in nearly every vestige of martial and gubernatorial power. The poinnt would be to sew bureaucratic discord into every policy and every action possible. Redirect shipments, lose inventory, let land lie fallow so to speak, misappropriate and reappropriate assets to ineffective locations.

The next step would be more siege than invasion. Naval Blockade and bombing runs. There are no major roadways or water ways that they control into/out of Russia that we dont know about. Control those through sea and air power. A nation that large could not produce what it needed in time to make a difference. And it wont survive on the mule train.

Just when they begin rationing, start planting disease carriers in major metropolitan areas. Especially ports and military centers. Something viral, not bacterial.

Start the invasion as the country slips into the cusp of third worldism. Standard order of operations. Air and naval fire destroy missle defense systems, strike aircraft destroy AA emplacements and soften infrastructure. Airborne units capture major airports,while amphibious units start sabotaging naval and sub bases. Eventually the threat of an external reprisal will diminish to nuclear subs, at which point the navy will just have to do their anti sub thing and hope for the best.

The ground campaign would be mostly armor oriented. Destroy infrastructure, capture food stores, kill people. disrupt command and control kinetically and electronically.

Come in from the ports, not the urals.

>>29321297
dont fight through the winter, let them starve and sicken under blockade through the wintern and early spring. Assault when the thaw is complete. Occupy what you have through the next winter

Dude, I have no idea who you are but I feel like you should be elected. Anon 2016!

Dont forget that once that's all said and done, invest as much as we can into rebuilding the infrastructure, educating the children, and making the country a better place than we found it. We did that with Japan following WW2, and they turned out to be our greatest ally. A US-Russia best friendships would let us move to conquering other foes, like China.

>>29320437
>>29320899
Millennium?

>>29319875
So why is Russia so fucking poor then?

>>29321198
This.

>>29321131
what are you on m8 the Ruskies don't care as long as they get left alone.

>>29321490
A lot of those natural resources are in such desolate, remote, hard to reach places that they simply can't afford both the infrastructure to reach them and the cost of defending the world's longest land border. A culture of theft and looking out for number one doesn't help anything either.

>>29321546
1812 and 1941 beg to differ.

>>29321490
Because it's populated by russians. Without ressources it would be literal 3rd world tier.

>>29319462
Embolden the Mongols.
Maybe that'll do it.

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>>29321131

Ivan, please.

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>>29321297
>>29321321
What if we just bomb Chechnya?

>>29319521
Pretty much /thread

>>29321297
>The poinnt would be to sew bureaucratic discord into every policy and every action possible. Redirect shipments, lose inventory, let land lie fallow so to speak, misappropriate and reappropriate assets to ineffective locations.

Russians are already at it.

>>29321100
What's with all the salt, Abraham Gaycoln?

>>29319529
>large population centers
So this is what modern combat became? Just bombing the cities full of civilians?

>>29321917
oh sorry. was it a pony?

>>29319543
The winter of 1942 was very bad even the standards of Russian winters back then. There was far fewer roads then also, and rail lines are very easy to destroy.

Add to this that now days we have much better cold weather gear, winter testing for weapon systems and vehicles, and a global temperature that is .5 C degrees hotter Russian winter is not as bad as it was in the 1940s to try to fight in.

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>>29322026
Nigga what?
That what conventional warfare has ALWAYS been.

Why invade Russia? This is crumbling on it's own.

>>29319462
Why even bother?
Its not worth the lives to invade some shitty Slav land. Just starve em out.

NATO has superior naval and aerial superiority. Just blockade the entire country. Invoke the biggest no fly zone mankind has ever seen over Russia and cause internal unrest.

The best way to win a war is by not having to fight it.

>>29323074
Fuck you, I want a Russian AK and a chance to shoot at Chechnyans.

>>29320437
How's that a conspiracy theory though? Makes sense to me.sponsor the rebels to get a pro Russian ukraine out of the picture.

>>29319521
>>29319543
>muh memes
Get a clue. "Unconquerable Russia" has about as much reality to as it "Afghanistan, Graveyard of Empires", ie none.

>>29323416
Successful invaders of Russia proper:

>Indo-Europeans invaded and colonized Southern Russia from Ukraine/Kazakhstan
>Slavs invaded from the West, kicking out and/or assimilating Finnish people
>Iranian horse-niggers like the Budinian Scyths dominated the region for a long time, demanding grain tribute from the settled population
>various kinds of T*rk invade in a series of waves - Huns, Avars, Pechenegs, I forgot what else
>Slavs continue their invasion, expanding into what is now Northern Russia
>Varangians insert themselves into the region via riverine trade, end up becoming a dominant polity
>Mongols
>Timur's punitive expedition against Tokhtamish
>Polish expedition to Moscow

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>>29322026
You must be new...

We have done it at least since first world war and just for moral impact.

Russia is easy to invade but difficult to conquer. The same open fields and flat terrain that invite invasion bring the poisonous pill of large distances and empty territory that overtaxes the supply lines. Russia's traditional strategy is winning time in exchange of distances. The deeper you get, the longer the supply lines get, while theirs get shorter.

>>29323677
Correct. The Timur-Tokhtamish war is an example: Timur knew he didn't have the resources or desire to actually conquer the Golden Horde - he simply wrecked them and killed their Khan, leading to decades of political weakness

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>>29323074
>the biggest no fly zone mankind has ever seen over Russia
Yeah, for clapburger air "force".

>>29324967
>implying that'd be more that a minor speed bump to the US Air Force

>>29325372
>fail-force

>>29326322
Russian IADS has been tested and failed repeadetly against the US Air Force. Just having more doesn't make a difference, Vatnik.

>>29325372
It will be a major speed boost for clapburger air "force" on its way to crashing straight into the ground.
>>29326894
Best air defence clapburger air "force" has ever faced consisted of rusted shit from 50s. Clapburger air "force" managed to lose hurdurr stealth to it. Russian IADS is space magic for dumbfuckistanian amerilards who still play with that lone cardboard mock-up of the basic S-300P and to this day can't figure out how to make a self-propelled SAM system without antique angled launchers that take half an hour to prepare.

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>>29321297
>the first thing you want to do is freeze all foreign assets. Administratively Destroy their offshore oil supply chain, stop incoming commerce (food, medicine etc), freeze bank accounts, ruin their credit rating. Do the same for any nations helping them.
It will ruin worlds economy, especially European. You can't do same with China, because it's worlds biggest economy. Stopping incoming commence will bring USSR 2.0 to live. That's not something you want, because administrative economy multiplied by modern network technologies and high-performance computers will be scary thing.

>You'd need an administrative fifth column in nearly every vestige of martial and gubernatorial power.
It will be very damn hard, ask Nemzov. He was gubernatorial power once.

>Naval Blockade and bombing runs.
1. Open map and look for their sea borders. What are you gonna blockade and with what assets? Northern fleet can blockade YOU, Pacific fleet is out of NATO zone of control, Baltic and Black sea fleets controls their own seas and can execute missile strikes from without leaving their area.
2. You have no legal reasons to do this without starting hot phase.
>it wont survive on the mule train.
They use railroads.

>start planting disease carriers in major metropolitan areas.
This is game for two players. Also they can knock out your teeth with cyberwarfare. Since they are cut off from international market, there is no reason for not throwing it down. Alongside with electrical system and mobile networks.

Bombing runs against worlds most advanced integrated air defense system? Good luck, they control airspace to British islands with OTH radars. You shut it down completely with numerical superiority or you don't touch it. Nothing in between. And any attempts to concentrate such numerical superiority will lead to Russian preemptive strike.

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>>29327285
>Best air defence clapburger air "force" has ever faced consisted of rusted shit from 50s. Clapburger air "force" managed to lose hurdurr stealth to it. Russian IADS is space magic for dumbfuckistanian amerilards who still play with that lone cardboard mock-up of the basic S-300P and to this day can't figure out how to make a self-propelled SAM system without antique angled launchers that take half an hour to prepare.
Fucking wow man. Iraq basically had the top of the line and got steamrolled. Twice. That one Stealth shoot-down was a huge combination of complacency on the planning and crew and sheer luck and balls on the battery side. If that's all you can come up with to defend your fundamentally flawed doctrine you're gonna have a bad time.

>>29327355
>Dumbfuckistanian clapburger amerilards still believe SA-3 was top of the line in 1991, let alone later
>They are this brainwashed
Lol. Dumbfuckistanian clapburger amerilard, please.

>>29327312
>Bombing runs against worlds most advanced integrated air defense system?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Diameter_Bomb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_%28missile%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

IADS is a fundamentally flawed strategy to base air defenses on, and you can't build anything to match western fighters. Much less detect the 5th Gen replacement for the F-16, F/A-18, and AV-8B.

what is worth taking in Russia? nothing. place is a shithole.

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>>29327391
>Has no defense about Russian doctrine and equipment being shit
>Goes into full damage control ad hominem mode

>>29327399
Tunguska, Tor, Buk, Pantsir, Morfey, Vityaz, S-300, S-400, S-500. SEAD is a fundamentally flawed strategy to base air superiority on and you can't build anything to match Russian SAM systems. Get #rekt, clapburger.

>>29327412
>Has no argument about SA-3 not being a rusted piece of shit from 50s
>Proceeds with combat pictures
Lol, mad brainwashed dumbfuckistanian clapburger amerilard.

Attack Russia from both directions in the late spring, with the bulk of the attack forcing Russia to move towards Europe not Asia.

None of this Russian winter shit. And destroy Russia's factories early, or they'll dissemble them them and move them East like in WWII.

Trick Russia into committing offenses at the wrong times.

>>29327471
>Tunguska, Tor, Buk, Pantsir, Morfey, Vityaz, S-300, S-400, S-500. SEAD is a fundamentally flawed strategy to base air superiority on and you can't build anything to match Russian SAM systems. Get #rekt, clapburger.
See, here's the thing: we have history backing up the fact that SEAD DOES in fact work, that the Roll-Back strategy DOES in fact demolish IADS systems and clear the skies so we can operate with impunity, and that your vaunted air defense systems are completely worthless in protecting airspace against anything but passenger liners and are nothing but expensive practice targets.

>>29327503
>Its most fundamental flaw, however, was not the mixture of French and Soviet sensors, missiles, aircraft, and artillery, but that its command and control was cut from the fairly rigid Soviet model, and made even more rigid to suit the personality of Saddam Hussein and his immediate circle. France and NATO often put their best pilots, most likely to improvise, into air defense, but Iraq wanted to control them tightly.
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Gulf_War,_Iraqi_integrated_air_defense_system

If anything they had a better system than pure Soviet, but they still followed Soviet doctrine.

>>29327733
You only have history backing up that SEAD does work against rusted pieces of shit from 50s. Not without losses of course, but it is at least safe to assume clapburger air "force" is semi-capable to deal with SA-3.
>B-but m-muh Iraqi IADS very-very stronk, is major USA"F" victory!
No, clapburger. You can keep saying Arab operated SA-3's complemented "top of the line" IADS in 1991, but reality don't care about the degree to which people of your kind are brainwashed.

>>29327897
>SA-6, 8, and 9, 1980s+ systems were in use
>French instead of garbage Russian control and sensor systems
>You're still this mad that IADS sucks

>>29327897
who has a decade and a half of implementing their systems in modern warfare and who doesnt?

>>29327897

>Clapburger

cringed

why do euro*eans even come to this board?

>>29327927
>SA-3 was the only long range SAM system
>Short range shit from 60s at the times when Tor and Buk-M1 were already in use
>Clapburger is still brainwashed
>>29327980
Who has zero experience implementing their systems against an enemy armed with anything better than SA-3?
>>29328035
Why do burgers even clap?

>>29328145
So, the medium range brand new stuff that was just as ineffective doesn't count? Good to know you live in a fantasy land where only the long-range missiles in an IADS count.

>>29328145
you need to get off the internet for a while

>>29327733
>was built by the French defense contractor
And half of that system was turned off by same French defense contractor, yeah.
>roughly 7,000 SAMs
Well, that is BS unless they counted manpads
>300 S-75 and S-125
>114 "SA-6"
>80 "SA-8"
>60 "SA-13 "
>100 "Roland"
And now take your calculator. To defeat outdated Iraqi air defense who had almost zero involvement of air support and unknown level of operation readiness, coalition concentrated 2,250 planes.
654 SAM + 75 mirage F1 + 33 Mig-25 + 41 Mig-29 = 803. We don't count mig-21 and other shit
2250/803=2.8 planes per one target. And now count how many planes you need to suppress and kill AA of Western military districs only (without Belorussia anв South) when army component alone has over 400 SAMs. Without airspace forces. Who has around 800 fighters and more than 300 of them are brand new AND around 400 S400 launchers. Counting S300 and older stuff under their command is thankless job - there is so much of them, they counted in divisions. You need a lot of planes, really fucking a ot. And when you finish your preparation, they all will burn in nuclear or conventional fire, thanks to Islander missiles in Kaliningrad.

>>29328189
Tor and Buk-M1 was "the medium range brand new stuff", not fucking SA-9, lol. Good to know you live in a fantasy land where without good long-range SAM systems IADS work. Then again, clapburgers are brainwashed enough to believe SA-3 was "top of the line" in 1991.
>>29328350
You need to get off the burger for a while.

>>29328436
>>29328446
>Still trying to argue that IADS is relevant when dismantled by 1970s fighters

>>29328737
>Still do not understand what is numerical superiority

>>29328737
>Still trying to argue SA-3 was "top of the line" in 1991

>>29328910
We are building nearly 2500 F-35s just for the US, and another thousand for our allies. You're having trouble building 12 4.5 gen prototypes. You have about 1/3rd the Flanker-Es we have of F-22s, and we still have 400 more F-16s than you do base Flankers. Russia loses both in quantity and quality these days.

>>29329091
Russians will never face F-22 in combat. As for 2500 F-35 - 20 years ago you was "we are building 750 ATFs". As I said twice before - you can't concentrate this force. It doesn't matter how many F-16 and F-22s you have in California and Texas. They can't attack Russia from there.

>>29329091
>fail-35

>>29323074
>Just blockade 1/6 of Earth's surface
Splendid. But there's this issue of Russia's unrivaled omnipotence in the Arctic ocean and NATO's lack of countermeasures against modern AA and EW. Any suggestions for ground campaign? I'm genuinely mesmerized by the image of european and american whites being mass drafted to die in ostfront meatgrinder while Tyrone and Jamal are left to watch out for their wifes back home.

To keep it fun, let's totally disregard the fact that the entire western civilization is annihilated in radioactive ashes within first 24 hours of the standoff.

>>29324967
>Nachodka's air defence batteries cover the whole North Korea and most of the south.

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Nuclear deadman switch based missile launch.
Check mate.

>>29331351
>rustbucket

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I'm back
Once again please don't invade us
Surely we can unite against a common enemy like the muslim shitskins

>>29320225

Yes. Weather still exists

>>29329564
The delusions are real.

>>29319462
Burn the forests.

There are hundreds of thousands of square miles of woodland in Russia.

Burn it all down as you invade. The heat will melt the snow and warm your army. Set forest fires as far as the eye can see.

>>29319543
Why the fuck do you think the United States is pushing so hard to keep global warming going.

>>29321917
>Abraham Gaycoln
Lay off the krokodil, I can't believe you fucked up something so easy.
>gaylien
>gaysian
>gaymer

>>29330583
>Better than everything it replaces by a large margin
> Russians and Chinese still behind on stealth and avionics by decades
> those grapes would've been sour anyways

>>29328446
>burger
Have you ever had one? Or is dinner just borscht and vodka with a krokodil apertif?

>>29331398
ok

>>29319462
Ameribooism/russiabooism aside, successfuly invading and holding Russia is impossible.

1.Slavs are used to living in poverty so an economic blockade won't really scare them. They are also autarkic in terms of food/resources/basic necessities.

2. A no-fly zone is impossible to impose. The 250 or so stealth fighters aren't enough to cover the >10,000 km border and anything else (F-teen series/eurofighters etc.) will get massacred by the sheer number of SAMs Russia has.

3. Russia could pull off the attrition warfare meme from WWII again, since modern armies can't really replace >20% losses (since no conscription) and slavs could mobilize several million conscripts with subpar, but still acceptable weapon skills and equipment.

4. The moment Russia faces destruction/occupation nukes will fly and 1,000 warheads can pretty much destroy most NATO population centers and bases. Even if they don't MAD NATO and themselves, they could still drop several high-yield nukes in the stratosphere of the USA and Europe and EMP the fuck out of most civilian electric infrastructure, leading to crumbling of the homefront and thus, the invasion.

Also things like Novichok/VX and whatnot other biological and chemical agents could fuck up NATO very bad, if not the whole world along with it. Imagine weaponized airborne chicken flu/ebola/antrax fucking up 60-70% of the invading army.

5 .Even if Russia is occupied, irregulars would take an incredible toll on the invading forces, since most men have some military service and can handle guns, be organized in platoon/company-sized groups and follow orders. Think thens of thousands KIA/WIA every month from ambushes, IEDs, etc. Also note that slavs aren't as unorganized as hajis and would constantly pull off high level assasinations, complex raids, 9/11-tier terror attacks.

>>29328145
Pre gulf war Iraq had one of the most complicated IADS in existence, and it was decimated in hours.

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>>29321035
Gee, I wonder who is behind this post

>>29319462
you don't need to invade the,

just don't let them out

>>29332636
>The 250 or so Stealth fighters
187 F-22s
~180+ F-35s built so far
Enough planned to fully relieve the F-16, A-10, F/A-18C/D, and AV-8B fleets, at 2443 with no serious signs of Slash and Whine working this cycle.

>>29333679
>planned
That's what I mean. 300 fighters, considering losses to sabotage and occasional SAM hits, still aren't enough.

>>29335210
Here's the thing: We can dismantle existing IADS with B-2s and F-117s at the vanguard, which don't even have RWR systems. How is an IADS going to engage stealth fighters whose sensors and computers can automatically detect, ID, and map risk level ranges of those systems, and can engage them from 65+nmi? The F-35 is literally built to demolish IADS unimpeded.

>>29335210
>considering losses to sabotage
>to sabotage
By who? Nobody who can get close to US military jets is going to be the kind of person willing to do that shit.

>>29332879

>Pre gulf war Iraq had one of the most complicated IADS in existence

1) It was not nearly as sophisticated as russian/soviet IADS
2) It was manned by fucking arabs:

http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD_Issues/amdipl_17/articles/deatkine_arabs1.html

3) Iraq had no way to strike airbases and carriers from which the IADS aircraft were flying. Russia has a lot of options in this regard (ballistic and cruise missiles, airstrikes).

>>29337040
>1) It was not nearly as sophisticated as russian/soviet IADS
It had superior French C&C systems.
>2) It was manned by fucking arabs:
Running it under the exact same doctrinal methods the equipment forces because it's not like some conscripted farmer from Siberia is any better.
>3) Iraq had no way to strike airbases and carriers from which the IADS aircraft were flying. Russia has a lot of options in this regard (ballistic and cruise missiles, airstrikes).
They were pretty well equipped, up through Mig-29s, but US strategy, equipment, and training doesn't have the constraints of being ground-control focused. It was literally the litmus test for US Roll Back and deep strike Interdiction vs. Soviet IADS doctrines.

>>29338031
>It had superior French C&C systems.
And Frenches shut it down, dumb ass.

>>29338491
[citation needed]
Considering that Saddam locked down control harder than even Soviet standards rated, this is highly doubtful he'd have a system a foreign power could turn off by remote.

>>29321490
nothing more corrupt than a slav with power

>>29327355
yah top of the line monkey models

>>29338602
>yah top of the line monkey models

>Mad that Soviet doctrine was BTFO so hard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades

>>29319462
The Jews already own Russia.

Invade from both sides nigga hahahahaha like nigga it's literally that easy nigga.

Just invade from Europe and Invade from Japanese side,it's that easy

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>>29319462

Russia is already dead, the Reaganites destroyed the USSR and the Jewish oligarchs destroyed the economy. All America needs to to is kick open the door.

That being said, all it takes to defeat America is to subvert a few good men. This is what Russia is counting on.

>>29340630
Russia has nothing to offer.

>>29340630
>Jewish oligarchs destroyed the economy.
Fuck the what, /pol/? Following Stalinism eventually created constant shortages and pointless work, or garbage output to meet meaningless quotas. Then when the Union collapsed you went full Kleptocracy. Russians did all of that shit to their own economy.