Attack Helicopters

>>28701219
American Airlines Flight 11

United Airlines Flight 175

American Airlines Flight 77

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The original.

>>28701219
seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3O801sVuVo

pretty fucking awesome. these things are tough. I heard Egypt bought them.

I heard the Ka-52K has stubbier wings, Just like how the Hind got its stubbier wings but I forgot why, it's like Afghanistan and loitering. I forgot.

>>28701288
Egypt buying Russian instead of superior Chinese.

They are courting death.

>>28702031
Finish my iPad, Wang.

>>28701288
>I heard Egypt bought them.

Arab logistics and more toys for tyrant, also they already have superior Apaches.

>>28702026

Those wings provide lift.

>>28702031
The Mistral deal probably has something to do with it.

I identify as a Longbow

>>28702189
>Those wings provide lift.
Which means smaller wings is faster?

>>28702026
>>28702189
>>28702546

the hind's winds were long to enable it to do rolling take offs with a full load using it's underpowered engine. However, the wings were so large they negated some of the lift of the rotor by covering the area below too much. Making the wings smaller means the Hind has better vertical lift capacity.

they also saved weight by incorporating fixed landing gear at last.

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>>28701219
Space HIND

>>28701231
>>28701251
>>28701260
HAHAHAHA I got that! 9/11 right?! fuckin ameriboogers got btfo that day by a bunch of goat herders and they still call themselves the best of the world, TOPKEK.

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>>28701288
>Can perform any maintenance without support equipment or test sets.
Bullshit.

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Really? Nobody for the Comanche?

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A Hind-d? Colonel, what's a Russian gunship doing here?

>>28701219
>Ka-50.jpg
>Picture of a Ka-52
Triggered.

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>>28702031
>They are courting death.
if they wanted to court death, they would have bought Ospreys.

>>28706608
>Wasn't stealthy
>Wasn't fast
>Wasn't heavily armed enough
>Made obsolete by the shitty drones of 10 years ago

Can't say I blame them

>>28707631
Kids are too young to know what that is.

>>28701219
OP, that's a Ka-52, not a Ka-50.

Cockpit seats 2 side by side rather than 1. Also the wings on the Ka-50 look a bit different.

>>28707777
Was too expensive too
But now we're buying even more expensive helicopters so that doesn't make much sense either

Maybe they wanted to cancel it to make stealth choppers in secret.

>>28705230
get the fuck out.

>>28702546

No, if that was the case, they'd be red.

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>>28705230
>ameriboogers

Back to /pol/ with you

>>28702031
>superior chinese helos
>The Kamov design bureau was contracted to perform the development work under a secret contract. Kamov worked with the Chinese to establish base specifications, such as weight, speed and payload capacity after which they had full freedom to design the helicopter. Kamov designed, tested and verified the helicopter design, after which it was provided to the Chinese team.

>>28701219
Is the Ka-50 any good? How does it compare to an an Apache?

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>>28710510
The coaxial rotor makes it much more stable, but the original Ka-50 overtaxes its pilot by asking him to operate both the aircraft and the weapons and sensors. Also, that's a Ka-52 in the OP's pic, the two-pilot version

The US doesn't generally go for the coaxial rotor configuration, mainly due to the fact that the main rotor mast requires dark voodoo magic to keep in good working order, and thus renders most choppers in that configuration into glorified hangar queens.

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Joining Muhreens to be a pilot

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>>28701288

>5500m
>higher than any known heli

Video a lie. KA-52 a shit.

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>no ones posted mousecopter yet
gaze upon best attack helo
>>28710510
they are two completely different roles
AH64 is the US/NATO equivalent of the Mi-28
Something like the MH-60L DAP would be comparable to the Mi-24/25 if it's carrying capacity wasn't taken up by 7.62 and 30mm M230 ammo
the best comparison of Ka-50 is something like the Tiger HAD. Ka-50 has a limited training ability on its 2A24 30mm cannon as well, which dictates a different use case as opposed to the AH64
AH64D longbow can be compared to the Ka-52, as both have sophisticated radar suites and twin seats and function more as recon hunter/killers than frontline attack helicopters

Fun fact, the Ka in Ka-5x is pronounced "Kah," not "Kay-Ay"

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The Cheyenne. Could have been amazing but was killed by politics.

>>28707806
I can hear the French Horn

>>28707631
Noice
>Stringfellow Hawk

>>28707631
corporate helo?

>>28703067
This is wrong

The smaller wings mean it is stable when hovering

>>28712529
REEEEEEE

>>28712529
Nope. Only the baddest motherfucking chopper to ever dominate the skies during the 80s. That fucker could even take on planes. Had rocket thrusters too. Truly an incredible machine.

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>>28703067
All helicopters can use sliding/rolling takeoffs when power is insufficient for IGE hover. You don't need wings for it to work.

The wings are more for weapons carriage, and to relieve/circumvent some of the forward-speed limitations of rotor blades (in particular, by carrying some of the helicopter's weight, the rotor requires less collective-pitch in forward flight and thus retreating blade stall is delayed).
>However, the wings were so large they negated some of the lift of the rotor by covering the area below too much
I strongly doubt that is true to any significant degree. In hover, the majority of lift is produced along the edges of the rotor where rotor blade velocity is highest. You can actually stick your hand out of a helicopter in a hover and not feel any significant rotor wash near the fuselage.
>>28712560
What

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>>28706608
>>28707777
>>28709309
It was a cool aircraft to see up close and touch. If i remember correctly they only made 2. Or at least only had 2 built when I saw it.

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>>28710595
Who is that badass riding that thing and is this something that happens often?

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>>28713005

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>>28705230
>>28709595
>>28709390
you're better than this /k/

>>28711739

No shit. AH is just short for Attack Helicopter, it's basically an acronym.

While Ka and Su is short for Kamov/Sukhoi.

Doesn't everybody know that?

>>28707367
my first love as an 8 year old

>ha why does that look so retarded, silly fantastical japs
>that's what it actually looks like
>silly fantastical russians

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>>28701219
Zulu Cobra hands down.
Ka-52 is a close second though.

>>28710733
ur a shit fgt

>>28713163

The Ka-52 would be a contender if it didnt have a fixed forward cannon.

I get that its a fuckoff huge gun, but the flexibility given up by that is nowhere near worth the trade on a mobile platform like a helicopter. If you need to engage armor thats why you have ATGMs

>>28713005
It's to rescue/evac downed pilots/crew when that is their only option. They train for it but I have no idea how often it happens.

>>28701270
My nigga

>>28713269
>I get that its a fuckoff huge gun, but the flexibility given up by that is nowhere near worth the trade on a mobile platform like a helicopter. If you need to engage armor thats why you have ATGMs
it actually swivels for fine aiming- since its set upon the helo snuggly it fires ridiculously accurately.

>>28713507

>it fires ridiculously accurately

So does the apache's chin mount, but at a 320 more degrees. Again if you need to engage anything heavier than a truck, you have ATGMs

>>28713684
Does the AH-64 automatically adjust for target movement and does it have automatic target tracking?
If so, it might be comperable, if not the gun systems on the two are different enough to both warrant their existance.

>>28713684
>So does the apache's chin mount, but at a 320 more degrees. Again if you need to engage anything heavier than a truck, you have ATGMs
its not. spreads really wide compared to the 30 on the Ka-52. nothing unusual about this, just the fact that a fixed(but slightly swiveling) mount is more stable and transfers recoil much better to the rest of the helo than a turret mount ever could.

>>28713755
Hmm... it's hard to say. It's technically feasible that the M230's fire control computer could make all the necessary calculations based solely on tracking data from the Longbow radar, but I don't see any clear evidence that this capability is directly supported. The closest I can find is that TADS can be slaved to the radar so it points directly at a radar target, and that the M230 can (obviously) be slaved to the TADS - which would function effectively as an indirect approach to "automatic target tracking" but possibly without lead-compensation for moving targets.

>>28713684
This

Russia has shit designs, no wonder China supports American designs.

>>28713755
it adjusts as fast as the gunner's head can track it.

>>28713840
I remember reading it had a higher ROF and was more stable than the Apache or the Mi 24VP for that matter.

>>28714093
Everything you've written is legit as far as I know.
It's certainly possible and likely that the AH-64 automatically tracks, ranges and leads targets, it's just that I haven't seen anything that says outright that it does.

>>28714200
Direct HMS tracking isn't much help to anyone who wants to hit anything at the sort of ranges a helicopter needs to be engaging at not to be shot down by junk-fire.

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https://youtu.be/tNNs8rPmPO8

>>28710610
Prepare for mechanical bukkake.

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>>28702031
>superior Chinese
>suprerior
>chinese
u wot mate?

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>>28705230
>ameriboogers
its called americunt you silly willy

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The SuperHind gives me boners.

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>>28713074
They've only recently figured out how to make compound helicopters stable, and there's still going to be 10-15 years of bug-squashing before it's even ready

The YAH-56 could get into its harmonically resonant frequency just by a bit of pilot-induced oscilation, which is something that happens to everyone now and then, it had issues with rotor instability, it killed a test pilot, and by the time all the bugs were in the process of being squished the Army had moved on to the project that got us the Apache

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>>28702031
8/8 m8. Nice bites.

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>>28715145
>only recently figured out
>10-15 years of bug squashing

>implying they didn't already know to to make one because I mean fuck Kamov did it in the 80s
>10-15 years to sort out all the bugs
Good thing Sikorsky already made a coax/prop helicopter and tested it thoroughly. The Raider has already done hover and ground tests, it's not going to be more than 4-5 years before this it starts serious flight testing.

>>28715317
>>28715145
What is the point of the back prop?

>>28715397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX7zPlQjAr8

>>28712529
for the kiddies who are too young:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJkmY8CuE_g

>>28715397
Makes it fast. Google "advancing blade concept"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-69

>>28710595
The ka50 is a lot simpler. Its in no way overtaxing, especially with auto-pilot help.

>>28713005
There are some stories about medevac in iraq. Apache pilots volunteering to carry wounded troops in the helo while the gunner sat outside.

>>28713755
Jesus christ of course it does! Target stabilization had been around since the 70s! How do you think a su25t can keep a laser pointed at a truck 10km away while moving at 500kph? How do you think mavericks work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKoFGtvMo7g

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Sexy.

>>28715572
THAT is fucking heroic.

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>>28701270 Cobra vs Mongoose

>>28707393
What's the difference?

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>>28716400

>>28716428
That's the metalest thing I have seen today

>>28716465
glad to help

>>28705207
More like space Huey

Battlefield player here, how good is the little bird

>>28712410
kek yes

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>>28716404

Ka-50 has one pilot seated behind the other, where as the Ka-52 has them seated side by side.