So these are actually pretty shitty?

For a 12 year COIN operation, sure. Thats kinda moot though, because they were created to fight a "hot" cold war. Its like spending the better part of 50 years building a stock car in your garage and then getting upset that it under performs when you enter it in the WRC.

>>28471901
I thought were were transitioning these out?

>>28471901

Back in 2004 I rode a soft skin all the way from Baghdad to An Najaf with just me and a fuckface SFC who thought he was a Top

The thing didn't even have doors.

I came out fine.

>>28471901
>dat h2 alpha doe

They're great trucks, but shitty APCs.

They're neat.

We gave them to the ANA in Afghan while we rode in RG31S and MATVs.

>>28471901
They arent too bad, we had them while i was in kabul and they got the job done. Though i wouldnt want to drive them on a non asphalt road due to ieds

>>28472185

>humvees used to have cloth doors

Holy fuck, I actually forgot about this. They built these things to go to war?

Shitty at what?

>>28472337
It's almost like it's a light off-road utility transport and not a fighting vehicle.

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Semi-related, I wish that we could buy HiLuxes in Amurica. What the fuck is up with the stupid 'Egg/Light Truck tax?' Has anyone tried fighting that?

>>28471901
They are good general purpose and light movement vehicles.

They are fuckawful at being armored vehicles. The underside isn't built with the assumption of getting hit with IEDs. The 1114, 1151, and various other FRAG-phase kits make them suck. The armor is all bolted on steel meaning it is incredibly heavy while still only being mildly useful. The weight destroys the suspension and makes them difficult to drive up even mild slopes, forget about real off-roading. The interiors become extremely cramped and the doors aren't hydraulic, so getting out is a pain. Armored turrets on top take up even more room inside and make the whole package even heavier.

An armored humvee is a real shitshow. MaxxPros aren't great but are a straight step up when you want a medium armored vehicle still able to go off-road. MATVs are better, and stuff like JERRVs and Buffalos make for great heavier convoy vehicles.

>>28472337
They were designed as jeep replacements as utility and light movement vehicles. They work well for that, and the US still uses similar vehicles in roles when it needs light movement. They were never intended to be APCs. Actually most soft skin humvees I've been in didn't even bother attaching doors at all, in case you needed to bail out or do some real gangster shit with your rifle.

>>28472164
They are. It is extremely uncommon to see these used by the US in a deployed area. Almost everybody uses some form of purpose built armored vehicle.

They still get used in garrison a bit as utility trucks.

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>Be a terrorist
>Capture thousands of Humvee armored military trucks
>OTS commercial trucks are actually better for your transportation needs
>Only use you can think of for the shitty US vehicles is to make VBIEDs out of them

>>28472354
get a trd tacoma, close enough

>>28472464
>They were designed as jeep replacements as utility and light movement vehicles
I never understood the line of thought behind that. It's massive, costs a lot more that a M151, and isn't actually very spacious or powerful. Why don't use (a new version of the) jeep and light trucks instead ?

>>28472526
That was the replacement they went with. It was the "new jeep". You can nitpick and say why not this or that, but there is always going to be a trade off made.

It's somewhat modular, easy to repair, wide for a good center of gravity and it works well in a non-armored role.

The BEOD configuration had a decent amount of carry space, and any more than that and you move up to using a trailer or 5-ton.

>>28471942
>because they were created to fight a "hot" cold war.
rofl
Yea because fighting soviet light tanks in humvees is going to turn out well, right?

>>28472464
In my area there's a small NG depot, nothing but unarmored humvees and some sort of heavier truck. They've literally never been moved in the 23 years I've lived here, far as I've heard it. Obviously that's not literally true, but yeah.

>>28472526
Because the military wants to buy stuff from military contractors at "military quality", and 10 times the price

They should have just bought a commercial jeep or light truck.
Certainly the Humvee should not be going to war, there needs to be tracked armored supply vehicles.

>>28472638
Read the fucking thread, cockhole.

>>28472670
The marines and airborne use the humvee as a combat vehicle

>>28472515
Not diesel, not good enough.

>>28472354
Just buy a fuckin ranger. Stay away from the 3.0 and the truck will last forever

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>>28471901
These things were built as a multi-mission replacement to the CUCV with actual combat capabilities. How they were used and the environment with which they operated in were the problem. Truck is fine.

>>28472677
Using a truck with a pintle mounted gun as a ride to a good vehicle orp prior to dismounted movement does not a combat vehicle make. If there's any threat of contact on the route, you'd best believe the boys are walking.

>>28472686
>lrn2mechanic, faggot

swap in your own. i bet that ecoboost or whatever from the new fords is badass in a small truck. cummins is putting minidiesels in nissans next year. get a pre2005 duramax and fill it with literally anything. used motor oil, kerosene, vegetable oil, a little bit of diesel, whatever. its called black diesel, look it up son

>>28472715
M8, we learned in WW1 the problems of light infantry
You can bet your ass in a real fight they will be using it as armor

>>28472354
Protectionism is a bipartisan issue. Democrats hate free markets, and Republicans like the idea of sealing the borders and pretending our manufacturers are still as top notch as they were 60 years ago.

>>28472244
this desu senpai

>>28472703
>Stay away from the 3.0 and the truck will last forever

Now wait a goddamn minute here, I have an 06 ranger with the 3.0 and granted power and fuel economy are not great, but it's been reliable as fuck for 150k miles.

What's your gripe with the 3.0?

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>>28472638
>Yea because fighting soviet light tanks in humvees is going to turn out well, right?
I think so, even though I have no love for the humvee.

>>28472638
>Yea because fighting soviet light tanks in humvees is going to turn out well, right?

You are totally correct the humvee was designed to frontally engage Soviet afv. It was actually designed as a response to the Soviet t72. Although a little lighter armored, it had good mobility and the firepower of a spindle mounted m2 50 Cal made up for it.

>>28473114
ICBT's use humvees as combat vehicles
This is a fact
Everyone else uses BMD's or some other light armored vehicle

>>28472354
I've seen some Toyotas at the dealership with a J in the first letter of the VIN, so you 'can' get a Japanese built truck chassis in America. Dunno if its really the same as a hilux though.

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>>28473035
(not the dude you replied to)
I don't think these humvees are any good for traversing any temperate climate forests. They are kinda wide. It would be limited to forest roads while russian BMD's and MTLB's would have the freedom to mow down smaller trees while in forest.

USA needs smaller cars against russia.

>>28472686
Get a duramax Colorado. Close enough.

>>28473835
this is as close as you're gonna get til that cummins nissan comes out

>>28473768
I miss fall :c

>>28471901
06-07 you would see ten IA soldiers clowncar their way into a 1114 hand-me-down rather than ride in a Toyota if they had the chance.

Seriously it was not uncommon to see two-three guys just in the turret.

Would have I rather been in a Buffalo? Fuck yes! At that point though only EOD and CEs were getting them.

they weren't perfect, but I'm happy we had 1151s at that time instead of soft-skins like >>28472185

It can always be worse or better, it is all relative.

BTW the LRAS is awesome

>>28471901
uparmor are shit, soft tops are pretty ok trucks.
They shouldve just kept CUCVs

Terrible armored cars. No visual awareness for the driver. High center of gravity, especially with the turret.

But it has ac.

Really we needed to adopt an BMP but for what ever reason they developed the mrap and up armored the Humvee which is really only diesel for scouts and support roles. I think the 113 was the closest we had to troop transport discounting soft top lmtv/5tons

>>28473870
post yfw I've already gotten to drive the Cummins Titan

>>28472337
forgot? how the fuck do you forget?

>not riding around Afghanistan with the back rolled up and the doors in the bed
>being a faggot

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>>28474048

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>>28473006
>150,000 miles
>impressive in the slightest way

this isnt 1985 anymore, 60,000 miles dont make a high milage vehicle

>>28472708
Cuck V.

>>28474097
ive got 335k on my tahoe, come at me bruh

>>28474119
what yar?

>>28474137
2000, obs z71. bitch is a fucking tank

>>28471901
It's a decent truck. It's a shitty APC, which is what the army wants it to be.

Like how they want APCs to be tanks.

>>28474144
Coolio. That is a photo of my 96 silverado from about 5 seconds ago. longbed for life

>>28474163
gmt400 crew, thats what's up. i had a 96 Silverado long bed about 10 years ago. solid truck

>>28471901
>So these are actually pretty shitty?

They are if you believe the m113 "Gavin" nutjob that's been trying to get it to replace all wheeled vehicles:

http://www.combatreform.org/armoredhmmwvsstrykersfail.htm

>>28474175
mine is weird though. 305 mated to a 4l80e, Im assuming it was a special order. Seems off that theyd but the 4l80e behind the smaller v8, especially since they were rarely put on 350s.

My wife has a '90 454SS. its pretty neat

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>>28473768
Fulda gap is mostly fields, though.
Plus if the Cold War had continued, we would probably have seen more FAV upgrades for the places where the humvees couldn't go.

>>28474045
>BMP
Bruh, that's an IFV. Completely different role.
If you want an armored, tracked equivalent, the closest would be a MT-LB.

Or, if we look at successful not-frontline designs, the VAB or the VBL, amongst others.

>>28474268
dat 454 will be worth serious money if you take care of it. 4l80 was on tow package trucks a lot back then. if 2wd and base model, 305 isnt too weird. vortec 5.7 is superior in every way, but if it works, fuck it lol

>>28474300
oh for sure, the 305 offers nothing the 350 doesnt do better. Its a Silverado, not Cheyenne trash, so the 305 is out of place aswell.

She fucking smothers her truck. Everyone gives me shit since my wife beats me in a dick waving contest, but her truck is one step away from a fucking trailer queen. Mine on ther other hand gets used as proper /k/ommando would use his truck.

>>28474325
i'd buy it cash right now desu senpai

In conclusion, if its going to see combat, it needs to be tracked

>>28474337
Im not complaining, just saying. Her truck is a trophy.
Cool with me though, better than a wife who drives a Miata and thinks shes interesting because of it.

>>28474339
depends on your definition of combat.

fighting other MBTs? get a track.

fighting bullshit proxy wars against peasants like every battle since the Korean War? Wheels can get it done.

>>28474356
not gonna lie, I'd probably hit on your wife if i saw her driving a badass truck like that lol.
>L O N D O N
>O
>N
>D
>O
>N

>>28474379
The marines tried that wheeled meme, and they were 6 days late to baghdad.

>>28474387
she bought it after driving my truck to work for months. I drove her 07 Focus to base 30 miles away erday, compare that to her 4 mile trip to work. One day she comes at me saying she wants to trade her Focus for a 454SS because she liked my truck so much. I was down, only doenside was the our new most fuel effecient vehicle for me to drive to work was now ny truck getting 14mpg, hers getting a staggering 8-9mpg.

Had a Delsol that I fucking loved for about a month but blew it up. Sold for $500, only payed $700.

I drove one once, it was fun...lol.

>>28471901

They break constantly. Like, a frightening amount. If a civilian F-150 doesn't make it to 150,000 miles with an occasional oil change then suddenly Ford is the shitties truck company to ever shit out a truck. If a HMMWV makes it a month without something breaking, its nearly a miracle. But for some reason its acceptable to have an entire MOS dedicated to fixing wheeled vehicles and they can barely keep units at 100 percent.

They are exceptionally uncomfortable. The soft sided ones have shitty seats which are little more than a thin pad on a sheet of metal, the engine makes the passenger compartment into an oven, and in the cold there is no insulation and the heating can barely unfog a window let alone keep a person warm. The armored ones are alright, but a base model bare bones Ford Ranger from 1990 is more spacious and comfortable. On caveat, if the air conditioner breaks you will cook to death in an uparmored HMMWV.

They are incredibly loud, like, you are supposed to wear ear protection in the truck. Its a good thing these arent used in combat situations in which commands have to be relayed vocally (that was sarcasm, you have to yell to be heard)

IED resistance aside, which isn't great, they are just the shittiest trucks ever.

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Heaviest vehicle ever driven? (no trailer)

33T here

>>28474453
>confirmed for only dispatching vehicles for field exercises and never actually driving them for an extended period of time

motorpools are a mess, thats not really the trucks fault. I dont think its a great vehicle at all, but its not as bad as you make it seem

>>28474387
>del slow

i had an 03 focus, would never trade my tahoe for that gay shit,mpg be damned

>>28474753
never said it was delfast.
It was fun car though, targa tops are the shit but the roll down rear window is the best feature.
Plenty of jdm fagbois were begging me to do sweet mods but fuck all that. They were pissed that a racecar was "wasted" on me.

>>28474097
I fully expect to put 300k on my ranger's 3.0.

>>28474802
stock engine sucks, if you did a b18 or k20, it'd be a beast.

>please don't be midori green

They're alright as garrison and training vehicles, but not in active IED zones.

MRAPs and MATVs are really shitty for training and garrison because they are heavy, expensive to maintain and repair and have terrible cargo capacity and emergency evacuation capabilities

The HMMVW isn't going anywhere, this "transition" is fiction, no one has seen one of the supposed replacement JLTVs

>>28472244
They were intended as a replacement for the jeep.
There was no such thing as an armored jeep.

>>28474854
Civics are fun and all, a J swap would be neato, but I cant invest in a fwd. just cant

>>28472354
america has snow, salted roads, and humidity, the only thing toyotas are better at than being a technical is rusting

>>28474863
Any commercial truck would work just as well for peacetime activities
How is it suited for garrison? Lot of people have died in it due to IED's in iraq/afghanistan.

>>28474863
>MRAPs and MATVs

that is redudant, an MATV is a MRAP
also they are not replacing the HMMVW, the JLTV is

>>28474904
its sad really. I would kill for a Datsun 510 or 240Z, but would then anhero from fixing/fighting the rust

>>28474863
JLTV is only meant to replace armored humvees on the frontlines. It was never supposed to completely replace the whole fleet.

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How does the military get all its equipment to places like Iraq and Afghanistan? Do they take it by plane or boat to the country it needs to get to? And are vehicles then driven to whatever base they need to be at, or are they flown in?

Forgive my ignorance, sempais

>>28474497
980 metric tons here.
I drive boats.

>>28475109
Depends. During an invasion you're probably driving it in, maybe airdropping the lighter stuff. It comes from the nearest friendly base (in a Middle East invasion, that's Turkey, Kuwait, or UAE) that it has been flown into by plane. Smaller gear is all packed into shipping containers also taken by plane.

In an established place like Afghanistan or Iraq, it's flown in on big planes to the major airfields and then driven or flatbedded out to smaller posts.

Humvees and other lighter vehicles can be slingloaded to helicopters for relatively short distances, but they don't like dongling that in combat areas because it makes the helicopter very vulnerable. I have seen Chinooks slingloaded in stuff like generators, but they did it when there was the protection of more Apaches in the sky than sky.

>>28474497

Dunno if it weighs as much, but I used to drive a Cat 970F When I was working Public Works, and they weigh up to 35 tons with a bucket load.

>>28475109
By sea then by road.

Tens of thousands of vehicles are carried by ship. Sealift is the invisible juggernaut behind all US operations.

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>>28475863
Even tanks get flown in country, not driven. Ain't nobody driving no MATV into Bagram.

>>28474497
5.9 Tons, Bucher (now Mowag) Duro

>>28472185
I was there in 2004 with the Marines. Our first sergeant got one of our guys killed in Najaf by making him drive one of those unarmored humvees for an unnecessary reason (field chow as I recall), wasn't the first guy either, back in '99 he got a young 0331 real life killed (in my opinion) during training. Then best of all he got promoted to E-9 and retired as though he were a fucking hero. Makes me sick, he actually attended both funerals too, or did we want to have a discussion on shitty senior NCOs.

>>28476221
muhreens gonna muhreen
True heros get themselves killed in shitty unarmored vehicles
Only cowards drive tanks
baka

I spent most of a 2006 Iraq deployment in an 1151.
The crew space stops smallarms fine, but the engine is unarmored, so bullets through the radiator gonna fuck it up.

It got the job done. We were usually inside towns so IEDs weren't a problem - large blast mines weren't used by insurgents and EFPs would tear through heavier armor anyway.

They were faster than MRAPs, less rollover risk, and didn't get caught on the wires hanging everywhere.

I wouldn't want to drive logpacks in one tho. That's asking for it.

>>28474097
>Being so poor you have to worry about mileage.

Mega kek.

>>28474045
only up armors have AC

>>28474434

Now if only 'wheels' were the cause of Muhrines being late.

>>28476446
Humvees most certainly do have AC. It sucks on the soft skins, but they have it.

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>>28472354

TL:DR on Chicken tax

Yuropoor could get chicken shipped from 'Merica way cheaper than grown locally. Governments feared farms would go out of business then could only get chicken from the U.S. So they imposed a tariff to make the prices even or higher to save local farmers.

U.S. farmers pissed but LBJ didn't want to start a tradewar over something stupid, so he picked the most illogical thing to tax at the time --Volkswagen transporter-based pickups. Thus all trucks coming in the US now have a 25% tax.

>>28476848
they have a fan, they do not have air conditioning ya dumby.

>>28476364
>not the point at all

>>28475916
no, but some Afghan guy does deliver them. More than once I have seen a beat up Afghan Mercedes semi hauling 2 cougars or something similiar unot KAF

>>28474863
Ive seen the Oshkosh and Lockheed JLTVs being tested in Fort Stewart. I was excite, then I ETSed months later, bummed I didnt see more

>>28473635
j is for jew desu /pol/ack

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>>28474863
>no one has seen one of the supposed replacement JLTVs

They are not even in production yet.

>>28474497
18 Tons GVRW
It's wheels go round and round all through the town.

>>28479555
testers are out there

>>28472638
TOW > Anything the soviets could field

>>28474520

The drivers seat on a soft sided HMMWV has a spring system, they are ALRIGHT. The passenger seat is literally on top.of the battery compartment, a thin seat on top of the battery compartment.

I drove an HMMWV for two hours on rough shit terrain at 10 miles an hour, we needed to bring the E-7 sitting in the passenger seat to the rear lines for treatment die to the severe back pain he suffered from the ride.

A bare bones Ford Ranger, the cheapest one ever sold, would be better than and HMMWV ever sold and cost a fraction the price.

>>28471901
thats also NTC, Ft Irwin CA

>>28475916
More often than not they are taken by boat. That picture is from a training exercise. While they can fly shit like that they normally don't cause it's crazy expensive

>>28480656
Back during desert storm, I was a flight engineer on the old C141s. In the initial advance into Iraq, we air dropped a handful of tanks for the marines.

>>28474863
>no one has seen one of the supposed replacement JLTVs
Holy shit you are retarded.
Never been to Oshkosh before have ya?

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>>28480238
these seats aren't bad at all

>>28474097
Got 355k on a Chevy extended cab long bed 3/4 ton pickup with a 6.0L gas engine

>>28472754
Funny thing about all those lessons we "learned" we tend to forget them almost immediately after. I'd say the world in general is behaving a lot like WWII Germany with our obsession with expensive wonder weapons.

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>>28472354
Subaru got around this by mounting seats in the back of the Brat, making it taxed as a passenger vehicle

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>>28471901
>be me
>be at Minot AFB
>-40 outside
>in a fucking humvee
>fuck my life, no heat
>2 hours from base
>ran out of food hours ago
>get back after working 16
>"hey anon, we need more manpower, you need to be back in 7 hours.
mfw
welcome to the dream, just remember
nightmares are dreams too