How would you improve/modify the .22LR?????????

I would ban fudds from being able to hoard it

Ruger 10/22 in .25acp.

>>28364703
Make more of it

APFSDS rounds.

>>28364703
>How would you improve/modify the .22LR?????????

make it have a shelf life of one month

>>28365071
how would you do that?

>>28365088
a timer where It explodes after 1 month

>>28364782

Im not a fudd, but ive been collecting it for a few months. 22lr collecting is kinda like pokemon cards. its really fun when you have money.

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>>28365126
solid plan. where do i invest?

>>28365071
>implying fudds won't still buy all of it and sit on pallets of expired rimfire

>>28365146
invest in nigger magic it will be the breakthrough that will make our wonderful product a reality

CCI mini-mags already exist. No extra work necessary.

>>28364846

That sounds retarded, but I want one.

.25 acp has equal case capacity iirc.
So that would be an improvement.

You can also reload .25 acp with buckshot so it's extremely cheap if you want something cheap for vermin shooting/plinking

>>28364857
.075cal darts?

>>28364854
Currently happening

Wouldn't be surprised if what happens is:

>2015-2020
Prices stay around 10cpr, availability in stores gets better as production steps up, funded by extra profits

>2020 or so
Prices drop way down as the current declining interest in .22lr starts to drop demand below supply

Everyone then realizes it's a cheap plinking round, prices restabilize around 4 cpr

>>28365325
maybe if there was a lead smelting plant in the USA

>>28365358
We can import lead for cheaper. We do that enough already.

>>28365358
Like 95% of domestic lead consumption comes from recycled sources anyway, Doe Run was operating at a loss before the EPA shut them down

>>28364703
Discontinue production so people actually get a real gun.

>>28365477
>>28365606
Thanks Obama!

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>>28365662
No problem niglets!

>>28365675
I lost

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Eley edge. Good stuff is more expensive.

>>28364703
.22 magnum that can shoot .22 LR and .22 short THIS IS NOT A FUCKING HARD CONCEPT, WHAT THE FUCK WINCHESTER.

>>28365787
>buying 'target' .22 and not being a competitive shooter bound to it
Get a .17 HMR or a .22 magnum, you fucking retard.

>>28364703
There's a need for a modified .22LR or .22WMR in Cali these days. Cali wen't full retard and banned lead ammo for hunting. Instead hunters there are using lead made from tin-alloy. Since tin has so much lower density this throws the bullet weights way the fuck off. They end up having to use larger but lighter (~26gr) bullets. Since the rifling wasn't resigned for such bullets the accuracy is generally inferior to lead.

One could trouble-shoot this by making a new chambering optimized for the tin ammunition. Design a tin bullet that will give satisfactory performance, and design backwards from that.
Priorities might be to maximize the parts compatibility of .22LR or WMR rifles with the new chambering (e.g. Make a rifle easily convertible by barrel, bolt and magazine change or less).

>>28365809
have a .22mag and was thinking about something in .17HMR but i have too many calibers as it is. I have some older sentimental .22lrs So I've stuck with the caliber. But sometimes you want to see what a rifle can really do. a box of 50 edge is $11.60 so it really isn't that bad. tenex is crazy expensive at $19.50 a box.

>>28365262
>25acp
>Buckshot

Look ma', found a retard man.

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>>28365787
>calling round "edge"
>it's all black

careful not to cut yourself on that edge

>>28365935
No. 3 buckshot fits in the .25 acp.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456996

You're the retard.

>>28365935
Would that retarded man be you? Because people do reload .25 using #3 buckshot and it works fine and is cheaper than purchasing bullets
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456996

>>28364846
Fuck that, 1/4 scale Thompson full retard in .25 acp

>>28365935
no. 3 buck works just fine
>a man that doesn't know shit about reloading is the same kind of man that would kick your door down and rape your dog

>>28364703
hhahaha all the yanks and burgers complaining about .22
we have as much .22 as we please and never have shootings
> be burger
>get shot

>>28366884
>be bongish
>get culturally enriched

>>28365358
There are plenty of lead smelting plants in the US that deal with recycled lead, which is what is used in bullets. The last primary lead smelting plant that dealt with raw ore from the ground is what got closed down.

>>28364703
Centerfire.
Ammo shortages wouldn't be a thing.

>>28366364
Sounds like someone needs to make a Thompson in every acp cartridge 25, 32, 380 etc

Also
>25 acp
>in anything with a barrel greater than 3"
Pick both

>>28366931
As much as I don't want to admit it, I suspect he's an Ausfag

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Pic related.

How do fix?

Can we make it centerfire? An itty bitty centerfire?

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How rare/expensive are the other rounds in this pic?

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>>28365787
Why?

>>28367649
Most of them aren't, first and last would probably be a bitch and second last has died commercially afaik.

>>28365907
Fuck California

>>28367678
What .22 magnum like?
How are the .17s, WSM and HMR?
What about .22 Hornet?

And I've heard people talking about .25 ACP what's up with that one?

What's the price on these and how is there availibility? Do they make reliable alternatives to 22 lr?

Also what about 5.7x28mm? I know I won't like the answer but I'm still curious.

Also, as far as the whole reliability thing goes, I'd much rather have a mouse gun with good .22 than a mouse gun in .25.

>>28367649
I can find .17 hmr in any store in my region, usually quite a bit of it.

I've been considering getting a rifle chambered in it just to have another plinker

>>28367726
.22mag, .17hmr and .22lr at least where I live are always available, .17wsm is becoming readily available, I haven't seen HM2 in a while. 22 Hornet is readily available but expensive for what it is and .25acp not sure really.

>>28367726
Not a single one of those options is as cheap as .22lr, even considering panic/hoarder prices

>>28364703
>if you could modify the original design, with manufacturing costs, power, reliability, and accuracy all in mind, what would you do?


1. Make the damn thing centrefire, using brass, steel, or aluminum cases. (Even plastic,if there is a suitable type.)
2. Instead of .22Short/.22LR/.22WMR/.22Magnum, and standardize on ONE case length only, making it THE standard. Keep it as a rimmed cartridge, since it's already so small.
3. Produce so much of this .22 Centrefire ammo, that it would be difficult to have shortages.
4. Roll around in my huge roomful of cash money from the profits.

>>28367795
The shortages in the US have to be artificial, in Aus we have bucketloads of it and the price hasn't changed other than our dollar going to shit against the greenback.

>>28367844
I understand it's caused by "hunters" buying in bulk and hoarding it.

Could also be low production as well.

>>28367844
People are mass purchasing .22lr in the USA

Nobody would import anything from Australia because it's too expensive so unless Aussies start mass purchasing .22lr the price should stay stable.

And I just checked a single Aussie site and converted price to Clapistan dollars to see that the cheapest .22lr rounds in AUS is still more expensive than the cheapest of America.

>>28364703
>if you could modify the original design, with manufacturing costs, power, reliability, and accuracy all in mind, what would you do?

Make it 25acp.
Or just develop smaller primers, probably cone shaped, and kill rimfire off for good.

>>28367944
>Or just develop smaller primers, probably cone shaped, and kill rimfire off for good.
Non-reloadable centrefire primers for .22 Centrefire with aluminum or plastic cases?>>28367795

>>28367898
Yeah this is always the case in Aus, gotta remember our avg wage is significantly higher in most places.
>>28367895
>>28367898
My main point was we get second dibs on supply, when all the production shit went down in the US and the manufacturers streamlined their lines and focused on .223 and .308 getting anything else in Aus was a PITA but .22lr has always been in abundance, I could go to my local and buy 10's of thousands and that's in a tiny country in a tiny gunshop. I just don't see how Fudd's can buy up supply and yet Aus still gets a steady supply coming in.

>>28367795
>>28367967
A .25 ACP with a longer case would be perfect.

And make it reloadable so you can keep using buckshot to reload it.

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>>28367992
If 25 magnum existed, it would be amazing. 556p would basically already exist.

>>28367979
Aussies are probably willing to pay more.

>>28368006

Shut the fuck up faggo

>>28368029
Yeah, pretty jealous of you guys in the US, not a lot of alternatives except paying here. One day I'll visit the US and soak up some proper gun culture.

>>28364703
Cut a cross hash in the tip of hollow pints to weaken the walls of the hollow for increased lethality

>>28365935
im glad you said it and got made fun of because i was thinking the same thing.

>>28367652

HORRY SHET dat edge.

The girl from The Incredibles done gone Goth!

>>28366884
Be brit
Only 22 and 12
Ha fag