Illinois is trying to remove all guns!

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>Synopsis As Introduced
>Urges the courts, especially the United States Supreme Court, to adhere to the clear wording of the Second Amendment being a right afforded to state-sponsored militias and not individuals.

Like the New York Times and the WaPo, like Hillary and Bernie, the authors of this bill know their target audience. Pic related.

It's like people literally want to be murdered by the government

What is the goal of destroying the second amendment? Why are they so eager to take away the one unique freedom that the rest of the world doesn't have? What is the eventual goal? Making people feel "safe"? I wouldn't feel safe in a place where I can't count on other law abiding citizens to use their second amendment rights to protect themselves and others

>>28348436
>top commentor

hate this shit, most of these retards are literally braindead fatties who don't even leave their homes and just debate pointlessly on the internet all day

We should go after these supposed top commentors and slit their throats

>trying to get the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right
>the Supreme Court has already ruled that it is

Okay then.

>>28348463
SHUT UP FAGGOT BUY MY HUGE BUCKETS OF .22LR. 20 CENTS A ROUND. GET EM BEFORE THEY'RE BANNED

>>28348436
>that top comment
Holy shit, that's terrifying that somebody actually believes that.

>>28348454
>most of these retards are literally braindead fatties who don't even leave their homes and just debate pointlessly on the internet all day

I'll take "Describe the Internet for $500", Alex.

>>28348482
But I already have a stockpile of 20k rounds of .22lr that I've built up over the years at a reasonable price per round no no more than $.07/rd.

>>28348398
Ron Paul and his Nuclear Afro

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>>28348485
What, that insisting on the sanctity of our ancestral birthrights and privacy and property makes us domestic terrorists? This has been a mainstream meme for years now, since Sandy Hook at least. Didn't you get the memo?

>>28348558
I did, but it never stops being terrifying.

>>28348398
From the bill:
>rather the Second Amendment's original purpose was to act as a check on federal gun-making policy, not to prevent individual states from creating gun policy as they saw fit
Exactly, and then the 14th amendment was passed and applied that to the states as well. Do these people not know what the 14th amendment is?

>>28348463
but
>muh living document
>muh meaning changes to meet the needs of the times
Literally can't understand normal thinking, these freedom haters.

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>>28348590
The rule of law doesn't apply if you're a progressive Democrat. And they've pretty well captured the party, now. They sure as hell drove me out, and I voted for Al Gore.

Uh I'm pretty sure that the Heller Decision made it very clear

>>28348634
Doesn't mean they won't constantly try and strip people's rights away. The second they get one more left leaning supreme court justice they'll try an take this stuff to an appeal and get shit rewritten. If Hillary is elected also, we could see some radical shit coming up.

>>28348654
Well I don't disagree but the Heller decision made it crystal clear that owning a firearm is an individual right

they can strip and chip away at it, but all this bill is, is nonsense. The supreme court has made their decision regarding whether it's an individual right or not. That was the point I was making

I hope you all are registered republican and are voting in the general.

>>28348558
>privacy
eh, you a right against governmental intrusion (unless a judge says so) but it doesn't say anywhere that the government can't passively collect information on you or have business that do intrude upon your privacy had over that information when asked

>>28348398
>durr second amendment says militias, which means state sponsored militia, not individuals duuuuuuuuurr.
>ignore US code 311
Some people's kids man

>>28348674
They'll just redefine what an "individual right" entails or something.

>>28348398
>And then Chicago was alone in the state, as the rest of the population gets fed up with their bullshit and leaves.

>With the budget still not passed, and the budget deficit even larger due to 50% of the population leaving, the diverse parts of Chicago get rioty

>Gangs loot, shoot, etc. It spills over into the formerly gated suburbs, right where the liberals who voted for this crap live.

>They learn a hard lesson.

I can't wait.

>>28348398
can we as a people, like, start suing for attempted crime against human rights/crimes against the constitution or SOMETHING so that these nigtards cant just keep stoking the panic flames with no consequences?

>>28348674
Hillary has already said that she's going to get Heller overturned.

There are a fair number of /k/ommandoes who have openly announced they're going to vote for her anyway, cause sucking dick and smoking dope is more important.

>>28348802
This boggles my mind, how can people knowingly vote for someone who couldn't handle being Secretary of State and now think it'll be a good idea to get her on the White House again.

>>28348498
>.22lr

LOL

>>28348876
its fine, the stress will kill her in a year or less. its whoever they sneak as her vp that would be the issue

>>28348611
We know Phil. You're a Californian.

>not individual right
Socialists love guns amirite?!

>>28348802
Voted for democunts need to be added to the 4473 and nics check as flags for denial

>>28348876
Propaganda is one hell of a drug, anon.

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Fucking libcucks man

>>28348996
Why not both? It just means liberals support evil and racism.

Laws passed by congress like the NFA, GCA, etc. is one thing, but if there is a court ruling that overturns any of the amendments in the bill of rights there will be an armed insurrection. The fact that any of our politicians would make a bill like this is very worrisome. The fact that the large majority of people could not be bothered to give a shit is even more worrisome. We will be branded as terrorist and extremists, but I would rather die than live as a subject to the state.
>inb4 edgy
I know I sound edgy as fuck, but look at history. This shit has played out so many times under different governments throughout history. Please /k/, practice with your weapons and be ready to use them.

>>28348436
>mfw the Apaches would be commandeered confederate painted rebel choppers literally gunning down liberal rioters on segways.

Its like these fucks don't even know which party controls the military industrial complex.

>>28349245
That isn't edgy.

>>28349245
I'm right there with ya. I'm ready to pick up my rifle and lay down my life. This shit-hole state keeps getting worse and worse and until something major happens, I feel like it's just going to be a downwards spiral.

>>28348876
>how can people knowingly vote for someone who couldn't handle being Secretary of State and now think it'll be a good idea to get her on the White House again.

100% serious, I will vote for Hillary if it comes down to her or Trump. I will be very unhappy to do so but Trump would be completely unacceptable desu senpai

>>28349552
Pray tell, what is the logic behind this?

>>28349574
Trump is an asshole and a lair who only knows how to run a shitty reality tv show.
Hilary at least is honest with the people about shit.

>>28348436
Well, it's a good thing the Supreme Court has ruled (around a dozen times or so) through out the history of the United States that the people are the militia, and the state is not obliged to protect its citizenry and therefore the citizen has the right to defend themselves.

Good work Illinois for beating a dead horse and wasting the tax payer coffer while you're at it.

>>28349574
because I vote for the person I believe will do the best job, I do not align myself with either party. Trump would be more embarrassing than GW

>>28348677
>>28348677
>I hope you all are registered republican and are voting in the general.


This.
Get out and vote.

>>28349632
>Hillary is honest
Except, you know, when it comes to issues with the security of American citizens abroad.

>>28349632
>Benghazi
Yeah, shut your mouth.

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>>28349552
I'm tempted to vote Trump just to see what happens

>>28348398
its even funnier because its illinois, what with all the chicago PD being required to kill someone on each call they respond to

>>28349652
not sure that's possible... GW was pretty terrible

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>>28349632
>Hilary at least is honest

>>28349552
last presidential ballot i cast had a line to write someone in. do you even vote, nigger?

>>28349759

Are you in an early primary state? You might be able to encourage the Trump Show to go on a few weeks more.

Are you not in an early primary state? Nothing you do matters and you have no influence on who will be president.

>>28348436
>muh everything I don't like is fascism
When will you faggots get it through your head that they are Marxists/communists, not fascists

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>>28349632
>Hilary at least is honest

You know, they want to ban and restrict stuff that is proven to be used to kill mass amounts of people, but I don't see anyone calling for common sense Islam control.

>>28348398
>Short Description: 2ND AMEND-NOT INDIVIDUAL RIGHT
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

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>>28349632
>hillary
>honest
holy fuck

>>28348398

http://illinoiscarry.com ain't worried about it so im not worried about it.

>>28349632
I can totally understand hating on trump and voting for his opponent cause "muh he racist meanie!" but at least don't lie saying Hilary is honest cause she ain't. Maybe you actually think this, if you do then please don't vote.

>>28348677
Fuck that I'm registering Dem to vote in the primaries for sanders. My state is red as blood so I can skip the general or vote libertarian. I am not an ally of the boner/cryan party.

>>28349632
I unno if is call Hillary honest, but she is more experienced.

Trump is just going to pump and dump the country and get out at a profit. At least shillary might actually want to do right for the country.

>>28349632
>Hillary
>Honest
Pick one, and only one.

Also,
>implying Hillary isn't adamantly anti-gun, just like every fucking libtard in the last 50 years
Trump has been very clear in his support for the 2nd Amendment and concealed carry.

>>28348398
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
what part of that do people not understand?

>>28350031
>Trump has been very clear in his support for the 2nd Amendment and concealed carry
>let's ruin the country and make a fool of ourselves over one issue that'll just get beat down by the sc every fucking time.

I'd much rather just vote in a bunch of pro gun congress guys and not get called a moron by the rest of the world.

I have ways of getting what I want without electing that fucking cornhead.

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>>28350010
>>28350015
Good Germans. Nothing more or less.

>>28350010
Then vote libertarian, not for the idiotic socialist sanders.

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>>28350066

I wonder who could be behind this post

>>28350031
>Trump has been very clear in his support for the 2nd Amendment and concealed carry.
>his support for the 2nd Amendment
Im-fucking-plying
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/robert-farago/donald-trump-nist-watch-list/

Why do people continue to repeat this lie about Trump supporting the second amendment when he doesn't, currently or in the past?

>>28350066
After repubicans in Congress passed CISA and the OMNIBUS bill, do you seriously think that they're above "compromising" with the Democrats to save face? And who the hell do you think is going to pull more weight with the ATF and get them to quit dicking around- some no-name congressman, or the fucking head of the executive branch?

>>28350066
>Caring what the rest of the world thinks
Most of them have drank the progressive Koolaid, anon. Who gives a fuck what someone abroad thinks about US politics. They have no real say, so don't worry about their bitching.

>>28350116
Because he's a meme tier candidate and they think it's either him or hillary. That or people gobble up that "make america great again shit".

>>28350116
>Trump supports the watchlist
>WHELP better vote for Hillary and get Assault Weapons Ban 2.0

>>28350057
Politicians don't understand the Amendment itself. Gun owners don't understand that "shall not be infringed" means you have to actually fight for it to be so.

Also,
>everyone thinking that the left/right paradigm isn't just a dog and pony show and every politician will sell your rights away to multinational corporations
It's the future you fucking lazy idiots chose. If you aren't willing to shoot at the government for trying to take away so much as one letter of the BoR away, don't cry about losing your freedoms.

>>28350115
>if you don't vote for a opportunistic moron with no political skills and a sole motivation to make money, you're a jew
How fucking ironic.

>>28350118
Listen dude, it's TRUMP. I'll find a way. He's not worth it.

I will find a way. Or move to Alaska.

>>28350083
Rich coming from you there Phil. Turn off your trip already.

>>28350155
>implying Hillary is the only other candidate

>>28350241
>Implying Hillary is even the real leading Democrat candidate

>>28350241
Bernie is weird and will never will.

Didn't he vote against the Brady bill?

>>28350279
Bernie is a populist candidate who actually speaks to things voters on both sides can get behind, while Hillary is your typical two-faced, out of touch Washington insider.

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>>28350200
Well, okay. Would 'house nigger' sit better with you?

>>28350333
He's also never opened an economics book in his life.

WHY WHYYYYY my shitty state.

We were doing so good. We got CCW sorta, and we were going to get silencers. WHYYYYYYY is this happening?

>>28350379
That only makes sense if you consider supply-side/Randian economic theory to be a good idea instead of a great way to create a new aristocracy while killing the middle class.

>>28350379
that's probably a good thing

>>28348436

>2nd amendment was designed to protect government

Let me off this ride

>>28350402
Because you won't hold your politicians accountable and go "oh well lol" when you get a precooked response telling you to fuck off every time you write to them.

>>28350083
Sorry I'm not ever voting for trump. I'm not voting for cruz unless hillary is the dem nom. I won't vote sanders in the gen.

None of my votes matter anyways except dem primary because I'm in idaho.

The Republicans claim to stand for my values but they've sold me out for my entire life. Especially state politics.

lol, fuck it. Let them try, maybe it's about time they find out first hand what the second amendment is for.

>>28350279
Don't know what he did back then, but he came out in support of the full range of gun control bullshit recently.

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>>28349632
>Hilary at least is honest

>>28350443
Thing is, Hitler 2.0 is so far ahead that the only way out is if he's intentionally excluded from the Primaries.

>>28350409
>That only makes sense if you consider supply-side/Randian economic theory to be a good idea instead of a great way to create a new aristocracy while killing the middle class.

What are you a fucking Krugman shill straight out of fucking Berkley? Or are you arguing for some command economy?

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>>28350443

>Not realizing all politicians are scumbags.
>Still not gonna vote for the pro-gun side regardless of these scumbags.

>>28348558
I ran into these guys on /his/.

He could not argue with me as anything other than an evangelical despite telling him that I was an atheist.

>>28350481
>Hilary at least is honest
This is bait. This has to be bait.

>>28350200
>a sole motivation to make money

Being president dont pay shit, if his only motivation was money he would keep doing what he's currently doing. Only the rest of the candidates stand to make money off this especially Hillary.

>>28350115
>>>/pol/

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>>28350464
They're certainly willing to. They've been whipping themselves up in a lather recently.

Remember, all this kerfuffle is the result of a couple of foreign religious fascists who shot up a Christmas party. This is who we are now. This is how we as a society react. Terrifying, isn't it?

>>28350520
Nope. A lot of /k/ommandoes are shoo-in Hillary voters.

>>28350505
I'm arguing that the last 30+ years of your shit have drug everybody but a small few down with stagnant wages and increasing extreme inequality.

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>>28350566

>>28350521
>thinking being president itself is what provides the money, not all the lobbying funds you can take.

>>28350335
Trip>off
Jackass, you aren't that important.

>>28350566
How can they even call themselves /k/ommandos? I wish reddit and 9fag never existed.

>>28350566
>Nope. A lot of /k/ommandoes are shoo-in Hillary voters.

I saw you post this earlier and I couldn't believe it until this thread kek

>>28350578
>Corporatistm is capitalism!

Please fuck off.

>>28350514
>>Still not gonna vote for the pro-gun side regardless of these scumbags.
>Trump
>pro-gun
Pick one and only one.

>>28348398
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>28350566
>liberal fascism
>fascism

idiot

>>28350622
The original fascists started their careers as Syndicalists ie trade unionist socialism.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

Read this and then compare it to Bernie Sanders' Platform.

>>28349840
popular vote doesn't elect the president anyway, idiot.

if you wanted a chance to influence the election, you vote for the ELECTOR.

lrn2civics

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>>28350335

Holy shit she is baked af in this pic

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>>28349632
>Hillary is honest

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>>28350608
I've had several queer /k/ommandoes in the past week tell me they're switching their vote to Hillary just because I favor traditional marriage, or that they couldn't vote for Republitards because of social issues or what have you. Oh, and called a homophobe and a fascist and a hypocrite and all the rest.

Think about the mindset it takes to invite the government into your bedroom because that's where the gun safe is in order to spite somebody that disagrees with you over a cultural fight you already (for now) won. Remember when /k/ used to be proud of being a big tent? all us breeders and faggots and stoners and weeaboos whose sole common denominator was that we dug guns and military stuff? It's gone the way of the dodo bird.

>>28348398
Doesn't fucking matter faggot. There are already Supreme Court rulings superseding this.

>>28350726
I saw that you posted a bunch of these in other threads, to be honest, I agree with some of it.

>>28350726
You do know that not voting Republican =/= voting for Hillary.

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>>28350650
If only Willy were here to destroy the Totalists and Syndicalists.

>>28350726
I assure you that nobody with even an ounce of self-respect cares what you have to say.

>>28350726
Phil, you are a colossal homophobe who, likely unintentionally, serves to create harmful divides in gun culture.

>>28350798
He doesn't care about gun culture. He cares about himself. That's it.

>>28349632
>Honest
>Hilary

>>28350609
You're probably the same guy across multiple threads that won't actually answer how a stance of 50 state reciprocity for concealed carry and a repeal of federal gun free zones isn't pro-gun. You just keep repeating that he isn't and then start with your tumblr crybaby talk as if we're discussing GG

>>28350804
Naturally.

>>28350793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE

>>28348440
Because they hate America and want to kill everyone that won't bow down to their socialist revolution. I'm not even joking.

>>28348463
>implying a leftist Supreme Court nominee won't change all of that.

>>28350855
It won't retard. The Supreme Court essentially never overturns itself, especially not to restrict a freedom it has already granted.

>>28348611
I cringe thinking how I used to be one

>>28350855
Yep.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/10/02/clinton-supreme-court-is-wrong-on-the-second-amendment-n2059865

>>28350887
> I don't have any idea how the Supreme Court or judicial traditional in America works.
That's you.

>>28350814
All that doesn't matter if he supports denying people their right to own guns without due process. What does it matter if you can carry anywhere if you can't legally own a gun to carry, even though you've never done anything illegal?

>>28349632
>Hillary
>Honest
Jesus Christ

>>28349552
Kill yourself with one of your guns

>>28349632
Bait

>>28349552
>>28349632
This is why I tell people that Trump can't win. And no one believes me.

>>28350937
Where does he support doing that? What retarded bullshit are you making up now?

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I think some of you don't understand this because your not from Illinois. Let me break it down for you how this all works.

Since the 1970's Illinois has been unique. It has handled the issue of firearms on it's own, it issued FOID cards and requirements and the state allowed Towns, Cities, and Counties to set their own laws. This is why we have things like the Chicago handgun ban, or the Aurora assault weapon ban. Since the 70's, the state has always held all the power, they banned all forms of carry, they banned NFA items and silencers.

The federal government didn't give a shit about what Illinois did because it was a state issue. Then something changed recently, and suddenly throughout the country gun bans were struck down by the courts, concealed carry was allowed, and Illinois, who has always been alone and been the big boss of firearms laws stood alone as the last state that forbid concealed carry.

Illinois faught tooth and nail to prevent the courts from forcing them to allow concealed carry and lost horribly. They waited till the last minute to institute a law out of spite.

Since that day, the state has been attacked constantly by gun rights challenges, and is about to loose everything. Soon silencers will be legal. Every local town ban and law is being challenged and overturned.

So, what does this have to do with what I talked about? The state is grasping at straws trying to get it's power back. Nothing more. We should be celebrating such a weak challenge from such a once strong foe as a victory.

>>28350972
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/robert-farago/donald-trump-nist-watch-list/

>>28350066
>caring about Europes opinion ever

You are truly leftist scum

>>28350726
>ban toy guns
My pro gun parents never bought us toy guns because they considered it in bad taste. (they also are very anti-consumerist behavior, so we didn't get a lot of plastic made-in-china toys.)

We took lumber and fashioned our own wooden guns in my dad's shop.

Got good at it too. I had a model 1911, and my brother made a luger. We both made some killer looking tommy guns.

They all broke over time because we pretended the shit out of world war 2 soldiers.

Imagine how triggered libs would be by a 9 year old making a toy gun.

>>28350984
The fucking watch lists need to be destroyed, not expanded.

>>28348398
There is no way in hell this'll get passed. The only idiots I see supporting this are the liberal jew politicians in north Chicago. And I am being serious about that. A lot of the politicians that come out near Chicago are jews, and they're all very liberal.

Southern and middle IL isn't going to like it, and I doubt Rauner will sign it.

>>28350984
And that's Unconstitutional because there's no due process and will be found as such. What else you got? So Abdul Muhammad and his six wives will have no problem buying the guns, don't you worry.

>>28350984
>http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/robert-farago/donald-trump-nist-watch-list/
motherfucking this.
Fuck trump. He's an NSA/DHS cocksucker too.

>>28350650
>the new fascist will be anti fascist

Winston Churchill

>>28351038
What do the intellectual origins of fascism have to do with any of that?

>>28350875
You are fucking delusional. You still seem to think these leftist care about the constitution. They don't. To them the constitution is a document that is outdated and was written by old racist white males who are the bane of humanity.

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>>28349632
Holy shit, you may be the only person who actually believes Hillary is "honest."

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>>28348802

Part of me wants to see Hillary or Bernie win because I think we need another revolutionary war in this nation.

I do not want to wind up with the same fate the poor British men are about to suffer. Stand around and watch while your entire nation and culture gets devoured with no way to resist it.

The world needs to witness the might of 100 million gun owners standing up to one of the worlds strongest and most powerful governments running one of the largest militaries.

Nothing could be a better example to all future generations of humans that free armed people can stand up to tyrants.

Free people own guns.

Staves and subjects do not.

No master will ever allow a slave to own guns.

But since this is politics, I think the mods might move it to /pol/

>>28351055
Progressive fit the mold for churchills quote

>>28350433
You don't understand, being from southern IL, we can't the goddamn retards in the north to stop being retarded therefore we fucking suffer. It does no good to complain because Shitcago politics are where its at in this hellhole state.

>>28351030
>it's okay for candidates to support unconstitutional gun because the courts will overturn them eventually
No

>>28351099
>Implying the hardliners who'd vote for Trump are anything but a very loud, tiny minority who've hijacked the party

>>28351118
What's up soill bro. I'm right across the river. Sorry one big city ruins your state. Hopefully it will get better

>>28350976
I hope you are right

>>28351099
>>28351099
>there is nothing wrong with war

>>28350433
I've lived nearly my entire life in IL (moved out only the last 2 years), and here is the thing. Cook County (i.e. Chicago) pretty much controls the entire state. If you look at various elections, statewide and nationwide, the entire state is a deep crimson, save for maybe 1 county and cook county, and because of that, the state is deeply blue. And because of this heavily lopsidedness in IL politics, whatever Chicago wants, it pretty much gets.

So it's not really the state at large that is the problem, it is literally all of Chicago's fault. They're the ones that do not hold anyone accountable. Hell, the would have easily voted in Jesse Jackson Jr. again if they could, despite having a laundry list of crimes and bribes committed.

>>28351140
Nothin much, what a coincidence I live near the river too.

>>28351174
Hey, it could get better. Minnesota is ruled by the Twin Cities, but Shall-Issue CCW got passed easily, and we just legalized suppressors. It was actually a huge surprise to see Bill's carrying them, they had a full display case set up.

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>>28351159

I am a member of the NRA because I would rather pursue diplomatic means by attempting to bribe gun grabbers with money, than to be forced to shoot them.

War sucks, killing sucks. I just want to play vidya games, watch movies, drink good sour mash, smoke a cheap cigar, fap to traps and cuddle my guns.

But there aint no fucking way I am going to allow my generation be the one that simply sat and watched while the second amendment was taken and left nothing for the next generation.

Fuck all that noise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3doJ3jHQ01o

>>28348436
>Mike Barbee

What the fuck?! How much liberal Kool-aid do you have to drink to get everything backwards?

>>28351099
100 million gun owners can't even band together to get the NFA repealed and the ATF disbanded. What makes you think they can organize and actually fight for their rights? They won't. They'll wait until confiscation and go "lolmuhboatingaccident" and get hauled off for reeducation. The window is closing fast, and 5 minutes before the prom isn't the time to learn how to dance.

>>28351225
With Rauner as governor, I could see a lot of really bad management being undone within his tenure. May have moved out, but the guy is making me want to move back, as he seems to be unfucking IL, while MO is getting fucked.

>>28351174
California has the same problem, if you aren't LA county you may as well stay home and jack off on voting day, better use of your time.

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>>28348611
>mouthbreathing gun fetishists
>insulting /k/ instead of all gun owners
I will not stand for this.

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>>28351249

>>28351258
Same with WA if you don't live in the Seattle area.

>>28351159
There is everything wrong with war, and war is brought by those who wish to enslave you.

Passing gun confiscation is an act of war.

>>28351249
This.
The revolution should have come in 1934.

I'm voting Trump because I think this country is going to hell and I want the ride to be as amusing as possible.

Is there any candidate who is /k/ approved?

>>28351339
The very people you don't want to kill will gladly kill you for your collection. If you aren't willing to fight and kill for your rights don't complain about losing them.

>>28351407
Who's running for the Libertarian party this time around?

>>28351421
Rand Paul

>>28351316
>That's bullshit, you can just not have guns!
>And a gay person could just not have gay sex.

>>28351410
>the average anti gunner sits back fantasizing about killing people for their guns
You don't honestly believe this shit, do you?

>>28351471
They say so themselves

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>>28351249

You don't get to fuck the prom queen until they announce her as a winner.

Hang tight, hang tough and wait for General Gage to make his march upon Concord.

>>28348482
How much are you selling them for?

Got a website?

>>28348436
>mike barbee trolling /k/ without ever posting here
>/k/ falling for it as always

>>28351482

This anon speaks the truth. It's fucking scary, for real.

Assmad antigunners are constantly spouting shit like "I HOPE SOMEONE KILLS YOU WITH YOUR GUN, I HOPE YOU SHOOT YOURSELF" so it stands to reason that they are jacking off to some sort of statist fantasy of door to door disarmament with "those crazy redneck NRA members" getting killed.

And this isn't just wildly exaggerated soccer mom stories, I have seen it myself. Granted not all antis think that way but it's still quite a disturbing trend.

>>28349759
>I'm tempted to vote Trump just to see what happens

Do it faggot.

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>>28351471
The NYT has already called for confiscation, and we see shit like pic related on a daily basis. So yeah, pretty much. The knives are out and the gloves are off.

>>28351554
Yeah, and the average gun owner is always posting about how they want to start the next civil war.

>>28351569
>I can pick out a few extreme opinions out of the billions of posts on social media websites

>>28348398
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

>Militia

>>28351421
Here, give me your address so that I can mail you a thank you card that says "Thanks Fuckhead" when you help to get Hillary elected.

Do you know why America has a two-party system? Because to go third party is death. There's a reason that the Democrats have coined the joke that the Green party stands for "Getting Republicans Elected Each November"

>>28351554
This is total truth... projection - taking the fantasies of violence off of their own selves and draping them on their enemies - is freaking ENDEMIC to the antis.

>>28349632

>can't control 2 email accounts
>wants to control the country

>>28351569
>Not seeing the obvious parallels between trump and Hitler

>>28351591
She's actually a Washington Post Reporter.

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>>28351591
>When confronted by commenters who questioned comparing someone running for office to one of Hitler’s henchmen, Wirbel was unambiguous. One commenter implored him, “Let’s not stoop to Trump tactics to combat Trump. Let’s defeat him with reason and data.” Wirbel would have none of it.

>The ACLU board member replied with a swipe at a larger percentage of the Republican Party and the American people.

>“But see, most people don’t even know what reason is. They don’t use anything other than the lower brain,” Wirbel wrote, “and would no more make decisions based on logical conclusions than choose milk based on a theme song. The base of the Republican Party is unfamiliar with a cortex.”

>ACLU board member

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/10/colorado-aclu-board-member-shoot-trump-voters-before-election-day/

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>>28351615
The plural of "anecdote" is "data."

>>28350010
Please for the love of god, don't vote Sanders. That's just like voting for Hilldog. Please, just don't be seduced by his bullshit promises.

>>28351630
Yeah, and I can find even more ridiculous shit said by senators and representatives from both major parties at the federal level. A few people saying ridiculous shit doesn't immediately mean that everyone who holds a similar viewpoint believes the same thing.

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>>28351701
'When people say they want to kill you, believe them.'

-- European Jewry

>>28351615

Came her to post "projection". The anti-gunners I know salivate at the thought of swatting someone or guns being outlawed and the feds rounding people up for "reeducation". And these people are teachers or journalists.
http://www.saysuncle.com/?s=%22anti-gun+activists+so+violent%22

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>>28351725
kek, love it.

>>28351688
I once went through a huge compilation of school shootings and checked what happened in each one. Literally most of them were stupid kids bringing guns to a school and shooting them on accident in the bathroom. That or just random gun violence that happens to occur on school grounds. There was even one of some drunk college kids in Minnesota plinking late at night, and cops had to break down their door cuz they were too drunk to respond.

>>28351780
like two weeks after sandy vag the Delaware Valley news sources were blowing up about a school shooting in Philly, it all went hush when they found out it was in a ghetto black kids school.

Seeing these threads pisses me off. Its literally a small minority who is so obsessed with stripping people's rights away that they have to sperg out over the littlest things. If you feel threatened by the number of guns out there, go buy a fucking gun and train with it. If not, then piss off and enjoy white middle class life. When you are 35 and haven't seen a gun in your life, then you should have a pretty fucking good idea that you are in no immediate danger.

>>28351780
>I once went through a huge compilation of school shootings and checked what happened in each one

Hey I did that too. "School shootings" have such a wide definition it's insane. There was one I remember that was a drug deal across the street in the middle of the night going bad and a shot being reported, no one was actually shot but it was counted as a school shooting. They didn't go to the school, they weren't on school grounds, school wasn't in session, their business in the area was in no way related to the school, no one was shot... but it's a school shooting.

The amount of things most people would consider school shooting if they new the specifics of each incident is so low.

>>28351630
>“Let’s not stoop to Trump tactics to combat Trump. Let’s defeat him with reason and data.”
From a group that constantly uses emotional appeals instead of statistics because statistics prove them wrong.

>>>/pol/

Rather than panic, contact your appropriate representatives if you disagree with any sort of bill or act being proposed.

If only everyone did that. But, I guess we can look forward to a good chunk of ammo being unavailable again. Not as if I'm blaming /k/ommandos, though. We're not the majority.

>thanks uncle bubba

>>28349632
>Hillary
>honest

So honest she set up an email server in her house to use instead of a government email in an attempt to circumvent FOIA and then lied about it repeatedly.

Then she uses weasel word to describe how nothing she sent was "marked classified when it was sent", which is irrelevant as the data was still classified, thus being a breach of law and executive order.

You're stupid if you think she's honest.

>>28351929
>contact your appropriate representatives if you disagree with any sort of bill or act being proposed.
>If only everyone did that.

If everyone did that then we would lose the right to keep and bear arms

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>>28351929
>contact your appropriate representatives if you disagree with any sort of bill or act being proposed

>their face's when

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>>28351940
But the only alternative is voting for a RETHUGLICAN. And that would mean voting against state-sponsored public approval for queer marriage and weed and things. No matter how awful she is, we can't do THAT. What are we to do? Besides move to Canada...?

>>28351980
>voting against state-sponsored public approval for queer marriage and weed and things
I'm down with this.

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>>28349632
>Hillary
>honest

>>28351254
Rauner the faux conservative has done jack shit for Illinois. He doesn't give two fucks about guns, he's way too busy fapping to his master plan, the Turnaround Agenda, which has been elevated to an almost holy "thy will MUST be done" status. All he has done is ensure a Democrat governor next time around, and they will pillage the remains of this poor state. Dillard would have unfucked Illinois's 2a problem, and with Rutherford, we'd have a more fiscally sound budget by now.

>>28350976
Boy, I sure hope you're right.

>>28351007
I think that's true. But it's still worrying.

>>28351407
Cruz? Also, he's a former competitive debate asshole, and I dig that.

>>28351725
Woof. Glad we have you around, Phil.

>>28352032
>Reminder that Kansas' economy was destroyed by Brownback following Repub economic dogma
>As was Louisiana's by Jindal
>Wisconsin is in a slow death spiral because of Walker
>At the same time Minnesota and other non-Cali Democrat-governed states are booming

>>28351980
This election is going to boil down to choosing between a douche and a shit sandwich. (I'll let you pick which one is which.) We need a good third party candidate.

Can't there just be a party where they want limited government, equality for gays and atheists, wants guns for everyone, and no religious nut jobs controlling it?

>>28351913
>the ACLU uses emotional appeal
What?

>>28351407
Trump cannot beat Hillary. You are insane to do this or throwing a tantrum like a four year old. Which is it?

>>28352044
Cruz has higher negatives but you don't argue before the supreme court nine times and win nine times by accident.

>>28352092
Not even remotely true.

>>28352147
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

>>28352152
Denial isn't a river anywhere you inbred redneck shitbird.

>>28352107
That would be the libertarian party, or as the progressives call them, the legion of doom. A group of madman plotting to get elected so they can enact their evil master plan to leave you alone.

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>>28352133
>In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz drafted the amicus brief signed by the attorneys general of 31 states, which said that the D.C. handgun ban should be struck down as infringing upon the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.[55][58] Cruz also presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.[55][59]

Noice.

>>28351617
>Threatening to shoot someone for supporting your political opponent.

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>>28352107
No.

If I prize traditional marriage and the civilizing virtues of the Judeo-Christian ethic -- values that have been utterly non-controversial for the entire history of our country, up until the 1960's -- you'll despise me and throw me under the bus. Which is, you know, the way things are going. So you're on the Right Side Of History there.

On the other hand, if you favor guns and limited government, your liberal allies will throw YOU under the bus, possibly with a SWAT team at 3:00AM.

Your perfect libertarian world does not and never will exist, no matter how much you twist and turn and whine.

It is time to man up and decide. Like it or not, you precious snowflake.

>>28352228
>There has never been such a thing as "natural, traditional marriage" and even in western culture what a marriage is changes generation by generation
>In the '60s the exact same arguments currently used against marriage equality were used against interracial marriage

>>28352228
Phill? What did I tell you about communicating effectively?

Specifically about how you should stop doing your hardest to make war on the very concept of effective communication.

>>28351159
>there is nothing wrong with war

Of course there is, but some things are far worse.

>>28352152
Becoming Liberal is becoming synonymous with being anti-growth. If you look at the blue states, they all have worse fundamentals (Employment, inequality, taxes, growth, etc.) then the red states. In the last apportionment, the red states picked up all of the congressional seats, poached from the blue ones and California didn't gain any seats for the first time in a century. People are voting with their feet.

>Hurr durr those are sweatshop jobs that pay two dollars an hour!

Nigger, no one just up and transplants themselves to another state to get a job as a fry cook unless they're moving back in with mom and dad.

>>28352268
1) Revisionist horseshit from beginning to end.

2) Only by bitter old farts in the Deep South. And they were full of it. Marrying into another race doesn't change the nature of marriage.

You going to turn THIS thread into another gay rights bitchfest too?

>>28352268
Not even remotely. Inter-racial and inter-ethnic marriage was the norm rather than the exception up until the enlightenment. Go look and see how many of the commanders who carved themselves out a Crusader State took wives from the local populace.

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>>28352228
Liberal allies? I hate both parties equally. I like guns and hate hippies too much to be a liberal, and I'm an atheist who believes in equality too much to be a conservative.

Libertarians would be able to not only fill that gap but represent those of us middle grounders. Until the republicans sever their ties with the religious right and remember the separation between church and state exists they're going to keep driving away potential voters.

(pic of gun to keep it /k/)

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How does /k/ feel about exit vs. voice?

On the one hand:
>cowards, stay and fight for your rights
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

On the other:
>liberals presumably have the right to create their own little enclaves where only the rent-a-cops have guns (houses? gated communities? towns? cities? etc etc)
>perhaps we'd all be better off sorting ourselves into groups of people like ourselves--diversity breeds low social capital (see, e.g., Robert Putnam)

I dunno lads.

>>28352372
Keep denying the truth, only Cali is having problems, and that's because it's got serious problems regardless of who's in charge.

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>>28352376
>>28352405

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I now understand why the Mods try and prevent any firearm political discussion on /k/, it gets railroaded so fast.

>>28352429
But anon, Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

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>>28352376
Moron.

>>28352421
Home Rule is a thing, if you didn't know. Giving the big blue cities the right to do whatever the fuck they pleased within their own states would go a long, long way towards salvaging our current plight. It'd certainly recompense rural red-staters for the power they lost when the Supremes neutered every state senate back in the Sixties. It's okay for the Feds to have checks and balances visa vis the Reps and the Senate, but not you plebs at the state level, they said.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Sims

The only problem is the city dwellers hate our fucking guts and will never give up the power they hold.

>>28352496
>Implying you backwards rubes aren't doing anything but holding back progress because of things you find icky

>>28352376
http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx

4% of Americans approved of interracial marriage in 1958. I dunno, man, once you start thinking about how historically weird our views in Current Year are, it seems like kind of an unprincipled exception to say "sociopolitical change and progress until 1784 (or 1860, or 1913, or 1934) were just great, but everything after that was a mistake". I'm not trying to say you're full of shit, understand, I don't know what the correct answer here is. But I think this line of thought about gay marriage produces results that robust gun-toting Western individualists like ourselves ought to find abhorrent. See also: Moldbug and Jim Donald.

>>28352405
Concubines or wives? Big difference between rules about who you can shag and who you sire an heir on.

>>28352452
Uh huh. Which half of the country saw no problem with it, and for how far back? My great grandmother on my mother's side married a half-breed Algonquin. No fucks were given. He's in all the old pictures with the rest of the family.

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>>28352496
I didn't know about this. Thanks.

>>28352539
> I'm not trying to say you're full of shit
Why the hell not? He is full of shit.

>>28352544
>somebody points out that gay marriage is more socially acceptable now than interracial marriage was during Virginia vs. Loving
>W-W-W-WELL I HAVE ANECDOTES

BTFO
T
F
O

>>28352092
And I'm not disagreeing with that whatsoever. Illinois is too busy engaging in a literal cuckfest, and as a result is squandering a golden opportunity to make it a much more friendly 2A state. :(

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>>28352496
>>28352572
> ...the forces of our national life are not brought to bear on public questions solely in proportion to the weight of numbers. If they were, the 6 million citizens of the Chicago area would hold sway in the Illinois Legislature without consideration of the problems of their 4 million fellows who are scattered in 100 other counties. Under the Court's new decree, California could be dominated by Los Angeles and San Francisco; Michigan by Detroit..

>>28352496
Oh I forgot you're the fucking asshole who believes that egregiously disproportionate representation in the House and state legislatures was a good thing. Why do you hate representative democracy?

>>28352599
Possibly. But if so, I think it's on a much deeper level than most of the
>hurr bible thumper
criticism is getting at.

>>28352616
Illinois is basically corruption central in politics, it's pretty much the example of "non-typical" when it comes to everything.

>>28352496
> he thinks 10% of the population should have 50% of the representatives.

Get fucked nigger.

>>28352638
>Why do you hate representative democracy?
See >>28352632

>>28352650
To be honest, people like Phil deserve to be mocked relentlessly every time they show up in any kind of public discussion.

>gun control is an oppressive use of government authority to stifle people's self determination
>better keep pot illegal, that shit'll kill you
>you shouldn't legislate your personal preferences
>but gay marriage is degenerate, keep it banned

Literally the millstone around the neck of the GOP.

>>28352608
Phil is legendary for being easy to BTFO. It's the only thing about him we like.

>>28352632
As opposed to the direct democracy of the Proposition system in Cali that allows passage of unconstitutional/oppression of the majority bills?

>>28352572
The dissenting opinions foresaw exactly what we're in the middle of -- Chicago running Illinois by fiat, for instance.

That's the year the big blue cities seized control. That's the year we got derailed.

>>28352539
>4% of Americans approved of interracial marriage in 1958.
Sorry. I call horseshit. You're seriously claiming all those part Chinese/Japanese/Indian/black/whatever families didn't fucking exist so you can cling to the petrified image of Old America as some sort of dystopian white-racist wasteland? Get the fuck out. I wonder how much mud blood is in your family tree you don't know about.

>>28352666
But that's not correct. The population of the Chicago area has the percentage of state representatives that they are as a % of the state's population. The Chicago metro has ~75%$ of the state's population and thus about that same proportion of its representatives.

>>28352696
>BAWW WHY ARE YOUR PRIMARY SOURCES DISAGREEING WITH MY PRECONCEPTIONS

Stay salty.

>>28352696
Hey Phil, can you confirm that this is an accurate depiction of your Christmas?

>>28351671

>>28352696
I love how now he's not only name calling, but completely ignoring evidence held right in front of his face. It's so cute.

>>28352679
This is exactly what I'm talking about, though. Consider the possibility that he may be starting from different first principles than you are.

And we have a political party without all that shit--they're called the Libertarians, and they got a single electoral vote, once (in 1976, I think.). If libertarianism, or fiscal conservatism and social liberalism, or South Park Republicanism, or whatever you want to call it, is such a winning formula--then where are the wins?

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>>28352681
*NO I'M NOT*

/bursts into tears

>>28352732
At least my knowledge of the society I live in extends beyond (a) my own social circle and (b) Wikipedia.

>>28352742
Pretty typical for someone delusional enough to think Jefferson is inevitable.

>>28352742
Scratch that. He's not only ignoring evidence, but also strawmanning HARD.

>>28352753
It obviously doesn't. You've done nothing but use anecdotes.

>>28350726
Mostly because of American gun politics. Now unless you're an American, you can't openly post on this board and you better be an American of the right political leaning or else.

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>>28352753
>Pew directly asked Americans in 1958 what they thought of inter-racial marriage
>no, I know better, I asked my grandpa

>>28352751
Well, people can have their principles, but in a free society, people are free to criticize them.

I'm criticizing Phil for being a willfully ignorant manchild.

>>28352753
Look! An old picture of people doing a thing! This proves he's right. The fact that some people did a thing that wasn't socially acceptable proves that it actually WAS socially acceptable. Not at all that some people just did it anyways.

Wait... People involved in a relationship that wasn't socially acceptable during a given year? Why does that sound familiar...

>>28352785
>you better be an American of the right political leaning or else
Right... you better favor gay marriage and pot should be sold like cigarettes, or crowds of fragile snowflakes will follow you around from thread to thread and repeatedly fag them up. And GUN OWNING CONSERVITARDS are responsible for this. Those damn gun nuts have polarized a, uh... a gun board. Check.

>>28352376
>You going to turn THIS thread into another gay rights bitchfest too?

YOU do this.

And since we're doing this again, I guess it has to be explained to you AGAIN, that same sex marriage is not infringing on your traditional marriage, your church, your values, and least of all your gun rights. AND IT IS ALREADY LAW. AND IT DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. You do not have to marry a dude. The government is not forcing you to suck a dick, and your church does not have to marry anyone they don't want to. Get the fuck over it already. You CANNOT be a supporter for rights for some people and not others. YOU are what's wrong with the public image of gun owners. YOU are just as much of the problem as the people you continually rail against. It's all "muh feelings" with you, and you bring up this shit in every thread whether there's context for it or not. You bring it on yourself. If you're tired of arguing and being angry about stupid shit that doesn't actually affect you, maybe it's time to turn off the computer and go for a walk or something.

>>28352753
Phil! Phil, Phillip. Can you confirm or deny your extended family hates being around you?

>>28352741

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>>28348436

>that last comment

GOING TO NEED A LANDFILL THE SIZE OF WYOMING FOR THIS ONE, BOYS.

>>28352840
>I think the government should let me make my own choices
>HOLY SHIT WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT LETTING THOSE PEOPLE MAKE CHOICES I DISAGREE WITH
>why are people arguing with me about politics
>better keep arguing back and attention whoring with my trip

You are a very silly man.

>>28352687
No, as opposed to having a state House whose members are apportioned based on population and a state Senate whose members are apportioned based on geography. Just like nationally, where Wyoming and Alaska have as many senators as California. Read Phil's Wikipedia article about Reynolds v. Simms, it's quite good.

>>28352696
>I wonder how much mud blood is in your family tree you don't know about
Bruh, my paternal grandmother was Japanese and my paternal grandfather was a signal officer from northern Indiana. (And they had a much better time of it in the US than they did in Japan, incidentally.). I'm not trying to say that racial purity is Utopian or something. But I'm not about to ignore the poll numbers outright, either.

>>28352840
>Gun board.

This thread is Weapons. Not American Gun Politics. Or Homosexual Politics for that matter.

>>28352840
Just a reminder that marijuana is grossly miscategorized as Schedule I (worst it should be at is III, but could be moved to IV, hell, it's still possible to OD on a lot of IV drugs like Ambien) and only there because of 50s era fearmongering.

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>>28352856
Here. Have moar.

>>28352871
I never start these fucking conversations, mang. Ever.

Now let's really ruffle some feathers:

Gay marriage is just another nail in the coffin. Marriage as the bedrock of society is already dead.

The REAL legal blow to the idea of marriage as a long-term commitment for raising children came with the widespread acceptance of no-fault divorce in the sixties.

Come at me /k/ommandoes.

>>28352842
That's his thing, though. He shits up threads so he can sit in his chair and soak up the attention. He was raised very, very poorly. He's the kind of guy that loves attention, positive or negative. He doesn't care which. So he goes thread to thread, posting things he KNOWS will get people riled up, then sits there and does a very poor job trolling, so he can get more negative attention.

See, he's a really shitty person. Probably a couple acquaintances, no real friends, family all hates him, even if they pretend not to when he's around. Because of all this, he can't really get positive attention, he just can't do anything worthy of it. But he knows how easy it is to get negative attention, and to his addled brain, it's just as good as positive attention. So he does this shit on /k/, so he can get his little attention boner. That's all there is to it.

>>28352909
Not going to comment on >>28352852

>>28352915
To be honest, the decline of marriage is only an issue if you're poor.

Middle class and upper class families continue to raise kids with a healthy respect for education, usually in a household with two parents.

It's the working class that's been experiencing social degeneration. Nobody cares, however, because poor people don't matter.

Here's some fun reading on the economics behind it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

>>28352915
>People who have loving, committed relationships and raise children just fine can't get married because their genital configuration makes me feel icky is bad!

>>28352927
He's also like, 26 years old.

>Claims man and woman are required for proper upbringing
>His pathetic home schooled ass is the result

>>28352909

>he thinks you can walk into Wal-Mart and buy a fully-automatic assault rifle

Why do gun control freaks care so much about something they know so very little of? I feel vicarious embarrassment for them.

I don't even know what to say.

>>28352967
Christ. I figured he was around 16, still living with family, and just being edgy, or like 50 with no future, just bitter and lonely.

Damn shame he's wasting the best part of his life being such a hated tool.

>>28352946
>It's the working class that's been experiencing social degeneration. Nobody cares, however, because poor people don't matter.
There's a lot of truth to this--Charles Murray and Robert Putnam have been over it recently, one from the libertarian right and one from the New Deal left.

I do think that the rise of no-fault divorce has potentially increased anomie and isolation in the upper classes as well, but it's not necessarily translating into equally terrible outcomes thanks to high levels of human capital.

And, of course, if widespread support for no-fault divorce emerges--what does it mean that people decide they want it? And if you prohibit it, people will just figure out inefficient ways to put on pageants of adultery or whatever so as to convince judges to let them divorce. The law isn't exogenous.

I blame endocrine disruptors in the water supply.

>>28352954
Did you even read the post?

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>>28352954
Exposing kids to same-sex conduct is not good for them. Full stop.

You could go dig up the stats on STD's, domestic violence, drug use, suicide, how long queer marriages (in Canada, anyway) last, whether or not they stay monogamous, and what happens when you deprive kids of stable role models of both sexes.

You could Google Moira Greyland while you're at it, right before you go find your old copy of The Mists Of Avalon and throw it in the burn barrel.

>>28352992
It's a stick to beat their enemies with. They have imbibed the narcotic power of ideologic hatred, and they want more. Trannies and Arabs and Mexican illegals are sensitive human beings who must be applauded and supported and understood. We? Are evil and should be ploughed under. Because that would make them feel good. Even the act of hating makes them feel good.

I dunno... maybe when you get rid of the old taboos you need to invent new ones.

>>28348436
I always save these to a special file of "people to re-educate"

by "re-educate" I mean gas and dump in an unmarked mass grave

Does this mean I shouldn't even try to get a gun? I'm looking to get first gun and take some concealed carry classes but I won't bother if our politicians are just gonna pull this shit.

>>28353031
>I dunno... maybe when you get rid of the old taboos you need to invent new ones.
Yup. Jonathan Haidt's work on moral foundations gets at exactly this.

>>28353019
No-fault divorce helps bad marriages end amicably. The idea that all marriage has to be permanent and unbreakable is toxic. Should people try to resolve issues before it gets to that point if they can be? Obviously. But sometimes it's just not right.

>>28353019
I have this suspicion that the social factors killing the upper and middle classes in industrialized countries are the same factors that killed the ruling elites in places like Rome and Greece.

Decadence, complacency, and parasitism.

In modern times, it probably helps that starvation, or otherwise death from economic failure, is near nonexistent in industrialized countries, and with modern birth control, sex doesn't have any life-altering consequences any more.

>>28353031
>Hurr, I don't like the gays so nobody should

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>>28350566
>kill people who believe in something
>kill people for owning certain things
>kill people because they do not believe what we believe in

Surely these faggots are around and this one not being the only example. I fear not so much the government as I do these tyrant sympathyzers. Smiling and egging the government goons to kill American civilians.

>>28348398
>live in south IL
It's like the government wants us to run over deer with our cars in the middle of our backyards.

>>28353072
>rustle

If you were considering doing it, I need you to do it.

>>28353049
Get the gun. Get two guns. Join the NRA and another, more extreme, organization of your choice.

I mean, or roll over and play dead, it's up to you.

>>28353058
>The idea that all marriage has to be permanent and unbreakable is toxic.
Uh, well, that's what's under discussion, isn't it? Are we all noticeably happier, now that no-fault divorce is the law of the land? Are college-educated whites reproducing at replacement rates? What if you do the analysis without the Mormons?

I mean, sure, there's an argument to be had, but the mere assertion that marriages ought to be breakable because the people involved don't like each other that much is 1) fairly new historically and 2) subject to considerable argumentation.

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>>28353056
>Jonathan Haidt
/scribbles note

There's what the Greeks called oikophobia, as well.

>>28353072
They're fascists with no teeth. They want to outsource their conservitard gun owner redneck Kristallnacht to the government like they've done all of their other pet causes, from the nature of marriage to health control and jurisdiction over the God damned Internet.

>>28349632
wiw led

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>>28353031
>Having a kid get raised by two gay dudes is the same as forcing them to watch gay porn.

Also, you have still not addressed >>28352929 so I'm re-posting it here

>Phil's christmas with the family

he's 'that' uncle Phil.

>All this time he's been the angry bible thumping uncle with no family of his own and a self imposed crusade on his imaginary injustices in the world.

Makes so much sense, christmas must have SUCKED for his extended family.

>MFW imagining him overhearing his brothers wife saying "Oh god, you invited HIM over for Christmas dinner?"
>"Honey, I know you don't get along, but he's my brother, and you know he doesn't have anywhere else to go"
>"He can eat at his fucking church, you know at thanksgiving he gave me 'the talk' about our son being a fag because he wanted me to buy him a pink 80's graphic shirt at walmart?"
>"Heney he just.."
>"He wanted to preform an exorcism!!"

>>28349840
Unless you live in Ohio/Florda

>>28353104
The idea that hard marriage is anything but an internobility alliance tool is pretty damn new, too.

>>28349077
underrated post of the century

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>>28353144
Hi Saul Alinsky.

/waves

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>>28348398
>implying the governor would even
Jesus Christ. We have no fucking budget and they're pulling shit like this out of their ass?

My state's gov. is full of babies. How do we get them to fix shit instead?

For the love of god can someone tell me what the fuck this means? I'm too dimwitted right now to even form a well written sentence.

>>28353160
So that's a yes?

>>28353160
I love the fact that complete strangers, just based off of your own writing, can pretty much deduce your family situation, and state it back to you accurately enough that it pushes your buttons.

As a side note, I had Christmas with a FtM transsexual.

He would have been dead convincing if it weren't for the voice. Even then, he nearly passed as one of those limp wristed metrosexuals.

>>28353104
the exact same thing is said about arranged marriages. They're actually statistically a happier union than voluntary marriages.

But do you really want to have no say in the matter of who you marry simply because it's statistically more likely you'll be happier?

>>28353182
Honestly? It's a /pol/ shitpost in a bill. Means nothing.

It's really something we shouldn't worry about because the state government is in gridlock. Worse fish to fry.

>>28353182
Garbage meant to make the government shutdown last longer.

IL for worst state.

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>>28353215
80% of divorces are initiated by the woman, IIRC. Who proceed to get, well, everything. Because the laws that predate no-fault, the laws that ensured a man couldn't simply blackmail their wife by threatening her with penury, are still in place.

They ought to be repealed. That would ameliorate a lot of the damage.

>>28353205
You spent Christmas with a woman who sexually mutilated herself through surgery and now cosplays as a guy. I deduce from *your* writings that your life is FUBAR -- and not just on Christmas.

Where were we? Oh, yes. Blue-state fascists and their shenanigans.

>>28353122
>oikophobia
Fear of oiks?

(yeah, I know, it's a greek root--something to do with the home--but http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oik)

Phil, aren't you in Norcal somewhere?

>>28353158
That's a good point, although there is at least a colorable argument that this is in fact sort of how we should think of our marriages as well--you know, good breeding stock, comes from a good family. Clandestine marriages were the norm for Catholic peasantry until the counter-reformation, but IIRC if title to land was involved you needed witnesses. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that historical norms for nobility are in fact relevant to the situation of free people in a Jeffersonian democracy.

>>28353215
>the exact same thing is said about arranged marriages. They're actually statistically a happier union than voluntary marriages.
Yep.

>But do you really want to have no say in the matter of who you marry simply because it's statistically more likely you'll be happier?
Shit, man, I don't know. Probably not, but then again that's not what I was raised with. I bet if I came from a culture where that was normal it wouldn't strike me as a meaningful violation of autonomy.

also, "having no choice" is a bit strong. Most arranged marriages in the first world are more like parental matchmaking, I believe--they find someone suitable, you get to meet them, and you both have the option to say no. Presumably if you do this a lot they'll start turning the heat up on you to get you to say yes. But it's not Borat either.

>>28349860
no, they are the communists, why would they ever point that out about themselves?

commies use "fascism" to label they're enemies regardless if the enemy is an actual fascist or not.

however since fascists are the ones who have the balls to kill commies Im starting to like fascism more and more

>>28353272
Well, it wasn't just that woman.

I think she hasn't done gender reassignment surgery yet. Anyway, she had a better beard than I do, and a better girlfriend.

What'd you do with your holidays?

>implying you have family that still talks to you

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>>28353275
Repudiation of home and hearth. A sort of fascistic desire to tear down everything Old and Evil. Nothing is new under the sun.

And yeah, I'm a Shastacountyfag. Soon to be an Oregonfag I hope. I want to be out of here before Newsom becomes governor. He's a nutcase.

>Most arranged marriages in the first world are more like parental matchmaking
That's what my Hindu and Sikh coworkers told me. No shotgun marriages. Just a parentally-vetted dating service. Not what I'd choose, and not what I'll do. But still, not what we imagine sometimes.

>>28353325
How old are you? 26?

Move to a small town in south central Oregon, you'll be the town racist the pot dealers tell gay clients to CC around.

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>>28348611
>SCOTUS
as if SCOTUS hasn't ever been a useful tool for smashing rights by getting a half dozen appointed lawyers to set precedence across the nation from a single legal case

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>>28353325
Nice, my buddy has a cabin a few miles from Mineral.

>tfw innaBay visiting family
>tfw going back to Shitcago after the holidays
I sure picked a hell of a year to take a job in Chicago.

>>28352992
they care about control.
they normally get that control through manipulation, lying, fear, etc...and because there is a segment of people out there that is ultimately uncontrollable through any means, up to and including force, and who can exert force of their own, then there is a wall that exists preventing complete control.

which is exactly what the second amendment was intended for.

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>>28353364
Jefferson was quoting an Italian jurist, for the record. But yeah.

>>28353422
>which is exactly what the second amendment was intended for.
It's what it's rapidly coming down to, at any rate. Our society is burning through its fat reserves at an alarming rate. Which is by design. Google 'Rules For radicals' and skim it; it'll only take a couple of minutes. Then recall that both Obama and Hillary are Alinksy-trained activists, and shudder.

>>28353477
You know what I really hate? When I agree with you on some stuff, but hate you so much due to your head-in-ass religious values babble that it actually makes me question opinions I hold that align with yours.

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>>28353517
I'm sorry you're so worked up about what a stranger on the Internet thinks.

PS: Those values shaped your civilization and your nation. Maybe you ought to pick up, oh I dunno, the Gospels sometime and read them. Just as literature.

>>28353561
>Implying the founding fathers didn't create a secular government specifically because of how much religious influence fucked up Europe

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>>28353596
'Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.'

– John Adams

They didn't want a Church of America the way England had a Church of England. You're scraping a little too much butter over a little too much bread if you want to claim otherwise.

>>28353561
You're just such an idiot I'm worried anything you agree with might be just as stupid.

And I have looked through the bible, and gone to church. Was a lot of

>Do as I say, not as I do
>Be a good person, help everyone you can, but irrationally hate groups A-L
>My way of peace and love is the only way, and if you walk a different path you'll burn in hell, but peace and love, peace and love
>Confirmation of our supposed values is more important than the real world consequences of those values in action, and anyone that doesn't share them is going to burn in hell
>Something, something, tolerance.
>But only of people like me.

>>28353660
They sure as fuck didn't mean the fundamentalist version of Christianity you're using as a base, which came about in full organizational form in 1919.

>>28353709
Jesus was white and cared a whole bunch about gays

>>28353684
Oh, to be clear

>Pastor or whatever would talk about peace and tolerance
>Every fucker in the pews would be the ones talking about all those people gunna burn in hell for not being in church
>Bible talks even louder about the consequences of not being a deaf blind slave to 'god'

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>>28353719
>Jesus was white
>Aramaic Jewish Rabbi
>White

>>28353561
>Maybe you should learn about modern Christian values.

Shit sonny, I can lay that out in two lines

>Everyone needs to stop being so interventionalist and destructive to the freedom and personal liberty our country was founded on
>By forcing my values and beliefs on them so I don't have to see things I don't like.

It doesn't suprise me Phil is from California, he definitely has a Californian political attitude.