/k/ do you think bio-enhancements/Genetic experimentation to

Depends on which one develops faster and which is easiest to implement

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>be me, yesterday
>using heavy flashlight while sitting
>drops
>lands directly on balls
>In that moment of pain, realization
>If I had a mechanical dick and scrotum
>this wouldn't have happened
If operators had robotic dicks, their combat proficiency could see an increase.

>>28341563
>>28341588
Seeing how we barely have robots that can walk (as in there still pretty damn new) And we already have people getting minor body augmentations, at first it would be enhanced humans. would just take time for robots to catch up and their advantages over humans to be useful enough

>>28341715
Think Black Ops 3

>>28341605
And if russians had robotic dicks they would see an increase in the efficiency and precision of their raping. As it is now their rape is just fucking disgraceful.

I think that some things could only realistically be fixed with genetic modification. Having perfect version, resistance to biological threats, recovery from hearing damage, built-in ability to induce a coma without risky barbiturates. Those kind of things you can use cybernetic parts for, or at least there's nothing remotely feasible now or in the near future.

I don't see human-sized robots being feasible for a hell of a long time.

>>28341765
>Those kind of things you can use cybernetic parts for
*Those kind of things you CAN'T use cybernetic parts for

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>>28341563
>>The argument of Organic vs Machine

Well if you want to go that route, I like to call the resident evil-terminator argument.

On one hand you can breed large numbers of some reptilian ape like humanoid with cheetah speed and claws as sharp as diamonds and send them to kill a bunch of terrorists.

Domesticate it and treat it like an animal. With that being said it opens more windows to create more weird shit, practically play god. As long as you breed them you can have a endless supply. However, you need to take care of it because its a living breathing creature. And you have to take into account for innawoods threats when they accidently escape containment and get into a spooky thread with /k/ommandos. That and you pretty much are outed to having humanoid creatures. That and well ethics up the ass up in this bitch and human rights orgs and god knows how much red tape. Then you got bio enchanced humans. Do you still consider them homo-sapiens or something entirely different? Do they have rights or are they freaks of nature/mutants?

>SF guy equipped with spiderman like powers of climbing walls and shit
>Infantrymen with retractable bear claws
>Sniper with eagle vision
>Mutant CIA agent with skin that turns different colors to blend in with environment
>Navy seals with gills
ETC
Then you got machines, almost the same thing. You can mold them into anything. But you don't need to breed them and you can mass produce a fuck ton of them within a couple months. Don't need to take care of them as much and probably can recycle them. Doesn't require feeding or special attention but maintenance and software upgrades. Can be deployed in any climate realistically and is practically immune to chemicals and any type of dirty warfare. However, whats to say they can replace soldiers and cops and what not; executing orders and situations with better precision. cont'd

>>28341765
>trusting genetic modification that you didn't come up with on your own

Enjoy your children and everyone elses being engineered into a literal slave race. Then all the assholes that think they're superior actually will be because they didn't splice the dipshit gene into their bloodlines.

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>>28341781

Whos to say, you can create a private robot army in the millions and be ready to sick it on your population? Or for that matter program to commit war-crimes and its easy to say

>"Well I didn't program that"

Then you get hit with; "WELL THEN MACHINES ARE TAKING OVER!!"

While that is entirely possible, even creating a "cortana" or "Siri" can have dire consequences especially if you have it leading your "machine army." Once again you're hit with ethics and human rights.

>Using machines to police your neighborhoods
>Machine can do the math and make a 98% probability you will attack it thus it killing you or maiming you pretty bad in the name of safety


Then you got your augmented humans

>Soldier lost his arm and now hes got a bad ass bionic arm with a rifle attachment
>Marine scout snipers right eye is removed and is given a bionic eye for 100% calculation and precision
>Delta force is given augmented knees and legs for faster and dead silent approaches

So now where do these "Augs" or Homo-Mechanist/Cyborg belong in this society? Hes a much more efficient literal killing machine and the general public will eventually want access to these modifications and trans-humanistic features.

Now civilization just went up 200 steps in the violence meter.

The Organic Vs Machine argument is almost infinite. Truly something amazing.

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>>28341798
Bitch please, I only run free and open-source genes

>>28341880
Since the machines aren't at risk of personal injury, they can spam non-lethal weapons all they want. Imagine a dozen pepperspray paintball guns rigged together with a couple of beanbag shotguns firing while a cloud of tear gas is released, which happens right after automatic grenade launchers shoot out a few ten or so flashbangs to disorient the criminal.

Human officers couldn't do that at all but robots could do that all day and not care at all, so I don't think policing machines would actually need to kill at all.

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>>28341781
>>28341880

>MFW the idea of a werewolf like humanoid creature being used by a police force

>MFW a terminator like machine patrolling my neighborhood saying "GOOD MORNING CITIZEN"

Both scenarios are pretty scary.

>>28341905
Every year he looks like more of a faggot.

If we even bio-engineered living weapons, would they have free will? Is there a way to program a living, breathing being? How would they be controlled?

>>28341918

But lets go back to the organics, genetic splicing and experimentation of creating a cheetah speed non-lethal creature.

>Hm lets give it a ant eaters mouth
>Matter of face lets give it photosynthesis too
>OH WAIT LETS GIVE DOG LIKE SENSE OF SMELL


Designed to chase down suspects

or you want something intimidating to quell riots?

>Deploy the flesh beast

>Looks like a decaying corpse
>stands at 7'8
>Its stink glands can emit a tear gas like substance
>Since rioters use Molotov lets give it fire resistance skin
>Equip it with a frog tongue for long range reach for easy arrests
>While you're at it give it echo location for nighttime operations
>Its screeches can cast fear into the suspects all while we're tracking the bastards

You still keep the humans in work but you've given them creatures like you would use dogs or canaries to detect gas.

>>28341971
Same could be said about augmented veterans. How could common police stop a super soldier on a rampage? They could but it be like Rambo first blood

>>28341990

Which comes back to this portion of the argument>>28341880


>>So now where do these "Augs" or Homo-Mechanist/Cyborg belong in this society? Hes a much more efficient literal killing machine and the general public will eventually want access to these modifications and trans-humanistic features.

>>Now civilization just went up 200 steps in the violence meter.

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>MFW this thread has peaked my interest beyond my study session.

I saw an article in a tech magazine years ago about how Nasa(?) was designing new space suits for mars explorers. The idea was to weave material that mimicked human musculature so they could output and withstand extra force with the flexing of the suit.

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>>28341927
What if the terminator looks and sounds like a friendly little girl?

>tfw I'm probably now on a watchlist for searching for little girl robots

>>28342027

Thats even worse, so now you're using a childlike- but machine to tug peoples heart strings.

>"Mister please don't resist arrest"
>People recording a grown man fighting a child-looking machine resisting arrest
>Machine kills man because he pulled his gun
>"HOW DARE YOU USE A CHILDS IMAGE LET ALONE DESIGN IT TO KILL!!!"

But say you set it a non-lethal

Intially nobody would take it serious, however you'd probably create alot more hate towards it.

>Hey man did you hear David got arrested by the machine child cop #32
>The kid cop arrested him?
>yeah things no joke
>No fucking way in hell I'd let that runt touch me

then you'd have people trying to capture or destroy the little things. because for one, its tiny so it shouldn't be hard to get a hold of. That and a small machine like that is beating and arresting people. Thats just going to create more anger, and then you got people bitching for you using a childs image to desensitize people.

>>28342027
>mass-produce loli Terminator
>Easier to market to foreign buyers
>The public (aside from activists) don't care since it's not "scary military tech"
>Blends in and has superb infiltration abilities
>Can program to act like any little girl you would see

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>>28341781
>>On one hand you can breed large numbers of some reptilian ape like humanoid with cheetah speed and claws as sharp as diamonds and send them to kill a bunch of terrorists.


WELL NOW...

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>>28342243

So its either that or this

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>>28342027
except sometimes the sound distorts and it goes back to sounding like a Combine soldier

>Pick up that can

I'm actually interested in writing-drawing something like this, OP

my main storyline deals with people trying to give them human rights and creating a disasterous sprout of violence since they are so conditioned to soldiering they join mercenaries, crime and terrorism as soon as they let them loose.

Then the arms race saturating the world with shitloads of them escalates and everyone has hundreds of terrifying werewolves and bearmen running around shredding people in battle.

>>28341927
you could always give them a friendly voice and apperance, which could turn as soon as someone gets aggresive

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>>28341605
This desu baka senpai

>machines
>with legs
MECHFAGS GET OUT OF /K/!
RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>28341563
>Bio_Organic_Soldier
This seems redundant to me.

>>28344095

It is, OP is using the technobabble meaning of the words.

Anyone know the game 'Vivisector'?

>>28341563
>supersoldier mutants get made
>every movie and game involving them happens
>genetic monstrosities tear through cities and spread farther and farther
>armed forces struggle to properly quell them
>civilians are encouraged to help fight them
>place bounties on the supersoldier mutants to further entice them
>/k/ommandos take to the street in even greater numbers with mishmash arsenals
>Mutant uprising is contained within a month
>Loads a money!
IRL Killing Floor when?

>>28341563
Genetic engineering really is a dead end when it comes to military purposes. Our bodies are already like 95% optimized in terms of how our current capabilities relate to the fundamental limitations of the stuff we're made of.

The toughness of skin is limited by the need for flexibility. The solidness of bones is limited by the space that marrow takes up. The strength of muscles is limited by durability of tendons and ligaments. Endurance is limited by the ability of lungs to oxygenate the blood and hemoglobin to transport that oxygen.

You'll never have a genetically engineered soldier who can survive gunfire without wearing body armor, or travel rapidly over long distances without a vehicle, or accurately fire a heavy weapon on the move. No organic eye will ever see farther than a sniper scope or see better in the dark than night vision goggles. No organic brain will avoid being concussed from a nearby explosion.

Really, all that genetic engineering could realistically deliver is a soldier reliably equivalent to an olympic athlete, and there's only so far that's going to take you on a battlefield dominated by long-range gun battles and explosive ordnance. Genetics is best suited to "quality of life" upgrades like slowed aging, elimination of hereditary diseases, etc., not making a superior combatant.

>>28345369
I call bullshit on that.
Eyes like the one found in octopuses are much sturdier than human's and also lack a blind spot.
Not to mention that some animals can also see in a broader spectrum (IR vision without need of goggles? Already 1-2 lbs and some hundred of dollaridoos saved)

The organs aren't placed in a way fitting for a bipedal creature (holdover from the time we were monkeys and walked on 4 legs), this causes excess strain in the spine.

Just little things, in war every advantage counts

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>>28341781
>>28341880

Why hello /k/

>>28341563
I can't wait for this to be common. I'd really pay a lot of money for this. http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/b-c-doctor-says-perfect-vision-possible-with-bionic-lens-1.2378961

Mechanical augmentation has set limits, namely whatever the human body can sustain. The correct answer is that you would need both to truly achieve perfection as a soldier.

>>28345369
Nature's not about what's perfect, it's about what's good enough.

>>28346074
Bane?

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>>28341563 (OP)

No way.

>Something like that is a hit and miss process, involving humans at some point.
>It leaves them as freaks that have to go through great trouble existing outside the zone of war.
>Machines are more powerful, and will make an ordinary combatant perform better at lower cost.

>>28347230 (You)

Didn't read far enough because search didn't find word "exo" - as in exoskeleton.

>>28341781
>>28341880

Anyways, this so fucking much. You can't rationalize it. You'd rather wear a very special suit than be transformed into an unstable freak with design flaws that affect your lifespan and general happiness - like being mortally wounded by a normal human wearing a suit of powered armor many times stronger than you despite already being many times stronger than an ordinary human being (but unfortunately the military contractors building these machine suits don't give a fuck and see your kind as weak lumps of flesh you still remain despite all the best efforts at genetic engineering).

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yeah, we have a "cyborg" future. it's not like biological and mechanical research isn't actively being pursued

we have genetic screening now and limited chromosome correction. no one wants to have a defective child; at least anyone that can afford otherwise. eventually, humanity will be better breed

with that we're going to enhance ourselves for 'device' free telecommunication. 4chan in your head all day erry day or probably just better health monitoring

i don't think radical enhancements like artificially muscle implants, multiple organ redundancies, extra limbs will catch on much outside of counter culture kids

hell, for bio-enhancement we already have HGH and blood doping. can't wait to get some Respirocytes

>>28341605
A handsome young cyborg named Ace, wooed women at every base, but once ladies glanced at his special enhancement, they vanished with nary a trace.

>>28341563
The same man machine interface tech for controlling motors can control muscle. So best of both worlds. Vat grown muscle suits. Power armor should be run off nutrient pods and electric pulses flexing a living body suit of pure muscle.
As crazy as it sounds growing slabs of electronically controlled muscle would be more cost effective than a servo factory.

>>28341563
Depends, but normally machines are cheaper and don't have feelings you need to waste money to suppress with drugs or provide PTSD counselling.

Machines can also be repurposed much more easily compared to gene mods and used by civilians, while gene mods will be more government controlled in order to prevent misuse of "military grade" modifications. Overclocking the human body via gene mods is also another risk as parts of a machine can be easily replaced but not that of a human.

Consider a modern example in media that is XCOM enemy within, where you have the option to chop up your troops and let them interface with powered armor or gene mod them to get them physically on par with the ayylmaos you fight. You can let SGT Scotty McScott become a metallic behemoth launching grenades from his shoulder mounted grenade launcher, firing a huge railgun at aliums or punching the shit out of alium war machines with a rocket assisted fist, otherwise grow him a second heart to give the medics more time to save him when critically wounded, let him emit aggression pheromones to jack up his comrades or increase the density of his leg muscles, allowing him to leap up buildings in a single bound

Personally I'm in favor of mechanical augmentations, as dismemberment is a thing and regrowing limbs would be more expensive and time consuming than neural interfaced prosthetics. Cyborg augmentation would also include communication upgrades such as artificial eyes with built in HUDs, built in status monitors to let fellow soldiers and HQ track the condition of deployed units, or even "technopathy" that allows drone operators to look through a drone's camera directly and control it with brain signals. Gene mods have more potential to produce physically stronger soldiers but modern warfighting wise augs have it beat in utility and increasing coordination, the lack of which being a huge bane of modern warfare

>>28345694
>>28345694
>>28345694
>Eyes like the one found in octopuses are much sturdier than human's
Cuttlefish and humans are separated by hundreds of millions of years of evolution. The last common ancestor of the two lineages existed back radial symmetry was cutting edge. Our organs are not plug-and-play compatible, even with all the promises that the CRISPR/CAS9 tards will try to sell you.

>The organs aren't placed in a way fitting for a bipedal creature
This isn't something you're going to fix overnight via some rinkydink gene knockout. Re-organizing organs is a major developmental undertaking, which we barely understand, let along have the first idea of how to engineer. We're closer to having surgical solutions to this problem than a genetic solution.

>>28347230
>>28348421
>>28348988

But you have to take this into account for cybernetic humans>>28341990

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>>28349911
you know how most can't own automatic weapons or drive construction vehicles down the street? they'll have the same laws for cybernetics when they get that good
>no private citizen needs a grip strength of 4k psi
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
so, the only people abusing their implants will be criminals, because doing so would be illegal

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>>28341918
This is a very good point I hadn't thought of. There's little reason to equip a robot cop with a deadly weapon since protecting itself from harm is a low priority. Put a pepper spray canister in one arm and a beanbag shotgun in the other arm and you're set.

>>28341982
>"deploy the flesh beast"
>frog tongue for long reach
>pic related

>>28343387
Probably something like the bots in Chappie. They probably wouldn't design them to be particularly intimidating or friendly looking, just functional. There would probably be special riot models/attachments to make them look like sleek black assassinbots or something.

>>28345694
The problem with saving hundreds of dollaridoos by not needing IR goggles is that you had to spend thousands of dollars on the eye enhancement. It would be cheaper to just put the money into making gear lighter to shave off that 1-2 pounds.

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>>28341563

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>>28350060

Deus ex says other wise

>>28348846
Robotic skeleton holding a life support system for the suit of electronically controlled vat grown slabs of muscle. A bio digester fuel system running the whole thing off anything digestible/compostable. Soulless super soldiers, robotic controlled muscles. Suck it animal/human rights activists.

Who says a genetic monster needs a biological brain or ever needs to be a person or animal. It just takes a cellular sample, nutrients and a clean bag to grow in. Same tech to run prosthetics can be reversed to run muscles.

This means you can build a "creature" to any specs you want. Man shaped to elephant, program it like an AI assistant or drive it like a truck. No psychological BS, train and update your soldiers with a thumb drive in seconds, and feed them the fallen without complaint or moral crap.

Now we robo Orks.

Thinkaboutit...

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Why not both?

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>>28352759
well, shit, if a video game by Canadians says so then it must be true

>>28350781
>chappie
>robot with legs
Hello mechtard, shitting up /k/ as usual I see