ROC versus PRC

>>28329583
I give them a week nowadays. PRC has too much air superiority versus the 300 fighters of Taiwan and their 20 SAMs.

If the power balance shifts anymore, Taiwan's de facto independence gets less and less survivable.

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>>28329583
How can PRC set up for an invasion without the US knowing?

>>28329583
Probably not long. Doesn't the US have military bases on Taiwan, though? You think they could hold long enough for the US to help them?

Anyone have pics of their new catamaran corvettes?

>>28330179
We haven't since the late '70s, but we have the 7th fleet based out of Japan that can probably hold off until help arrives.

The ROC cannot even defeat the Philippines, yet alone China. It is the earnest belief of Filipinos that their country can defeat Taiwan with ease.

>>28330179
>You think they could hold long enough for the US to help them?
I'm fairly certain the US would through Taiwan under the bus and wouldn't lift a finger to help if it meant keeping relations level with the PRC.
That being said, the amount of frothing rage from Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, and just about every other country in the region that an annexation would cause could eventually bring the US into a conflict

>>28331721
>two shitty islands duking it out
I'd pay money to see that. Flips think they can take on anyone.

>>28331795
just let me see the m60,m16a1, and m14 porn lads.

>>28331795
flips can't even kill milfs, what the fuck are they supposed to do against an actual first world military?

Gotta give them props for still using M1 carbines and ww2 equipment though

>>28331721
The Philippines don't even have fucking fighter jets.

>>28329583
Upgraded M60s vs Upgraded Chink Tanks from the 50s.

>>28330136
They can't. It would have to be paratroopers, for a multitude of reasons. One, the Taiwanese coast is fucking awful. China would need to use a lot of cruise missiles to hit targets, and that's without a US CSG wrecking shit. Also, very hard to use shock and awe on people who's entire military doctrine is based on you attacking them.Small beaches, if they are even there, or there is a sheer cliff. Next, the PRC doesn't have the capability for an amphibious assault. Then, there's the whole issue of Taiwan using everything they could as AAA to down as many chinese as possible.

China's best bet is using a fuckton of cruise missiles and air strikes to catch Taiwan off-guard, but Shock and Awe probably isn't the best approach to attack people who are seemingly anticipating an invasion.

>>28331813
So what you're saying is the Philippines is another source of M1 carbines? When are they gonna upgrade to AR-15s and send them over here?

>>28331838
For a country that's always anticipating invasion, they sure do allow a lot of Chinese citizens to travel there. How many spies/saboteurs do you think China has sent?

>>28331773
The PRC is more of that bad relationship you want to break, not some mutually beneficial partnership. I don't think U.S. would be so reluctant to drop its bad habbit. Yes the U.S. wouldn't want to be dragged into a major war sure but loosing China wouldn't hurt so much. They're protectionist as fuck anyway, and constantly steal IPs so them I doubt the U.S. will miss all of yhe business it wasn't really getting anyway.

>>28331813
>Taiwan
>first world

There are only three developed, reliable US allies in the Pacific: Japan, Australia and the Philippines. Taiwan and South Korea are Chinese stooges.

>>28331871
>>28331721
Fucking asshole.
So how many cents do you wish to earn today Mr. Liu?

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China wouldn't even need to lift a finger.
This is not the US here. There is no nationalistic patriotism, only selfish, greedy bastards.
The minute something happens the public is going to flip its shit and we would descend into civil war.

>>28331883
>implying you can refute this

In what way are Taiwan and Worst Korea not China-leaning? Retard

>>28331883

Spotted the buttblasted Taiwanese

>>28331861
Spies, plenty. Saboteurs? Probably less, I'd imagine the ROC tries to keep them good and away from Military installations.

As well as they can for fitting 20m people onto like 1/3 of the island, which is the same size as Kyushu, the smallest of the 4 main Jap islands, with twice as many people.

>>28331894
I believe the Taiwanese party currently in power is pro China. I'm not sure though, haven't really kept up with east asian politics.

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>>28331838
>The Philippines don't even have fucking fighter jets.
>implying

It may be the best, but it is certainly better than the 1970s and Slavshit rejects in use by most of Southeast Asia

>>28331871
I don't know about militarily, but when I visited Taiwan their cities were much nicer than China's. Definitely not third world.

>>28331871
>>28331894
Fuck you. China steals from us, not the other way around.
>>28331861
It's actually quite easy for us to tell locals from Chinese, although yes, the government is probably 90% spies.
>>28331721
They did manage to kill some Taiwanese fishermen with their top-of-the-line gunboats a couple of years ago.
>>28331913
This is true. The ruling party is also going to cease ruling in a couple of months.
>>28331838
>Shock and Awe probably isn't the best approach to attack people who are seemingly anticipating an invasion.
It is actually mandatory to learn about our doctrines and what to do in case of a Chinese invasion in middle school

>>28331913

The current ROK and ROC governments are both pro-China. So it is only natural that anti-China countries like Japan and the Philippines should also ally.

>>28331813
>flips can't even kill milfs
damn right they can't. milfs are for fucking not killing.
>>28331795
>I'd pay money to see that. Flips think they can take on anyone.
don't you know they are the most powerful race?

>>28331916
Are your elections coming up, then? I'm interested to know what the political climate is like there.

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>>28331916
China, Taiwan, what is the difference. You're all the same Han chauvinist mentality with disregard of international laws, sovereignty, morals and human dignity.

>>28331916
>China steals from us

Ya, they have stolen a lot, especially US military secrets, because Taiwan is full of easily-corrupted traitors who can be bought by China.

Typical Chinese mentality at work once again

When I was a kid I grew up playing airsoft, and all the hills surrounding Taipei were filled with artillery installations.

For an invading Army, Taiwan is rocky, mountainous, and has been fortified for half a century. It's urban and rural population is partriotic, intelligent, and physically strong.

Taiwan's been responsible for production of most high tech electronics for the last 30 years, and their electronic warfare capabilities were proven with faster response than Japan and American to NK launches.

All in all, Taiwan would put up a great fight against the filthy communist hoardes.

The notion that Philipines, with no Navy, no Air Force, and a pathetic Army stood up mostly be American "advisors" is anywhere equivalent is LAUGHABLE.

Fuck off Jungle asian, go pimp your little brown women on the street to sex tourists.

>>28331929
>implying taiwan is all chinks
I met the local indigenous taiwanese. They were all pretty cool, basically chilled, ate nuts that stained their mouths red, and hunted boar with muzzle loaders. Interestingly they're all christians for some reason.

>>28331773
Wouldnt throwing taiwan under the bus pretty much make all the rest of the nations in the east pacific froth at the mouth over the US inaction and throwing an ally to the sharks vs. the very same exact foe that all these countries are up against?
Or are you going to say they dont matter?

Can China even take Taiwan without destroying half the island in the process? Seems pointless to take over a half destroyed island.

>>28331992
No, they can't.

>>28331902
>>28331894
Regarding
>>28331883
Fuck, my bad.

>>28331871
>Philippines
>first world

No.

>>28331927
We have our elections roughly the same time as yours (Chinese ancestry acting up again I guess).
Politics here is basically highly educated people flinging feces at each other and the occasional senatorial brawl.

>>28331929
Someone's obviously oblivious of a lot of things.

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>>28331914
Hggnnnn, dat camo pattern.

>>28331947
You realize the chinese dont have liberal cucks back in their homes breathing down their ruling party's necks, right?
In other words, i wouldnt be surprised if they just scorched the whole place. I mean, what in the fuck will the west do? Sanction them? You mean cut off all our low cost manufacturing base?

Other than a war weary US, who else is going to take up arms and start a war over Taiwan? This isnt an organized and well equiped military vs. sandniggers again. You start a mainland war with China, you buckle up because it'll be a fucking war.

>>28332025
Well if the US does get dragged into a war with China, the entirety of NATO is going to be dragged in along with it.

What allies does China have? Best Korea?

>>28332025
This. Taiwan is full of soft, liberal Strawberry Generation weaklings like >>28332000 and >>28331947, who are not like the tough, corrupt KMT gangsters of their grandparent's generation. Most of them earnestly believe, like the umbrella retards in Hong Kong, that they can defeat the Chinamen by making themselves appealing to the hipster BLM types in the West who won't life a figure to save them when the Pandas come.

There are no men in Taiwan, only women. Soon, even their President will be a woman.

The Philippines shits all over Taiwan and their antiquated 1970s air force and WW2 navy.

>>28332056

did a Taiwanese touch you when you were little or something

>>28332025
>start a war over Taiwan
Probably every Eastern Asian nation that will feel threatened, which will pretty much be all of them and maybe a couple that might think to get a couple extra sq. km of sea rights.

>mainland war with China
The goal isn't boots on the ground in Beijing, the idea is to drain the PRC long enough until they sue for peace, which would be a giant bother to do but possible.

>>28332056
Regarding
>>28331883
>>28332000
I'm actually a Flip, and I fucked up hard with my posts.

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>all this infighting between democratic countries while a commie horde is putting up islands near them

>>28331950
Damn rock used to belong to the dutch

>>28332056

共產黨鬼子,滾開。

>>28329583
Long enough for the US to show up.

Unless they get cold feet like 'Nam and not send support.

>>28332130
Kraco put your phone away.

Depends how long it would take the PRC to muster their troops, Taiwan would never survive an invasion, and the US would take weeks/months to arrive in significant force

>>28331838
>muh beachs
Why would anyone ever amphibious invade a beach? Thats not how wars happen
You invade a PORT, which taiwan has tons of.
Also they could drop like 4 divisions of paratroopers

>Next, the PRC doesn't have the capability for an amphibious assault.
They have vehicles that'll just swim across the strait. And ton's of container ships for fast deploying after a port is seized.

>>28332056
> corrupt KMT gangsters
muh maoist propaganda

>>28331914
>a trainer
>a fucking trainer

Kek it can't even hold its shit against a Gripen (the least capable 4th gen fighter in SEA). Singapore have buttloads of F-16s and more than 40 F-15s, Malaysia has Su-30s and in the process to buy up to 40 Typhoons while Indonesia have more than 40 Su-30s (+the additional Su-35)

I really hope those filthy, godless commies rip a new hole in flipland, just like I'm abusing my flip whore....sorry, "maid" here

>>28331871
Half-flip with family in the Philippines here, you're a massive retard. When I visited I saw soldiers equipped with 'Nam-era gear including M16A1s with fucking 20-round mags. I would love for your statement to be true, but you are massively overstating the current capabilities of the Filipino military.
>>28331914
They only bought 12 so far dumbshit

>>28331871
>>28332197
pinoys are an 80 iq brown shithole
They aren't a "developed country", probably not much of a reliably ally either.

>>28332214
Well from my visit and having half a family being Filipino, I'd say a large part of the problem is
>inherent corruption that is crippling in how expansive it is
>Fear of a return to Marcos means weak leaders
>Military that used to be somewhat decent in the Cold War severely stagnated when no one thought to continue upgrading it into the modern day, a problem that is only partially solved by the AFP modernization act (which has lofty goals but moves at a somewhat sluggish pace)
>Forever having problems with the fucking Moros
>Economy gets better overall but the job market remains mostly stagnant
Filipinos can fight and probably would back us if it came to war (the older generation practically worship MacArthur and the old anti-communist presidents like Magsaysay), its just that under the current circumstances that would be a very poor move. The abundance of dated equipment is a crippling handicap and needs to be rectified in the near future with anything close to new stuff. What would help the overall situation is if someone like Lee Kuan Yew became the president of the Philippines, but like I previously mentioned too many people would fear a return of a Marcos-like dictator. Personally I think the Philippines is getting better as a country, but its taking a long damn time. There's talk of re-opening the US naval base at Subic Bay, but I'm not sure how that will pan out.

>>28332261
The average IQ of the phillipines is 80
Whereas the average in a white country might be 105
This makes a huge pervasive difference.

>>28332261
I'm not sure how a country can be under equipped when it comes to modern firearms. Why hasn't your government asked the US for cheap/free modern equipment? They give that shit out to allies like it's candy.

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>>28332271
IQ isn't everything, and more Filipinos are going to school and getting degrees. However, a lot of them are coming into a job market that isn't very big. It's a work in progress from what I saw
>>28332285
>your government
I'm American, I just have family over there and visited for a while. And the US government does give them shit from time to time, but I'm with you in that I thought that they'd give the AFP more shit. The vast majority of the Filipino military's gear is American surplus, so it would stand to reason that they'd start getting more modern stuff soon (at least that's the hope). Problem is a lot of that surplus that's currently in use is from different periods, resulting in mismatched kit like pic-related. However, the level of equipment also depends on the unit. When I visited the Flip equivalent of the White house, the Presidential Guard had plate-carriers and more modern stuff. The same is true also for Special Forces and some other special units, but its slow in coming to the rest of the AFP.

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>>28332316
And this is the upper-end of equipment in the AFP, pictured during the siege of Zamboanga a few years back, which was handled pretty well by all accounts.

>>28332316
Well I hope they start modernizing too, if only so they can ditch their old weapons. I pray for the days of cheap WW2 milsurp to return.

>>28332347
It's not like the US has any milsurp useful for the phillipines nowadays
Maybe if you guys wanted another 1000 m113's or something.

Perhaps in a couple years they'll be trying to sell off all the useless strykers.

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>>28332347
>hope they start
They have started
>buying M4s to replace 'Nam-era M16s
>starting to buy body armor sets
>Bought the 12 Korean jet trainer/fighters, will probably buy more (I would hope they buy more stuff for their air force in the way of logistics and CAS)
>Started the acquisition of Augusta AW109s for the Navy, and eventually the army will use them to replace all the Hueys in service (or so I've heard)
>Bought some Israeli 155mm artillery pieces
>are looking into SAMs and Anti-Ship missiles
>Navy bought some South Korean modern frigates
However, I will admit that this isn't the sweeping changes that are desperately needed. The Filipino Navy needs more ships, the Air Force needs an assload more modern jets, the Army needs more modern vehicles, etc. Hopefully with China rising some of the asshole politicians will finally make some changes and speed the modernization along, but right now its not looking too good.

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>>28332181
>You invade a PORT, which taiwan has tons of.

The Dieppe Raid called, it wants to say you're a fucking idiot. Attacking fortified ports, where the defenders have all of the advantage, is the LAST thing you want to do. At least on a beach you can hit them where their defenses are the weakest.

>Also they could drop like 4 divisions of paratroopers

Unless they can seize an airport rapidly and intact, and transport planes can get past Taiwanese AA, they'll quickly get killed off due to lack of reinforcement. The German invasion of Crete, even though it was a German victory, showed how badly dropping paratroopers willy nilly on a hostile island can end up.

>>28332433
The german invasion of crete showed that you need to drop your paratroopers with their weapons in hand & ready to go.
It was also a success.

>At least on a beach you can hit them where their defenses are the weakest.
You need a port for the same reason you need an airport
You can't land cargo ships on a beach.
It only worked on D-day because they floated their own harbor/pier across the channel.
Inchon was directly seizing a port.

Taking an empty beach 1000 miles away from anyone else is meaningless.
Also since the US scrapped the LST's with no replacements, they can't actually invade from a beach either.

Dieppe being a fuckup has to do with a lack of armor, lack of bombardment, lack of firesupport and just not using enough men.
Apparently officers throughout WW2 sought to reenact WW1 by doing infantry charges into machineguns.

>>28332433
>When the tanks eventually arrived only 29 were landed. Two of those sank in deep water, and 12 more became bogged down in the soft shingle beach.[7] Only 15 of the tanks made it up to and across the seawall.[7] Once they crossed the seawall, they were confronted by a series of tank obstacles that prevented their entry into the town. Blocked from going further, they were forced to return to the beach where they provided fire support for the now retreating infantry.

No wonder the raid didn't succeed.
That's not a warning against attacking fortified ports, its a warning against being entirely unprepared to do so.

>>28332376
After Binay comes into office, all of that will not be paid.

>>28331773
The position of every single other country in the region is that Formosa is an integral part of China. Nobody would lift a finger or say anything. The bigger issue is that there are STILL factions in the PLA which would support the nationalist Taiwanese which makes an invasion a political non-starter and the retaking of the island would more than likely glass the whole fucking place negating any success.

China has enough Anti ship missiles to sink Taiwan.

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>>28331721
>The ROC cannot even defeat the Philippines,
Of course not. They have the based /k/ ship.

>>28332487
Hang on there. Arent the commies planning such floating harbours? I recall a thread on here about that topic.

>>28332316
The guy second to the left is really sad.

>>28332564
I don't think thats necessary when you could just blitz a port with 100k men.

If the US was otherwise hung up somewhere, the chinks could easily do it.

>>28332582
>the one guy on the far left that has an m16a1

>>28331929
>chauvinist mentality with disregard of international laws, sovereignty, morals and human dignity.
That perfectly describes American foreign policy

>>28332584
>I don't think thats necessary when you could just blitz a port with 100k men.

No way the Chinese could hide a buildup like that from the US and no way the US wouldn't warn Taiwan ahead of time.

>>28332718
>If the US was otherwise hung up somewhere

And keeping track of troops in a country of 1 billion+ people is very difficult.

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>>28332330
That's actually the Police SAF (Special Action Force). Which is like a militarized branch of the Philippine National Police Force.

I can tell because 1) I'm a Flip and 2) Police have their distinct Camouflage.

Bolis outside the relatively safe North/Central Philippines have long been armed in a paramilitary fashion in the Philippines. A cunt in a blue uniform with a service pistol just asks to be hit by rebels with assault rifles and machine guns. So no regular beat cops for insurgentland.

The best post of /k/ all nations against commie assholes for every filipino here i advised vote mayor duterte he's ideals are Marcos era but More Brutal and sorry /k/ if i posted political related but it's for the sake of my country to defend it self against commie assholes....
Para kay Inang bayan at Demokrasya at kalayaan

連日邦韓
係馬交菲
打擊共匪
東亞大榮

>>28332949
I don't speak Korean, nip nong ping pong.

>>28332952
S'fine I typed it for the Asians here

>>28332860
Kababayan, isa lang masasabi ko sa iyo.
>LURK MOAR
I am currently conflicted with having Mayor Duterte for president.
Pros:
>gunfag
>remove criminal scum
>pretty operator to be honest kapamilya
>Big guy overall
Cons:
>Close to commies
>no more firecrackers(my life is pain)

>120 IDF F-16/F15 clusterfucks

When did Taiwan get fighters from Israel?

China probably has a 5th colume of commie sympathizers hidden in Tiawan. In the event of a war, they will launch sabotage attacks against key infrastructure and spread misinformation. The first thing Tiawan needs to do is arrest every kmt supporter and shoot them. America could loan tiawan one of their aircraft carriers. i know tiawanese, they are very smart people, they can probably use it better than americans can.

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>>28334263
I think he's talking about the FC-1, the fighter that Taiwan made themselves.

>>28332733
>>28332718

There are some few screws that start moving before big country starts war. Rather then looking military buildups they look for chinese selling foregin assets and buying supplies like oil, gold and food. The last thing before invasion is probably building huge hospitals/taking medical personel near target. Unlike Russia that went apeshit in Ukraine, China waits the moment untill america is offically done and can only deeply concern when china is taking everything east of china.

>>28331883
I am a curry and I'd like to say this.
POO
IN
LIU.

>>28332560
Are.....
Those all CWIS or bofors?

>>28330136
Looks like your average chink propaganda of the old except of the use of American-made stuff

Chink will copy from everyone, even another chink

>>28334485

No it's older than that,mang.

Those are WWII-era 3 inch gun

>>28334657
Someone sounds asshurt in general.

But I don't understand why.

Just chill dink-bro. All you asians are the same anyways.

>>28332546
>The bigger issue is that there are STILL factions in the PLA which would support the nationalist Taiwanese

Wat

>>28332040
No. No it will not. NATO does not work like that.

Iraq ring a bell?

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>tfw the PLAN has commissioned 51 (Fifty-One) surface combattants in the 3 years (2013-2015)

And this excluding submarines.

They have at least the same number of ships launched and/or under construction at this moment.

The moment Taiwan gets taken by the Chinese, literally hundreds of warships and submarines will break through the containment chain and roam freely within the West Pacific, contesting naval supremacy from the USN.

>>28337053
>roam freely within the West Pacific
That would literally be begging to start a war that would be disastrous and costly for both sides all in the name of what? Dick waving and some petrol reserves?

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>>28337171
Securing trade lines.

Even though though the USN (still) does a great job in securing Chinese SLOC as well, it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth of a rising power to still have to rely on the mercy of the established power to control the vital sea-lanes of trade, threatening to choke it up at any moment.

Also, without breaking into the WestPac and imprisoned behind over 9000 SOSUS and ASW networks running from Japan down to the Philippines, China cant conduct reliable deterrence patrols with their SSBN and hence enjoy no MAD with the US. This, together with the threat of having one's life-lines choked by the world police, is a status that no independent power would ever accept. If the US was in the same position, they as well would strive to do the same as China (and they did, in the 19th and 20th century).

>>28332546
>>28334827
Go on..

>>28337266
Trade between the countries are important and as the market grows it is becoming ever more important but still the main purchaser of goods is the US and to a lesser extent Europe. Any hostilities to US interests is asking for embargoes and for an export dependent country and import dependent in terms of food that is a very bad idea. The US looks to China becasue of the cost, not becasue it is unable to manufacture for itself.

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>>28337266
China's basically a Dragon being imprisoned in a cage. It cant break free at the moment, but it has identified a promising weak-point, aslight deformation in a single metal bar of his cage, so to speak. So, now the monster still keeps calm and gathers strength, preparing to unleash hell the moment this single bar breaks and sets him free.

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China could just pull the plug on them economically.
Seize all Taiwan owned businesses in China, freeze all their accounts, shut down their semiconductor industry, etc.
Once the taiwanese see their currency hit triple digit inflation, they'd probably fold.

Now if it has to be a shooting war, without US intervention, 2 weeks.
With proper US preparation, maybe indefinitely.

>>28337954
the taiwanese are a lot less dependent on the PRC than you imagine

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>>28331921
>anyone actually wanting flips as an ally

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>>28331929
As much as I think flips are monkeys, this guy's right.
All you taiwankers:
Your all chinks in my eyes.
My country had the misfortune of letting in a bunch of you fuckers during the '95-96 incident and we've been listening your bitching and moaning since. You fuckers try to shoehorn it into every discussion that your shit island is a country.
No, we don't care about taiwan.
No, you're not recognised as a country.
No, I won't donate to your stupid cause.

For the last time, you look the same, sound the same, your all chinks

see that map, taiwan is a island that belongs to china. shut up and go away already

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>>28331947
>taiwan fuckbois
>stronk

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>this is supposed to be the goverment that leads taiwan to victory over the reds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l8jWHXodQ0

>>28332167
fuck you yellow nigger

>>28337954
>China being able to do any of that
Here's your 50 cents Wang Bung Dong

>>28334301
KMT supporters is like half the country.
Then China can invade to "save" the people and no one will lift a finger to stop them.

give this retard a gold star

>>28338259
It's not like the US hasn't had its fair share of parliamentary fights. Too bad they've fallen to the wayside, historical account of them sound pretty entertaining.

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>>28329583

Hey don't hate on the Ching-Kuo, it's not a bad bird

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>>28332185

The KAI FA-50 is more than capable of holding its own against slav shit and monkey models in the region while being fairly affordable. It has a modern Elta radar, BVR capability and is supersonic.
I would put it on par with MLU F-16s in terms of capability.

Don't worry SEA if Americans don't help you India the rising superpower will absolutely destroy China. We'll go so far as to use Thermonuclear weapons on China as an intimidation tactic.

Bet you feel like licking my generous feet now.

lol

bumpity

The Chinese internet defence force is out today.

>muh honour
>muh numbers
>muh sleeping dragon

>>28337317
In the PLA there are still factions which view the resolution of Formosas status as a diplomatic issue. Obviously the ruling family of the ROC has done nothing to help this, but there are groups of officers who believe that a military fight against fellow Chinese is not just or right (it doesn't hurt that there are some officers who are related at least distantly to ROC officers) This is what has kept the conflict from boiling over for so long, otherwise hardline Hawks in the PLA would have kicked in the ROC's shit 15 years ago right after the Hong Kong handover.

>>28329583
Longer than you think. China has no ability to land a large force on the island.

>>28337402
How adorably deluded.

>>28337053
It's like you openly ignore every other country in the region and the fact that they're all arming up with anti-ship defenses.

>>28339886
China literally couldn't have taken Taiwan 15 years ago.

>>28337317
This is going to blow your fucking mind too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Committee_of_the_Kuomintang

Mind the wiki link, but China still seats a form of the KMT in its legislative body thing.

>>28337344
Unilateral (NATO) embargoes that are not accepted by other countries are a declaration of war on more than just China, amigo. So we might be able to stop trade with China for our allies, but the other nations will eat up those higher prices.
Similar to the EU/America sanctions on Russia.

China also imports food because it's much cheaper. It can produce enough rice and grains for itself.
China is no Iraq that will be completely isolated. China is no Russia with little agricultural land or manufacturing base.

>The US buys from China because of cost and not because we can't do it ourselves
As of recently, I would disagree. We've lost a whole lot of our manufacturing capability. Especially in the lower end region. For example we buy most of our steel, semiconductors, and parts from China now.

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>>28338011
75% of their economy is trade. Of that China is about 35%.

Most Taiwanese investment is in China.

I disagree that economic isolation will somehow destroy Taiwan. The US and IMF would provide help and it would cause many problems for foreign investment in China.

>>28339950
They could have. They would have needed to sacrifice large amounts of human life to do so but it could have been done.

Unless China has a near constant stream of amphibious craft landing the beaches in combination with steady airborne troop drops. I'd say less than two weeks. But that's if everything goes perfectly and Taiwanese airfields and naval defenses are rendered inoperable.

>>28338408
It is good for being done by the Taiwanese without much US help.

But it's worse than their block 20 F-16's so I call it a clusterfuck.

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>>28340007
>Unilateral embargoes that are not accepted by other countries are a declaration of war

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>>28338480
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAA

>>28340093
No, it couldn't have. They had zero chance of successfully invading Taiwan at the time because the island had much more explicit international military backing at the time. And China's military was entirely a Soviet rustbucket instead of just mostly a Soviet rustbucket.

>>28339026
We prefer if you guys just mobilize near their border and send strongly worded concerned letters.

Nukes are not worth Taiwan. If Indians want to recieve the streetshitter genocide (the rest of the world secretly wants) they can get it.

>>28339918
The Taiwanese military said 3 weeks in 2008 with US help. I said that in OP.

>>28339940
Yeah and with what will they fire those missiles?
ASEAN is so underarmed we have to fear monger against China and talk abou China's military just to get them to buy a few more missiles, let alone actual modern ships or planes.

>>28340115
Stopping Pakistan from trading with China by force is an act of war.

>>28329583
Wouldn't happen, Taiwan heavily invests in China as a trader and Taiwan itself has a large presence on the global economy. If anything China wants a slow and peaceful reclamation.
China could take Taiwan in 1 weeks, 2 weeks tops if it came down to it. Whether or not they could hold it is another story and deal with the retaliation is unlikely.

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>>28340205
>by force

>>28338480
>deluded as fuck

>>28340141
They haven't had any implicit backing since the 1970's. Everything since the thaw has been entirely on the PRC to not fuck up the ROC and they haven't touched them because the population would eventually come around to reunification. Or don't you remember how the United States was the last major country to recognize the ROC?

>>28340239
How else would you do it?

That's what I said in my original post. An embargo by force.

>>28329583
Thanks for the decent thread.

I just want to repeat something from my original post. Taiwan's military said they would last 3 weeks in 2008 with America's help. That's before the PRC modernized greatly.
I can grab the citation if needed.

Ignoring the shitposts, I gather that Taiwan would now lose air superiority in the first few days, then lose most of their navy by the weekend, and by the end of week 2 the PRC would have beat Taiwan on the ground and forced a surrender.
At the same time by the end of week one America would be in full force with our CBG, Japanese-based, and Korean-based forces. This would lead to the PRC's real challenge because the PRC would have lost a sizeable amount of their most modern forces by then.

Eventually the US and PRC would be duking it out navally and aviation-wise over the East China Sea. The Chinese would be unable to attack US forces on the ground in Japan and Korea out of fear of these allies being forced into the fight.
The end result would be a PRC Taiwan, but the Mainland (and world) in shambles economically and politically.
This explains why the PRC is trying the peaceful economic union route to slowly drag Taiwan back into the fold instead of force. Hopefully that will remain the same.

>>28339940
It's like you think every other country in the region wants to oppose China.

>>28339026
Eating curry before pooing at the border so the smell wafts over doesn`t count as a thermonuclear weapon, pajeet

The bottom line is nuclear weapons. China considers taiwan to be an existential issue. A redline so to speak that they will use nukes to defend. Even though the US has more nukes than China, the PLA nukes are believed to be cobalt jacketed and explicitly for counter value.

>>28340864
>PLA nukes are believed to be cobalt jacketed

I could also believe that eating albino children gives me immortality that doesn't make it particularly true. The ramifications of using nukes, much less deliberately creating fallout is the wide scale glassing of China. Russia might ally with them but the chances of this ending poorly for them is incredibly high.

>>28341027
Why is that hard to believe? If you are going for countervalue, why wouldn't you salt it for better deterrent value. This isn't a fight they can win, but one that they drag the US down with them.

>>28341027
>Russia might ally with them
You know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?

China hates Russia almost as much as it hates the KMT, there's no way in hell the two of them would just buddy up in a war so they can pull a fast one on the US

>>28331871
>Phillippines
>developed
..........................LOL

>>28339980
shit, China KMT is prob bigger than taiwan KMT

>>28338148
>please don't have an opinion that doesn't automatically agree with mine

Doesn't the contents of the Taiwan Relations Act pretty much ensure that a PRC invasion of Taiwan would just set off WW3?

>>28343310
Depends on how seriously alliances are now taken considering all the current powers have been involved in two world wars that were kicked off by such treaties.

>>28343324
I'm pretty sure a longstanding treaty to protect the right to self-determination of a longterm ally represents something the US is willing to stick by. Not even counting the loss in face that throwing Taiwan to the dogs would incur, there's doubtlessly untold amounts of US citizens, money, matériel, etc. moving through or based in Taiwan at any given time. It would be almost as bad as ignoring an invasion of Japan. The US simply couldn't afford such a devastating moral defeat, I don't think.

>>28340337
US created them in the first place by backing the communists in the civil war

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China will put itself in an enemy mine situation
i wouldn't think Russia is too keen on joining on their escapade,even if Putin have a huge animosity on Murrica,he won't concern himself on their business
Pakistan is a nominal ally of China,but they have to cover their asses with India first
North Korea doesn't even stand a chance against South Korea in it's worst day
and not to mention the fractures in their own borders,the repressed muslim minority and also tibet
Meanwhile we're going to see an ASEAN coalition and also SEATO
i don't think war is too much of a risk,but i'm definitely going to enjoy the political game

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>>28338480
Fucking stop doing this in every thread. I like the Philippines, I have family over there, and I think they can fight. But equipment-wise they are way behind everyone else in the region.
>>28343484
Different anon, but I was under the impression that all of our OSS aid went to the Kuomintang?

>>28340502
>That's what I said in my original post.

Unless your original post was >>28340205

You never said force.

also

>implying you need threat of force to get people to stop trading with someone when you're the US or EU

>>28343371
This exactly. The US won't back down. But china won't back down either because of face issues. In 2016 taiwan will have a pro-independence leader, US will have a hawk in the White House and china will have a military strongman in power. Guess where this ends. Mushroom clouds in china and America. China will be glassed flat and in America the living will envy the dead. Fallout will look optimistic.

>>28343552
Most of the aid went into the ocean or was otherwise sabotaged
Then the US imposed truces on the KMT while the commies regrouped
Congress voted to give gold aid to china to help vs inflation, but the treasury department was run by communists so it never arrived.

>>28343668
I don't know about foreign elections, but the outcome of the 2016 presidential election is far from decided.

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>>28343668
>China can only reliably nuke California
>envy the dead

>>28343677
>Trump vs Hillary
Both hate China.

>>28343674
Mirved SLBM with cobalt jackets, so yeah.

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>>28343678
>China lays waste to Commiefornia
>China glassed, ROC reclaims mainland waste
>Sun Yat Sen jumps out of his goddamn grave to govern
>mfw nothing of value was lost

>>28343710
>SLBM
>that has shit range and their one boomer has only gone out on patrol exactly 1 time in the decade + its been in service
>muh cobalt

I wish all nuke discussion was banned outside of OPp threads.

>>28343678
DF-31 can hit the entirety of CONUS. This is the mainstay BM of the 2nd Artillery.

>>28343719
The boomer is the one with the missile that can hit California from a Chinese harbour. If it goes on patrol, it can hit anywhere on the CONUS.

>>28343737
You mean the DF-31A. DF-31 is shit.

Also

>DF-31A
>Even making up a plurality of China's nuclear forces

baka tbqh senpai

>>28343752
You mean the same boomer that hasn't even left the south china sea and has numerous surface escorts around it because of how they fear their own military? The same one that even if the chinese leadership trusted them, would have to actually get out of the areas in >>28337266 to actually have the range to do anything of merit?

China's Nuclear delivery, to say nothing of their detection, is abysmal.

>forgetting the DF-5B which was shown just a few months ago
>forgetting the long talked about DF-41
>implying there's only one boomer

>>28343755
Isn't "A" just an upgrade of the basic DF31? I assumed they just upgraded them to this standard.

>>28343765
Nuking California without even going out to sea isn't something of merit? The Chinese do keep their nukes on a tight leash. A good thing really.

>>28343766
The DF5 is old, probably retired. The DF41 is still a paper tiger. The DF31 is real and in service.

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>>28343791
Did you really forget about the parade just 3 months ago?

>>28343780
>Nuking California without even going out to sea isn't something of merit?

Not really. Unless you're going full retard and want to do a counter value strike, the big targets aren't in California outside of things like Vandenberg and San Diego. You're just fucking yourself over in that case, you actually need to go out to sea in order to get a real target selection, to say nothing of DT shots.

>>28343808
Dude, the only thing China CAN do is countervalue. They don't have enough nukes for counterforce. Don't believe the 10000 nukes in sekrit bullshit.

>>28343801
Okay they are in service but in small numbers. The DF31 is still the mainstay of Chinese nukes

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>>28343801
>trusting shit you see on parades to be in service in a closed society

>>28343710
>Trump
lol

>>28343719
>I wish all nuke discussion was banned outside of OPp threads.
Frankly this is the inevitable result of any China-Taiwan war.

>>28343765
Isn't California full of Chinese people anyway?

>China's Nuclear delivery, to say nothing of their detection, is abysmal.
Wat. Chinese nuclear detection is better than the Russians.

>>28343864
>Chinese nuclear detection is better than the Russians.

That's not saying much.

Russia right now has

>No satellite detection
>3 OTH radars, none pointed at the north pole or northern pacific
>command and communications that are antiquated even by nuclear system standards

>>28343823
China only has 240 nukes at most. I think American can tank that, because not all the nukes are targeted at the US. Some will be at Russia, Japan and Phillipines.


According to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

Israel has 400 nuclear warheads? Potentially the 3rd largest nuclear power. Why aren't they already on the UN security council?

Flips prefer milfs than lolis. That is the reason why MILF(terrorist group) still exists.

>>28343864
>Isn't California full of Chinese people anyway?
The chinks have been buying up all the real estate here. You see busloads of them driving around and buying up whole neighborhoods.

>>28343864
>Trump
>lol

kys, thanks.

>>28343843
>new driver pushed the parking break
>rofl tank is broken!

>>28344158
>had to be towed off because transmission was fucked
>not broken

>>28340705
Except almost every single country in the region is anti-China.

>>28340182
Land-based launchers dipshit.

>>28343895
What are S-400 retard?
What are S-500 retard?

>>28344389
Except you're just pulling things out of your ass. Like you'd know whether countries like Malaysia, Singapore or Thailand would fight China when they're not the ones getting attacked.

>>28344437
They have all bought weapons specifically for protecting EEZ waters. The only one threatenibg thise waters in any meaningful way is China. All if them have increased military cooperation with other countries in the region and/or the US. Read a fucking book nigger.

>>28344411
The S-400 exists in tiny numbers and the S-500 doesn't exist.

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>>28344477
You forgot to mention

>S-400
>S-500
>OTH radar

Taiwan's military has morale issues. The pro-independence DPP hate the military but are the most likely to need them if they actually try to declare independence. The KMT are pro-military but are nominally pro-unification. The Taiwanese army is still called "The Republic of China Army", and display the entirety of China on their symbols.

To compound this, the ROCA has had a number of scandals with conscripts dying during hazing. Conscription is unpopular, and those who can afford it like to send their sons to America to evade it. Conscription itself has been reduced to only 1 year and is likely to be reduced to a 4 months in the future. In theory ROCA is supposed to moving to an all volunteer army by 2014. In reality it still hasn't happened, and even less likely to happen under a DPP government.

tl;dr: Taiwan army morale is Iraq tier.

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I was in Taiwan last year and visited a bunch of /k/ related museums while I was there, I can dump some pics if anyone wants

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>>28344982
Most taiwanese friends I have said themselves they were fucked if the PRC invaded (these had done their conscription), and most don't even think the US would come to help.

they would be fucked

>>28343903
why have a seat on the security council when you already control six seats indirectly?

>>28344982
The biggest threat to tw independance is the kmt. Until the shooting starts, we don't know which way they will swing. If they decide to support the commies, then any number of taiwanese troops could switch sides. They really need to kill all the kmt ASAP and purge the military.

>4 mnth conscription
Thats a joke, right?

>>28345076
there will eventually be a flee bargain and a handover like the chinks forced the UK into with hong kong.

Infact the whole idea of the hong kong system was originally intended for Taiwan. I give it 20 or so years

>>28343948
Keep in mind those Chinks buying out US real estate are mostly well connected communist party members setting up their escape plans if things go pear shaped.
>Mfw the militants in the PLA nukes California to get rid of their corrupt party members

>>28329583
>Mirage III

It's Mirage 2000 faggot

Taiwan operates the Mirage 2000

That's a full generation more advanced than the Mirage III

>>28345096
Literally no chance. Every year, the Taiwanese identify less and less with China. That is to say each year more and more people from the island consider themselves Taiwanese first. Same thing going on in Hong Kong.

>>28345124
>Every year, the Taiwanese identify less and less with China

That doesn't mean anything, look at HK. they didn't have a choice despite noone wanting reunification.

Most of the politicians in TW are no more than corrupt gangsters filling their own pockets. If china seriously wants Taiwan they will get it, it isn't the cold war anymore.

>>28345172
It means a fucking lot actually. There is already little desire in Taiwan to be part of the PRC and that what desire remains diminishes more with each passing year. There is no ruling power or body to just hand them over like there was with Hing Kong. And HK is more anti-China now than it ever has been post-handover.

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>>28329583
Taiwan's actually stepping up their military capabilities in a logical way in the last few years.

-Kwang Hwa catamaran fast missile boats, and Tuo-Chiang class catamaran corvettes are speedy, stealthy and relatively small/inexpensive, and mount very modern native-built ASMs, making them a much better fit for Taiwan's strategic situation than smaller numbers of older full-size foreign-built destroyers

-Mobile land-based box launchers of the new gen of the native Hsuing Feng ASM will provide them with capability to hit Chinese ships from cover on land, even after their navy has been destroyed

Sky Bow II and III series native SAM systems are almost as good as the Patriot but don't exist in quite enough numbers. Fortunately they're moving away from fucktarded silo-based SAMs towards mobile SAMs

They still need a diesel electric sub class to lay mines and hunt transports though. The other thing they need the most is a MLRS/HIMARS-type modern rocket artillery system to rain death on a beachhead.

Recent purchase of new OHP class frigates was "meh"; the purchase of more TOWs, Stingers and Javelins was cheaper and more likely to affect course of a war

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>>28329583
Invasion would start with saturation missile barrage followed by massive D-Day sized paratrooper drop and attack on Kinmen, Matsu, Pescadores, Taiwanese holdings in the SCS

If Taiwan has will to live at this point they'll fire pre-targeted silo-based cruise missiles against mainland targets like ports and airports to try to slow things down a little bit. Start putting IEDs and mines/seamines every fucking where on every beach, in every port and road. Call up every reservist and put a gun in their hand, have militia to harass paratroopers

Over next few days Taiwanese Air Force and Navy will be wiped out, probably by day 2 or 3.

Then invasion will go forward. Hopefully for Taiwan they'll still have box launchers and mobile SAM systems operating. When the Chinese hit the beach, Taiwan will have to hit them with as much artillery as possible and launch the largest possible armored counterattack. If their SAMs, mines, air force, Navy and land-based ASMs have done enough damage over the previous few days they might have a chance of destroying the beach head. If not, there's no chance.

After that you pretty much turtle in urban areas behind walls of IEDs and mines, try to use ATGMs, MANPADS, and what artillery you have left to kill as many Chinks as possible while hoping the Amerilards are coming or diplomatic action will force China to concede terms whereby you don't get totally absorbed

>>28345218
>HK is more anti-China now than it ever has been post-handover

and what's that accomplished

>>28345414
Is that a serious question?

>>28345407
If the Chinese set foot on Taiwanese soil, it's already game over

Good thing is there is no chance the PLA can accomplish a forced landing. Taiwan's west coast is full of kilometers long mud flats, and the ports are bristling with missiles. The best they could do is rain missiles down on Taiwan until it becomes a wasteland

>>28345432
answer me faggot

HK is cucked

>>28345455
they would just build a landbridge with dead chinks, no need for landing craft

>Muh "chinks"

who let /pol/ out of their ballpit

>>28345476
HK has drastically more rights and freedoms than the mainland.

>>28345455

well, considering chinese s-300 cover pretty much all of taiwan, China cruise missile all the air bases and gain air superiority pretty fast, then it is just wearing down defenses until they take over the port and bring in heavy armor

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Would it be possible to make a sort of pre-positioned drone torpoedo on the bottom of the sea in the Taiwan Strait?

Like a little box launcher with a couple torpedos in it, with a microphone array? Remotely activated in the event of war, it just fires automatically whenever it hears a ship?

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>>28345407
what happens on day 3 when nimitz and friends roll into town

>>28331868
you have no idea about politics

>>28345492
that was the british demands, and the chinks agreed to carry it out for 50 years.

Only about 37 or so left until they go full PRC

>>28332546
>The position of every single other country in the region is that Formosa is an integral part of China.
This is what China actually believes

>>28345515
Possible? Probably.

Smart? Probably not.

Modern warfare tends to frown on prepositioned indiscriminate weapons, too much chance you'll cause an international incident on accident by hitting a civilian or allied ship.

>>28345759
no one will blame you for killing a civilian who decided to sail thru the Taiwan Strait in the middle of a war

There would be so many missiles, bombs, torpedos and mines flying every which way, and so many people dying, that a little bit of collateral damage on a retard dumb enough to walk in to the middle of that would be ignored

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>>28345273
They actually have some self-made MLRS system that's quit decent. These MLRS systems can cause some serious damage to the beach head if they survive through the saturation attack .

>>28345535
The Nimitz eats a ballistic missile and sinks. The whole world lols. Amerifats lose their shit and glasses Chinks. The whole world lols. Chinks returns fire and sterilize America. The whole world lols.

>>28345882
I know they have pretty extensive tunnel infrastructure for hiding shit, but you can never have enough of that.

When they go on alert, high-value systems like those and the box ASHM launchers should disappear into civilian warehouses and garages, to be lowered into tunnels and then pop up somewhere else to fire or move at night on the surface.

Also inflatable decoys. Inflatable decoys everywhere.

>>28345432
Yes because China doesn't give a shit what HK wants. China doesn't give a shit what TW wants either.

>>28345492
Again, irrelevant.

>>28345667
Actually yes, that's the legal position of every real country in the world. The only people recognizing the legitimacy of the government in Taipei are shitty non-countries.

>>28345476>>28345455

China has actually been investing in a lot of large Bizon hovercraft so they can bypass the mud flats.

>>28345124
>identify less and less with

It's about power, money and guns. If I have enough of power, money and guns, your dad will get on his knees and give me a blowjob, and not because he identifies with a penis.

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>>28345892

>>28345945
And upon the PRC attacking Taiwan most of these countries would recognize Taiwan as independent. For example Japan "recognizes One China" but in reality Japanese and Taiwanese love each other, even on an average citizen level, have huge trade links, and fucking hate the PRC and everything about it. Recognizing the PRC as owning Taiwan in order to do business with it wont matter much when China loses its foreign trade links due to embargoes/blockades after it goes full ape trying to enslave Taiwan.

>>28345892

>America goes to war with China
>invades
>propaganda photo of the American flag being raised at the beachhead
>flag is made in China

http://missilethreat.com/taiwans-missile-program-hit-sinking-research-vessel/

I am starting to think the americans WANTS Taiwan to be given to China so they don't have the threat of WW3 lingering over them

>>28346022
>Amerifat detected
We got a bite

Just plant sea mines everywhere. China will have to spend the next decade just to clear that shitstorm.

>>28346028
I am wondering how Taiwan can use its soft power to brainwash mainlanders and gain a beachhead.

Don't the young kids love taiwanese music and pop culture?

>>28346028
No one gives a shit until the Japs are willing to fight for them. Japs are barely willing to fight for themselves.

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>>28345076
>implying most of the military isn't KMT
I'd like to see you green hippies try that shit, hang all you dog fuckers in the streets, just like in the 60's

>>28346054
They are part of the problem. Most taiwanese artist make money in China. The taiwan are extremely bribe-able.

>>28346064
I used Japan as an example, albeit one that specifically loves Taiwan and hates the PRC. However that's the same Japan that just announced they're back in the international arms business. That has those ultra quiet Soryu class subs, and which Taiwan has noted are the #1 item they need to deter the PRC at the moment...

>>28346038
>stop making fun of my delusions of Chinese grandeur

>>28346071
agreed.

The vast majority of Taiwan's professional military are pan-blues. They favor good relations with China while maintaining de facto independence.

The idiotic green peacniks are the ones pushing hard for de jure independence. (which triggers war, ironically)

>>28346131
That's why Taiwan needs to kill all kmt and purge the military if she ever wants to be free from China.

>>28345892
>Fiddy cent still believing DF-21 is a viable weapon.

>>28346149
>>28346104
>>28346022

u mad?

>>28346149
Ironically, most Chinese fanboys don't seem to care about the DF-21 at all. It's the US Navy who is doing all the hyping up for the DF-21.

>>28346178
Mo' money for dem programs and all that.

>>28346149
The DF-21 is a viable weapon, it just has a complex kill chain and vulnerable to a variety of counter measures. It's still potentially a major threat to US aircraft carriers, just not as an autowin like certain people claim.

>>28346240
>it just has a complex kill chain

I think the issue is that China is actually still lacking parts of said kill chain.

>>28346240
If I were the PLA, I would still invest in a substantial number of DF-21, simply because it would force US vessels to spend money on ABM defenses instead of other weapons. Any US ship without ABM cover would risk destruction, any ship carrying it isn't carrying other weapons. It reduces the efficiency of the US fleet as a whole. It's also good for mopping up survivors.

>>28337402
China is blocked from all sides. Mongolia blocks the north, Taiwan the east, Vietnam the South, and India the west.

>>28346271
Which part is missing?

Anyway yeah but that isn't the missile's fault, and the rest of the sensor stuff is what China needs to have anyway.

>>28346159
You have shown us that you are.

>>28345414
if they get too uppity, China turns off the water and utilities, and stop the food shipments.

Also the PLA garrison has more guns than the rest of Hong Kong combined

>>28329583
Likely the same amount of time. The plan that I read was that they would rain cruise missiles for 5 days then launch a amphibious assault. Taiwan's navy and air force would be gone before that phase would be started. After that 16 days to flush out any remaining elements of resistance and done.

>>28346508
no_u.jpg

>>28346131
>The vast majority of Taiwan's professional military are pan-blues

Fortunately the vast majority of taiwan's military isn't professional. Kill the kmt, purge the military, free China. Chinalovers can go back to China

Wai sheng ren scum fuck your mother and die already. I hope the commies rape you to death.

>>28346742
>Murder 50% of Taiwan's population for not wanting to pick a fight with the Goliath
>Get the remaining 50% nuked by the communists
Not even the Khmer Rouge is as bloodthirsty as you are. Nor are they as stupid

>>28345901
I'd imagine there would be hundreds of loitering drone over taiwan by that point. Any launch would be immediately be noticed and hit with smart munitions.

>>28346943
Live free or die.


NKorea: 10 year conscription
Israel: conscripts even the women
Taiwan: mummy and daddy on tv whining and bitching how hard it is for poor little Chang to be forced to run in light rain. The poor baby might catch a cold. Why no umbrellas? Why can't he do his laps in a bus? Taiwan, the country where the guards guarding the armoury get robbed on duty because their guns have no ammo.

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>>28346742
>>28346148
you idiots seem to forget that all your frontline units and officer corp are either very pro KMT or actually KMT party members.
Scenario A:
Pruge partly successful, KMT loyal units hold out at a military port or airbase and get reinforced by PLA. PLA overun all DDP loyal units in days and GG.
Scenario B:
Purge unsuccessful, coup followed by mass execution of all DDP politicians. This is the most likely to happen as the KMT has the sentiment of all frontline combat units in the army as well as airforce and navy. 1 year term conscript infantry is gonna get eaten up by ROC marines with combined arms support.
Scenario C:
Order 66 purge success. Taiwan no longer has front line combat units, replacement officers and NCO's will take years to train. Many weapon systems destroyed, irreparable moral loss after fighting a civil war while technically still in a civil war, lingering trust issues between military and civilian leadership. PLA shows up to "liberate" oppressed KMT citizens unopposed as there is no longer a functioning taiwan military. Few token conscript units get curbstomped. PLA hailed as liberators by half the population. US unable to lend aid due to the clusterfuck that just happened. GG no re

>>28343552
>M14

Oh man. I bet it's a third hand ones from USNG

>>28331795
Never grew up there, but the Philippines overall makes me embarrassed. It's like an Asian Mexico over there.

>>28345945
Nobody recognizes Taiwan as governed by the PRC. It is a unique entity in geopolitics with unsettled status. At no point has the PRC ever controlled Taiwan.

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surprised this hasn't been posted yet

>>28329583
China lacks the ability to successfully invade Taiwan with ground forces. Period, end of story.

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>>28347309
Possibly, it still sees a lot of service with Flip Marines
>>28347416
That's a somewhat apt description of what I saw. Depending on where you go however, it looks better or worse. If the economy over there gets better over the next 10 years then maybe things will begin to unfuck themselves, can't get that much worse as it is.
>>28347443
Fucking hate that picture.

>>28347443
>poorest among Asean founding members
>shortest among Asean founding members
>also have the shortest dick among Asean founding members
>strongest

The flips are called the sick man of Asia for a reason

>>28347452
Tell us what we don't know

>>28347771
This entire thread ignores that basic fact.

>>28345892
>The Chinese American war escalates dramatically and both nations begin to annex clay. The whole world stops lolling from their mouths being used to suck American/shrimp dick dry of all their superior cum.

FTFY

>>28347416
I've been to some of SEA major cities, and Metro Manila is by far the worst of them

>shit public transportation
>fucking traffic jam
>major disparity between the rich and the poor
>said rich people treat poor people like dog
(man, I bet I'm richer than like the majority of these rich "flips" and even I wouldn't treat another human being like an animal)
>people keep looking like they want to mug/kidnap you
>fucking jeepney. (took them for for the novelty. never again). The tuk tuks are okay though
>underage girls keep knocking your room and offer "massage"

Damn that place. At least Jakarta is safer than Metro manila and Bangkok at least have a proper public transportation.

Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are pretty meh.Yeah, sure they have nice skyscrapers, better public transport and orderly streets, but they're losing their oriental charm in favor of "professional western urban planning". Even the more advanced cities like Tokyo or Taipei have "soul" compared to these soulless urban jungle

>>28345052
>Not using Chiang Kai Shek rifles
implying.

>>28347309
>bakelite handguard
hells yeah thats OG 1950s era

>>28347896
Depends on what you mean by "soul". Singapore still has a Chinatown and a Little India, it's just out of the way from the downtown metro and tourist locations. KL is one of the food capitals of SE Asia so I don't know how you got the impression that it has lost its oriental flavor.

>>28347896
How is a jeepney better than the tuk tuks?

>>28347896
I actually kind of liked it when I went there, though I was staying with family in Makati. Never had underage girls ask me for a massage, or ran into anyone who looked like they wanted to mug/kidnap me. The rich/poor disparity is pretty fucking huge, I'll agree with that. Also I'm sad to hear what you said about Singapore and Kuala Lumpur, I would hope some SEA cities still have charm that I can visit.

>>28348494
I'd imagine that's because you look like one of those guys, so they wouldn't have bothered. For a white guy, I stand out like a sore thumb, so naturally people would pay more attention to me.

There's also the story of how airport cops would put a bullet into the luggage of an unsuspecting tourist to extort their money (the story even came out in local news channel afaik). That's the new low, even for a country that is known for rampant corruption like flipland.

>>28348392
Re-read the sentence, nigger.

>>28331886
Abso-fucking-lutley.

Ausfag here, who's worked with Taiwanese for 10yrs. They are gutless fags who would throw their kids over their shoulder, to run away faster.

The whole nieghbourhood of Sunnybank in Brisbane is full of kids avoiding the draft, and any kind of confrontation.

They don't care who runs the show, they just want to maintain their lifestyle.

>someone should inform them said lifestyle will change under occupation.

>>28331916
How do you qualify as Taiwanese... If your grandparents moved from Fujian in the 1960's?

Oh wait, it's the flaired nostrils right?
>Don't worry, I'd still give your girls some white meat.

>>28348923
>look like on of those
Kinda, I'm a halfsie and they can tell immediately. Haven't heard the bullet story, but wouldn't be overly surprised. That country needs a Lee Kuan Yew of some sort to unfuck everything.

>>28349120
>Lee Kuan Yew

Duterte saves the day. There's a reason why Davao is one of the safest city in the world

>>28343552
Kek even their combat uniform is made by chinese company

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=37572.0

>>28349309
The pattern is slightly off, but I wouldn't be too surprised.
>>28349266
I've been rather hesitant about that guy, but its better than fucking Binay coming into office.

>>28349346
Nobody's clean, and being clean doesn't necessary means that said person is a leader (take PNoy's mom for example).

What's more important is that whoever that wins the election do their fucking work. PNoy promised that he would solve the MRT debacle, but so far nothing significant has been done

>>28344470
The only one threatening them is China? What about the other 6 faggots including the ROC who claim each other's shit?

>>28345103
Okay.

>>28349458
All the other faggots have been sitting on their rocks with no new movement for a decade.

The commies are the only ones dredging up coral reefs and building airstrips and installing radar domes all over the place

>>28346028
Taiwanese do not love Japanese. They are rather neutral to each other in public opinion, and a little hostile in the political realm.

Stop saying lies.

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>>28349602
>Stop saying lies.

It's not really a lie.

There are quite a few Taiwanese who are actually really pro Japan despite getting historically fucked by them in the first place.

>>28349434
Well I hope he knows what he's doing if he gets elected.

>>28346321
China is far more pinned down than America is, but I disagree with you.

Mongolia? You mean Russia.

India in the west? What? You mean Central Asia. China has no desire for anything "Indian".

Vietnam in the South? Vietnam is a shadow of its former self. And you're forgetting about Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand which have good relations with China.

Taiwan to the east? Taiwan's existence depends on their relations with the PRC. They don't block anything.

>>28345407
this gives me a hard on just thinking about that.

more anon plz

>>28347784
So Taiwan's military is making up shit when they say they would only be able to defend for three weeks with American help?

Taiwan's whole gameplan is to inflict a huge amount of damage on the PRC. They have no real hope America would go WW3 over them.

>>28345892
>China can nuke anything but the US West Coast

nothing of value lost

>>28349686
Find me a source. Japan does not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation, they have no military support or training structure, and there's always been a stunning lack of Japanese-led ADB loans for Taiwan.

The KMT and Japan never got along. Maybe since the 90's that has changed some but that has more to do with Taiwan's existential crisis and not any mutual love.

>>28347784
tell us what you know nigger