ITT: Snake Oil

>>28305634
Uhhh confirmed for noguns poorfag. The Fuck are you talking about.

Want to know how I know you never shot past 50 yards, OP? If you have ever shot a gun at all.

>>28305634
>hating on snake oil
It's like you don't want to regrow hair, have a monster cock and live forever.

>>28305634

I'd give back every round I've ever fired just to reshoot half of them with my SSA-E

Is this you OP?
>>28303526

Geissele triggers are nice. understand, when you pay $200 for $50 standard part, it usually isnt 4x "better".
that being said, there are those who want "better" at whatever the cost, despite whatever nominal increase in performance it may be.

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>>28305634

Sour Grapes: The Thread

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>>28305634

Kek, found OP

>>28303046

Stay assblasted, faggot :^)))

Any AR over $1200 that doesn't fill an extremely specific niche

>>28305691
>can't hit a 100 yd target without a $200 trigger job

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>>28305855
>that thread
The poverty is so fucking real, holy shit

>>28305634
What is shit I shit on because I can't afford the shit I want.

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>>28305634

>>28306318

It's the same except silver?

>>28306329
And it comes with a pin and a vial of real snake oil. But op bought one for 120 dollars and though "just as good as Gisselle!!!1!"

>>28306329
its even same price

Triggers are snake oil? Is this some Gucci trigger?

I have a rock river arms national match on my .22 and it honestly helped tighten up my groups. I love the two stages and the clean break with no grittiness. I will be getting a few more.

The consumer market isn't necessarily filled with snake oil, it just doesn't matter for most shooters that just blast at paper targets and beer cans. Same thing for cars and the vast market of consumer performance parts. And off-road parts and trucks. The products do their thang.. But the consumer... Does.... Not.... Need them.

>>28305634

OP fires his ar by smacking it with a rock.

>>28305634
>I have never used a Geissele trigger
Stay mad, poorfag. And I'm not even one for buying random expensive shit for my rifle like an arfcommer, it's completely stock except for the trigger and brake.

>>28306588
He probably uses a regular rock like some kind of Pleb

I'm glad I spent the extra $600 and sprung for the LaRue Tactical™ High Velocity combat rock. It allows you to fire up to 40% faster than a regular rock, comes with quad rails for mounting accessories and it even has a kickstand for heating MRE's

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10mm

>>28306712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkxz8fTBn20

Based Ian

>>28306701

shut your whore mouth

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>>28305634
>ITT: Sour Grapes

FTFY

>>28306318
>>28306329
>>28306347
I bought one and I feel a noticeable difference in the pull, pretty much the same break, just less shitty than plain old milspec. It's just a teflon/NB coating, nothing to get terribly excited about. Worth the extra $20 imo.

Alright, since everyone is jumping down OP's throat about triggers, Tell me about Geissele.
I currently have an ALG QMS trigger with some upgraded springs, it has a pull of somewhere just under 4 lbs, and breaks like glass.

Is a two stage trigger really worth over $200 to someone who just likes plinking steel at 1-300 yds? I have no problem hitting targets standing, prone or bench with my current setup.

>>28305634
snake oil is the best product i've ever used
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tj7ytiqxx8

>>28306670
I always kek at your purposely funny posts

>>28306123
>implying I can't hit steel at 500
>>28306080
Are talking just the base gun?
Because a lower with a gessielle trigger and good furniture is like $350-400 if you don't wait for sales, so $800 budget for the upper, $1200 sounds good
The guys over at arg do stupid shit
>$100 more for a coated bcg that provides no benefit
>$60 more for a raptor charging handle
>$100 more for ambi controls, which me, as a lefty, have never needed.

>paying $200 for a set of kac buis you'll never use.
Matech rear and a MBUS regular front is god tier on a budget.

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I shoot targets hundreds of yards away with a cheap faggot dpms trigger. Not even trolling. Some of you fags are trigger autists and probably shoot at 100 yards at most.

>>28306939
Dude what. The matech is $100 just for the rear. How is that better than KAC?

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>>28306977
Have dpms can confirm it's doable. I notice mine has more creep than I would like when precision shooting, but it's just something I keep in mind. Especially cause I put the money I saved not buying a geiselle towards pic related

>>28306819
>Is a two stage trigger really worth over $200 to someone who just likes plinking steel at 1-300 yds?
Depends entirely on how much money you have, and what you think it's worth spending on. It's a determination that is inherently subjective.

An SSA-E, for instance, is objectively better than the trigger you have now. But whether the marginal benefit of a better trigger is worth the additional cost is up to you. Before I got mine, I was perfectly happy plinking steel with my stock milspec trigger. But then I decided that I wanted a much lighter trigger, and I had some spare money to burn so I went for it.

>>28306992
Still cheaper than a new kac

But seriously, can you not eBay?
Matech supplies the rear sight of the US army. It's a non serialized item, so when it gets lost, it's not stealing. EBay that shit
$30-$50 max

>>28305634
Being overpriced isn't the same thing as being snake oil, dumbass.
The CMC is a good alternative to the Geissele if you are just plinking (they often need KNS anti-walk pins unless you like the ugly e-clip pins that come with it), the Jard is a good alternative if you want adjustability (but they often require drilling and tapping, Spikes lowers have a hole that works but requires a tap). I honestly actually like the RRA two stage match trigger.
That said I have two Geissele's and one Jard, and the CMC just sits in my tool box.

>>28307029
This is "Reasonable - the post ". I like that you aren't shitting on everyone who didn't do what you did. You know like, quit not liking what I like as some have the custom

>>28307029
Thanks for the input, I'm assuming you feel it was worth the price of admission?
I'm trying to decide between a new trigger, or to start putting money toward replacing my carry handle with a mid power optic.

>>28307030
Kac does the marines. It's $60 sometimes for theirs. I like the looks of the matech fwiw. Will keep an eye out for one. I've been pretty happy with my cheap buis from like utg and aim sports. I don't use them often but they have both held zero for a couple hundred rounds so far

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>>28306123
Actually I shoot chest-sized steel targets just fine at 500 yards with a ~6lb trigger, thanks.

>>28307090
Not him, but you'll really improve your groups with a good optic over any iron sights.

where did all the poorfags come from?

>>28307141
We just got done running a train on your mom

>>28307130
Figured so, as much as I love the carry handle look, my near sighted ass definitely could use a handicap, my prescription glasses make pretty shitty eye pro

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>Oh boy here we go again

>>28307174
I feel you. My first sight set was a carry handle. Couldn't get it to stay in place because it's cross bolts didn't interlock with the rail. I'm gonna build an sp1 if I can find a parts kit

>>28307079
I wish people would understand that value is subjective, and that judging other people's purchases based on your valuations is retarded. It would also solve a lot of shitposting.

>>28307090
For me, yeah. For the purposes I have my AR (plinking and SHTF), I value a light and crisp trigger over nice furniture or the latest and greatest optic, as I find the trigger feel is the first thing I notice when I shoot a gun. I opted to spend the money to fix that issue, since I'm otherwise satisfied with the rest of the stock parts. Though I might put in a UTG super slim handguard at some point because I have stubby manlet hands and M4-style handguards are quite fat.

>>28305647
>>28305691
>>28305802
>>28305855


Never done a trigger job on my AR, or any of my rifles, what makes this trigger so nice? Is it like a pistol trigger job, crisper and lighter?

>>28306318
>>28306329
Have one in my ar. It's a milspec trigger with some more finishing put into the parts. Doesn't pull any lighter or have a whole lot less takeup. Does pull much smoother and break crispier.

For $46, it's really not a bad option.

>>28307207
Yes. Also, shorter reset.

>>28306740
I rather enjoyed that video, thank you for sharing

holy shit OP is faggot as usual

fucking poorfags I swear to god

>>28307318

hmm. ive never taken my AR past 200 yards and it has a milspec trigger, on a rifle, especially an AR a trigger job doesnt really seem necessary. maybe if i was competing or had magnified optics it would be worth it

>>28307365

not surprising, its a lot easier to get asspained and try to rationalize when you're broke

>>28306939
As a lefty I consider the ambi charging handle probably the 3rd best upgrade to date on my rifle.
>$100 ambi mag release a shit tho

>>28307204
If you get a utg let us know how you like it. I have average hands but the slim MI handguard I held felt really great. I don't feel like paying for their name brand tho. And I've liked everything utg I've bought so far

>>28307602
Seriously? I'm lefty too and I would say number one must have for me. Which one you get? I got the bcm gunfighter and I dig it, but sometimes it can pinch the skin on the inside of my finger.

>>28307141
school vacation time.

>>28305634
By all means, please point me in the direction of a better SCAR trigger.

>>28308642

>Two thousand five hundred dollars
>Still have to upgrade the trigger

C'mon FN. I wanted one too.

>>28307302
Yeah, my rifle in the marines was a doosey, the finish on the lower had worn off such that was as strange copper color, but the trigger was really smooth.

>>28308642
http://shop.shootingsight.com/Scar-16-17-Adjustable-2-Stage-Trigger-SCAR-Trigger.htm

I have it.

>>28306538
>bill of needs

>>28308691
Yeah, this shit is inexcusable. When you're marketing a civilian variant that isn't restricted by any minimum trigger weights, you don't put a shitty trigger in such an expensive rifle.

Then again, people still buy it so obviously it's a good business move.

>>28305855
>>28307188
Nope, I didn't make this thread. It seems I'm not the only one that thinks putting a trigger that costs 25% of your rifle isn't necessary. Stay mad trip fag.
Captcha is popcorn

>>28308732
That's not what he's saying bro, he's saying most ppl don't need a super fresh 2 stage 4.5 lb trigger for their rifle so it seems like "Snake oil" to them when the mil-spec is like only 20 bucks or whatever.

>>28308743
>shitty trigger

Is it really "shitty?" A 2 stage geiselle is amazing, it'll make most triggers seem shitty by comparison. How's is stack against similar stock rifle triggers?

>>28308691
I agree, but it's a "combat trigger" for a combat rifle.

>>28308748
Then fuck you, don't buy one. Holy shit, why do you care what other people pay for?

>>28308729
Interesting. Too bad these didnt exist when I bought mine. I take it you like it?

>>28308765
Roughly the same (6-8lbs, according to different people). The issue isn't that the trigger is specifically "bad", but rather that it is not good enough given the price tag. Why does a rifle that costs twice as much as an AR have a similar quality trigger?

>>28308844
Yeah, most of the reviews on FNF have it being better than the geissele

>>28308876
>>28308844
I also have a straight blade version but that shouldn't matter much.

>>28308748
Touchy aren't we? I was the one being piled on for being a poor fag and not having a Geissle in another thread. I left it, checked and this was at the top. I knew Milsurp would be in here thinking it was me and holy shit, I was right. Buy what you want, I don't give a shit. I just didn't make this thread.

>>28308922
For
>>28308839

>>28305802

have you ever used a Geissele?

my $250 Hiperfire 24C is worth every cent. i could say the same about Geissele's stuff.

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>>28308748
>putting a trigger that costs 25% of your rifle isn't necessary
This says so much
>I'm poor
>My rifle can't even manage to be four figures
>Sour grapes
>I see no reason why you would want to pay money for one of the most critical components of a rifle if it's the best there is

>>28309547
RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>28305634

Butthurt Tapco owner detected.

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>>28308748
>isn't neccessary
You little nigger you were in that thread saying how you needed hundreds of dollars in tools and a tool bench to assemble an AR and now you're in here crying about how people are bullying you for not having something unnecessary?

>>28305634
Geissele triggers are fucking awesome.

Like, gets your dick hard good.

Sucks to be you poorfag. Get a fucking job.

>>28308748
you sound like every poorfag ever trying to justify his inferior purchase.

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>>28310998
>REEEEEEEE

How trendy...

>>28311485
being poor leads to learning to perform impressive mental gymnastics.

>>28306819
I'm biased because I own 3.

>SSA
>SSA-E
>Service Rifle

I would say, they literally make you a better shot.

if you don't already suck of course.

Think of it this way. Say you have a set of golf clubs that's like $5000 or some shit that Tiger Woods uses. If you use them, you're still gonna suck, but if you are good, having nice things can definitely help a lot.

>>28307090
>not using an optic
>in the current year

WTF? poorfag?

>>28305634
I don't think you know what snake oil means.

>>28308743
>shitty trigger

top kek

Geissele is literally the best trigger there is.

not to mention, one of the best upgrades you can make other than optic

>AR worth <$1000

lulz, my .300 blackout SBR upper alone is worth $1k

>>28308748
>25% of your rifle

>yfw my rifle cost $3600 with optic
>yfw I bought all of the parts on sale
>yfw my Geissele SSA cost me $105 during their blem sale

I don't know how they're teaching you kids math these days, ya' know, with Common Core and such, but I'm fairly certain that $105 isn't 25% of $3600.

>>28311779
oops

>>28308748

Troll thread, don't know why I'm replying but for the money a g2s trigger is a steal

>>28308748
>trigger that costs 25% of your rifle
Believe it or not, a lot of people with ARs here have put more than $600-$1000 into their rifles. Amazing, I know, but do try to wrap your head around it.

>>28311880
The funny part is a fully-upgraded built AR is the same price (or less) as a stock Tavor or SCAR.

Why are people in this thread bragging about how much money they have spent on individual firearms as though it's a badge of honor? That's like bragging about spending money on a watch. All it shows is that you like spending money. Basically conspicuous consumption for the point of not being perceived as "poor". Pretty disgusting and disingenuous, honestly.

>>28312096
Not too many people are doing this. Why are people in this thread ragging on those who happen to have money to spend on the gun parts that they want?

>>28312104
There are quite a few people doing that. Being upset about how other people spend their money is pointless regardless, and this thread is b8.

>>28306670
how would a kickstand help heat MREs?

ARE YOU CAROLYN MCCARTHY?

>>28312104
It's called "poorfagging", and you're on /k/ so get used to it.

>>28312104
poortards gonna poor.

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>>28305634
>ctrl+f
>anderson arms
>0
step up your game

>>28312396

>That pic

Excuse me while I remain in disbelief.

>>28312396
I'm not sure what's worse; the way that product is advertised, or the fucking logo.

>>28311974
Tavors are shit with shit triggers and bare bones scars are bare bones

>>28312396
>23% faster action
>listed as an advantage

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>>28312415
you don't believe in nano machines, son?

>>28306712
>the smoke lets you know it's working

>>28305634

I bought a Daniel defense DDM4V9LW rifle and idk what trigger they use or if it's an in house job but I can say it's the best trigger I have ever used and the best rifle I have ever shot.

>>28312096
>conspicuous consumption

thorstein veblen gtfo


A timex, a citizens, a tag, and a rolex will all do the same thing.

except get you blow jobs.

only one of the above options does that.

>>28312519
>rolex
All that gets you is suspicions of owning a fake watch. A Patek Philippe or Baume et Mercier or some other less hollywood/rap-tier watch is a far better option for that.

>>28312518
Yea I have an m4v1lw
trigger is pure sex it's like a milspec trigger except perfected.

>>28308748
>spending less than 1000 on a rifle

Shit nigga wtf are you doing?

>>28309547
looks like a bucket of dippin dots

>>28312543

Patek Phillipe? Is that some Kohl's house brand?

Yes, I know what you mean, but if you're looking for cachet among most people, a super top name like that is only going to be attractive to people who know watches.

>>28316796
But that's the dilemma; you either have a well-known luxury brand and risk people thinking it's fake (and the frequency of this depends on the financial situation and appearance of the person wearing it), or a less-known luxury brand and have nobody recognize it.

Either way, if you're wealthy enough to easily afford a top-end watch, people will know you're wealthy without having to look at it. And if you're a poorfag who scraped his pennies and bought a top-end watch, you won't be fooling anyone.

>>28307459
>on a rifle a trigger job doesn't seem necessary

If you enjoy having a mediocre rifle sure. I shot NRA f class and you'd get laughed off the range saying things like that. Those people wouldn't shoot a gun that couldn't do sub-MOA at 200 yds.

Even for hunting trigger jobs are great. I used the geissele sd3g on my ar and i can take quick shots of moving animals with ease

Explain it to a no-ar fag in simple terms.

Why should I pay for a colt when I can get a windham for a hundred bucks cheaper, a delton for another hundred bucks cheaper, and a DPMS for yet another one hundred bucks cheaper?

What's the difference between a rifle made by colt, windham, DPMS, or del-ton? If this was going to be my only AR-15, for general purpose use, does colt offer something that makes it worth almost 400 bucks more than the DPMS I am looking at?

>>28317039
An example comparison:
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=222444

Also, remember that if you build it yourself, there are significant cost savings, so you won't be paying DD or Colt prices for the same quality rifle.

>>28317309
I'll give this a read, thanks.

I'm considering a build, but my only hang up is a stripped lower is a week wait (and possibly requires a HQL depending on ffl apparently) where I am and an assembled rifle is cash and carry. Otherwise it's an attractive idea.

Fuck maryland.

>>28307141
>using money wisely makes someone a poorfag.

>>28318000
>trigger upgrade
>not a sound purchase for shooting
Ask how I know you have, at most, some shitty .22 or a nugget.

The fact is that 90% of the guns sold today are more accurate than 90% of shooters 90% of the time. Meaning you can take almost ANY gun and give it to ANY guy and have them shoot at a target and the gun will out shoot him. But he'll then put that gun on the bench, cherry pick ammunition, shoot at a target at something like 25 yards for a pistol or 100 yards for a rifle, and if it doesn't get sub-moa then it's shit.

There's a stupid fucking amount of mysticism in the gun community. Every other dude acts like they're an operator that needs a gun to be 100% accurate 100% reliable 100% of the time. Pistols must be able to fit into their pocket, be able to take down a grizzly, have zero recoil, pin point accurate, be able to survive in the mud for 10 years without rusting. Rifles must be able to survive being in a rock tumbler for a year, shoot white submerged in mud, deliver kill shots at 1000 yards, never ever jam once, be a short barrel, have be at least 1 dB quieter suppressed than the competition, etc etc. If it doesn't hit that magic sub-moa number or even lower they'll dump hundreds or thousands into big name companies for top-tier brands or load rifles with crap made of space age materials.

For the amount of money some shooters have spent they could easily afford a modest rifle and pistol and enough ammo to be shooting for years at which point THEN they're probably ready for an uber serious firearm needing to deliver these magic specs. But in reality they spend huge portions of their salary and can count the number of times they go shooting on both hands in one year.

Myself included. Guns are one hell of a drug.

>>28305634
>Geissele

>snake oil

Let me show you a gun with a shitty trigger then we'll see what you call snake oil.

>>28311974
I put some gucci shit on my AR and it came nowhere near the price of a SCAR.

I got a super three gun single stage in an AR I bought. Definitely makes a difference. It was fucky going from the vz58 trigger to it though, I ended up accidentally shooting two or three times instead of once because I automatically went to preset the trigger. Scared the piss out of me when it happened.

>>28311974

naw m8

My 300 blackout SBR is pretty fucking gucci and it's still half the cost of a SCAR

>>28317039
Buy a dpms and put 2-3000 rounds through it. You seem like the kind of person who learns from experience.

>>28305634
> filename

Goddammit, I know you're trolling, but it's pronounced guys-lee

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>le poorfags
Not everyone is Rocket Surgeon with 24 inch rims. Some of us work dead end jobs and pay bills. /k/ conformed for elitist pricks.

>>28306701
take that back heretic.

>>28306670
>Rock

I'm actually an "or something" kind of guy. And you can use a stick to fire your AR. The leverage helps for precision fire, plus you can wiggle it back and forth for rapid fire in CQB-CQC-CQM-CQBLOWJOB-Tactical autoerotic asphyxiation.

>>28319783
>>28319841
Exactly my point. Why pay for a SCAR when you can have a top-tier AR?

>>28312519
My ka-bar gets me blow jobs.
>if only they would stop crying...

>>28320248
I'm poor as fuck and I'm still able to afford a pimped out AR on top of all my bills and food and other shit

>>28320982
I can't wait to get my stamp for my can and my refund from my EOtech to get an Acog.

>>28320982
Folding stocks.

>>28320982
Because I didn't want to get an AR 10

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>>28307141
are you new here or something?

>>28318662
chasing the space kraut magic dragon

>>28320248
Quit being a bitch and learn a fucking trade you bitch

>>28305709
This desu baka family senpai baka desu desu senpai

>>28322048
Get a piston AR.
>inb4 muh carrier tilt

>>28322050
>not wanting the most accurate and modular battle rifle on the market

>>28306701
Found the poorfag with babby wrists!

>>28306701
slut

>>28322964
> using the same swear multiple times in one sentence

>>28306701

First true thing in this thread

>>28305802
>when you pay $200 for $50 standard part, it usually isnt 4x "better".

That holds true for virtually any manufactured item that can be upgraded in some manner. Performance increases are incremental.

You may double the cost of a 2 MOA rifle to get it down to 1 MOA, and then triple that cost to get it to .5 MOA. That's even assuming that the platform is inherently capable of that degree of precision.