/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

How to be Delta, 100% guaranteed

ok bitches, here is the real dope

you want to be delta, first you have to join up with an ivy league phd and minimum 10 gpa

then you have to pass the physical. if you're not 6'5 and at least 300lbs with a professional nfl career behind you, forget it manlet, you're not getting in.

then THEY approach YOU. you got to their top secret facility in DC where you undergo the what they call HELL WEEK. during HELL WEEK they test you in the most simple and most brutal method ever. for 24 hours a day, every day, for a week, they punch you in the nuts. that's right faggots, they punch you RIGHT IN THE FUCKING NUTS, all day, every day, all week. that's why they call it HELL WEEK.

you think that's the end? think again motherfuckers. after that, you have to kill your mom. and your dog. don't have a mom or a dog? you're not getting in, you fucking commie.

then it's a ten year MINIMUM probationary period, during which you're in federal prison. can't handle that? you don't have what it takes to be in delta you pussy.

if you survive federal prison and get a presidential pardon, then and ONLY THEN, you can put in a packet. but if you're over 40 and under 80 then go to hell you bitch, you don't have the experience to be CAG.

you think you got what it takes? forget it, you're not going to make it.

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>>28250451

Really enjoying having something so heinous happen each thread that the next edition gets named after it

>>28250930
The real question is:

Does ivy have tits or what?

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>>28250724

>>28250958
I don't understand why they let women in the army keep their hair long? Shouldn't they be held to the same standards?

Seems like it'd be an easy subtle way to keep a bunch of women from joining up anywho

>>28244414
It's basically impossible to get aviation via army OCS. If you try it you will end up in a shit branch.

What can I do about my tailbone while doing situps? I don't have any mats of carpeted floors or anything, should I just try and go do my exercises out in the grass? Would it be okay to just do crunches? Are there any other alternatives?

>>28250930
I just hope someday we can have a "helpful non-derailed thread" edition

also posting as a reminder that I am almost always lurking to take fitness/health questions

>>28251227
you're always helpful /fit/bro <3

>>28251226
Make sure you round your back. You know how (you probably don't but whatever) for heavy lifting you NEVER round your back? Abdominal work is the opposite, always round your lower back for abs work. Doing it in the grass probably would help, make sure there are no rocks or anything under you though obviously. Crunches are better than nothing, and if you have a pullup bar, hanging leg raises are an excellent alternative to situps.

>>28251244
d-do you really like me senpai
I-I love you too

>>28251227
i rolled or sprained my ankle running, haven't run in 2 days. still hurts. how do i speed this bs up and make sure it doesn't happen again?

>>28251338
Don't run (obviously), RICE it. rest, ice, compress, elevate. Don't run on it until one day after it stops hurting completely.

>>28251338
Oh, and what were the specific circumstances of the ankle injury? Did it just suddenly give out? Or did you just trip on something? I might be able to help you avoid doing it again.

I'm currently a fat ass
5'8 200 lbs
Do you need to be a certain weight for navy, marines, or army enlistment, bootcamp, or is it after bootcamp that you must meet the height/weight regs?

>>28250943
Yes she does. They are pretty small tho

>>28251495
Also a lazy ass desu. Yes there are.

>>28251495
bootcamp will help you get there but there are weight regs based on your height and you will have an easier time at basic if you already meet fitness regs when you get there.

>>28251565
I know, lost 20 lbs already and plan on losing atleast 30 more.
Running an hour a day, lifting, dieting etc.
I'm just curious how far I need to be before I DEP because I'd like to het that out of the way.

Is there any reason to practice running in boots before joining the army?

I probably shouldn't include this because 10 people will try to crush my dreams but lets also include RASP when answering this question.

What jobs are available to those who complete Airforce ROTC? Can I get something that's not sitting behind a desk or anything stupid like that? Am certified EMT, planning to get Advanced soon if that changes or helps anything.

>>28251691
There's Combat Rescue Officer and Security Forces.

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reposting ProfessionalSoldiers workout

also daily reminder that asking for 18x advice here is essentially your ticket to being the thread theme next thread

just go to professionalsoldiers and lurk

>>28251516
I have only shown like 3 people from here. Assuming they didnt post my tits, which one are you?

>>28251752
Anyway I can try to increase my chances of getting those?

>>28251851
Send tits tripslut

>>28251752
CRO is just about the most difficult position to get in the entire armed forces. Not only do they not need very many but you have to be an EMT and world-class athlete plus officer responsibilities. Security Forces though, shouldn't be too hard. I don't think it's nearly as competitive as infantry officers since security forces are just like, infantry for people who don't actually want to be infantry.

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>15 days till I ship to Ft. Benning

>>28252537

Oh cool. My cousin is there. Can you call him an asshole for me? The dude is really starting to piss me off.

I'm thinking of becoming a heavy pilot in the air-force to be able to become an airline pilot after Uni. The thing is that I used to be prescribed ADHD medication but I've been off it for years and I'm currently on antidepressants for anxiety (even though I hardly ever take them and I probably don't need them) am I fucked in that regard and just continue my Construction management career or if I should start looking at getting my pilot license?

Thanks in advance

I have a cousin who went into national guard boot camp and was thrown out after 2 weeks. He didn't quit, they didn't say "this really isn't your thing", they escorted him off base and shipped his ass home. How badly do you have to fuck up to be thrown out if NG boot camp?

>>28251371
>>28251387
i run 2 miles a night at the local middle school football field/dirt track. i stopped for a couple nights because of my schedule being so busy. the night i stopped, i used a fucking nordictrac for like 20 minutes. woke up, used it again. a couple hours later i tried to go running and it was shooting pain in both ankles. i walked home, stayed off them as much as possible the rest of the day. the next morning, i had a hard time even going up and down the stairs.
today it feels better but there is still some soreness to my right ankle.
obviously, lay off the machine. but i want to know why it happened? its basically the same motions as running, i stretched and warmed up first, i don't think i twisted it weird... what gives?
this down time is fuckin up muh gainz /fit/bruh!

>>28253096
awesome

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What's the best branch if I want to go in for tank crewman? The idea of being in a big fucking gun is really cool to me.

>>28253178
army..

i hear the air force and navy tanks are shit

>>28253189
Obviously I meant between the Marines and the Army

>>28253178

Depends on what you want. To be a marine or Army. It's gonna be very similar, same job opportunities once you're out. Know guys who got very good jobs at Caterpillar and shit like that because engine systems in heavy machinery and Tanks are similar, so I heard.

In the marines you'll probably rank up slower.

My 2 cents.

>>28250724
>>28250958
What's wrong here?

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>>28251226
>I never bathe because I don't have a towel
>I sleep on pointy rocks because I don't have a pillow
>I am naked at all times because I don't have clothes

>>28253209
What sort of opportunities are there once you get out? All I can think of is like, mechanic

>>28253237
Yeah I didn't get that either... I just use a pair of old sweatpants as a mat.

>>28253209

And not even a guarantee that you will get tank crewman as well.

>>28253248

Well yeah, mechanical shit. But by good job I meant those guys got like $75,000 starting salary. Not a bad wage for someone without a degree. Not to mention you have your GI Bill if you want something different. and this was around 2011, the economy changes.

>>28252578
As a heavy pilot you probably don't need TS or PRP so I'd you really wanted to join you could just lie about it, the privacy act protects your information if you don't provide it. Unless you're flying like an MC 130, or something else AFSOC, you should be fine.

>>28253256

Whatever that means, "combat arms".

Who gives a fuck if you're a 4 year man.

Where are those Army Intel guys?

If you go 35g/n/s, what are the chances you'd be deployed in BfSG vs R&S?

>>28253453
Follow up question

When you get into 35series, what is the deciding factor of what kind of unit you're assigned to? Based on the needs of the Army? Why do some guys go IMINT and some go MASINT, while others go GEOINT? these MOS technically overlap, no?

>>28251226
Get a $10 yoga mat shitlord

>>28253488
Not sure what you are asking. The different INTs are different moses

>>28253519
Some of the different jobs seem to overlap. Like i said, what makes one 35g get stuck in a cubicle in northern virginia, and one in a 6 man team near a hot zone? IMINT and MASINT and GEOINT are all 35g, no?

>>28253532
Needs of the army.

>>28253532
IMINT is a branch of GEOINT but MASINT is a completely different game.

>>28253564
Are there certain "types" they look for during BCT/AIT that are a better fit for each unit, or do they wing it and shit you out where ever you land?

>>28253578
Thanks for clearing that up. What i've read about MASINT, its just a mix bag of things that don't really fit into SIGINT or GEOINT, so i assumed they used a mix of 35g/n/s in those units.

>>28253593
>army in charge of making informed decisions
I'm 35s if you have any questions that I can answer

>>28253593
>Are there certain "types" they look for during BCT/AIT that are a better fit for each unit, or do they wing it and shit you out where ever you land?

No. There are no types during initial training, you are all interchangeable parts. Units request fills and get people, that's it.

>>28253621
ok thanks man

Did they give you a "wishlist" of where you want to go or what you want to do? Is 35s a pretty broad field or is it the same where ever you go? Are you in a cubicle/office type setting or are you deployed? Do you work with other intelligence agencies and contractors or is it mainly Army? What are you going to do when you get out? How fast/easy are promotions?

>just start training
>contract glandular fever

ayy lmao

guess I won't take up lifting for a couple more months

how is everyone else doing?

>>28253223
Look at where her weapon is pointed

>>28253737
are you sure its not an STD

Did anyone save that 18x pasta from yesterday?

Was a good laugh senpai

>>28253745
glandular fever is known as the "kissing disease" you know

>>28250451
>>28253754

>>28253694
>Did they give you a "wishlist" of where you want to go or what you want to do?
Nope
>Is 35s a pretty broad field or is it the same where ever you go?
It's a broad field in the sense that there's many opportunities and career directions. However the work is pretty much the same everyday, not to say that it's not interesting.
>Are you in a cubicle/office type setting or are you deployed?
Windowless office.
>Do you work with other intelligence agencies and contractors or is it mainly Army?
There's branch sites and then there's interagency sites where you can work with the NSA, DIA, and other branches.
>What are you going to do when you get out?
Probably the same thing for a contractor or agency that will pay me more
How fast/easy are promotions?
Eh, not great but it could be worse? Intel probably has the best promotion rates

>>28253758
we get it, you're a stud

or you shared your drink with your boyfriend

>>28253773
either is a distinct possibility tbqh

>>28253764
what made you choose S over the other INTs?

are you the guy who says your whole unit is MtG nerds?

>>28253787
Not sure really. I just wanted something in crypto and this is what I got. I lucked out because I actually enjoy my job
And no, but everyone in anythingINT are fuckin nerds

>>28253837
I'm interested in G, but a lot of that has to do with what I want to do when i get out. If you could go back, would you stick with S or would you go a different route?

I've heard the DS's smoke you for eating desserts in BCT?

Why are they even fucking there then? Also, aren't I completely allowed to eat it? What can they do besides PT me?

>>28253865
why are you eating them? do you need that cupcake? is it going to help you in your training?

>>28253879
I don't really want it. I'm honestly just asking, but I will play devil's advocate.

I'm paying for it, it's allowed, why can I not have it? It's there for me to take, same with the caffine/soda. As long as I pass my PT test there is nothing wrong with it.

>>28253865
>What can they do besides PT me?

PT everyone else.

>>28251809
>bench press bodyweight x5
Holy mother of what how weak physically weak are SF
Also not even 2x bw dead wtf

>>28253892
seems like some weird shit to get butthurt about anon. its not a vacation, its not your gamgam's house

>>28253859
Eh, I went with my gut and no ragrets. You should do the same.

>>28253900
But why?

Me having a cupcake once in a while gonna literally kill our platoon?
If I'm not a fatbody, what's the problem?

>>28253911
But I'm really not butthurt at all, I'm just trying to understand. And like I said, I'm paying it, it's there to take, and it's allowed.

>>28253921
how much arithmetic do you use on a daily basis. the reason i ask is i need an ST score of 101 for 35 series, or an ST:100, GT:100 for 12y. Worried i'm going to be a few points off and they'll tell me "TOO BAD ANON, PARACHUTE RIGGER FOR YOU"

>>28253935
self control and discipline, nigger

>>28253945
Doesn't make sense considering once you're out of the tradoc environment as long as you pass your PT test you can eat all the sweets you want.

>>28253953
alright bro, eat as much bullshit as you want. why in the fuck are you even asking this? whining just to whine. they're going to absolutely love the "but why?" thing you're doing, the cupcakes will be an added bonus

>>28253940
While you don't use actual arithmetic much at all, the reason the requirements are there is because you need to have a mathematical analysis type of thought process to analyze a signal. If that makes sense

>>28253900
Maybe the military isn't for you.

>>28253968
yes, i understand that. btw I'm anon from last thread spamming the asvab questions. just worried i'm going to fuck it up and not get the MOS i want

>>28253966
What are they gonna do? PT me some more?
PT some people I will never see again?

Whatever

>>28253996
>get a load of this faggot

>>28253865
>I've heard the DS's smoke you for eating desserts in BCT?

If you're on a restricted diet, then you are not permitted sweets. If you aren't, or you're on double rations, then go nuts.

>Why are they even fucking there then? Also, aren't I completely allowed to eat it? What can they do besides PT me?

They are there for everyone. Remember there are plenty of fellows there who are there not for basic. They get to eat too. No need for them to suffer more than they have to.

If you're on calorie restriction and you get caught eating something you're not supposed to, they probably won't just PT you, they'll come up with other punishments, like different/shittier work details.

>>28253900
>PT everyone else.

They really don't do that anymore. "Full Metal Jacket" took place in the 1960s and also, it wasn't a documentary.

>>28253996
Military really might not be for you with attitude, toots.

>>28254068
Not like they can really do much to him anymore.

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All fat people should be killed and harvested as a source of bio diesel, candle wax and soap.

That is all. Fuck you and your sweets, you pear shaped, estrogen filled shit bitch.

>>28254266

>MFW I am suddenly glad my new job made me lose weight

>>28254066
It happened in my basic training in 2007, civvie.

>>28254340
USMC, 2004-2009 here. It never once happened to me that the entire platoon was punished for the repeated fuckups of an individual. If a person fucks up and we did not help him, or we laughed at him, we were all punished, but we were never punished for something someone else did.

The military doesn't do lateral punishments like that anymore since it tends to result in the offending recruit being punished by his fellow recruits. The military does not want that. Recruits, being dumber than shit, are not trained on how to properly instruct and motivate a recruit.

A number of changes happened since you were inspired by R. Lee Ermey's Hartman.
First, the military realized that physically beating a recruit did nothing to motivate him or make him learn faster. It just bred resentment and passive-agressiveness
Secondly, they got rid of the draft. Once they went to an all-volunteer force, the military was composed almost entirely of people who WANTED to be there. They aren't being forced anymore. Now, recruits are more motivated and they are receiving training that they want. The threat of being beaten is a distant second to the threat of being kicked out.

>civvie

since you accuse me of being a civilian, you're most likely one yourself.

>>28254266
>mfw you're this butthurt from dumb private who wants to eat cupcakes

>>28254060
Alright, cool. Thanks for an actual non-butthurt response.

I went to MEPS last week, I was actually half a pound underweight, but I wasn't DQ'd. I'm most likely going to be put on double rations, right?

Civilian here. I need some advice from vets for a second.

How do I put up with my asshole relative? He's been enlisted army for two years, and as I figured, he's letting it get to his head. It's at the point that he tries to claim I as a civilian contribute nothing to society despite having a steady job for the last 9 years.

>TL;DR, enlisted relative an egotistical faggot. What do?

>>28254484
He's probably just bitter about having a shit job and/or retarded. Beat the shit out of him or just ignore him.

>>28254484
Tell him you directly contribute to his benefits, and to enjoy them.

If litterally everyone was a soilder his current benefits would be 100% unsustainable.

>>28254484
Veteran here. Don't let it get to you. Honestly. That's it. Thank him for his service and change the subject.

In the military, you are constantly told about how much of a king shit you are. This is necessary, because it's the only way you can get soldiers to suicidally charge a machine gun nest for less pay than a manager at a Dunkin Donuts.

When you get home, though, you realize that you were mentally prepared for a war that never really happened or, in the case of POGs, you get extremely self-conscious about your "lack" of movie-style war experience compared to guys with actual combat experience.
>Did you ever kill anyone?
>Were you ever in a firefight?
>Did you even fire your weapon?
>Did you even ever need to retrieve your weapon from the armory??
>What kind of a veteran are you?

I was at the marine recruiter for 3 hours yesterday
I'm considering dropping out of college and doing MEOP, or going reserves while I get a degree. My problem is I don't have the self discipline to succeed and I don't know a better way to attain it that the corps, in addition to the other attractive qualities of being a marine

>>28254474
>I went to MEPS last week, I was actually half a pound underweight, but I wasn't DQ'd. I'm most likely going to be put on double rations, right?

When I was at BCT I was two pounds overweight, so they put me on restricted diet. Over the course of training I shed so much weight I was actually underweight when I finished. They never took me off the restricted diet even though I was within the normal weight range probably the second day.

>>28254484
He's just one of those dudes that forms their entire identity around the military since they have nothing better going on in their lives, and uses it as some sort of way to feel like he has meaning. Probably wears his combat boots around in public with an America tee shirt.
Don't worry, we hate those guys too.

>>28254577
So what you're saying is I'm going to be given more food for the entire duration even when I'm within the normal weight range?

Honestly not sure what you're trying to say.

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I want to be Kruger when I grow up.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9amT4gr7IBg

What military and what job would let be get the closest to being Kruger?

>>28254599
You will be given extra rations in order to get your weight up. At some point, you will be weighed again and, if you're within normal range, you will be put on normal rations.

>>28254524
I think it's both. He was an egotistical faggot before, but it's gotten way worse.

>>28254552
Ok.

>>28254583
I hear you.

I mean the thing that throws me the most is I've known many other vets who were bros. They went and did their thing, came back, and they've grown to be men worth respecting.

The only joy I can take from this is that during the first year some one dumped a full garbage can into the open top of his shitty old Wrangler, and they did it twice.

>>28254630
>The only joy I can take from this is that during the first year some one dumped a full garbage can into the open top of his shitty old Wrangler, and they did it twice.

Well, it just sounds like he's an asshole and his mates in the Army realize it as well.

>>28254609
>>28250451

>>28254630
Kek

Was it someone that didn't like him or what?

>>28254642
>>28254653

I don't know. What scared me about it was that it happened after I asked on /k/ for any anons in Benning to give him shit.

I didn't mean terrorize his Wrangler. I had to help fix that bitch.

>>28254609

If you want to fuck up someone's day on a very personal level, be a cop, not a soldier.

>>28254552
>in the case of POGs, you get extremely self-conscious about your "lack" of movie-style war experience compared to guys with actual combat experience.

This is so fucking true.

I did two tours in Afghanistan and I do not mention it at all to other Marines. Many of my co-workers who were in the armed forces don't actually know I am a veteran. I've seen how the guys with a CIB talk down to every other veteran, now that no one's rank counts. If this was just a few years ago, they wouldn't say shit if they had a mouthful because I was an E-5 and they were an E-3, but now we're both equal.

I was a Water Dog. (Yes, the same 1171 MOS that Terminal Lance makes fun of all the time.)

>>28253996
pls don't be going to fort sill pls don't be going to fort sill

>>28252977
Huh, that's weird. Did you use one of the skiing things? It's possible you overextended your ankles since it slides back and forth and made it weak, and it wasn't a problem until you went running. I'm not really sure what happened. It should be fine in a couple days though if you use RICE.

>>28253758
Are you talking about mono? Since when do people call it glandular fever?

>>28254653
Nah, probably his grandma

>>28254770
See you there bud :^)

>>28254681
Seriously? A Water Dog?

Do people make fun of you as much as it seems? What do you even do?

How does one become a flight surgeon in the Air Force/Navy? I assume become an officer, but do you also have to go through med school, or will they train you themselves?
It's been a sort of dream of mine to become a flight surgeon for nasa/become an astronaut, so I figured this was the best way of doing so.
[spoiler]and if you're thinking 'why not become a pilot if you want to become an astronaut', it's because my vision doesn't permit it. also if it helps, I scored an 87 on my AFQT[/spoiler]

>>28254681
It's dumb, and anyone that cares that much about it is a faggot.
Don't sweat it dude.

>>28255285
>Do people make fun of you as much as it seems?

We kind of became a joke with those Terminal Lance comics. As funny as he is, he's a bit of a bitter prick too. If you end your enlistment as a Lance Corporal, you can make up excuses, or you can accept the fact that you never applied yourself enough to stand out and merit promotion. He skated, he's proud of it, and has in-built excuses for his lack of advancement.
>muh cutting scores
>hurr at least I'm no POG.

What do you even do?

Plumbers, basically. We set up and maintain the plumbing and water needs of a base. That means keeping the tanks full, setting up and maintaining filtration and de-salinization equipment. The drinking water is all bottled, but the showers still need water.

We are still deployed and when moving between FOBs we typically act as gunners. (Every marine is a rifleman foremost.)

It's actually a pretty interesting job. You get a good workout, you learn some neat skills. You're kept busy but not with busywork.

If I want a 68W+op40 contract what should I not lie about to my recruiter in case I need a clearance later?

>>28255428
Oh, and the best thing about 1171s (and quite a few other jobs): we have girls in our MOS.

Forget about all that talk about women in the military or women in the infantry or any of that shit. This cannot be denied: when you put a bunch of guys in a close, confined space (like the infantry) for any length of time, shit gets extremely gay extremely quickly.

>>28255449
In the exact situation, bumping for advice with this too

>>28255449
>>28255470
Don't lie to your recruiter about anything. That's the best advice. Don't divulge anything he doesn't specifically ask for, but don't lie.

Also, stop thinking in terms of trying to trick the Army. It's not about you and what kind of an awesome job you get. It's about what you do for the Army. Stop thinking about yourself and think in terms of the team and your time in the Army will go a lot more smoothly.

My vision is around 20/500, but I wanna be a pilot, always have. Should I get LASIK before joining the military, or should I join, and see if they'll potentially pay for it?

>>28254846
yes, skiing thing sort of. and yeah i'm never touching that thing again. its feeling better already, i'm just going to give it a break for another day or two then continue real running. thanks /fit/bro

>>28255662
oh, and if it helps, I got an 87 on my AFQT

>>28255662
>>28255662
you need to have it adjusted and have had the lasik 6 months before applying

>>28255693
so no possible way of them paying for it unless i've already done like, a year or two in the service?

>>28255662
Do you have 20/20 when wearing glasses? If so, you can be a pilot.

They want "correctable to 20/20" (meaning with glasses) not just "20/20".

If you have an astigmatism, then nothing can help you. Avoid Lasik if at all possible, because there are plenty of side-effects that can completely kill your piloting ambitions. Just wear your glasses. Lots of pilots wear glasses.

>>28255319
You have to go through med school.

>>28255738
I don't believe I have it, my vision with glasses is currently 20/20. But I thought my uncorrected vision has to be above like, 20/70? Is that something they did away with?

>>28254609
why the fuck is he carrying a sword fuck i hate that liberal south african faggot goddamn and his movies fucking suck

>>28255759
From the Air Force's own site:

Normal color vision
Distant vision: uncorrected 20/200, but corrected to 20/20
Near vision: uncorrected 20/40, but corrected to 20/20
Note: Corrective eye surgery could be a disqualifier.
Meet refraction, accommodation and astigmatism requirements
Have no history of hay fever, asthma or allergies after age 12
Meet Air Force weight and physical conditioning requirements
Have standing height of 64 to 77 inches and sitting height of 34 to 40 inches

>>28254681
guys gotta drink

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Any swefags itt?
Is it preferable to do the gmu for gruppbefäl (11 months) over just standard soldier (9 months) assuming you're capable of it, or is it just two more months of 5000kr/month and no real benefit? Could you become a gruppbefäl later on?

Any nukes at A school atm?

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>>28255820
He used it exclusively for BBQ.

I went from 11B to something and MOS I know nothing about because I never was interested in that field, which was 35F which is intel analyst. I passed on everything except for eye test so no 11B. How fucked am I?

>>28255914
goddamnit I even passed the airborne portion (red,green test, hearing, ear-popping, etc.) only to be taken out for poor eyesight; it really burns me up. Is there any way I can reclass to another MOS if I get LASIK?

>>28255861
I have no idea what you're talking about but I really like the green-dominated camos of mainland European countries.

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Hi /k/illers. Freshman in college here. Wanting to do Marine PLC this coming summer, what can you tell me about this program if anything, also marine officer info? Wanting to get my commission after college, this academia shit is killing me.

Tactical pupper for your consideration and time.

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>>28254681

>Marine
>CIB

I've lurked your other stolen valor posts too. There's a reason your coworkers don't know, you weren't a marine. Or your a fucking stupid one that's full of shit and worse than an infantry motard.

>every marine is a rifleman

Pic related

>>28251248
I definitely do when maxing on a flat bench, but thats pretty much the only time. Yeah it fucks with you when you're trying to do core.

I'm not the person you were responding to though

>>28256079
As I understand, PLC is a much easier path than OCS.

The split sessions is nice, and they give you a little leeway if your GPA starts to dip. With OCS, you're either in or you're out, since you're done with school.

Apply early and often, get your grades up (this is the most important bit), and be able to achieve a 300 with no problem.

>>28253904
You're fucking retarded. Military is 70% rucking/running. No one's going to ask you to bench 405 in SFAS, but they sure as hell are going to make you ruck until you die and make you run until your legs give out.

Lurk more, and stop questioning people who have been through tougher training than you'll ever do in your life.

>>28256174
>Implying military isn't 70%+ sitting around.

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>>28256113

>>28256169
Thanks for this. Does the degree I pursue matter as much as the raw gpa? Appreciate the info

>>28256210
>does the degree matter
I've seen fags with English, Communications or Psychology degrees so no. Get a nice and easy Bachelor of Science and call it a day,

>>28255565
Sound advice, I didn't think about it like that. Thanks breh

>>28255662
Look up vision therapists. They might be able to help your vision non-invasively.

I had 20/200 and now I'm 20/30 in my bad eye and 20/20 in my good one

>>28256198
Fair enough. Still, complaining about how a fitness guide for SFAS/SFQC doesn't include 500 lb deadlifts and 400 lb bench is retarded. It'd be better to put that energy into more running or brushing up on navigation before you get there.

>>28256223
Thanky thanky. I know business is a poof degree but I have some capital built up (ty dead pops) and I want to do big things with it after I serve.

One more thing; is being a marine officer terrible? I hear crap stuff about it but I want to serve as one regardless

Thank you again for your info.

>>28256210
>>28256223
Degree doesn't matter, but there is always an inherent preference towards STEM, particularly engineering. Not necessarily for any prior knowledge, but so many officers are engineering majors, they tend to stick with what they know.

>>28256155
I'm not sure you understood what I was saying. People generally arch their back while benching, not round it. You WANT to round your back while doing core work. You NEVER round your back when working with weights.

If you join combat arms/SOF during this political climate, fully knowing that women are trying to get pushed into this fields you are a fucking fool. Join a pog job and stay away from that shit. At least until all this shit dies down, if it does...

>>28252637
NG boot and army boot is the same thing. In my experience, within the first month we lost about 10 total from our platoon, but they were just non trainers who didn't want to hack it so they faked some shit to get a profile. They EVENTUALLY get sent home, but the paperwork takes so long that if you really hate training, fucking finish it in 10 weeks, because they keep your ass.

The only guy who got sent home was from another platoon, he pissed off everyone he went around and he garnered complaints every time he opened his mouth. That being said, we had a transplant from another company in my platoon, he got kicked out of his company for pointing his weapon down range while 1sg was inspecting grouping shots.

He didn't last long in our platoon either by I don't count him because he was fucked from the start.

Tldr you're an ultimate shitbag for failing any bct

>>28255914
>A bloo bloo bloo I don't get to be infantry.

Trust me, you do not want to be infantry. It's boring as all fuck, you're surrounded by some of the stupidest people on earth and (and this is most important) you...will...not...operate.

Infantry is not operator lite.

To make a /ck/ analogy:
Some super-secret group we've never heard of is unicorn steak.
Delta is a finely dry-aged ribeye
75th Ranger is a tender filet
...
...
...
Infantry is a beef flavor soup packet from a package of instant ramen.

You should be glad you got an intel job. You will see exactly as much combat as the average infantryman, but when you get out, you'll have a real skill. While you're in, you'll also do more interesting work than policing up cigarette butts.

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>>28256588

>he thinks it's going to die down

They'll slowly creep in muddle their effectiveness. Best time is now while the % is low.

>>28256588
>If you join combat arms/SOF during this political climate, fully knowing that women are trying to get pushed into this fields you are a fucking fool.

Good idea. I guess I'll just decide that my dreams are not going to happen for nothing other than shit timing.

Women are NOT being pushed into it. They are volunteering like anyone else. Whether or not they hack it is not your problem. You focus on doing your best and forget everything else. You'll do fine. Soldiers wear many different styles of hat, but fedora is not one of them.

>>28256708
But... Cybercom.

>>28256708
>Women are NOT being pushed into it. They are volunteering like anyone else.

Son, there's a big difference between volunteering for something and being volunteered for something.

First batch will be volunteers. They'll fail. Then standards will be lowered because by God, equality. Then they'll be volunteered, one will somehow pass the lowered standards (with lots of look-the-other-way and "hell, let's just count it") and then what do you know, "Look! A woman passed! EVERY BIT AS GOOD."

>>28257148
Christ almighty, I'd love to know just why you are so insanely threatened by women. What kind of pathology do we have here?

If a woman is in the infantry or even the SEALs, what is it to you? You'll be neither, ever.

Accept that things change and the world never consults you before it changes, so just keep your head down, do your job, and don't be an asshole. (This, but the way, is very good advice for getting by in the military.)

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>>28257281

>mfw the majority of people in support of female combat arms are cucks like this guy

go figure

the only thing women are good for in the military are skill based things like piloting and intel analysis, there's literally no benefit to putting a physical inferior human in a position where strength absolutely matters.

>>28255565
Thanks mayne. What about if I eventually want to get a TS clearance? I was diagnosed with ADHD at 18(but only cause I wanted to, so I could get Ritalin lel). I don't have any misdemeanors/felonies or anything like that. I also experimented with a few drugs

>>28256023
Totally agree man, those guys look badass.

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>I leave for lackland one month from today
>I'm flying to San Antonio for vacation today and will have to fly back for af

>>28257281
Because the standards will be lowered, we saw the same exact thing happen with the first female naval fighter pilot. The standards were lowered, she made it through training even though she shouldn't have, and then she crashed, and killed herself only 6 months out of training. She almost killed her navigator, too.

I'm 27 and a foreigner, can I make it to the spec ops?

>>28257367
>>28257450
>hurr cucks
>standards will be lowered.

Can you actually give me a reason how that affects you? Do you really think that requiring some infantrymen to be able to do fewer pushups or something will reduce the US war ability to such a degree that the US will lose wars?

I think you're grossly, grossly overestimating what the infantry's role is.

In the special forces' case, they have said that they have no problem with women joining, but the standards will not be lowered one bit. If a woman can get through Ranger training (and some women already have in test cases) with the same standards, then will you still be complaining?

>>28257375
>get a TS clearance

Are you American? Are both your parents American? If not, are they both from friendly countries, like Great Britain or are they from Iran or something?
Do you or anyone you're related to have a major criminal record?
Are you or your parents majorly in debt?
Do you have any "holes" in your story? (like a 5 year period where no one can account for your whereabouts.)

If you can answer these questions cleanly, then you can get Top Secret clearance.

>>28257464
>foreigner.

You need top secret clearance for Special Operations.

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>>28257497

>and some women already have

LOL

the only reason they made it through ranger school is they were literally chaperoned by a General.

Also if you can't see why lowering standards for a fighting force would affect it's ABILITY TO FIGHT you're either willfully ignorant because of your love of "equality", trolling, or extremely stupid. I assume it's a combination of the 3.

Also,

>hurr durr you'll never be them anyways so why bother thinking about

Nice projecting you weak willed cuck

>>28257497
As a future 11b, yes it does affect me.

Who is 'they'?
There was a survey on this very thing, surveying people in SOF, and even they did not they women integrating was a good idea. But of course no one gives a shit about their opinion.

http://www.defenseone.com/management/2015/12/special-ops-survey-showed-85-opposed-serving-women/124194/

Anyways, we have seen the standards lowered before to allow women to integrate, albeit with fighter pilots, but it's the same shit.

>>28257529

He could do the MAVNI program for citizenship, then after he has citizenship through MAVNI he could apply for TS.

>>28257529
>You need top secret clearance for Special Operations.

That a yes?

>>28257497

>If a woman can get through Ranger training (and some women already have in test cases) with the same standards, then will you still be complaining?

"got through"

http://www.people.com/article/female-ranger-school-graduation-planned-advance

Also, it's not just about whether or not women can pass the physical standards to become special forces but the effects on unit cohesion that injecting women into the mix has as well. But stupid cucks refuse to believe this is a reality and keep parroting this braindead "WELL IF THEY CAN MEET THE PHYSICAL STANDARDS THEN THAT MEANS THEY'LL FIT IN JUST FINE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE PERFECT" bullshit meme.

>>28257592
If you are a naturalized citizen, you can get Top Secret. If you are on a green card, you are not a naturalized citizen and, therefore, cannot get Top Secret.

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>>28257564
>As a future 11b
You gonna operate, are you?

>>28257626
Good job completely ignoring the rest of my post, and contributing nothing to the discussion.

>>28257464
Don't know about a direct military position, but I'm an Aussie with US TS/SCI and no citizenship or US relatives whatsoever, so it's certainly possible.

>>28257609
>the effects on unit cohesion that injecting women into the mix

This. You take 10 SEALs, all guys, and they're a single-minded team. You replace one a woman, even if she, hypothetically, passed all the qualifications...now you have 9 guys and 1 woman, and those 9 guys will be tripping over one another trying to impress the woman and protect the woman. Christ, they'll be on a mission and they won't think about the mission, they'll be thinking about fucking the woman, and fretting about some other guy getting to fuck the woman. Next thing you know, the team's sniper is shooting his own team-mates because they are sexual competition.

It'd be chaos. And in the infantry, it would be even worse, because those dumbasses don't have a fraction of the self-control of SEALs.

>>28257693

>self control of the SEALs

I'm sure it's different on every team but the SEALs aren't exactly known for their diplomatic composure...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/world/asia/navy-seal-team-2-afghanistan-beating-death.html

>>28257693
I dare say women in that situation will make their position on that clear. They'll either be cumdumpsters or kick your ass for suggesting it. Working with women isn't all that difficult.

>>28257706
>Working with women isn't all that difficult.

No, they're icky. They have parts that I don't have and they talk about feelings and they make me feel weird inside and when I talk to them I stammer and they laugh at me and I wish they would all die.

>>28257529
>Are you American? Are both your parents American?
Yes, and yes
>Do you or anyone you're related to have a major criminal record?
No
>Are you or your parents majorly in debt?
No
>Have and holes in your story
No, Everything is accounted or, work history, highschool, college, etc. I'll be enlisting right out of colege

So just be honest about everything?

>>28257497
>and some women already have in test cases

no women already have. they were given multiple do-overs and try-agains and were then just passed anyway.

pretty sure im gonna flunk out of college this semester (about to finish my 5th semester)
should i just join the army? living with either of my parents for a semester before even being eligible to reapply, with no promise of getting back in, will be hellish at best.

>>28257811
You should ask yourself why are you flunking out in the first place

>>28256676
Did you think I was just joining infantry as the end-all-be-all? Why do you think I had Airborne in my medical request?! I was going for 75th in Benning and in the end it was just my eyes that fucked me over, not my Asvab scores, not my physical. Would that not piss you off if you watched your future get pissed away just like that?!

>>28257827
and what if i know why? its too late for me to do anything about it now.

>>28257857
Give us the reason and we can help you out more

>>28257857
Why are you flunking out of college?

Are you just a fat disgusting slob who stays home, never goes to class, and never studies? Well if so, if you join the Army you're probably gonna have a bad time.

You catch my drift?

I have to know: can I go right into an STO slot, or do I have to have prior time in military?

>>28257706
See, here's something to consider:

Women already serve in the military in mixed-gender units and they do just fine. They just don't serve in front-line units yet. When you put this into perspective, a lot of the arguments against women in combat get a little diluted.

>Physical strength, women don't have it.

Not as much as men, but women still serve in roles where strength is FAR more of a necessity than infantry. Women load bombs onto planes, they serve as loadmasters, operate in construction crews, etc. Infantry requires endurance, not brute physical strength.

>A woman can't carry a 250lbs man wearing 100lbs out of a firefight.

No one can. I was 68W and I'm 5'8" and 145lb. You know what I was told to do about guys who weighed considerably more than me? Drag the guy.

>Women and men will naturally form pair-bonds. This significantly changes a unit's dynamic.

True, but now you're arguing that women should not be in the military at all, because they're already serving in plenty of mixed-gender units and the world hasn't ended. Guys also form friendships with each other too, though. The guys the sergeant likes seem to get punished less and get easier jobs.

>Women will get raped.

That's something the military needs to fix. Saying, "it's bound to happen" is not in any way acceptable. Also, a quarter of sexual assaults in the military involve guy-on-guy, and that figure is probably grossly understated since no one is going to admit to being raped by a man.

>>28257865
because im stupid, and unmotivated.
>>28257878
im not a disgusting fat slob who stays at home, never goes to class, and never studies.
im a disgusting idiot who just cant focus and even though i try to study i find it hard. and i fucked up last semester and took two classes way above my ability this year, had to drop one, changed my major, and did good in two classes, but if i get below a 70 on the final for my third class ill fail, even though i did well on every assignment, i just tanked the tests.

i dont think id do well in the military, but i never talked to anyone whos actually been in it about joining, thats why i didnt go straight out of high school. i only know what it will be like from movies.

>>28253178
Army has the better tanks, and crewmen its why i'm either going Mechanized Infantry, or Armor with the Cavalry.

>>28257898
>Women load bombs onto planes
With Winch's or more "persons" than required men
>they serve as loadmasters
With Winch's and Forklifts
>operate in construction crews, etc
Yet again with forklifts/heavy equipment

>>28257843
You didn't mention your intent to go for RASP in your post, just infantry.

Sorry your eyesight is poor.

My advice: enjoy your intel job. Being resentful of your job will make your enlistment term absolutely miserable. A lot of people would kill for that MOS. Remember that you are part of a team. The Army succeeds, the individual soldier does not.

>>28257936
>guys can load a 500lb bomb with their bare hands.

What strength does the infantry require, exactly?

>>28257902
in one of my classes, the only day i missed, was a field day, on the wednesday before thanksgiving, with shitty weather. and i was going to go to it but my friend said i didnt have a choice and he came and picked up, i shit you not this kid came even though i told him not to. i only missed two days for one that was early in the morning because i slept through them by accident and one day of the third class because i had an allowed absence and i hate that class and already knew all the information, but i still turned in all the assignments except for one ungraded homework that was practice for a test which i aced and two shitty online discussion posts which i did about half of.
this was easily one of my most productive semesters, even with dropping the fourth class and potentially failing the third. and i have a job, if that means anything to you.

>>28257948
Just pointing out that
>Not as much as men, but women still serve in roles where strength is FAR more of a necessity than infantry
Is fucking retarded as all those positions either require multiple people to do the job, OR proper equipment that takes strength out of the equation. The "persons" comment was that most equipment will have tags like "4 man lift or 5 person".

All those positions are also one off instances that require such strength/technical knowledge instead of huffing a pack/foot patrolling for miles/hours at a time.

TL:DR Apples:!oranges

>>28257902
Are you just not getting the material of your classes?

If you're studying and you're not getting it, it must be your method of studying. What is your major?

>>28257980
the one im failing it is. its about making maps using the computer. i can do the labs, but when it comes down to the tests about how the program works, it all might as well be in latin to me. i dont know, nor could i give a shit, how computer programs work.

my major is environmental studies. because i cant see myself working a 9-5 in an office all day every day. high school was bad enough.

>>28257999
idk if it would be pertinent to add that i also take on about $10,000 in student loans per year. which is fairly reasonably, but more than i can pay off at $9 an hour.

>>28257999
There are always going to be some classes you don't like.. but I guess part of the college experience is doing shit you don't like, and trying your best to do it well.

Anyways, I would say go for it. It'll get you out of mom & pop's house, a steady paycheck, and if you so choose, you can come back with the GI bill. But just know that joining the military is another set of bullshit you will have to endure.

>>28258039
but at least its bullshit ill be getting paid for and actually learning valuable life skills. all ive learned from college, as far as life instead of facts, is that even though ive had the worst hangover of my life, i can still tolerate the taste of vodka, unlike a lot of my friends.

>>28257148
>people who will never join the military pretending to know exactly how training goes

>>28256023
Haha it sure does. Basically the question is weather it's worth to extend the basic education for Swedish army by 2 months towards a posistion of being in charge of groups of about 10 people, instead of just being your average grunt. The perks is a higher rank and more difficult job straight away, the negative is that you get really shit pay during the basic education compared to when it's actually your job, so, two months of shit pay.

>>28257626
If they let in women some scrawny japanese schoolgirl is gonna have to pull him to safety on board on the secret operations mothership after he is valianty injured raiding the terrorist base on a desert island in the middle of the night, but she wont be strong enough to haul his 250 pounds of rippling muscle.

>>28257693
>SEALs are going to murder each other over the girl
And this thought process is exactly why you will fail any psych eval to get into the armed forces you edgy fucking beta

>>28257898
What is this? A non-autistic 4chan post? I don't believe my eyes.

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>>28258442
Whoops, sure does look pretty cool* is what I meant.

>>28258442
That sounds pretty worth it to me. So would you be a squad leader then?

>>28251665

If you're worried about people crushing your dreams, you clearly don't want it bad enough.

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>>28258522
Yeah, pretty much. You need to pass a bunch of special tests early on to get to do it, but I would really like to. 2 extra months isn't that much either really, so I guess the pros sort of smash missing out on better pay for just two months.

>>28251665
If you really want to get the Nike whatever boots that aren't bad, you can if you want. But if you run in old combat boots "because they did it back then and they were cool!" you are just gonna fuck yourself up. You'll probably be fine just sticking with regular running shoes.

>>28258579
Sounds like a no-brainer to me, swedebro

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>>28258650
Yeah, now that I think about it, it really seems worth to give it a shot.

is it really as much running as everyone makes it seem?

>>28258494
I know I'm going to regret this...

I am a woman, I am in the Army as an 88M (IED finder). Was active, now reserves. My unit did two tours in Iraq.

I can speak to some of the concerns:

The strength thing: I could do enough push ups to meet the men's minimum requirement. The minimum requirements for the men aren't exactly hard. 42 push ups in 2 minutes is harder for a woman but it's nothing crazy. With a little bit of training a woman can build up enough upper body strength to meet the minimum men's requirements. The sit ups requirements are equal anyway and the running requirements are practically walking pace.

Dealing with men: It's literally like everywhere else. 99% of the men are fine and treat people with decency and respect. 1% are assholes. There's actually more assholes in college than there were in the Army. The same guys that made really rude cracks about women would be the same ones that made offensive jokes about gays or black people or Mexicans or whatever.

>>28259001
More

>>28259001
Depends on country and branch, but generally, being in a military includes a lot of walking and running.

While it's not exactly a routine or anything, I always found running in the dark to be nice because it makes you think less about distance, which helped me to get started with running.

>>28259012

My dad was in for twenty years. He always says that the strongest woman in a unit is weaker than the weakest man. You do realize that this exact statement describes your situation entirely, correct?

>>28259086
not her, but it only describes the average. there are definitely women out there who are stronger than some men.

>>28259086
Certainly, the meat head who was benching 300lbs, but was too damn stupid to write his own name without peeking at his name tape was, in fact, a lot stronger than me.

If we were playing football or something, I'd be a liability, but we were doing a job, and being stupid and/or lazy is a lot more of a liability than being weak.

A lot of my my sister soldiers were well aware of this stigma of weakness and made it a point to compensate with hard work just to get to "even". Volunteering for any duty ever. Going as fast as possible and double checking everything twice just to overcome the idea of "she's just a girl and shouldn't be here."

>>28259086
>the strongest woman in a unit is weaker than the weakest man

The strongest woman likely shows effort. The weakest man likely cannot improve himself. I'd rather have that woman in my platoon.

>>28257807
>confirmed for not knowing anything.

Recycles in Ranger school are the norm.

>>28259086
Good thing life isnt a push up competition

>>28259228
One good thing about women being not being in combat roles is that they aren't as bugged by the name POG.
Guys get really fucking pissed off when you call them POG. Girls had no real problem with being called POG because a.) they had no choice but to be POGs and b.) it's hardly the worst thing they were ever called.

>>28253223
She has her m9 and m16 pointed at her gut.

>>28259352
>Recycles in Ranger school are the norm.
Correct.

Failing lanes/getting your patrol wiped out and being given a GO, is not.

Getting significant amounts of negative peer evals and graduating is not.

Female "observers," assorted brass, and politicians observing and interfering in cadres' abilities to observe/evaluate lanes/patrols, is not.

Being told that high ranking civilian officials want to know when the females graduation date (hint, they're not asking IF they graduate) is not.

I'm not saying that the females currently wearing their Tab didn't try/are shitbags. But they sure as fuck didn't earn them like everyone else that came before them.

If you believe otherwise, you are deluded. There is nothing about the circumstances of that class that fit "the norm."

>>28259615
Any word if there was truth to the bit where they got recycled multiple times where men in the same groups were given the door and good luck next time?

>>28259689
As long as they didn't VW, they were permitted to stay.

>>28255834
>Distant vision: uncorrected 20/200, but corrected to 20/20
that right there says you need 20/200 uncorrected...and I have 20/500 uncorrected

>>28259615
Unconfirmed rumors: The Post

Is everyone here enlisted or does anyone have any experience with the USUHS? What exactly is officer training anyways? I'm sure it seems like a cakewalk compared to basic.

>>28259833
USUHS is the a medical officer producing college for the military. You go in, and become a licensed MD, and commission into any of the branches. It's very competitive, last board had something like a 7% selection rate, with an average MCAT of 31. It's easier to get into some civilian med schools.

Anyways, I'm applying to med schools next year and I will not be pursuing USHUS. I'm going to instead pursue an Army HSPS scholarship was pays 100% of my tuition, and provided a monthly tuition.

I've heard USHUS being very similar to the academies in terms of high academic, and a lot of PT. I don't have any first hand experiences, since I'm still a pre-med student, but this is just from a lot of online researching and shit.

Officer training for medical officers is different, focused more on medical stuff obviously. Being a doc in the military is much different from being a normal officer. Do you know about the military's residency program?

>>28259802
You have no idea who the fuck you're talking to, do you

>>28259934
Yeah, I've done quite a bit of research into it and I guess I was hoping that someone here had gone through it, because right now the HSPS scholarship looks alot more appealing. However, I see no reason not to apply to USUHS in addition to civilian medical schools in case I don't get into any.

My main other hesitation would be that the AF and Navy sometimes require GMO deployments for the more competitive residencies.

>>28259957
Honestly you'll get into a civilian school before USHUS, unless you're applying to like Harvard or Hopkins. And yes, the HSPS is attractive as fuck, but it's a pretty long commitment to the Army (Residency + repayment years). What are your stats?

Also sorry for all my typos, didn't read over my post.

>>28259995
3.6 GPA, Haven't taken MCAT yet, EMT Work experience, medical trip to Haiti, 2 weeks of shadowing, 100+hrs of volunteering, 2 6-month clinical lab co-ops at hospitals in Boston. Working on kissing ass enough to a professor to get published.

I've always been curious about the military and some of the shit that Military Physicians get to do is absolutely crazy, like the idea of being a critical care surgeon who can operate on wounded soldiers in the air. Plus, the paid for medical school and benefits are absolutely insane.

>>28260062
It's very possible that the publishing just isn't going to happen, and my LOR are probably so-so.

The consensus on the internet seems to be that a 3.5 and what was a 29 on the MCAT was almost an auto-acceptance.

>>28260062
Not bad. I have a 3.5, also have not taken the MCAT. About 200 hours in a hospital, and about 50 hours shadowing.

Do you have any research? I go to a small state school and have not seen the opportunity to research, and don't even know where to find it. I'm also URM, so I guess I have a small advantage there, but I don't flaunt that.

You ever considered DO?

I was going to enlist when I was 18, but I had to get a surgery, while I was in and out of the hospital for a few weeks I fell in love with medicine, and decided to go to college and pursue medicine instead. But the desire to serve never left me.

>>28260078
I'd say a 30, with a 3.5, and you'd get accepted somewhere.

>>28260143
I'm currently trying to get into research but it's probably not going to happen. I'm not URM, because there's 100000 jews in medicine.

It's not that I have something huge against DO school, but I'd prefer MD. Luckily Florida has close to 9 MD programs and 6 DO schools, so in state would be feasible.

However, I've also heard that if you are going in-state there is no reason to take the scholarship because your compensation is underwhelming compared to a civilian sector job. So we'll see.

My Grandfather was a Navy Physician, but my father never served. I can't put my finger on why I want to do it, but I get a huge boner whenever I get to touch/see anything military.

>>28259949
Not him, but I assume Ricky is a known trip?

>>28260193
Hes a career Ranger and its pretty much an open secret hes in RRC because of the pics and videos he posts

>>28260143
Yeah. DO would be a last resort for me. There's like 8 or 9 MD schools up in NY, and they're even opening up a new one next year in Harlem.

Well, you are commissioned as an O3 in the Army. So you'd be taking almost 4k in base pay day 1, compared to a resident making maybe 40-50k for 3-7 years. There's a lot a huge amount of debt going to med school obviously.

What specialties are you interested in?

Obviously subject to change during med school, but right now surgery or critical care of some sort.

In the military we don't have to worry about Malpractice insurance, insurance companies, prescription availability, any of that. We would get paid/get a stipend in school, and receive higher pay than most residents, and have no debt. It just seems like a great deal overall, unless you get shafted and put on a base in the middle of nowhere.

>>28260215
Dope. Good info. /k/'s wiki doesn't have a list of trips, does it?

>>28260316
no clue if it does its probably old

>>28260316
It does but Ricky is the only one on the list I've seen in at least the last dozen+ threads

>>28260345
To be honest, now that most of the other military guys are gone, the board has gone to shit. Just not as entertaining as it used to be.

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2dt5czt&s=5#.VnY6NPkrKWi

Oldie, but a goodie.

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>>28254066
Dude, this is definitely a thing. It turns everyone else against you. We had some dumb bitch try to sneak some ice cream and the whole platoon got the shit smoked out of us for like 2 hours in the beating south Carolina Sun.

>all of our faces when
We hated the bitch for a long time and she got treated like shit by US for a while.

Went through Sept-Nov 2012

>>28260282
I'm interested in surgery, pediatrics, and of course derm. Anyways, good luck on your MD journey anon.

say i get in as an officer and do a few years can i do a lateral transfer to that medical program where they pay for med school?

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Can I go straight in as a special tactics officer or do I have to do a couple of years in the Air Force first?

>>28260759
I'm sure it's possible..

But why bother? Just try to get into med school in one go. You already need your degree to commission, might as well take the mcat and apply to med schools.

>>28260819
i already applied for ocs. besides im not in the going to med school mood right now or know whether thats what i even want out of life anyway

Question for Ricky...

Do the PYSOPS guys let you use their helicopter speakers for music?

>>28260627
They don't do it anymore for the exact reason that it turns everyone against you. Fostering divisiveness and resentment is not in the interests of the military.

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>>28260365
>tfw i may get the chance to do this

Thanks ricky

Hey /meg/

I want to join the Navy as an enlisted soldier. I want to be stationed on a sub working as an IST but I'm not really sure what I need to do in order to join the Navy.

I can't drive (family won't let me get driver's license) and my family doesn't support this decision to join the armed forces. My nearest recruiter is an hour and a half drive away so I'm asking here what should I do?

>>28261430
get someone to drive you or take a bus, or walk i guess.

Hey /k/, I might go into combat soon, but in the past few weeks I developed a scary amount of anxiety about it and I have become afraid of shooting someone.

How to I overcome the fear of killing?

>>28261495
stalk the city at night, find an undesirable, and murder them.

>>28261495
You nut the fuck up and do what you gotta do to make sure your fucking friends don't get killed. What is your MOS?

>>28261526
Yeah, I get it. If it has to be done it has to be done, I am just worried that a second of hesitation due to "oh God I'd rather not do this" could have a bitter cost; having no qualm whatsoever would be a lot more practical and I was asking myself how to shut down all feeligs about it.
Not US military btw.

>>28261563
The military (or whatever job has you deploying and possibly taking contact) isn't for you if you object to killing people.

>>28261582
I don't object to it, I used to have no issue with the idea until a month ago or so. Went through my basic training and all, but after the Paris attacks happened I was so angry that I kind of burned out or something and developed a lot of anxiety about combat/self-defense scenarios. I want to go back to what I was before, but I don't know how to do it.

>>28261604
probably you always felt this way, it was just so far away you didnt really feel it acutely. now it actually is possible, your worried.

>>28261609
It is a possibility, but I wasn't that concerned after Hebdo and this whole anxiety thing is happening very close in timing to other personal bullshit that is messing with me. I am more inclined to think that the issue is somewhere else, personally.

>>28261604
Sounds like you're getting over the LOLCAWADOODY KILLSANDNIGGRZ!!!XD phase and beginning to come to terms with what war really is.
It's a shitty situation, it fucking sucks, and it's scary. But you need to charge through it. Practice what you've learned in training on your own, when you receive training take it seriously, a la "train how you fight". Don't put too much thought into it or you'll psyche yourself out. If you've done everything right, when the time comes for the metal to meet the meat then your body will go on autopilot and muscle memory will keep you safe(r). Never second guess yourself, and trust your gut.

>>28261648
Aside from the fact that I never really thought in those terms, I see what you mean and it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the advice, anon.

Going marines, have not decided between engineering intel or air traffic. anyone have any opinions?

At this point, what kind of path would be recommended for a 27 year old (turned 27 couple of weeks ago) non-citizen without a greencard in order to get to SF or Rangers?

Is 18x still possible? Or should I enlist and how do things proceed after enlisting?

>>28261731
motor t

>>28259408
>guys get pissed off by POG

No true POG does. POGs have it better in literally every way, the least we can do is humor the infantry.

"Yeah, sure buddy, I'm a POG. I'm going to go back inside my air conditioned office building and drink coffee while working on some college credits, okay? Enjoy the motor pool!"

>>28256660
he is pretty much the family fuck up, figured he would either get thrown out or become a tragic friendly fire "Accident" casualty

>>28262717
>true POG

In the peacetime military, the infantry is simply the bottom of the barrel, the guys who couldn't score high enough on the ASVAB to get a non-mouthbreather's job. The infantry did nothing except busywork and marching in circles, training for a war they would never fight.
There was no POG in the current sense because NO ONE fought.

Then when we went to war for over a decade, suddenly a warrior class emerged. The infantry, whose presence was once a barely tolerable necessity, now became a group of combat veterans who flexed their muscle over those whom they now deemed "too cowardly to fight".

Being a POG was a lot easier when it meant that you were fulfilling a function while the grunts would never fulfill theirs.

The majority of POGs don't care about the term. They know they had a job on a very large team and they did it as well as they could. They take pride in their work and they enjoy the perks of having a job that also has access to air conditioning.
A small minority of POGs realized too late that they could have been infantry and actually have a war experience closer to what people back home think of when they see war movies.

What most POGs don't like, however, is the implication that comes with the modern use of the term: that their contribution is worth less than the contribution of a grunt who marched beyond the wire.

>United States Marines must have a proficiency and conduct rating of 3.0/4.0 or higher to receive an honorable discharge

Is it considerably harder to get a honorable discharge in the marines than any other branch?

>>28263017
>considerably
Not considerably harder.

Literally, just don't be a fuckup. It's not hard.

>>28263017
I've always wondered how you could fuck up so bad to get a dishonorable/other than honorable? I have a buddy with an oth who refuses to get it changed to honorable. everyone says its just some paperwork and you're good, i wonder what the deal is

>>28263042
I'm mostly asking because I'm 100% clueless when it comes to the US military (I'm Swiss+Greencard).

From what I understand people with a general discharge don't qualify for the GI Bill. Aka the main reason why I consider joining one of the branches in the near future.

>>28261081
I'm in basic now and I can tell you 100% that yes, your whole platoon will get smoked for some dumb shit that one kid will do. Eating bullshit is indeed one of them, we had some porkster add 4 cookies to his plate one Sunday and the DS didn't seem mad, just "alright, ok 4th platoon, I see how y'all are, that's cool, that's cool," but then later we had to pt as a platoon in the classroom till the walls fucking dripped.

Besides that, I can't count how many times we've done pt and instead of sounding off the count (1,2,3 ONE), we sound off with "THANK YOU, [PRIVATE]."

What's hotel 8 school supposed to be exactly? I've googled it and the info I've found makes it seem like it's just extra work for a 91b, but nothing special, just more of the same training.

I've talked to everyone I can throughout basic, and nobody but me seems to have this. It's just an extra 4 weeks either way.

Do Marines treat Tank crews as POGs, or is it like a different thing for them since they're also in combat?

>>28263193
Still POGs, just not REMFs. If your MOS doesn't start with an 03, you are a POG.

Tankers and artillery crews have extremely cool jobs, but they are still POGs.

You're either infantry, or you ain't.

>>28262807

I give zero fucks about "a real war experience". My time in service got me a degree and a six figure civvy job instead of PTSD and a drinking habit. No ragetz.

>>28263281
So they still shit on them too? Shame, I thought driving around a big fucking gun would earn some respect in some form

>>28263293
Oh, tankers are certainly respected, but it does not change the fact that they are POGs. To the grunts, this also means that they are "gifted" easy promotions and an all-around easier life.

The grunts have always been at the bottom rung of the ladder and have always been looked-down on as "stupid-ass grunts". The term "grunt" is a descriptor of their vocabulary. The creation of the pejorative term POG gives the grunts something that they can use to look down on everyone else.

Believe me, the officers are working very hard to get rid of this sort of meaningless division. It does nothing but foster resentment among what should be a unified Corps.

>>28263193
Tankers are guys who really wanted to be in the Army, but still wanted to be Marines. Air Wing are guys who really wanted to be in the Air Force, but still wanted to be Marines, etc.

The Marines' greatest triumph ever is one of marketing. Look at the recruiting campaigns for all the services.
The Army, Navy, and Air Force promise...what? skills that translate in the real world? help paying for college? bring food aid to dispossessed refugees? boring.

The Marines doesn't promise any of that. They just promise one thing: you get to be a Marine; with the super-effective slogan "The Few. The Proud. The Marines." Every young kid sees that as an opportunity to be a super-soldier while still maintaining his special snowflakeness.

Of course, by maintaining that mythos and forcing it just like a meme, you get a legion of moto douchebags who actually buy into all of it.

>>28255428
I'm going infantry myself but your job seems like a nice way to learn a trade but still get a tiny bit of action/outside the wire time. Doesn't sound like you deserve the flak you get honestly.

Hello fellow aspirants. I'm wanting to be a Royal Marines officer and need to be fit to pass the POC in approximately a year's time. I'm more or less sedentary currently although I do the occasional one mile jog or pullups in the door frame if I'm bored.

Feeling a bit overwhelmed about how to go about training/setting up a routine, any suggestions?

>>28259949
Not an RI.

>>28263111
That guy has had 4 different people tell him that mass punishment still goes on in training environments and still claims that it's a myth.

>>28263144
How to drive a tow truck.

You "can't" drive a wrecker without it.

>>28263537
Do you have access to a gym? Experiance with longer runs or marching?
When I started off I would train core strength twice a week at the gym, run 10km twice a week and walk 20-30km once a week. The running was sometimes swapped for swimming to help prevent injury from overdoing it. Hard to just give a general routine/schedule as it's always pretty individual. Can you do ten chin ups at the moment? Can you run 10km in under 50 minutes?

>>28263596
4 weeks active pay to learn how to drive? I'll take it, boss

Hey do I get a high speed id?

>>28264229
We were always short on people with H8. It's also extra promotion points.

What do you mean by high speed ID?

>>28264266
Like a driver's license that says I cab drive a tow truck?

Does wearing glasses only disqualify you for piloting fighter jets

Can you still pilot B-52s or C-130s

>>28263318
>>28263450
It's certainly an interesting case
It sucks because I want to be a tanker, but the army has such a stigma against them of being for the lazy/unfit, and the marines have the stigma of being for the stupid and brutish.

>>28264505
As long as you're vision is correctable to the standards, yes you can fly with glasses. Many people fly with glasses, you get issued some really "pretty" military glasses.

You can also get contacts, but it would have to approved with the flight doc, and you would need to be wearing them for 6 months. That's at UPT, not sure how they do it in other places.

I'd recommend getting LASIK/PRK though.

>>28252542
Alex?

>>28264505
Here is the actual reg

AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 11-202,
VOLUME 3


2.9. Aircrew Flight and Survival Equipment. Wear and use authorized clothing and
equipment IAW AFI 11-301, Volume 1, Aircrew Flight Equipment (AFE) Program, AFI 16-
1301, Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) Program, MAJCOM guidance, Special
Instructions (SPINS), and the aircraft technical order (T.O.) (T-1).
2.9.1. Spectacles. Crewmembers that require corrective spectacles while performing
aircrew duties must only use Air Force-provided spectacles (T-1). Crewmembers must also
carry a spare set of clear Air Force-provided spectacles while performing aircrew duties (T-
1).
2.9.2. Sunglasses. MAJCOMs will determine the types of sunglasses approved for flight.
2.9.3. Contact Lenses. Crewmembers who desire contact lenses must consult a flight
surgeon, meet criteria, and follow guidelines outlined in AFI 48-123. While performing
aircrew duty, comply with paragraph 2.9.1. (T-1).
2.9.4. Laser Eye Protection. MAJCOMs that permit aircrew laser eye protection will
publish specific guidance on training and use prior to in-flight use. Aircrew will follow AFI
11-301, Volume 4, Aircrew Laser Eye Protection (ALEP), when potential laser hazards
exists.
2.9.5. Night Vision Devices (NVDs). Crewmembers must undergo a MAJCOM-approved
initial certification course IAW AFI 11-202, Volume 1, Aircrew Training, prior to their
initial flight with NVDs (T-1). If wearing clear spectacles, contact lenses, or laser eye
protection with NVDs, conduct pre flight adjustments wearing both (T-1).

>>28264585
wait...so if my vision is worse than 20/200, as long as I have glasses, I can still get a pilot slot? My dream of being an astronaut is still possible?

>>28264619
Yes, but contacts/corrective surgery are recommended. There are problems with glasses.

What jobs have good bonuses right now?

>>28264672
I'm sure 92g has a bonus

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35F Option 40 Ranger Intel Analyst, leaving for BCT in 8 days

>>28264648
Holy shit...I cannot tell you how happy I am, I've gone the past few years cursing my vision because I never thought i'd get the chance to pilot...thank you so much for letting me know this. I assume AFROTC/NROTC and USNA/USAFA have around the same chances of getting pilot slots, with favor leaning slightly towards the academies?
I got an ~85 on my AFQT, not sure if that in any way would benefit my potential

>>28264720
Let's say there are 1000 slots

600 to the academy
400 to ROTC
Whatever cannot be filled would be given to OTS/OCS. Obviously it is more complex, but that's just a general break down.

Check out this site for more info

http://www.baseops.net/archive/archiveupt.html

There is a lot of info on that site regarding everything air force pilot. From selection to doing well in upt, really everything.

>>28264738
Alright thanks

>>28263111
>I'm in basic now

Lol wut

is this some sort of christmas exodus bullshit? Or are you lying?

>>28264919
Well you do get leave in BCT...

>>28263623
>access to a gym
don't currently have a membership but I could get one if needed
>experience with longer runs?
The most I've ever done is a 5k, no marching experience.

I can do ten chinups, but I ran 10k in one hour 30. Mind you, that was over sand dunes, not flat/even ground.

>>28264585
>>28264611
Thanks bros, I'm going to do it

Even if it's not jets, I want to learn how to pilot

I see this thread is at the limit so I doubt my question will get answered effectively so I will ask it again in a later thread, but here goes.

I recently turned 25 and I've pretty much meaninglessly been flitting through life. Went to CC and got an associates degree. Moved on to university and am just a semester or two away from getting my bachelors, but totally lost interest in what I was doing and saw the whole thing as pointless. So I cut my loses and just stopped going. I've now about 20k in student loan debt, and have started to have the desire to go back and finish my degree. I work full time as a pharmacy technician and make not unlivable pay at 30K per year.

I realize that what I'm missing out on in life is a sense of accomplishment, discipline, and skill. I've been toying around with the idea of joining either the National Guard or the Reserves. Both are local and I would be able to keep my full time job and all that in addition to getting that supplemental pay which would be equivalent to a car payment or what have you. The main benefit I would be after would be student loan repayment. And since I'm so close to finishing my bachelor's degree the thought has crossed my mind that while enlisted I could get that tidied up, and apply to be an officer and get that pay increase.

Does anyone have an experience with being in the AR or NG?

>>28264919
My choices were either a 200$ plane ticket home, or staying at fort Jackson with all the foreigners who can't afford tickets home, and one or two drill sergeants who either don't have family, or don't get to see family.

Yeah, I'm on leave

>>28264711
Nice, 11x opt 40 for me. Ship Jan 3rd.

>>28250431
Oh and new thread

>>28265596
>>28265596

>>28264415
You should get it at the end of the course. It's a little slip of paper.