VP9 BTFO

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>Watching now
>MFsofar

Who would have ever guessed that imitation Glocks sold at a ridiculous premium would be bad

>>28064265
That last Bond flick sure had some meme guns in it. VP9, Arsenal AF-1 carbine, and the AF2011 Prismatic Dueller were all prominently featured.

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>that half of the mag release falling off

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>>28064265
>mfw

>>28064265
HK's glock knock off sucks. How is this surprising?

>>28064265

lol what a piece of shit

cant wait to see what vp9 fags have to excuse this performance

HKfags btfo. Glock is still king

>>28064265
I wish somebody would do this same sort of testing on the P99/PPQ.

Comparing the trigger mechanism of the two I'd expect the Walther to handle the grit a bit better since it's got relatively few places for grit to get bound up.

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>>28064265

bumping with polymer masterrace

>>28064673
took a look at my PPQ and there are more voids so maybe it'd handle grit better/could force the grit out of the way
the paddle breaking was kind of surprising but I guess if you were to hit in the right spot (from the bottom up) it would break too

Move aside VP9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZTRjXD7AVU

>>28064715
Yeah the paddle is a more fragile design than a standard button release since more of the release is exposed to potential damage. To me it's worth the trade off of not having to worry about accidental mag release and personally I find the paddle faster

>>28064768

>accidental mag release

nobody ever has this unless they put on an extended mag release. only manlets with baby hands need extended mag releases

>>28064783
meh... I've heard of it happening, particularly with leather or hybrid holsters. If I were to switch to a gun with a button release I'd probably pick up a full kydex holster (as much as I like my mtac) and call the problem solved.

>>28064847

been carrying a glock 19 for 5 years in OWB leather, OWB kydex, IWB leather, IWB kydex, hybrid holsters, appendix carry, and anywhere from 3-5 oclock and never had it happen. but youve heard of it so it must be true

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>>28064872
>didn't happen to you and therefore can't happen

http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-388592.html

>>28064265
wheres the vp9 fag poster.

>OP was not a fag today :^]

>>28064929

>subjective information on a forum is more valid than personal experience

sure.

>>28064929

>literally no mention of a glock mag being dropped while holstered on that forum you linked.

if youre going to make an argument and back it up with something, at least find something that argues your point

>>28064965
>people on a forum's personal experience are less valid than the personal experience of someone on a chinese cartoons imageboard

wut?

Dude I'm not saying this shit is common but a paddle mag release does prevent it from happening.

>>28064987

Was arguing button vs paddle not glock vs everything else.

Good reading comprehension though.

>>28065000
and so does heel release, it doesn't change that it's shit.

>>28065000

>i said mag drops from holsters dont happen on glocks

>you post some link trying to argue that it can happen

>nothing on your forum that says someone has mag drops from a glock from a holster

im saying it doesnt happen on glocks, you cant provide evidence that it does happen on glocks

>b-but muh forum says it happens to people pocket carrying taurus and beretta garbage

get the fuck out of here

>>28065022
...hey...a heel release is more foolproof than a paddle release....

>>28065011

carrying a revolver eliminates the risk of a mag drop too, but mag drops from holsters dont happen unless youre using shit tier holsters. you dont need to reinvent the wheel i.e. paddle releases because of irrational fears. buy a decent gun and a decent holster instead of defending meme guns

>>28065076
Not defending the VP9 either. I like the USP and the P99 though and they both use paddles without being shit.

>>28064265
also check for butthurt

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/228774-mac-vp9-torture-test.html

>>28065175

I have no problems with either i just dont see the point of reinventing something proven and simple.

>>28064265
I chose the Sig P320 over the two. Still waiting for a good torture test on that gun. The 1000 round torture test yielded good results.

>>28064783
I did this when shooting my friend's HK 45. I wasn't used to .45 recoil at the time, so the palm of my support hand was hitting the release paddle when the gun recoiled.

>>28065237
because germans

have you seen their cars?

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>>28065281

fair enough

>mac does a few "tests" and eventually chooses the bushmaster ACR over the scar16
>mac shills the tavor for years, even in his farewell kalashnikov video
>mac shills the vp9 until he realizes it's totally dogshit, which most of /k/ knew all along

When are people going to stop listening to what this shitburger has to say?

>>28065380
Well, he preferred the ACR personally, and I don't see anything after the trigger and the price wrong with the tavor. I don't want it to seem like I would defend anything MAC says, but in this case I don't see much of a problem.

>>28064265
>Glocks can get maritime spring cups just for shit like this
>They literally don't need them 99.9999999% of the time and function flawlessly
>P230 can get used and abused and keep on running
>M&P can get used and abused as long as it isn't 9mm
>XD's are more resilient
>Walthers run circles around these, but Walthers aren't considered a LEO option like HK is.
>Every other HK gun (all hammer fired DA/SA or LEM) is more reliable than this garbage.

>>28065380
The only reason anyone would go with a ACR over a SCAR 16 is ergonomics, I however would recommend everyone stay away from a 5.56 gun that isn't a proven platform (the SCAR 17 is proven, fuck the 16)

>>28065487
>>M&P can get used and abused as long as it isn't 9mm
What? Are you retarded?
http://wethearmed.com/handguns/62k-rounds-in-6-months-sw-mp-torture-test/

>>28065487
*meant P320

>>28065487

>implying SCAR doesnt have excellent ergos

>>28065511
That's actually really good I wasn't aware that a M&P9 could achieve that.

The reason I brought it up is because there were issues with the M&P 9 on release that I remember like they were yesterday because age.
While at the time the M&P 40 ran like a raped ape and the M&P 45 was being tested against every other .45 on the market and coming out on top, only to be matched by the HK45 (or it may have been a USP45)

>>28065561
So does an AR.
5.56 SCAR's are a waste. the SCAR 17 is the epitome of the platform

>>28065624

AR's do have nice ergos, but we were just talking about SCAR vs. ACR

If i had lots of disposable income id get a SCAR but i dont want to spend 3k on a gun so i own an AR

>>28065609
>issues with the M&P 9
There were issues with the twist rate at first. It's pretty interesting to note the M&P was designed around the .40 and 9mm was kinda shoehorned in.

>>28065487
>M&P can get used and abused as long as it isn't 9mm

Nigger what bullshit are you spitting

>>28064265
>Can't even handle the water test.
Jesus, I'm glad this video came out, I was considering getting one.

This is just sad.

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>Mfw my GM carries a VP9 and gloats about how amazingly reliable it is

>>28064265
>5 min in

Jesus Christ this is hilarious VP9 Fags B T F O

>>28065624
>platform

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>>28065281

?

>>28066317
>ossi's are germans

>>28066317
>everyone makes their cars out of metal
>there is no problems with this simple concept
>CUE GERMAN INGENUITY
>they make the body out of compressed cotton, it is one of many terrible points on the car

>>28065511
Open question:

Should I get an M&P Shield or a Compact?

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>>28066339
>Ossi
>Human

>>28064265
VP9

BTFO
T
F
O

poor VP9fags, you will become a meme

>>28066385
If you've never carried a single stack before
Shield.

>>28066493
What if I own two?

>>28066539

Then the Shield isn't anything particularly special, go for the compact.

It's definitely more versatile and might fit a niche

>>28066584
>It's definitely more versatile and might fit a niche
Tell me more.
Trying to decide between the M&P9c, somehow finding a gen3 g19, or some other ultra-ubiquitous model

>>28065051
Nope.

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lol @ HK mag release breaking, I never liked those faggy mag release paddles.

G19 > VP9, but we already knew that...

>>28066874
The Gen4 mag releases are just doofy big though. Any place sell new Gen3's for cheap?

>>28066911
Can't you just get a smaller Gen 4 mag release?

>>28066949
It's not the only problem I have with the Gen4...

>>28066911

Eh, I've been carrying that G19 for over 2 years and have never had my mag drop accidentally. I actually really like the larger Gen4 button, I can drop the mag without having to shift the gun in my hand like I have to do with then Gen3s.

>>28066982
Go on.

>>28066996
I like the Gen4 for 1 simple reason
>I'm an agent of the devil if you know what I mean

>>28067051
It's kinda widely accepted the Gen4 was superfluous given the pretty flawless record of the Gen3 (having ironed out any hiccups from prior generations). The Gen4 rollout was plagued with ejection issues that glock did a silent recall on.

I've only recently found myself considering buying a glock (despite owning other, much more exciting pistols), but have accepted I'll only settle for a Gen3
>>28066996
fair enough

>>28065239
I too am interested in a p320 torture test.

>>28066170
It is a platform this time, anon. You can't just parrot memes and expect to be right all the time.

Man that sucks I'd like to see more of these tests by others. I actually really prefer those mag releases over the buttons. Im looking at the PPS right now, does anyone have experience with that handgun in 9x19?

What was the gun Bond used at the start of the movie? The one in the Mexico city scene.

>>28068534
The flappy-paddle mag release would probably be fine if it were shorter, beefier, or made out of metal. Unfortunately, on the VP9 it's so long, svelte, and made-of-plastic that it snapping off under rough handling really isn't surprising at all.

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>>28068649
Yeah, I guess the paddle on the USP is small and set further inside for that very reason.

>>28066342
Trabis are actually pretty based, I used to know a guy with one. I've wanted one ever since.

>>28068995
brrriinng ding ding ding ding

>>28068995
If you find someone selling one, make sure they empty the gas tank before you buy it; that'll bring the price down by at least half.

>>28068602
Mp7 with a lot of shit on it I think

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>>28064755
>let's make a striker lol
>still has a fuckhigh bore axis

>>28066874
>not even ambi
>2015

Currently unbeatable, pic related.

>>28069389
pls no squish

>>28069389
>squishy squishy
>contains no user serviceable parts
>manual safety
>½" taller than a 19

>>28069518
That was the FNX and they fixed it apparently, can't confirm. The FNS is solid, I've compared them both side by side, the FNS has a lip around the magwell that serves as reinforcement.

>>28069587
If you put a flat steel follower on the mag its the exact same height as a g19 with its mag inserted, and length is already exactly the same. You want a manual safety on a striker fire, but they make one without if you're a suicide.

>>28069624
The flexing ones were just a bad batch of polymer.

Dude who made the video did a follow-up where he did the same test with the replacement and there were no problems with the squishy.

heavy metal hammer fired for me

>go to gunshop
>buy USP
>"hey man you should just get a vp9"
>"no"
>see this
ahahaha

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>>28065233
>This is bulls*it

>One person doing a very unscientific test. Does not matter to me in the least bit.

>You guys are silly, you see one vp9 with an issue with crap ammo that has repeatedly shown issue with vp9's!

>interesting results. does not change my mind that the vp9 is a great gun

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>>28069624
>If you put a flat steel follower on the mag its the exact same height as a g19
bullshit

>You want a manual safety on a striker fire
hahahahahahaha

>>28070017
not him but, Glock leg is a real thing, just sayin'

>>28070149
So is 1911 leg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

>>28070309
but obviously there is no such term, Glock Leg earned it's name because of the ease of NDing with these strikers w/out safety's.

>>28070309
That's Glock Leg with a 1911

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>>28064755

ug. dem nerve damage jokes tho

>>28064265
Well that explains the need for the cocking wings.

>>28064265
Why'd your other thread get deleted?

>wears gloves in every vid
>not when theres snow

>>28070930
Insulation works both ways.

>tfw MAC is an abominable snow man

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>>28071010
!!!

>>28070017
Put the mag in the g19, that's what I meant. Plastic followers have to be thick or they'll break.

>>28065233
Oh, the denial is glorious.

>>28065239
>striker
>not p250 based hammer

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>>28064636
Gr8 b8 m8.

Many hkfag include myself consider vp9 diseased rejected black sheep.

I personally dont consider vp9 a "H&K"

Glock was never masterrace at any point. Hk usp made sure of that.

Im just glad knowing theres tears on VaPid9faggot's faces.

Vp9 a shit we true h&kfag alway knew so, even sigfag and another non-h&k recognized unmistakable shit smell from vp9.

Vp9 have "shit" written all over it machining mark everywhere silly weaken thinned and extended controls.

>>28073857
>Many hkfag include myself
It doesn't matter, it's branded and sold by H&K. They put their name on this product, and they know full well their reputation is part of the selling point. They chose to make this gun H&K, and it will always be associated with H&K.

>>28072206
It's irrelevant anyway, since you could do the same thing to the 19 magazine and get a similar reduction in height.

>>28073857
Avatar fagging yet again.

>>28064265
Well, hopefully whenever Glock comes out with their 5th generation guns they add the cocking wings and interchangeable grip panels as an option, because those were good ideas.

>>28065487
>>P230 can get used and abused and keep on running
Any sauce on the P320 torture test, I'm looking at a Sig P250 in .380 because I want something absolutely spamable that isn't over $1000.

>>28069389
>still has a fuckhigh bore axis
>still thinking bore axis actually makes much of a difference and isn't just for marketing

>>28065609
M&Ps have had a lot of QC issues recently. A lot of LEs have dumped them in favor of glocks because of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-n5_Xuy1HY

Also I'm guessing all of these pistols would have issues with the same mud test. Glock in this has a lot of failures after being thrown in to the mud. The mag release breaking is bad though, it should be at least an aluminum part for how thin it is.

>>28064265
This: >>28074853, I just looked up some other torture test videos and I've already seen a Glock 17, Sig P320, and a Sig P226 fail repeatedly after mud tests. Failing from being submerged in a puddle and the magazine release cracking off from beating on the gun is inexcusable.

>>28064265
I find it funny that he calls the button mag release american when it comes from europe too.

>tfw in the market for a new hand gun
>LGS employee lets me hold his VP9, test trigger
>It's pure sex
>planning on ordering one next week
>see this video

Shit, that's awful. Guess I'll be getting a Sig. Time to buy one of the Legion series and become an elitist faggot.

>>28073857
o lawd that damage control

>>28076136

>i cant get a glock or M&P because i have to be different

>>28076265
>Not being a trigger whore
I don't know how you people even enjoy shooting desu

>>28076277

what is a minus connector
what is a trigger job
what is practice

im sorry to hear about your inability to adapt to weapons that arent just exactly the way you want them

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>>28070017
>>28069587

You guys do realize the FNS has safety and non safety variants, right?

>>28070149

Normally the only people that get Glock leg are policemen that shouldn't have ever been allowed to go in the sane county as a loaded firearm. Human beings do not get Glock leg.>>28070149

>>28064265

honestly its going to come down to who can make them the cheapest and fulfill the contract the quickest.

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>>28064755

>>28069389
>muh bore axis
It's a full-sized 9mm pistol. Unless the bore axis were several inches higher, there's no real difference. In .40 Short & Weak, you will feel a difference, but recoil on 9mm handguns is negligible anyways.

>>28076584

its noticeable, even in 9mm. does it matter that much? apparently as much as glock triggers or grip angles do. people will find things they hate and get asspained about them

>>28064265
VP9 is shit compared to a USP,

>>28076265
>not want to own nice things
It's like owning a Rolex. A $20 Timex watch might keep better time, but a Rolex says, "I have enough money to buy a Rolex."

I already have a Glock for my carry gun. I was looking to get something a little nicer for the range.

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>>28076515

>>28077159

>range gun
>polymer

why

>>28077159
>something a little nicer for the range
>a polymer service pistol specifically designed for people too poor for real H&Ks

>>28077159
>a VP9 is in any meaningful way comparable to a Rolex

>>28076584
The biggest thing I notice is when I draw a sig and go to look down the sights I have to readjust because all I see is that fuckheug slide where the sights should be. A bit like shooting an Auto-5. I mean I guess I could get used to looking for my sights an inch above where they normally are, but why?

>>28065511
Are the compact versions just as reliable?

>>28065487
>>28065624
>"I however would recommend everyone stay away from a 5.56 gun that isn't a proven platform (the SCAR 17 is proven, fuck the 16)"

I own a 16s, and you, and all the other retards, seriously need to shut the fuck up.
They are literally the same fucking gun, just built to different calibers and have been used in the field for the same length of time.
The gun is fucking 85% interchangeable.

People need to stop fucking sharing this bullshit opinion.

>>28066420
this tb:h fa:m

feels good to be bavarian

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>HK is jamtastic, non durable shit
>FN is Squish-o-matic
>M&Ps break so often that half the police departments that get them send them back
>Sig is Rust-o-lium
>Beretta Falls apart

Glock is still king, the competition is just downright pitiful now, the damage control im reading is hilarious

>>28082897
Bumping for this too. Can't imagine the shield holds up as well though

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>>28064265
Cool, the VP9 is their chepeast handgun and the vitriol in this thread is proof that poorfags are totally buttblasted. With that said the USP shits on any polymer pistol designed.
>carrying a striker fired gun with an open striker channel
>a good idea ever
>glockshitters comparing their trash to the worst HK
Topkek, the VP9 is based on a walther design

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>>28073857
>>28085143
>all these tripshits defending the usp
remember, "you suck and we hate you" is their company slogan for a reason Kucks

>>28085159
I can find pictures of just about any manufacturer having a KB. Nice try kid

>>28085159
> Heckler and Kuck

>>28085159
Literally can happen to any gun but I pose this question to you. Can you find another mass produced handgun that can take 20k +p rounds?

>>28085170
I'll give you a hint, it won't be a glock.

>>28085131
>FN is squish

Except it's not. It was never an issue with the FNS, which is probably what your poorfag ass will get because its $100 cheaper. The S has a reinforcement lip around the magwell. Supposedly they fixed it on the FNX but I can't confirm, still felt squishy when I handled one in the store. They claimed it was a bad batch of polymer.

If you compare the 2 feature wise glock is a complete shit.

>>28085200

>le exploding glock maymay

there are plenty of guns of all manufacturers that have made it too 100k+ rounds and plenty of the same that have blown up

>>28085143
>the bulkiest compact ever is the best

That shit is hi point tier huge. If you're going to pretend not to be poor at least get the p30 instead of this pinnacle of 90s technology.

>>28085209
+p you dumb nigger

>>28085219

>using +p ever

Why

>>28085209
He said +p which is totally different.
>>28085210
It's not much bigger than my shield, its actually wider than anything else but I Carry this in the winter so that's totally irrelevant. The P30 really isn't much better and they put the safety in a retarded position.

>>28085229
so you can't find a single example of another polymer gun being rated to that many +p??

>>28076408
and not a single safety was posted that day

>>28085219
>>28085236

oh i didnt catch the +p part. what handgun is rated for 20k +p rounds?

>>28085263
Well my USP manual says it is and its rated to and +p or +p+ but I wouldn't count the +p+ , as far as I know there are no standards set for it

>>28085271

+p+ is ridiculous anyways.

always liked the USP, is it any good as a carry gun? bulky as fuck

>>28085286
Yeah it's pointless but nice to know the gun is built proper. It's a fantastic carry gun but its really wide, I also carry a shield and there are differences in length and height but its like double the thickness. I have fairly large hands so it fits perfectly and I point it more naturally than my VP9 which is extremely ergonomic. I also carry the USPc in winter so you can't really tell its bulky. I would recommend it to anyone that can conceal it. Hell even as a range toy it will shit on most of the handguns you'll see at the range. My range buddy has a full size USP 45 and it shoots as good as his DW 1911 which is almost double the cost.

>>28085303

Nice.

I alternate between a Glock 19 and a 43. I'll be in the market for a full size soon, might just get myself a USP. Buddy has one in .40, I like everything about it spare the caliber. Going to have to wait until my bank account recovers from the M39's I just bought though.

>>28065233
this is glorious, thank you

>>28085312
I carried a Glock 19 at one point but sold it because Glock couldn't fix it the three times I sent it in and I was able to fix it easily, but I already knew the problem I wanted them to fix it and they just couldn't figure it out. The USP is amazing and you'll enjoy yours, they shoot so smoothly. I have an M39 as well, 1942 sako wartime stock with bayonet marks and pitting in the magwell that looks like blood from when the Finns captured it because they refinished it, its most definitely seen service but is in great shooting condition

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CZ MASTER RACE REPORTING IN BOYS!!

>>28085361

With any guns it all seems to be a "your mileage may vary" thing. People on /k/ largely don't understand that.

I bought a '44 VKT from some dude on armslist. It's in about 80% condition, shoots 182gr amazingly well. Bolt sticks a bit, going to get after it with some metal polish and a microfiber later today. Saw classic firearms has M39's again and bought a VKT hand select. Almost got a Sako but I like the VKT barrel a lot. Hopefully it will be more pristine so I can keep that one largely as a safe queen and shoot the piss out of the one I already have. Any tips on M39 ownership? I've got a Mauser and a bunch of SMLE's but these are my first moist nuggets.

>>28085410
Yeah, that's because much of /k/ is poorfags son hey need extra justification to own what they own. This will be my last post for a few hours

Tips for m39
Paint rear sight with white nail polish and front with another color that is bright
Eezox melts Cosmo for easy winter cleaning
When removing handguard slowly loosen each screw and switch off, don't ever take one screw out without loosening the other otherwise you will split your handguards
Rings around the muzzle end of barrel usuaslly mean it had a bayonet mounted to it
Keep her oiled nicely :)
Finns zeroed their rifles with 200gr so the closest you can get to that the more it will shoot point of aim(theoretically this obviously doesn't apply to all rifles)

>>28085435

Thanks for the info bruv.

>>28085461
Np

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>>28085435
>This will be my last post for a few hours
>>28085469

A lying muslim, who could've imagined.

>>28085240
Probably can't find a guy who can pole vault with his erect penis either. I'll never shoot 20k out of my carry gun and I'll never shoot +p+ so I doubly don't care. That 20k rds bs is the bar you've set don't presume anyone else cares about your arbitrary rules.

>>28085649

dont be such a racist, you nigger.

This is his revenge for the shoah, just got to kick the poor Germans when their down.