Do you conceal carry, and if so what kind of ammo do you use?

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>>27898441

147gr. Ranger-T 9mm (RA9T)

>>27898441
hornady 250g xtp

950 pdj, get out grainlets

>>27898466
>>27898466
>>27898466
>Lot of FAQs mention 147 standard or +p is ideal
>never in my area locally
>only 124+ps
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Same for no 1 or no 4 buck for HD. I don't have that shit either. So its usually 124+p or OObuck for me.

>>27898441
.40 180 gr Speer Gold Dots.

Or 125 gr .357 mag Hornady Critical Defense.

Either will fuck a brother up, and the .40 has the advantage of being what the local cops carry.

>>27898539
>Same for no 1 or no 4 buck for HD. I don't have that shit either.

Dude!

#4's about the best thing going for home defense shotty ammo unless you live way out in the boonies with no neighbors within 50 yards or something.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/shotgun-ammo-12-gauge?jacket_type=1081

>>27898539
If you worry about the holes your bullets make not being good enough, just make a lot of them. I carry a sub compact with a 3in. barrel, so ballistic performance is essential from a short barrel and I don't get a lot of shots to play with.

>>27898587
yea I can get it all online its just weird its never in stock locally but its all over the internet as the best/ideal/ rounds. 124+p is the local LEO 9mm load so theres that. Not one no1 buck or no4 buck locally just low recoil buck.

>>27898587
(sorry for samefagging)

I'd prefer #4 over 00 anyway... a couple dozen projectiles penetrating 10" or so gives that much more chance of hitting something vital than 10 or so. But I'd imagine either pretty much is a one-shot-one-kill sort of thing...

>>27898571
Every panic so far this decade and before .40 , 20g, and 243/270 were always on teh sheves.

30/30 and 30.06 not so. Make sme want to get a 270/243 bolt action.

>>27898441
(Your) pic related, plus a spare mag of Speer gold dot 124 grain, in a Walther PPS 9mm

>dat literal explosion of kenetic energy
@ :40
http://youtu.be/G0EVjsX6G98

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What's the recommended way to holster a CC?

I'm leaning towards a chest strap holster, but is this neat to?

>>27898441
>>27898626
>basically same as that RIP garbage
>fails to penetrate 12"
Why the fuck would you carry that shit?

>>27898539
Jesus what fucking century do you live in? You know you can buy your ammo online right?

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>>27898998
I just started concealed carrying recently and I use this holster for my Beretta 92fs

>>27898441
.380 with the standard 95 grain FMJ FN ammunition.

>>27898598
>a couple dozen projectiles penetrating 10" or so
#4 buck will penetrate about 15" into ballistics gel, there's no reason not to use it unless you plan on shooting people 25+ yards away (at which point it will start dropping below 12") or through cover.

>>27899029
What do you prefer then?

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>>27898441
Hornandy 135gr +P

>>27898441
I carry that 50gr and Gold Dots

>>27899060
>fragments barely penetrate further than a calibration BB (~4" vs the 3"-3.75" of the calibration BB which is your standard .177 BB fired at about 600 FPS)
>base of the bullet doesn't even reach 12"
Even .25 ACP FMJ would be better than that shit (can penetrate about 14" into ballistics gel even when fired from a 2.4" barrel), hell I'd even carry something in .22 LR before I carried that shit. Jesus, people's stupidity never ceases to amaze me, how are people actually trusting their life to that shit.

>tfw bad temper and love to drink
does this preclude me from carrying a gun? I'm afraid of the justice system in this country

>>27898441

Federal 9mm 124gr. HST, standard pressure.

>>27899216
You should think good and hard about if you can control yourself. Another idiot fucking up and drawing on something that doesn't need drawing on hurts the rest of us.

>>27898441

I carry an obscure 9mm ammo... a "niche" type.

It penetrates soft armor, but it's perfectly legal.

You've probably never heard of it.

>>27898441
HST 9mm 124+p

>>27899216
Do you have poor impulse control while sober? Do you often find yourself getting into verbal arguments or even fistfights? If the answer is yes, then definitely make some changes in your life before carrying.

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>>27898441
>>27898626
>>27899029
>>27899074
>>27899193
>>27899232
>fragments penetrate similarly to a BB at 600 FPS
>a BB gun that can fire BBs at 600 FPS isn't even considered enough to hunt rabbits or crows if you're taking headshots, it's enough to hunt pigeons if you're taking headshots
>people actually trust this to defend themselves
kek

124gr Speer Gold Dots +P optimized for 3" barrels

>>27899062
That shoulder holster makes my diddly feel things w2c

Buffalo Bore 125gr JHP

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When I drive the cab on weekends I carry a mouse gun. Good enough for 1.5-2.5 feet.

My lc9s won't chamber or cycle hollow points %20 of the time, gets stuck on the feed ramp and damages the round by pushing the projectile into the casing more and more. I went back to fmj while carrying because it has no problem cycling those. What do?

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>>27898441
>Do you conceal carry?
Yes

>What kind of ammo do you use?
Winchester PDX1

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>>27898441

Glock 19 with standard pressure Federal HST 147gr

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I have Buffalo Bore .380 +P 100 grain hard nose ammo in my SIG P238. Works flawlessly in it. Yes, I know, it's a .380.

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>>27898441

>>27899232
9x25?

Hornady critical defense 9mm...of which I forget the bullet weight. Wicked stuff though, I wrecked a procupine with it a couple days ago

>>27898466
This, or the 147-gr. RA9B bonded-core, whichever I can get hold of.

Preference goes to the RA9B though.

>>27898441
HST 9mm 147gr +p
Underwood Gold Dot 9mm 147gr +p

Underwood Gold Dot 45acp 230gr +p
Hornady TAP 45acp 200gr +p

>>27898539

I picked up some #4 buck for home defense and I have to say it's really spotty in its grouping.

>>27900293
This.

critical duty for full sized guns (glock 17)
critical defense for pocked 9 (lc9s)
random hp shit for my 38 special and 357

>>27898441

Springfield XD 9mm mod one.

Stacked with Speer gold dots and civil defense.

>>27899241

Oh look, someone who is no guns and doesn't understand how velocity and energy works.

G19 with Winchester Train & Defend.

>>27898441
>do you conceal carry
Yup
>what do you use
Monarch 158 gr semi jacketed hollow point in .38 special
>inb4 lol .38 can't stop shit

124gr standard pressure Federal HST in my G19, Shield, and p938. It just werks

In my LCP, hydrashok

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>>27898441
>Liberty that
>Freedom this
>Democracy that

Why do americans have to name everything with a name related to memes?

>>27898441
Yes, 124gr gold dots +p out of a shield.

>>27900529
>memes
It's part of our culture you fucktard.

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>>27900553
Pic related your big fat diabetic memetic culture

>>27898441
9mm 124gr. +p bonded HP from Underwood.

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>>27900569
straya pls

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>>27900569
Pic related, yours

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>>27900582
>>27900586
Enjoy these brand innocent Syrian refugees lads

>>27900460
Velocity and energy aren't what kill, penetration and the size of the permanent cavity are. Ammo that fails to penetrate 12" and has fragments that penetrate no further than a BB into ballistics gel isn't going to stop someone reliably. One inch of penetration into ballistics gel doesn't equal one inch of penetration into a person (skin alone is equal to a few inches of ballistics gel), ballistics gel only simulates muscle tissue and not all people have the same muscle tissue density. Ballistics get is just a standard medium where bullets will perform similarly to, but not the same as, how they will in the human body to compare them.

>>27898441
Yes, Federal HST 147gr 9mm.

>>27900606
We have the right to carry loaded handguns for protecting ourselves. We win. You lose.

>>27900529
You could just say that you're jelly of us, but instead you lash out like a little child who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas. If you were honest with us and yourself, people might even propose some ideas for how you could move to the most free nation in history.

>>27899423
.25 ACP has killed perhaps millions of people.

>>27899670
Anybody have any advice please?? I'm stuck carrying fmj but I don't mind much with such a short barrel.

>>27901114

Try something with a longer/narrower hollow point. Better yet, try something like cor-bon powerball which has a plugged end to make it feed like an FMJ.

Bulgarian milsurp 7.62 Tok

>>27901114
Magazine spring, get a new one?
Is it old, dirty hollow point, or out tha box?

>>27901199

Wolf and PPU make hollow points you may be interested in. I have had good results and reliability with them in an m57.

.45acp 230gr +p federal hst, i like the bonded hollow points.

Wicked rounds.

>>27899423
>.25 ACP hollow point ammunition
Are you fucking stupid or something? Load that thing with FMJ ammunition so the bullets will actually penetrate deep enough to hit what's important.

>>27901282
My dad carrys an xds .45.

A short barrel .45 is a weak .45 amiright?

124g+p gold dots in a 26 unless I'm going to the dark side of town, in which case it's 200g corbon in a 29

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>>27898441


Underwood 9mm 115 gr +P+ JHP

>>27901210
Everything's brand new. I mean it cycles while firing, but if I'm at home about to go out and I try to chamber one, most of the time it gets stuck on the feed ramp. I notice if I rack it really fast it'll most likely work with the hollow points. But it will rack and chamber fmj no problem, I can rack it really slow too and it will still chamber it.

I was thinking about finding hollow points that are somehow "jacketed" like you guys mention. Thank you.

>>27901282
hahaha

>>27898441
glock 19 with some rusted green year old HPR haller points

>>27901364
>115gr JHPs

Enjoy your over expansion and no penetration

>>27899228
Yeah from what I heard HST is solid, I do 45 but still hst saw video that shit expanded to something like .9"

>>27899193
>>27899241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6h44Pu4sM

>>27903644
>bullet barely manages to penetrate into the clay
>bullet unlikely to even penetrate past the ribs even if it manages to pass between them if you shot a person wearing a kevlar vest
Wow, I'm so amazed, not really. Shooting them below the vest with that shitty ammunition would give you a higher chance of stopping the person, and shooting them below the vest with .25 ACP FMJ would give you an even higher chance.

>>27901554
If you can't find any self defense ammo that can reliably feed or if the problem becomes ridiculous you can have a gunsmith polish the ramp or try getting a new barrel.

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What can /k/ tell me about this ammo? It's dirt cheap but does it compete with the likes of Hornady or Speer?

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Walther PPS
Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P Short Barrel

>>27901319
Yes it is that's why I sold my glock 30s and got a glock 19.

I shot a brick twice upclose with .45 FmJ and it didn't even crack or break it just had discoloration.
So fuck .45

>>27903928
You keep posting this. Stop. There's 2 only two scenarios.

You're lying over and over again.

Or you're too stupid to understand that dud ammo happens in all calibers. And if your entire shooting experience is based off 2 shots you don't shoot enough to have an opinion anyways.

>>27903821

>Caring about how much your defensive ammo costs

This isnt paper punching range food. You're trusting it with your life, get the good shit. Get a box to load your mags, and one to try out at the range to make sure it feeds alright.

Feels good never being that much of a poorfag.

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165gr HST

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>>27903838
>Walther PPS
>not Five-Seven
IMPOSTER

>>27903981
I keep Federal HST in my guns. I was just curious about it's performance.

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>>27904003
Silly, I can't conceal carry that daily.

>>27903967
I'm not lying faggot I really wanted to love my .45 and believed in .45 stronk.

I repeated more then once it couldn't break bricks worth for shit, it did break glass bottles but who cares about bottles.

9mm and my .357 mag that now I own ever since I sold my .45 gave me no probs breaking bricks.


Face it anon .45 has no penetration

Really didn't want to believe it at first.

Yes.

>147gr Remington Golden Sabers

>>27904036
If you can't break a brick with a .45 you need to stop throwing your bullets.

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>>27904036
Should have gone 5.7x28mm or 10mm.

You wouldn't have that problem anymore with those two calibers, though a 9mm is fine too.

See : >>27904003

>>27904133
>kimber
I thought you had taste :(

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>>27904155
Old Kimber Eclipse 10mm is fucking legit.

What, you expect me to pay $5000 for a "good" 1911?

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>>27904003
>If my FN 5.7 did this

>>27899670

get a better gun, my experience with the LC9 is very bad overall

>>27899062
Nice ponytail

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>>27898441

>>27903716
>regular 9mm is stopped by the vest
>somehow still superior
yeah no, you're retarded

>>27899216
I love to drink too.

I leave the gun at home when I go out to the bars.

>>27903821

It's what I loaded my glock with today. I've shot it and never had any problems, but don't expect any sort of consistent expansion out of it.

>>27904523
Considering the Liberty Civil Defense 9mm won't even penetrate past the ribs after passing through a kevlar vest, the kevlar vest may as well have stopped it. Armor piercing ammunition doesn't help if it can't do any actual damage after penetrating body armor.

>>27904547
As someone who recently just got out of a potential felony charge and got my rights restored, good move. Beyond thankful that I left my gun at home that night.

>>27901231
I was about to loose faith in seeing another .45 HST user. Love these rounds, but damn are they expensive. Nevertheless, worth every penny I pay.

Got to see what they do firsthand when the closest available gun I had for a beaver one day and a coon the other was my pistol with these in it. Gave me a lot of respect for the round what I saw what little was left

>>27904036
Do you not realize how energy works? I mean yeah, sure its traveling slower, but its a heavy ass round. Sure, based on the energy equation the velocity has the upper hand in determining the overall impact energy, but mass is still a huge factor, and although tyou have now lowered the velocity, you have upped the mass.

And bricks are brittle as shit, because they are ceramic. Now slam a blunt as fuck bullet into it with a large surface area contact, and you'll get efficient energy transfer, and a brick wont dissipate that energy like flesh, or something not brittle. This means the brick will shatter.

Therefore, you sir, are full of fuck

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I use 124 Gr 9mm +P Hornady American Gunner.

Not sure how good the round is, anyone know?

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Safety screws and BBT

>>27903845
>>27904938

Dem talons doe

>>27904867
>Sure, based on the energy equation the velocity has the upper hand in determining the overall impact energy, but mass is still a huge factor, and although tyou have now lowered the velocity, you have upped the mass.
Frontal area also plays a role, .45 ACP actually has less momentum/square inch of frontal area than 9mm.

>>27898441
Winchester PDX1 Defender in 9mm (124gr +P)

Out of a XDs 9mm

9mm HST 147gr +P, 3" barrel

>>27903845
>>27904938
>>27904962

I want talons!! My boss has a few boxes but won't sell me any sadly. That said I've been carrying Hornady Critical Defense 135gr +p 9mm

>>27903845
>>27904938
>>27904962
>>27905124
Why would you want to carry hollow point ammunition designed 24 years ago? Are you actually so stupid that you think bullet designs have gotten worse since then?

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>>27903845
Dem safety screws.

>>27905053
That's irrelevant to the point you're lying about which is that a .45 can't break a brick.

>>27904867
Nope I swear I wish I took a pic of the brick. It has two "smudge" marks no dents no cracks it's a clean brick so those smudges just don't magically appear out of fucking no where. They were silver bear .45 FmJ

I was disappointed with the results.

Face it 45 has bad penetration compared to 9mm or . 40

>>27905385
Not the poster who made the ridiculous claim about the brick, was just pointing out that the claim about momentum helping .45 ACP penetrate more than 9mm false.

>>27905385
I'm
>>27905402
Dude it didn't break I'm not lying about this.
Just left smudge marks.

>>27905385
>hur dur can't be dun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52TEp3IqG5s
It's over. Now stop posting.

>>27905449
I'm the one pointing out that he's full of shit about it and keeps proclaiming that it couldn't break a brick. Which apparently is now back to "in my case".

Ive seen him tell his little .45 no brick story in several .45 threads parading it around like its a fact and a feature of a .45 when it blatantly is not.

>>27905449
>implying those weren't already broken and then just placed back together by butthurt .45 fags

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>>27905449
My brick wasn't hollow it's the full brick with no holes in it. Maybe that's why it dint break? I don't know man,

Pic related my old glock 30s I sold for a glock 19

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Guys, guys, gal. This is a PD ammo thread, not a 9mm vs .45 war.

Now everyone stop arguing and start making fun of my Glaser .40 short and weak ammo.

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>>27905473
I'm not full of shit I wouldn't sell my g30s for no dam reason besides the 10 rds mag cap.

Ever since the brick incentive I was pissed af. I know 45 FmJ will still penetrate through flah but seeing what it did to the brick was very depressing.

Pic related my glock 19 I got with hst 147 gr +p

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Sig P938 BRG
G2 RIP 96 grain hollows

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>>27905814
Have fun tickling your rapist

>>27901041
and /thread

>>27905814
Do you plan on shooting balloons with it? Cause they perform best on balloons and pumpkins

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>>27905864
>>27905933
Is it lack of penetration or the fact that it doesn't have a plastic tip in case the target has a leather or down feather jacket on? Not sure why it wouldn't be a decent round. Not enough gun powder for distance?

>>27905288
nostalgia. cool name/looks cool. tell people o nthe internet i have black talons.

>>27905967
Like another anon said earlier in this same thread: RIP rounds don't penetrate far into ballistic gelltin since they separate. Penetration is the acknowledged killing mechanism of gunshot wounds. A lot of people base their carry rounds on the FBI standard for ballistic gelltin testing: penetration of at least 12in. but less than 18in.

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>>27905967
In every independent ballistics test, the little petals are worthless and would only cause a flesh wound and don't make it past the rig cage of someone, which leaves the little 50gr base to do the major work

It rarely meets the FBI minimum penetration depth of 12in in properly calibrated ballistics gel, and does the exact opposite of what you want a defensive round to do, which is stay together and dump all it's energy at once into the target.
It's a very poor round which only looks menacing but fails to deliver better results than established defensive cartridges

You guys are seriously fucking arguing if bullets can or can't break bottles or bricks? You guys really aren't that stupid, are you? Of course they're going to break. If anyone says anything different, they're trolling. Stop feeding them.

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>>27906035
>>27906049
Thank you.

>>27905591

i would make fun of the glaser ammo, but a USP in .40 with those clear mags is sick

>>27904261
It's the LC9S.
>>27903770
Thanks

>>27898441
glock 23 with RIP rounds

>>27900353

I was making an obscure reference to OPs ammo choice.

>>27899228
Ditto

>>27898539
>buying ammo in an actual store
>2015
ISHYGDDT

>>27903845
I hope you don't actually plan on using those things.

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>>27904722
You say that as though it's fact. Yet in macs test it penetrated several inches into the clay, even spiraling upwards.

You have no fucking idea how ballistics clay interacts with bullets and how it relates to real world performance, your just spurting the same meme that always seems to follows these meme rounds.

>>27899193
See
>>27898626
>4" wide temporary cavity in dindu
>worse than poking literal pencil holes said dindu

If a 9mm round can pierce through body armor designed to stop 9mm rounds that's fucking impressive, and a hell of a lot better than your .25 ACP FMJ bullshit.

>>27898459

Isn't this just critical defense with a green tip?

>>27904288
I...what?

>>27898441
hornady critical duty 135 grain flexlock +P

>>27899866
Haven't tried the BB yet sadly, but I normally keep various XTPs in my .380
Idgaf what /k/ says, if 27rds of .380 doesn't do the job then I should either take off the blindfold or stop shooting at caddilacs

>>27899062
muh mayne!

>>27901554
Personally in my experience, what a handgun does while hand cycling means fuck all because that is not the as the forces that would be acting in the gun during firing.

Do you ride the slide at all when you cycle it? Has it ever ftf while firing?

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>>27901673

I will.

>>27899228
WHERE CAN I FIND THIS FOR A DECENT PRICE

>>27907486
It is worth trying out. I agree, if the 13 rounds I have are not enough I have some other issues to deal with.

>>27907365
Why? They're not worth much more than I paid for them, nor will they ever be. And if you're the sorry motherfucker on the other end of my barrel, I couldn't care less about your welfare.

Something strange about my Speer Gold Dot 9mm. When I put in my winchester or wolf 9mm ammo in my mags, no sound whatsoever. When I put the Speer in a mag and insert the mag into my pistol (without racking the slide), the rounds seem to jiggle around a little bit. Found out that if I press down on the top round ever so slightly and shake the mag, it makes the same sound. Is that normal? Dangerous?

>>27907518
I can ride the slide with fmj no prob, it will always cycle. But hollow points no. They get stuck. I've never had any failures with this gun while firing. it's just while trying to load a hollow point bullet at home before going out. I'm now carrying fmj until I resolve this issue.

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>>27898441
I use 180gr PDX1s in my Steyr, PDX1 .38 SPC in the SP101 (or conversely Rem SJHP .357 Mags). For HD, my Mossberg 590 is a combo of 4 PDX1s and 3 3" 00 buckshot.

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In my P227 TacOps .45 ACP

>>27898441
Dynamic research technology, drt. This stuff chews up anything it hits. I have been hunting with it for years now and I cannot complain at all.

>>27899053
i see an autitst karambit