/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

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>>27846660
Navy is pretty cool

Leaving for OSUT in Janurary, have an airborne option on my contract. What else besides RASP is there to look into after jump school?

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>>27846677

How many months is it from when you leave to basic to actually being a ranger in the battallion if you go in with a ranger contract?

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Hey I'm thinking about joining the marines, is it true when they get stationed/deployed to bases. They travel by navy ships or only by planes? I can't decide between infantry or tanker also what's it like being in the marines? Thanks in advanced.

Recruiter didn't know MEPS was closed veterans day, oh well next Tuesday it is then.

>>27847339
18 weeks or so +mos school which varies

>>27846810
Nothing they're not gonna send a cherry to any schools. Maybe Air Assault if you have slots, pre Ranger/Ranger school.

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>>27846677
Had the pleasure of volunteering for these beautiful killers the other day

I've had enough of TRADOC. Basic training was more relaxed than this bull shit. No wonder so many faggots are committing suicide in ait.

>Decide to go into the reserves
>Check it all out
>part-time pay, can keep a civvie job
>train with local unit
>gov't benefits
>all looking good

>oh also you have to go all the way to new brunswick for 11 weeks
Dropped. I live on the other side of the damn country.

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Any officers on here? I'm interested in what you guys have to say about your time.

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I just got a 40 on my Navy ASVAB and I need a 50. What tools did you guys use to bring up your scores?

>>27850273
Generally people don't. The ASVAB tests cumulative base knowledge. Stuff our public school system is paying out in leu of bull shit topics.

What are your line scores? Those will help us identify your weak subjects

>>27850331
I don't remember them. He just told me my score.


I've been out of school for a while now though.

>>27850373
Well what do you suck at?

>>27850380
He got a 40, he sucks at everything.

>>27850380
I know I did good at the first word part. I know I fucked up the math and arithmetic part. How far away is 40 from 50? Like how much more is 10 points?

>>27850273
Also, I got a 38 on the AFQT. Is this good or anything?

>>27850404
I don't know man, I got a 99. I seriously don't know Jack about the scaling. Ago I know is that every section was something covered in school back then. I've heard people buying because they've never learned some shit like the engineering parts and what not.

>>27850424
Complaining, not buying. Shit man, seriously this test does not reflect intelligence. If nothing else, hopefully I demonstrated that particular facet. Just study what you suck at.

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I'll probably add more shit as I think of it.

>>27850994
When I went to basic I brought a shit tonne of medical equipment such as pressure bandages, tape, scissors, gauze and heat gel. I had two resupply 'care packages' back at home ready to be sent by my family in case I needed more.

That shit saved my ass so many times.

The other thing I can recommend is that if you have psoriasis buy yourself a decent pair of tactical gloves to wear out in the field or handling weapons.

>>27850422
38 means that you scored in the 38th per entire of everyone that took the ASVAB in the last X amount of days. Hopefully. If you got a GT of 38... I have some bad news for you.

But seriously, the asvab is fucking ridiculously easy, idk how you wouldn't be able to get a 50 or 60.

>>27851119
> *38th percentile of everyone

>>27850994
nice, very useful, any one got any more like this?

Any MI guys here? I'm planning on doing ROTC and branching MI and doing counterintelligence.

I also want to join speshul forces and I have a 130 GT score so I qualify, I just need to work on the physical aspect of it.

What is MI like? What kind of pipeline could I use to get into counterintel?

Ok. so before i knew the whole "dont tell them anything you dont absolutely have to thing" i had said that i have adhd and was on adderal. now i have been off it two years, graduated from high school with honors, gotten my eagle scout. got and held a job. im sending off my files for a med read, what do you think my chances are to get a waiver? im thinking of going into the air force, i got a 73 on my asvab.

>>27851168
MI kind of sucks. It's very top down leadership, and the training at the lower level and firstline supervisors are lacking. This leads to a lot of bravado, but really shitty actual leadership.

The training program is also notoriously unsafe; to the point where they conduct live fire combat training without proper backstops right next to PT areas (or so I've heard).

Honeslty, I'd go Fleet instead.

>>27849679
What the fuck I thought it was local training, only travel distance if you specialize. What the fuck.

>>27849874
Also interested

>>27851229
for the guard they station you wherevers closest

>>27851226
Fleet?

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>>27851286

>>27851229
It IS local training, for the first month.

Then they send you to NB for 11 weeks, and when that's done you're back home

Still, that's a lot of time off your regular job.

I have ADHD Inattentive, I'm hoping to enlist in the RCAF. I only use low dose of Concerta to manage it. Does this affect my enlistment? I know that RMC students use it but what should I do regarding this, such as revealing it, not being dependant on medication, etc.

Danefag here. Any faggots from the Danish military? Specifically the Danish Royal Navy?

I'm interested in joining some type of special operations, either Rangers or SEALS. An old classmate of mine, who was well known for saying he was training to be a SEAL, has recently gotten back from a deployment and I want to ask him some questions over FB. I never really talked to him, just in a couple classes several years ago.

My question is how should I go about asking him for advice without sounding like a douche. I'm not even 100% sure if he is in SOF, but I recently noticed his FB is fucking barren, i.e. no home town, no current job, no high school listed, nothing. I know those guys keep mum about literally anything over what they do, so should I even bother asking?

>>27851524
Contact him and then ask him in the most straightforward way possible. If he gets mad about it apologize. That's all you can do. If he doesn't want to or can't answer questions ask if he knows of any resources/people that would could help.

If you don't mind me asking, what questions do you need answered?

>>27851524
are you the top 1% of 1% of men on the planet?

>>27851524

If he doesn't respond there's literally hundreds of books by ex-seals from 'nam to now detailing training and experiences.

Rangers aren't super secretive either (at least not with regards to collective knowledge), although you should keep this in mind if you want to be a badass killing machine:

One guy here who made it through everything said that the seasoned Rangers DO NOT like to take newbies with them, especially completely green ones.

SEALs, on the other hand, have no direct predecessor job, so they are more used to and well-equipped to training and dealing with newbies.

>>27851615
That sounds like the simplest way to do it. I just wanted to ask about his experience with the military, the path he took, advice for training, etc. And if he ended up not joining SOF, why he did not.

>>27851616
I can be.

>>27851627
Good to know, if I preferred to go the way of Rangers do you have any suggestions of what to do to not be so green prior to trying out? Another enlisted friend of mine told me it's best to only enlist if you have 11x Option 40 in your contract since if you don't, later on it may be really difficult to get in if your higher ups don't help you out.

>>27851710
What he meant by green was not being prior military and switching into the Ranger MOS and bat. The dropout rate for difficult jobs in the military is higher across the board for brand new people compared to those who are switching MOS.

You can exercise and learn land nav, but there is just no way to gain the experience and the familiarity with the whole environment without having been in.

I want to do national guard but at my current state I'm just a randy bobandy. And I also have adhd, but my mile time is about 9 minutes. I weigh 190, I'm 6 ft 1 in. Should I do some basic workouts to get somewhat in shape before I sign papers?

>>27851710

It's literally combat experience.

I don't know when it happened, but you can enter the Green Berets directly after basic if you pass their training, and you can do similar with an Option 40 (although no automatically, it's up to you to go through selection).

The reason I warned you is because right now combat is very limited, so joining Army infantry might not get you any engagements, which means you won't be qualified for what is an elite strike force (specialized in combat).

Also what he said.>>27851752

Going back to SEALs, since they have no preceding occupation they are used to civvies that are great at PT coming in, in addition to fellow Navy from other ratings.

If I join the Rangers as a 35F, is it going to drastically change the day to day of what I do what when I'm stationed?

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>>27848651
Qualified on a 688 last week. Just a heads up, the qualifications never end.

>>27851989
Oh shit, congrats. What's your rate?

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>>27852017
ET COM.

If you have any questions about the training pipeline, the boat or whatever I'll be around for a minute. I'm still learning shit every day as I go along.

>>27852045
Shit, I don't know. I guess it would be good to know how to NUB or whatever. I'm a CTR so I will just be a rider but I can get qualified, right? Any advice you can give is greatly appreciated

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>>27852099
HOO-BOY RIDER ALERT

Yeah, you can get qualified on subs, although it's not your primary pin, that's still IDW I think. I spent a large part of my deployment qualifying with a CTM that was just as new to boats as I was.

You're gonna get a shit ton of ribbing from the crew because they think you spend the entire time out sitting in Radio doing fuck all but eating and sleeping. They'll respect the fuck out of you if you nothing but study and qualify in your off time. Oh, and participate in after watch clean up, sweep crew's mess after meals, clean shaft alley shit like that.

Don't watch TV, don't eat dessert. If you have a tablet or some shit like that keep it in your rack. At least on my boat if you're in your rack during the time you should be sleeping you can watch a movie on that. Don't ring the diesel generator bell unless you want A-Gang crawling out of the bilges to beat the everloving shit out of you

You'll do fine.

>>27852162
Oh boy. Screenshot'd that so I don't forget. I really appreciate that. What are the best and worst parts about subs?

>>27851616
Even the harshest selection processes still let through at least the top 5%. Most have a washout rate less than 66%. A force with a washout rate above 99% would be interesting though to be sure.

>>27846810
Hey der mayne, leaving for OSUT in January too. 11x opt 40

If I enlist as 89d (EOD), what can I expect from AIT and how can I prepare?

>>27851309
Fucking stop taking it now and tell your doctor to hang themself if they don't cancel the prescription.
It will be a problem.

Bored Ragnar here. Will answer your questions for a bit.
>Viking Batt is best batt

>>27853632
Any tips on staying in shape through OSUT/Airborne School if there isn't much PT? I hear from plenty of people you can lose shape while going through.

>>27853677
You can, and will. OSUT/Airborne PT only helps fatties and helps you meet the minimums. Same with really any pipeline other than SFAS or RASP. And even then, once you're past selection its on you to motivate to stay in shape.

>>27846660
Anyone here going USMC? General thoughts on recon?

Back in HS, before I got hurt, I was DEP'd with Marines, and part of my heart will always belong to them I think (No bad experiences, they were the recruiters that treated me the best, stay in contact with them even still). I want to go SOF. Recon doesn't seem like a bad idea. I'm conflicted though, I don't want to make an uneducated decision about where to enlist based solely off the experience I had with recruiters 5 years ago.

So the age limit for US Army Special Forces is 30. Does that mean under 30 at time of enlistment, or under 30 by the time you qualify?

>>27854029
pretty sure its by the time you qualify

>>27853778

Wait I read this threads but rarely respond, usually to marines since I was an 0311.

>before I got hurt

We you that marine DEP who got drunk and jumped off a table and fucked your leg up?

>>27847339

>>27847837 has no idea what hes saying

opt40 contracts go thorough 11b/c/x OSUT, all rangers are infantry.

OSUT is 13 weeks, 3 days.
Airborne is 3 weeks.
Ranger school is 8 weeks, 1 day.

Total time from ship date: 5 months, 17ish days

You're just going to fail out of RASP and go into 82nd or 101st anyway so don't worry too much

>>27850422

Combat arms

11 series, 19 series, 13 series are pretty much your only options.

Thats just Army tho, dont know other branches

>>27851301

you're really complaining about a few months of BASIC training? BAKA SENPAI you aint gonna make it anyway

>>27854149
It's not the training. It's that I have to do it in a shithole like New Brunswick. No thanks.

>>27851954

you can't be a ranger as a 35F. Rangers are infantry only

>>27854152

I went through basic in south GA in the midst of summer. 100+ degrees and 80% humidity every day.

They send you to shitholes for a reason. It makes you stronger.

>>27854112
No boss, I was the Poolee who was doing a PT run with the DEP, and didn't want to pass the 40lb ammo can off to the guy behind me because he was struggling hard, so I ran the full 5 miles with it and fucked my shoulder pretty bad.

I'm hypermobile (Double jointed), so the tendinitis I got lasted months and I had to go to physical therapy. I ended up backing out of the DEP for fears that I'd reinjure it in boot and then lose my chance at ever becoming a Marine. The SNCOIC at the office put me down as a washout due to inability to do pullups so I could return.

2 years ago I went back, but ended up hurting my knee while shoveling snow. Small, small tear in my meniscus that healed itself, but caused discomfort. No surgery for either incident, but I didn't feel comfortable again because they wanted to rush me out in May and I had only just gotten the "all clear" to start running in March. I had injured it in December, so 3+ months with no running, and incredibly limited PT.

>>27854161
False. You can enlist into rangers with a lot of MOS

http://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/75thranger/specialties.htm

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>>27853778
>>27854204

Recon, or even an Infantry line platoon will break that knee.

I fucked up my back and I have 2 buddies that need knee surgery, were talking age 25 and 27. All 4 year men USMC Infantry.

I know your young and your mind is probably set.

Recon I would imagine is like taking a good Infantry unit, but only the top percent. Less fuck ups, but Generation Kill tells us they have their fuckups too.

I mean it when I say you can't go in injured, at least not USMC or any program designed to test your body and weed out the weak.

>>27853761
Do you get the time to PT on your own? Specifically running?

>>27854461

Not him and I went through 19D OSUT but from the start of white phase to the end of OSUT we had an hour of free PT time at the end of the day

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>>27854204
>http://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/75thranger/specialties.htm
>44C- ACCOUNTING SPECIALIST

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>apply for avionics technician in Canakek Air Force
>13 positions open, girl at recruitment office said there was like 100 candidates

>150 flying time w/multi-engine and night rating
>1 year of uni in aviation program I'm too weak, poor, and socially retarded to continue
>2 years as assistant plumber with sheetmetal work mixed in

What are my chances of getting in guys? I dropped classes so I could have time to train but it'll probably be for nothing and I have no plan B.

>>27854737
>No plan B
>150 hours w/ multi
Commercial?
I dunno if it's the cheap fuel or what, but airlines are hiring like nuts right now... it's unbelievable. An acquaintance of mine just got an FO position on a commuter with only 50 hours of multi-engine time (granted, he has a lot of commercial experience in single-engines, but still...). Another friend of mine is flying barbie jets with American Eagle... and he's only 22. Even if you're not cut out to be an FO, now would be a pretty good time to try and get your foot in the door somewhere.

>>27854779
I'm not fit to be a pilot yet and I'm not sure if it's for me. The military will fix me and give me time to think about what I really want to do.

>>27854118
Holy shit, fucking kill yourself ASAP. If you reproduce the human race is fucked.

>>27854622
Rangers need to get paid too.

>>27846660
I don't know how anyone could want to join the army knowing to well they are going to be deployed in Afghanistan.

Why support a nation invading another nation just to exploit it?

Serving your country is noble and honorable but illegally invading one is not.

I don't care if I get shit for this, i.e.
>tanks four ur cervix

I would like to legitimately thank our /k/omrades who have served or are currently serving, and I wish everyone a good Veterans Day.
You shitasses.

>>27851773
Bump

Ask an air force A1C waiting on flight med anything

#guesswhosback

>>27856463
What's your Hemoglobin A1C level?

>>27851168

MI is super competitive for branching, if you want to be an intelligence officer you better be top of your class.

O-type officers also don't generally do CI work, it's all done by warrant officers and enlisted personnel. If you're looking to get into CI then ROTC may not be the way to go.

>>27851752
>>27854161

What's with people not realizing that the Rangers are a unit, not a job role. They have all kinds of MOSs.

>>27853677

There's always time to do bodyweight exercises on your own. It is running that can be the problem.

>>27854118

That is all assuming you go directly from one course to the next with no holds or delays.

Realistically, it usually doesn't work out that nicely, I'd call it six months even.

>>27857045
I realized my mistype/vagueness, but was talking to people wanting to switch into the 75th and become RANGERS, not just get the tab. The selection process and all that puts them outside the big army.

The point being that a person coming from inside the military and trying to go Ranger and 75th has a much better chance than somebody coming from off the street.

>>27855132

Are you a time traveler from 5 years ago?

There are almost no deployments now, to the point where a good portion of recruits are frustrated that they're going to spend their entire career sweeping when they thought they would get to deploy.

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Went NYNG-

BCT and then OCS. Looking at a solid 6mo of training time.

Fug

I'm screwed aren't I?

>>27856770
11.3 why u do dis

350 MG 4 times a day iron. They are trying to kill me

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How do I explain to my old man that I have no interest in being an officer, even though I have a degree.

For one thing, I don't have the temperament for it. Learned as much in Boy Scouts. For another, I'm really just trying to pay a debt to my country, not build a career out of it. I'll be the best soldier I can, but command has no appeal to me.

But he thinks that I'll be selling myself short if I don't do everything they let me do.

>>27857271

Did he help you pay for school?

Because I'd be pissed too if my son enlisted after he got his degree when he could of just enlisted and used the GI Bill.

Son I am disappoint.

I checked the FAQ for this one.

If I'm in (student loan) denbt, does that disqualify me?

>>27857434
No. In fact, the military is very interested in helping you pay them off.

http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourcesContent/0,13964,44245--,00.html

>>27857382
Nope, full ride scholarship. He was surprised enough when I told him I was already filling out the forms.

>>27857271
>>27857382

Go warrant then. Do some "technical thing", aka walk around with a donut and coffee all day when not at a desk typing away, no leadership required.

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>>27857497
Shit. I wish I didn't break my finger.

>waited too long to get it fixed
>ortho doc told me I'll probably need pins or a metal plate in my hand to correct the bone, after I get out of the cast

>tfw probably get medically DQ'd whether I get the surgery or not

Active Duty Marine here; ask me anything.

Enlisted as Infantry, got pushed to Supply instead, now I'm an Operations Specialist. 3 years in to the "New Marine Corps" and seriously considering a conditional release into another branch. Been stationed in Okinawa and a Recruiting Station.

>>27857534
What do you do in supply?

My area has only three options, one is """armoured""" (We only have G-Wagons) recon and the other two are supply jobs.

>>27857525
If its fine I dont think they will care

They let retards into my basic

>>27857545
Supply in the Marine Corps is incredibly different depending on the needs of where you're stationed. There's different subfields in Supply that I've covered, ranging from Property Management - tracking everything from rifles to HMMWVs to goddamn serialized nuts & bolts, Fiscal Accounting - spending a shit ton of money on stupid shit that your CO says you need... it's a very large realm. I walked into my current unit and it's a completely different environment. Currently I manage a fleet of vehicles - which are more or less just company cars - and provide support in terms of contracting and making needs happen.

tl;dr I sit at a desk all day.

>>27857582
I'm just afraid I'll get some kind of arthritic pain exacerbated by gun recoil

>>27857589
So you're Joaquin Phoenix in Buffalo Soldier.

>>27857522
If I'm going to join the army, I'm going to do army shit. I don't want to spend my days babysitting 18 year olds and giving PowerPoint briefings.

If you're going into the military, for the love of God, PLEASE go into a STEM field. (Science / Tech / Engineering / Maths)

GO INTO A STEM FIELD.

If you sign up to be a Motor Transport Operator, I feel bad for you.

Also, use your FAFSA for school. Fuck military Tuition Assistance. Get your Associates Degree at your first duty station, then go into an Commissioning program.

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Who /workingtoday/ here?

Also anyone who works in legal or S2 care to help me out


Joined Army since Jan 12 and was supposed to get security (not top) clearance for me to finish my MOS and even get orders

I finished everything and now Im a holdover at FT benning for 3 months and being told I never had a clearance for reasons.

What Im concerned of by now is that if I will get my clearance at all or not because its pointing to not. And will the army ultimately NEVER EVER allow me to do my MOS and a clearance if thats the case WILL they try to get me to switch which Is not what I intended to do

>>27857619
> I dont wanna babysit

You sound like the typical kek douchebag NCO man.

Guess what nobody but mommy and daddy loves you in the real world even those people who are nice to you

Theyre just doing their duty and a shitty soldier is what you are

>>27850422
Directly out of AR 601-210
d. Test score category (TSC) is used to determine enlistment in the RA, AR, or ARNG.
(1) TSC–I (Armed Forces Qualification Test (AFQT) 93–99).
(2) TSC–II (AFQT 65–92).
(3) TSC–IIIA (AFQT 50–64).
(4) TSC–IIIB (AFQT 31–49).
(5) TSC–IVA (AFQT 16–30).
(6) TSC–IVB (AFQT 10–15) Not currently accepted. (Except 09L or 09C for ARNG.)
(7) TSC–V (AFQT 0–9) Not eligible to enlist. (Except 09L.)

you are considered a bravo, which means you dont have many jobs available, sorry but its the truth.

>>27854161
Wrong, right now its hard as fuck to get into regiment because they have plenty of infantry. Right now they NEED support MOS's.

>>27854161
What the fuck are you saying man. They have too many 11B right now and are asking for other MOS

>>27857271
Here's what I'm going to tell yo. Its YOUR job, not your fathers. With that said, I have seen an MIT grad(who's father was a college professor)enlist into the infantry, do his time in AFG and got wounded pretty bad. He could no longer perform the role of his primary MOS so he went and got his commision and is now branched as a Signal Officer. Having a degree, you can at anytime drop an OCS packet once you feel you have done your time in the trenches. If you do this I promise you, that you will be the kind of officer that people fight to have in their units. Prior enlisted make the absolute best officers. because they know and remember what being at the bottom is like. But again its your Career, do with it what you want.

>>27857619
Guess what jack wagon, shit NCO's "babysit" their soldiers. If you ever become an NCO(which I would be bet money against) then you owe it to every single one of your dudes to mentor them and teach them everything you know and make them the leaders that you want the Military to have.

Anyone here served in the British Army? Got my Pre-ADSC Medical tomorrow.

>>27857022
Fuuuuug then what should I do if I want to do CI? I'm gonna enlist in the guard, probably as a 11b, and try to transfer to 35L after I've been in for 2 years. I'm only gonna be in the guard until I commission though.

I want to get experience in counterintelligence and join Special Forces. Whats the best way I can do that as an officer???

>>27858244
Cant I just branch MI and have an AOC of 35E?

Is that difficult to get? If so, what do I have to do to get there?

>>27854432
The knee recovered a lot better than the shoulder. My orthopedists are friends with my mother and will delay to the best of their ability any attempt I make at enlistment if I get injured in DEP. I actually hurt my knee prior to talking to the recruiters, and the doc said it'd be fine in a week or two, to just take it easy. So I went to the recruiter, went in a week or two, needed paperwork of course (For the shoulder), so I went back to the doctor and suddenly I needed to have my knee looked at again and the story changed.

I'm not 100% mind-made on Marines, or Recon or any of that. I know I want to do SOF, and I know that I -can- do it, but I don't want to pick a career path that I could very well die in without doing my research first.

So I want to be a ranger but some things have come up. First of all I'm fat. I'm down 50 pounds from when I started but I have about 20 to go and lord does my PT need work. I was prepared to work my ass of here at home until I was fit enough to sign my opt. 40 and go straight to RASP but my girlfriend and I just broke up (as in about an hour ago) and I kind of don't want to be here anymore. How much sense does it make to get to basic training standards and enlist now for whatever job looks good on a three year contract and reenlist whenever I'm ready for RASP?

>>27851168
If you intend to commission, do time in Infantry, if you intend to make it a career.

Being an Officer is 100% politics, and even if you're the best at your job, if you don't have that infantry leadership, you will stagnate at Captain and probably retire early.

Do infantry, switch to intel, and you'll be fine.

So has been explained to me by everyone I know who's gone officer.

>>27858408
Option 40s can take over a year to get, and enlisting into "any job that looks good" for the sake of getting away from your now ex girlfriend is a stupid idea.

If you legitimately want to be a ranger, work your ass off, get to the base requirements, go to a recruiter and ask them to try and get you an option 40. By the time they get you one (Only 150 come out every year, nation wide. Many of them are recycled of course) you should be in better shape.

>>27858419
I'm about to join the national guard as a 11b in the mean time before I commission.

Are you saying that I should branch as an infantry officer? Wouldnt that make it a lot more difficult to get into CI and Special Forces?

I dont plan on going career honestly, I just want to use my experience in the military to help me join the CIA after I get out, which is why I want to do CI and special forces.

>>27858459
Just 18x if Special Forces is your goal. The only issue with your plan is you're talking

2 years NG
4 years (Roughly/minimal) CI
Give or take 1 year selection process SFAS (SFAS is a lot shorter, but by the time you're qualified and there and all that..)
Assuming you're selected, 2 years+ Q course

You're already in over 8 years and you've just now gotten to your team.

>>27858540
Idk if it'd work like that. The route I plan on doing is kinda confusing.

> already doing ROTC
> join NG for 4-5 years
> (2 years into guard transfer to CI hopefully)
> graduate and commission active duty
> automatically get unlisted from guard
> Branch as either an Infantry Officer or MI
> Do ranger school
> After I become a Captain, transfer to MI or change my AOC to CI
> send in my packet to Special Forces
> ???
> Profit?

I mean technically it will take around 8-9 years from now, but I'll be in the guard for 4-5 years (depending on how long it takes to graduate) since I'm in college and I'm doing ROTC right now anyway.

>>27858540
Also, I can't do 18x since I'm in school. Plus I'll be an officer when I graduate so that wouldnt work either.

>>27858433
Yeah you're probably right.
But what happens if I go in asking for one and they get it before I'm ready?

I'm going to enlist in the marines soon with the goal of joining the Raiders. Beyond physical conditioning what do I need to do to prepare? I'm in great shape from swimming and the local recruitment station runs a really good PT program, but I'm still really nervous just because of distant the goal seems. What I'm really wondering is, do they only take lateral transfers in or do they allow you to apply immediately?

Apologies because I know this is probably asked a million times

What will 11b do during peacetime? I don't think we are going to be boots on the ground soon

>>27858745
Sweep parking lots.

>>27858745
Training probably monthly, sweeping grass and washing rocks.

>>27858701
Enlist with a recon contract. Pass BRC. Either stay in a recon batt or apply for Force Recon. Stay in good shape. Apply for MARSOC.

>>27858667
"Sorry, I'm not ready yet". Tell your recruiter when you want to leave, and what you want. Say you'll wait longer, but won't leave earlier. Any half decent recruiter will work with you. Some shitbags won't, but that's what you go to another station for.

>>27858632
>>27858613
Just out of curiosity, how old are you? Are you already nearing the end of college, or just starting? I'm trying to get a timeline put together to explain my stance better, or to understand yours.

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>>27858756
>>27858779

>>27858779
>>27858756
>>27858787
Don't forget doing literally nothing at the motorpool for hours on end.

>>27855070

hey a retarded trip. im getting tired of filtering you cunts

>>27858787
It sucks man, Infantry gets fucked during peacetime. There's always money to spend on aircraft, SOF and Intel, but when it comes to infantry you'll do a lot of nothing. I've heard legitimate stories of 11bs/0311s watering rocks and -sweeping- yards for hours just to be doing something.

>>27858613
>>27858632

>>27858779
I'm 19 and a Freshman in college.

>>27858804
> retarded trip
He's probably one of the only people on /k/ who actually knows what he's talking about when he talks about Rangers.

>>27858787
In my opinion, go do something else with your time, wait 2 or 3 years and there will probably be another war or some shit for you to go fight in.

>>27858787
what was ur asvab? do u have a chance to switch to another mos?

>>27858810
sounds like quite a gamble then

>>27858839
I wonder if we will inevitably be deployed back in Iraq or Syria

>>27858858
I haven't enlisted yet, and I haven't taken the actual ASVAB yet
I took the practice one and scored somewhere around a 60
I'm still trying to think about if this is something I really want to do

my buddy just joined up as a cav scout, what will he realistically be doing? I'd like to give him shit before he goes to basic

>>27858815
Okay. So assuming you graduate on time at 22 from here on.

You'll have spent time in the NG as an 11b, approximately 3 years.

At 22 you'll commission and go for Intel/Counter Intel, and you'll spend at minimum 4 years there (Realistically, 5 years, but we'll say you're lucky).

You are 26 years old, to be entirely honest, you'll probably let your physical shape go. You'll still score 250+ on APFT, you'll make O-3 and want to do SFAS.

So, you get your stuff together and, again, realistically you'll be waiting about a year to go. So at 27 you attend SFAS, you pass. Congratulations.

So you're going through the Q course for 18A, since you're an Officer. That's 62 weeks, roughly 14 months.

You're now 28, assuming you passed all courses the first go around, no recycle.

This is also assuming you got your Ranger tab and airborne prior.

This STILL doesn't include all your training. You probably won't deploy for another year because there's a lot more you need to learn.

What I'm getting at is, you'll be 30 before you have your first deployment with SF. Not that being 30 is a bad thing there, but if your ultimate goal is CIA, I'm going out on a limb and assuming you want SAD, or some other clandestine service?

>>27858898
If you study more before you actually take the asvab, you could get a funner MOS if you score in the 70's.

>>27858972
funny thing is, when I took that practice ASVAB, I had for all intents and purposes "dropped out" of highschool for two years
good thing I've got my shit together now

what sort of fun MOS?

>>27858804
>talking about Ranger Regiment
>calls confirmed Ranger a retard

>>27854161
Uh, what are you smoking?
I know Rangers that are 12B, 19D, 42A, 74D, etc.
Any MOS can submit a packet for Ranger School, but the school house gives preference to combat arms MOS or support MOS that have to work in close support with them.

>>27859015
Whatever you would enjoy doing. I'm sure there are plenty of people in Motor-T who absolutely love it, even though it has the lowest score requirement. Find what you will like.

>>27859015
>http://www.goarmy.com/learn/understanding-the-asvab.html
It all really depends on what your line scores or your composite scores are. You could have a shitty asvab score (percentile) but have a great ST score and get into MI. Every MOS has a score associated with it.

Depending on what your good at you could be inna tank or a dog handler or something. Just look at the requirements for each mos in the link.

>>27858952
I kinda figured I would have to serve for 8 years after I graduated anyway. The maximum age for a paramilitary operative (spooky clandestine operative) is 36 which can be waived anyway.

I thought that I could transfer to CI after 2 years and then maybe 1-2 years later I would be an O-3 (since I could technically graduate as an O-2 or at least be close to it since I'm probably gonna be in ROTC for 5 years)

I plan on doing Airborne over the summer next year if I qualify and I plan on getting my ranger tab right after I commission.

I think I can probably condense that so that I get into it by the time I'm 28 and stay for 2 years after that. Even if I can't, 30-35 is still relatively young.

>>27859169
Pardon my ignorance on this, but is NG even eligible for Airborne?

And really, it won't be up to you when you get your Ranger tab. If you go combat arms, you -have- to have it, so they'll send you. But if you're going intel, you very well might not get it.

30-35 is still young, you're right there. But just please keep in mind that the second you enter SFAS there are a ton of factors at play. Injuries, death, recycling, you name it.

I don't doubt your dedication one bit, and if you're prepared to make the long haul career of 12+ years in the Army, more power to you.

>>27859337
Idk if NG is eligible.

I'd be doing it through ROTC. If you qualify, you can go to Airborne or Air-assault school over the summer.

Ya, that's my dilemma, I want to go SF. but I also want to do CI for the CIA. I kinda need both but going Infantry would make it nigh impossible to do CI. Doing MI would make it a lot more difficult to be high speed and do ranger school/ special forces.

I'm thinking that if I'm able to transfer to CI after 2 years being enlisted in the guard it might make it easier to transfer to CI from Infantry?

Also I don't *have* to go special forces to become a paramilitary operative. With the majors I'm doing and experience in CI if go MI, I'll still be extremely qualified, but having experience in special forces on top of that would literally guarantee it. Same goes for if I get into special forces, but not MI or CI. I'll have a really good chance, but it might not be quite enough.

>>27859431
Just some advice, Special Forces is not a move you make as a means to an end. It isn't easy work, it isn't something you'll do for 4 years and leave out of. If you get selected, and you earn a Green Beret, you're going to be dedicated to it. Obviously there are exceptions, but don't look at Special Forces as a stepping stone, look at it as a career move, because that's what it is at the end of the day.

>>27857633
>Fuck military Tuition Assistance.

You know you can stack with the FAFSA, right? The $4500/yr from the military pays for my school, and the $2000/yr in grants from the FAFSA pays for "other educational expenses" (read: beer).

>>27859453
I'm not trying to say that it's easy work. I just know that I want to join the CIA at the end of the day. Trust me, if I wasn't bound by an age limit for the CIA I would be going about all of this a different way.

>>27859519
I just want to make sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I'm able to do what I want to do as a career.

>>27858613

If you want to go SF as an officer, you've got to do it a lot earlier than that. Your year group usually comes up when you're an O2. If SF is your goal, 18X is the most direct route there.

If CIA is your ultimate goal, don't bother to commission at all, just get a great GPA, learn a language, and apply there after college. You don't need to be a CI agent/SF coolguy in the Army to join the CIA. Most of their hires are right out of college.

>>27859554

To add to this, most people's career plans don't survive their first year in the military. You have this elaborate 10+ year plan that reads like an action hero's backstory.

Would it be cool to do a few years as a counterintelligence officer, then become a Special Forces officer badass, drop into a SMU, and eventually end up doing crazy action hero shit for the CIA? Sure.

But lots of teenage idiots have that same plan, and 99 % of them break some shit along the way, or meet a girl and decide they don't want it that bad, or do any number of other dumb things that make that future an impossibility. The longer your "career plan", the less chance that everything is going to come together perfectly.

That's why people are pushing you towards 18X. It get you into SF in under a year, and doesn't give you the time to lose your motivation or break yourself like your elaborate plan does.

>>27854583
An hour of free time in which excessively motivated squirrels engaged in PT or an hour of time reserved for personal PT?

>>27859554
Wait a minute, how soon can I apply to the Green Berets after I commission? I thought I had to be at least an O-3? Is that only for being a CI officer? Or do I have to be in for 2 years? Does that get waived if I was already enlisted in the NG for 4 years?
I'm confused.

Also, I want to be a CI agent and a SF coolguy. Wouldn't being both of those things as well as someone who double majored and learned Arabic in college pretty much ensure that I get hired? Everything I'm doing isn't only for the destination, it's for the journey.

>>27859634
Part of the reason I'm doing all of these things instead of going 18x or trying to join the CIA straight out of college is because I'm making sure that if one of my plans fail, I have 2 more to fall back on.

>>27858779
>Enlist with a recon contract. Pass BRC. Either stay in a recon batt or apply for Force Recon. Stay in good shape. Apply for MARSOC.
Thanks

>>27854622
>yeah, i was a ranger
>badass! have any stories?
>no, i was an accountant

>>27854779
Don't most commercial pilots make pretty shit pay for pretty shit hours though

>>27855371
Thank you for slightly brightening the board anon

>>27857619
By the time you leave Basic you will have changed your mind

>>27858419
>wanting to go higher than Captain

>>27859702

You have to be an O2 in the targeted year group. Officers have a small window where they can hop over to SF. Once in SF, they will generally only stay "operational" for a short period of time before moving back and filling staff/managerial positions. That's a very tight timeline to try and do both CI and SFAS.

There's a reason that even dudes with graduate degrees pick enlisting for SF over trying to become an 18A. Enlisting gets you there faster, lets you stay longer, and lets you actually be a trigger puller.

Some civilians have this crazy idea that officers are just better versions of their enlisted counterparts, but the work is very different. It's the management track through and through.

>>27859634
>or meet a girl and decide they don't want it that bad
are neet losers the true operators then?

>>27859846
Meh, I'm okay with only being operational for a short time since I would probably stay 2-4 years after I join SF.

What would be the timeline for CI then?

Ok here's my current situation.

>enlisting in the navy as active duty
>gave the recruiter all the necessary paperwork and completed forms
>took the asvab and scored 85 afqt
>recruiter tells me that there are no open slots at the moment for active duty
>tells me that there is a waitlist for active slots
>can only be given a slot if i take the asvab again and score high enough to enlist as a nuke

What i want to know is this a normal situation during the recruitment process for navy?

>>27860107
Your recruiter is a lying sack of shit. The Navy is in need of manpower at the moment, Cruisers and Destroyers are undermanned pretty heavily.


Your recruiter wants the fat paycheck of you going nuke and passing. Either have the balls (read: a lot of balls) to call your recruiter on his shit, and tell him what you want. Or just go to another office. When the other office asks you why you're talking to them, tell them straight up because the other recruiter was lying through his teeth.

The only BRANCH you'll ever have to wait for active duty in is CG.

>>27860194
I see.

Well my first option is to qualify for nuke. I wouldnt mind a second test. But now ill talk to him more about whats going on.

He did mention that they were looking for more reservists and female recruits along with nukes.

>>27860265
Here's what you do: drive to a different recruiting office. Tell them you are not going nuke so don't ask.

DO

NOT

GO

NUKE

or you will regret it

>>27860265
Any recruiter pushing Nuke on you is a piece of shit who's only out for himself, and has no interest in actually helping you get where you want to be.

Obviously some people want to go nuke. You get a degree, you can commission, there's a lot of money in it, etc. But if it wasn't what you wanted walking in, you sure as hell don't want it.

>>27860282
By going to another recruiter, would i have to go through the whole process of paperwork again?

>>27860340
No. If you're in the system they can access your packet. Your packet and ASVAB is good for 2 years.

>>27860107
Ditto on your recruiters a sack of shit. Your Asvab is high enough for nuke If I remember right, but there's a stupid supplemental test... but then again DON'T GO FUCKING NUKE.Also for the love of god do not go Undesignated.

>>27860194
>Either have the balls (read: a lot of balls) to call your recruiter on his shit, and tell him what you want.
When I went through MEPS in 06' the detailer there (not my recruiter) tried this shit to me and tried getting me to go Nuke, oh you want Nuke, yeah im giving you Nuke, and I told him to fuck off and I want EOD. He then tried giving me a big speach about how I had no idea what I wanted and couldn't make my own choice, no idea what EOD even was blah blah, at which point I told him fuck off I want EOD again. He then caved put me on phone with Dive Mo head guy at the time (Kory Knowles) to "dissuade me" at which point he simply asked If I knew what it was, I told him I did and the schools/requirements, he then told me to give phone back to the guy and I could hear him yelling at him through the phone. Was quite comical.

>>27860375
This.

Call your recruiter out. If you're ballsy enough to join the military you should be ballsy enough to call your recruiter on his shit and get the job you WANT to have for the next 3-5 years. Mine tried to sway me from 18X to cav scout, then combat engineer, then tried to push op. 40 on me. I told him straight up that I wasn't going to move forward unless I got the 18X, if the contract wasn't available I'd ask for him to make a phone call or I'd go to another recruiter's office and try with them. Just because it's convenient or close or you think your recruiter is your friend doesn't mean they're not going to fuck you over. If you're sure of what you want and what you're willing to do to get it, go out and get it. It's not going to be handed to you in civilian life or big mil as far as that's concerned.

>>27860453
Exactly, this is YOUR life. The recruitier/detailer will just be trying to fill billets that have openings for him, you are the one who has to live with that decision for the next 4-6 years depending on contract. Until you get to boot they don't own shit on you and you can simply walk away at any time no matter how much they will try to dissuade you.

Yes you might have to wait a few additional months to get the billet opening you want but if it's the job you want then it should be worth the couple month wait vs being in a job you hate for 4-6 years.

>>27851226
Lolling hard

>>27857103
What are you trying to say here? 6mo is fucking fine you child. You won't even be a real fucking soldier because you'll be a NG officer. It's not like you're going active duty.

So the only i have to do is go to meps for the physical. Thats what i thought until the recruiter told me there were no active slots open. And to wait for my security forms to be processed.

So im suppose to go to meps right after taking the asvab, right? Cause the physical is all thats left besides choosing a job.

>>27860558
You can go to meps multiple times, it depends on the station and what job you're going for.

Generally you go twice. Once after ASVAB for a physical, and then once on your ship date.

Some people go to take the ASVAB there, and have multiple physicals and interviews.

>>27860623
Army here. I went and took my ASVAB the evening I arrived at MEPS, stayed the night in a hotel, and did the physicals the next day. Went back the following week and signed my contract and swore in. 3 weeks later I shipped to OSUT. Moral of the story is: get your shit together BEFORE you decide to go to MEPS because after you get done with your ASVAB and physical you're going to be slotted to receive a job and the pressure is on for the recruiters to get you in one before you change your mind or back out.

To be honest MEPS was dope as fuck. The guys who were there were pretty chill but the people in charge have to deal with recruits every fucking day so they're a little on edge. Be kind, be professional, and say yes sir/ma'am regardless of rank or if they're a civilian or not. Also we got free dinner after the ASVAB, free hotel room, free breakfast (all the meals were buffets), free lunch after the physicals, then rode in a shuttle back home. I went twice but man it was not bad

>>27860282
I've been thinking about Nuke too. Is there anything particularly wrong with it, or are a bunch of dudes just getting pushed into it when they don't know what the fuck they are doing?

>>27860669
6 year enlistment
2 years in a training command (i.e, a bunch of stupid rules, like no alcohol)
ridiculously long shifts
Last one off the boat, first one on

Pretty sure most suicides in the Navy come from Nukes

>>27860669
6 year enlistment, 2 years of that are spent in school. It's a very stressful program with a heavy workload, and an awful lot is expected of you. The job itself consists of sitting in or near the reactor room of the ship/sub, no view, no real break from the depths of the ship. You spend very little time away from the ship, and are more restricted than other personnel when you are overseas.

The pros are pretty standard: You get solid enlistment bonuses when you re-up, you end up with a bachelor's in electrical engineering I believe, and the civilian job market is banging.

Nukes have one of the higher suicide rates iirc, and again, the washout rate at school is exceptionally high for a non-SOF job.

>>27853632
Which batt is viking batt. What are the nick names for other Batts and why? 68ws in batallion what's it like? Are batallion still deploying?

>>27857064
Lel no. Multiple rangers have Saud they like to grow their guys in batallion green rather than having transplants

>>27859030
>he doesn't know the difference between ranger school and the 75th

I want to join the army, but my poor oral hygiene when I was younger has caught up with me, and I'm probably going to lose one of my front teeth. How will that affect me? Would a flipper be passable, or will I need an implant if I want to get into a combat arms mos?

>>27860981
I had a guy in basic with me that had a couple flippers and no other teeth.

He was a truck driver from WV. He talked exactly the way you're thinking in your head right now.

>>27857103
Are you going to federal OCS or state?

>>27858341
35E is an extremely small AOC. Additional AOCs only happen at the captain level. You would go to the CI course after the captain's career course.

Also, just because you're 35E qualified as an officer doesn't mean that you will ever, ever, ever do a CI job or be in charge of CI soldiers.

If you specifically want to do a particular job, then enlist. That mentality is not an officer mentality.

>>27860846
I think viking batt is ranger battalion. RANGER = RAGNAR

Could be wrong but it seems fitting.

MY HOME IS VALHALLA

>>27860492
I can only speak for the Army but False, the recruiters themselves don't have billets for certain jobs. HRC puts out job availability listings at a certain time of the day(most of the time 3PM EST) to EVERY center in the United States. So in the System Army the uses once I get a packet for someone set and ready before they ship to MEPS, if an applicant wants a specific job I can check that system and set that person on a temporary reservation. Now when I do this, the temp assignment is good for up to 72 hours so that person has to be ready to get to MEPS and swear in if they want that job. A lot of jobs only need small numbers for their mission each year. So they fill up quick and that's it. Most jobs are usually open but they do close from time to time.

Here's the thing about recruiters, a lot of them are POG ass faggots who are so far removed from the actual military its disgusting, most of them convert to 79R to shuck deployments or doing hard work. They don't like bucking the system. Not many of us come from commands where you gotta rock the boat to get shit done. You want a specific enlistment option or annex to your contract? Then fucking push them for it. Recruiters live for walk ins, they shit green apples for alphas(50-64 on ASVAB) that walk in and know what they want. If you have it in your head that you want to join, before you ever step foot into a station then you have that recruiter by the balls. If they are smart they will roll out the red carpet and give you everything you want.

A quiet mouth in a big house doesn't get fed.

>>27847823
>Recruiter didn't know MEPS was closed veterans day
wow

I am just baffled

>>27850994
>I'll probably add more shit as I think of it.
Here's some shit to add: take a supply of TP on exercises. Take it in some kind of at least halfway waterproof bag. Keep that shit a secret.

Anyone one of these?
>avionics tech
>information systems tech
>aircraft maintenance tech

Selected these 3 in my application

>>27861535
You pretty much just restated in longer terms the exact thing I said, good on you.

>>27861897
I'm an Avionics Tech O-Level in US Navy.

>>27862079
>USN
>Avionics

So a joke.

>>27862182
>the Navy has no planes

>>27861535
I did this same thing very recently. Walked in with everything ready to do the paperwork to start, told him the exact contract I wanted(11x option 40), this was on a Tuesday afternoon. Thursday I went and tested at MEPs, the second I got back in the van to ride back home I was on the phone with my recruiter who already had my scores, 96 AFQT, he double timed it to get a temporary reservation set up. Got a call on Monday afternoon that I got the contract I wanted, processed through MEPs(skipped literally everyone in line waiting to see the liaison to do my paperwork and sign my contract)and swore in the following day.

Leave for OSUT Jan 5.

Go in with your research done. Be assertive and prepare to walkout if they don't want to help you.

>>27852382
Best? We has pretty good cooks, so the food was usually good compared to the rest of the navy fwiu.
Worst? The smell. Oh god, the smell.

>>27862079
>Exactly, this is YOUR life. The recruitier/detailer will just be trying to fill billets that have openings for him
>to fill billets that have openings for him
>openings
>for him

what you just said is the recruiter has certain jobs that the recruiter must fill. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Here's the thing about recruiters from all branches, for one no one that is selected to do it wants to do it and this leads to lots of issues, secondly no body trusts them. The DOD has spent a lot of time trying to fix the latter issue. and for you to spout off unrealistic bullshit is something that needs to be corrected.

>Navy
kek

>>27863693
Good shit, get your PRE BCT task list knocked out and start doing the PRE BCT PRT program. If you are in better shape than the people we usually use it for, then do what you've been doing. Congrats on getting the job you wanted, its going to be a wild ride.

>>27857522
speaking of, what does a warrant do all day? coming from a civilian

>>27860975
Wow. That literally made no sense.

Non-11 series are permitted to attend both.

>>27864337
I'm tired and read that wrong. Yes, Ranger School has nothing to do with entrance into the 75th (aside from folks in leadership slots, in which case a Tab is mandatory).

Thought you were the same guy who was saying that only infantry are in the 75th.

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>>27861212
Federal

I'm dead aren't I.

>>27851710
Did you start working out two years ago?

How are the reserves? Anyone ever served in them? What sort of benefits do they grant?

>>27851773
You can't have ADHD and join. So either quit acting like a bitch and get off your fake meds and join. Or continue civlife.

>>27864397
I don't take meds, I'm just afraid is basic too hard for someone who doesn't follow directions the first time?

>>27864528
You'll either be smart or strong

Here's a question:
What does it take to be a medic if you enlist in the US Army?
Would it help to already have a bachelor's degree in biology?

>>27864629
1. Get an AFQT that qualifies you for 68 series, then going through the AIT for that specific sub MOS of the 68 series.

2. Nope, not at all. You will go to the same AIT that some kid fresh out of high school will.

>>27865202
Thanks.
Would it help if someone already had a nursing or other medical degree/license, or would it just make the medical learning easier if one gets into the program?

>>27865288
It would probably just make it easier, but the army does have a nursing corps if that's an option you want to explore.

>>27860750
Is that it? That doesn't really sound torturous. (not the guy you're replying to)

>>27860805
Being stuck in the bowels is kinda lame but that still doesn't sound horrific. If I wasn't already in college for earth sciences I would be considering going nuke now

>>27860981
Does the military even give a shit if some enlisted is missing teeth? Seems like that would be mostly a non issue.

>>27862182
US Navy is the second biggest air force in the world after the USAF, and has more fighters.

>>27861237
I'm hoping to be an air force weather officer as a stepping stone to ultimately working for NASA. Does this mean I should consider being an enlisted weather tech or something instead? I am fairly confident I will be able to compete successfully for being a weather officer (assuming there is even competition, seems kinda niche) and I'm already a PT stud

>>27865202
A relevant degree won't fast track you but it would make training a lot easier probably, pretty sure a bachelors usually entails a higher starting pay too.

>>27865288
what >>27865421 said

>>27846660

any fellow bongs in the military?

Thinking of joining the TA, RAF reserves while i'm still at college.

Question: do you have to take several weeks out for training?

So I'm planning on going to the VA to get my Code 3 on my DD214 down or at least waivered, anyone got an estimate on how long it'll take?

>>27864337
Maybe I read it wrong? I read it as him knowing rangers because they submitted a packet to ranger school

>>27861461
But he said Ragnar batt is best batt. Which means it has to be one of the batts. I remember there was a name for the other Batts like angry batt and something else too.

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>get a call in Nintendo Direct
>Air Force recruiter finally getting in touch with me
>going in tomorrow morning to discuss my options
Alright, help. I've got plenty of questions to ask him and I know recruiters lying is pretty much a standard, but is there anything I should absolutely make sure to ask, watch out for, or get clarification on? For background, got a degree in Biology, and I'm trying to figure out if I've got a chance at Officer, or if it's the right choice. He mentioned a "dual track" option, anyone got any info on it?

If you fail out of RASP can you try again down the road? Or is it a one shot deal?

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>>27867487
>enlisting with a degree

This technically belongs here, so here it is, iv always wondered but could never find a clear answer to a question about joining the legion, and citizenship, i know that after your 5 years youre awarded an EU passport, and i think french citizenship, but do you renounce your citizenship to join the legion? Do you gain dual citizenship with your nation of origin? Would I be an ExPat.?

>>27867487
Why would you not have a chance at officer if you already have a degree?

Also curious about this dual track thing

>>27867664
Most countries will renounce your citizenship except in special cases. Joining another nation's military will almost invariably mean you lose your previous citizenship.

>>27867635
>>27867739
Honestly, I'm not sure. Is there anything GPA-wise, required extracurricular activities or anything like that I need that they don't just advertise? Are they downsizing and getting ultrapicky on their officers? Or, I'll be honest, references. I haven't kept touch with my professors so I might be able to get 1, and my last job I quit over 2 years ago (silly me thinking I could get a job right after graduating and needed to focus on studies) and everyone there, even the manager, is gone. So if they need like 5 education/work references, that's gonna be a problem, if not impossible.

Can you have an intelligence job (as officer OR enlisted) within a special force unit?

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I don't know if I should join the army or try to start a life in Europe

dual-national here

I don't expect people to have an answer for me or to know my situation, but anything you tell me helps

>>27864386
1.5 years ago I did

Hey, I just scored a 74 on my 12th grade ASVAB. (Not underage, by the way). I understand the information presented on the sheet... But what does it mean to a recruiter? I've seen that, if I remember right, a score of "110" is necassary on the ASVAB to qualify for going onto a ranger team... but the ASVAB only goes up to 99, according to a staff sergeant who runs the rotc program at my high school.

What am I completely missing here?

>>27867828
Europe is gonna be chaos soon

>>27867871
I'm really trying to convince myself anyway I can not to man

>>27867759
There are no GPA requirements but GPA is important if you want a competitive area. 3.0 is good, 3.5 is competitive. Extracurriculars are probably helpful but also not required.

If you can't get references, you're boned. Those are definitely important. How long have you been out of school? How have you been gone long enough to have past-tense lost touch with your professors, but not have any work references? Did you graduate with a degree in NEET science?

>>27867816
Most SOF units have intelligence areas. I don't think you will be a doorkicker though if you're in intelligence, you'll be some sort of desk or staff position.

>>27867871
Why?

>>27868057
>Why?

The Kebabenning is already in full effect. The people of Europe know they are about to get dicked but the governments are stonewalling.

>>27868034
Degree is Biology (specifically Cell Bio) with a 3.2 GPA. So unless I scored a research officer position, not very applicable to most things. And yeah, I think my Orgo professor remembers me because I see her every now and then, but of the three education main ones I had, one is like on Sabbatical or something and I can't get in contact with them, one is on a multi-month research trip until next year, and the other ignored my messages last time I asked for references (plus they're a huge liberal anti-gun etc that was just impressed with my Immunology grade, so they wouldn't be my top pick for this). All of my work supervisors/managers are gone, three got fired, one retired and the other moved to fucking Brazil. I tried earlier this year to track them down or at least grab contact info, no one knew where they went or had contact info for me, most got hired after they were gone.
Whelp, looks like that path got struck down. Any chance of an increased rank at all as enlisted with a degree? I mean, this is it. Either I take $35K+ in additional loans for another degree, I enlist, or I go full NEET and hope mis padres don't kick me to the curb.

>>27865202
>>27865288
>>27865421
Having an EMT-B certification will make you fasttrack the first part of 68w AIT and make you go straight to Whiskey phase.

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Hey everyone. Hope you're all well.

I'll try to keep this brief.
I'm 21 and im thinking of seeing a recruiter for the army.
I'm interested in earning a degree as an electrical engineer in college. Also interested in learning information security stuff.
US btw

Anons who know about this stuff, any advice/useful info is greatly appreciated!

would you consider joining? why or why not?

what would you say are pros/cons?

this is what i know so far:

I get paid to do a job in the army for a certain number of years depending on my contract, basic training is basically like the test to get into the army and begin training for your job. They pay for housing and meals, and you will have the opportunity to travel. There are a ton of benefits including medical/dental that also apply once you're contract is done. You also get tuition for college covered. I also heard that if you marry someone who served in the army, and you've served in the army, the government gives you a house... or something? idk...
hopefully some kind anon can clear that up!

thanks in /adv/ance! ^-^

>>27867635
>>27867739
>>27867759

Officer isn't the right choice for everyone, even if they're competitive enough to get it. It is an entirely different lifestyle and type of commitment with its own upsides and downsides.

>>27868219
>So unless I scored a research officer position,

99% of officers don't use their degrees at work, it is a box you check so you can go into general management. They don't even take your existing skillset into account when deciding where to place you as an officer because it doesn't really matter.

Finished up MEPS today and turned in my motivational statement for navy ocs. Anyone know what the boards are like ? I have one coming up and I just want to be prepared. Thanks /k bros

>>27867816
ISA. Google it. It's an SF section dedicated to intelligence. Not entirely SF, some are 35series but it's a lot of SF, and they do some crazy shit apparently.

>>27867487
His dual track option is likely something that will enlist you at E-4 and send you to OCS after you graduate basic. But your state should have an OCS office you can contact and go straight to Officer through them. That's arguably the best way to go.

The thing with AF is you need to understand going in, if you want to be an Officer, know what field you want to be in, and also explain why it isn't a pilot. Honestly, you'd be better off going Navy as an Officer if you aren't going to be a pilot (And arguably, even if you are). You get a lot more respect as a naval officer, and also a fucking ship.

>>27864363
Yes. Federal OCS is entirely hazing with no training benefit.

>>27866035
Probably extremely competitive, but I'm just some dumb Army fag so you'd be better off asking someone who knows about chair force things.

>>27866035
Talk to an AF recruiter or AF OCS recruiter for a definite answer, but Officer>Enlisted for resume purposes, Especially for government work.

>>27868653

ISA is not an SF section, it is an intel-focused SMU that works with other SOF elements.

>>27868947

This depends entirely on what you're applying to. Officers manage, enlisted get hands-on experience. If you're trying to get a management job, officer experience is going to be much better. If you're trying to get a technical position? Not so much.

Take programmers for example. If you're going for a programming job, it is obviously better to say "I've contributed to X, Y, Z software and know these programming languages" as opposed to "I was in charge of 20 programmers and made sure they wrote the software we needed".

>>27868160
I don't understand how Europe is going to collapse just "because immigrants"

>>27868219
They don't give one single fuck what your degree is in (except that if you're in STEM your gpa gets weighted some to account for the harder degree). You just need a bachelor's degree to show you can pass college, which is enough to show you're qualified.

You have a guarantee of starting with at least E-2 depending on branch if you have a bachelor's. I'm pretty sure it's E-2 for Marines, E-4 for Army, and E-3 for the others.

>>27868285
Basic training is training, not a test, and you will get several chances if you fuck up bad enough to somehow fail basic. If you go to basic you've already passed the "tests" to get into the military. I haven't heard anything about medical benefits staying after you're out, I hope that's true. That would be nice. Not just tuition but all costs are indeed covered after you get out by the GI bill.

If you're married while you're in you are given an on-base house to live in for the duration of your contract. If you're not married you have to live in the barracks, but I believe it's possible for you to live in an on-base apartment (which you pay for) after your first year. There are no benefits for housing after your contract ends.

>>27869681
> and you will get several chances if you fuck up bad enough to somehow fail basic.
Just how many is the question and what's to say one fuck up won't stop you from advancing on?

>>27868703
(not who you're replying to)
You only get a ship if you're a Captain, which is O6, not O3 like the other branches. But I think there are Commanders (O5) in command of some smaller ships.

Plus there are different officer roles in different branches. I specifically want to be a weather officer which is why I want to go for the AF. If I just wanted to be in a position of command I would join the Navy for the reasons you gave.

>>27868947
>>27869246
The thing is that I hope to use the position as an opportunity to learn about climatology and get a degree in either climatology or meteorology either while I'm in or with the GI Bill. So having been an officer would almost definitely be better as something to put on a resume, but I don't know if I would actually be learning much of the science as an officer.

>>27869699
Trust me. It's almost impossible to fail basic and if you do, you do NOT want to be in the military. I don't know if they're true but there are stories of guys spending over a year retrying basic repeatedly until they get sent home.

>>27869765
ISn't that usually due to injuries that they retake basic for a year or so?

Can any navyfags here gimme the skinny on IS?
It looks pretty interesting and could translate to a cushy govt job afterwards.

Is it shit? Is it cool?

If I joined the National Guard how likely would it be that I get deployed?

Should I even bother trying to enlist If I have a GED? I keep reading that they require higher ASVAB scores and only take a certain %

How likely is it that I'd get a job doing legal or police type work in the army or navy?

And if they don't find me that job will they fuck me over and give me front lines or something?

>>27869913
Talk to a recruiter. It doesn't hurt to try.

>>27869947
I think all branches have an enlisted paralegal MOS/AFSC/NEC etc. All branches should have an equivalent military police job too.

>>27867816
SF has SOT-A (35P) that gets attached. If you have a talent for foreign languages I would look into that. I hear 35Ms can sometimes do tactical interrogations.

>>27870022
Im wondering which would garentee me the job more though.
Also it seems army is much more investigating war crimes and actually combat zones. While nazy paralegal is cop work. Anyone have more to share? Im Googleing but I'd rather get the no bs 4chan version.

>>27868351
yeah but you'll be surrounded by idiots and treated like one if you enlist

Why isn't there more Seal talk? Is most of /k/ just SF fanboys or something? I'm serious about enlisting for either an opt 40 or Special Warfare with the navy being as I'm now in shape and received my asvab scores.

>>27870625
>why isn't there more seal talk
Just read one of the countless books or watch their movies. They'll gladly talk to you about it whether you want to know or not.

>>27870659
I feel it. I hate how heavily Hollywooded they are now.

Sent in an application to the Canadian Forces last night. Got an email saying my application was chosen for further processing within 10 hours. Is that normal or does that mean they liked it?

Now I just have to wait a couple weeks until they have a booking for my aptitude test. I know it's super basic shit for morons but I'm gonna drop some money on a guide book and try to ace it regardless.

>>27870625

well, if you get injured or disqualify or quit during the Q course or RASP you at least get sent back as airborne infantry

if for whatever reason that happen or you just don't get selected after passing indoc when trying for SEALs you're being sent to whatever terrible/unglamorous support job the Navy feels is most undermanned

>>27869812
Not very. But if we end up in another war (moderately likely, because the military needs something to do, right?) the chances go up. NG deploys a lot more than most people think.

>>27870625
/k/ definitely is just hardcore SF/grunt pride fanboys but I think it's just because most people on /k/ are interested in the Army. I don't think I've ever seen someone in meg interested in being a SEAL either.

>>27857534
Was okinawa that bad?

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>>27846660
Anyone here a ligonier ?

>>27869622

> what is a society and how does it function?

>>27872096
Through goodwill and and good thoughts, anon! Where's your progressive spirit?

>>27869622
It won't, but big populations of poor immigrants make things worse for the poor people who already lived in the country since they start having to compete with them for jobs and welfare. The idea that immigrants will come and rape you and your family is ridiculous if you live in a well off or middle class area. If you do live in the ghetto then your problems will probably be the same, but you'll have different colored perpetrators.

The AF website says there are chances for officers to attend the AFIT for graduate degrees as an active duty assignment. Does anyone know what the chances are of being able to do that? And would it probably entail serving longer?

>>27869913
I have a 35M friend who literally doesn't have a degree.

what does a 25a do exactly? Do they command any of the other 25 series mos or do they like specialize?

>>27870625
Honestly? Because the majority of /k/ and /meg/ has a pipeline in their head of how they're going to become operators. Most figure they'll start infantry, go to RASP or SFAS. They're planning to go 3-4 years down the line, it's a lot easier to say "Yeah I'm gonna be an operator" that way.

If you get into the SEAL challenge program, you have to already be in shape and ready to go. Most of /meg/ isn't going to be, so they're not going to.

Same way most of /meg/ doesn't talk about UZ contracts for the Marines.

Another big thing is most of /k/ folk aren't going for CA jobs. A lot want to be in the intel world, or on the tech side in Navy/AF. Intel may not get all the glory, but it gets the high paying jobs after military. Same with tech jobs like Nuke.

Also sidenote: After 2011 the SEALs became a showboating force. Not to take away from what they do, but they became very much NOT quiet professionals. There was even incidents of some DEVGRU guy posting pictures getting ready to jump on instagram. It really damaged the SEALs reputation among military people, particularly those in SOF, and people on /k/ who admire the quiet professionalism of SOF.

>>27874143
All "a" billets (read: Officers) are management roles. From O-1 to O-3 they are generally involved in their job, and relatively hands on. Once they pass O-3 they become Staff Officers. They're no longer actively involved in their MOS, instead they play politics with the Colonel/General above them to get promoted and get the best billets they can.

>>27870315

Depends where you end up. The less retarded your peers are, the less likely that you will be collectively treated like tards.

I've been in units of fuckups where we had to have daily formations to remind us to fuck up less.

I've also been in units where everyone was able to act like an adult and the bullshit was kept to a minimum.

>>27874578
I've worked in a TOC that answered questions for and sent people out to work with various secret squirrel units. Two interactions with SEALs and attached NSW.

Both times I was irritated at them.Mostly it's an attitude problem and putting on a "We so much better and cooler than everybody else!" shtick which doesn't earn them many friends. The Army and Marine SOF I've run across of course love to fuck with uptight SGMs and show off thier cool gear, but they know when to turn it off and not be a dick to people they are working with. I think it does have to do with the fact that Army and Marine SOF culture is more heavily influenced by people who had prior conventional jobs.

This isn't to talk bad about the individual Navy people, I am sure 1 on 1 they could run circles around me physically and outshoot me. But they seemed to be very "cowboy" when it came to boring parts of mission planning. Note in all the publicly released stuff about SEAL missions (especially the ones that went bad), they rarely had fully formed fallback plans and/or equipment would "just break" (ie- no PMCS).

>Because the majority of /k/ and /meg/ has a pipeline in their head of how they're going to become operators.

A lot of young people here. The population of this thread makes it seem like the military is nothing but special operations.

>>27846660
im thinking about joining the airforce, is there anything i should know before i go for it?

This'll seem like an odd question, but I have a flecktarn parka from an army navy store that I like to wear when it gets cold, I'm shipping this Wednesday and my recruiter said to wear something warm, so naturally I went for my parka.

It still has the German flag on it, should I pull it out or well nobody care?

>>27875783
You are setting yourself up to be fucked with at basic, Jesus Christ.

Wear a normal non-milsurp jacket. You'll get issued your uniform stuff quickly and then be warm enough.

>>27875805
Because of the camo pattern or because of the flag? Oh well, I can just double up hoodies on the bus

>>27875843
Both.

>>27875861
Black and grey urban camo looking hoodie ok then? It really doesn't look high speed.

Either that or an American eagle + vest combo

>>27875893
You don't have to overthink it. Christ. A black and white hoodie is probably fine if that's all you've got. Just don't wear something that makes you stand out. Wearing milsurp is like a big spotlight on you at a time when you should be trying to look as uninteresting as possible.

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Saw "/k/" carved into one of the portashitters last week at efmb. I guess these threads are working.

>>27875768
What MOS?

>>27875893
Do you not just have a regular coat or a solid hoodie? youre really setting yourself up to fucked with at basic

>>27876291
Fucked with how? I went ahead and laid out my bag: 3 socks/under wear, 2 flannel shirts (red and black/blue and black), 4 pack black/grey hanes tees, blue jeans, tan jeans, grey sweats, Tupperware box with sundry items (1 razor, small shaving cream, toothpaste, toothbrush, soap), then I'll just wear a thin blue hoodie and red vest to keep warm on the bus.

Too much? I was thinking of taking 1 outfit out of my bag and wearing that as I go through, because I was told 3 outfits but if I pack 3 and wear 1 I've got 4. It's not like this is stressful, just hate the thought of being unprepared/underprepared.

>>27876488
Different Anon here
Man I just went to basic with the clothes on my back and a small sling bag for it when I got my new uniform

>>27876488
Wearing milsurp is just setting yourself up to be teased as big boy army guy or something, i wouldnt recommend it. You will probably be fine with just one pair of pants, and I can't imagine why you would need 6 shirts. Definitely take the 3 pairs of socks/undies though.

>>27876488
By the way, the anons talking about teasing and singling out mean the Drill Sergeants will doing it, not the other trainees.

I remember way back in the day going through basic and the DS asked if anybody was JROTC. Some over'motos excitedly raised their hands and then proceeded to get fucked with extra hard for the duration of training. Don't be a moto'tard.

>>27876572
>>27876758
My recruiter did say to over pack, but yeah the bag is kinda full. 1 grey t, 1 black t, red flannel in bag, then blue jeans, random t shirt, red flannel, hoodie on as I go through meps and the bus ride, plus socks and under wear and bathroom stuff, I can't imagine needing more.

>>27876816
Spare cash on hand (tucked way deep in your long term bag) and a prepaid phone card.

>>27876816
Your recruiter is a dick, then again I did leave when it was summertime so hell if I know how it is over where you are.

19D vs. 11B?

>>27876980
Want a hat? 19d
Hate hats? 11b

Are they ever going to fix the Lautenberg Amendment deal where someone with a verbal domestic charge isn't able to enlist?

Because I have that.

>>27877455
No

>>27877455
dude what did you do

>>27852162
ITS here leaving this month.

How often are you in a sub and for how long is the duration of the trip? When you port, how long do you port for?

How soon after I graduate can I go to boot camp?
And can I do the whole enlistment process without my parents knowing, can I start it before I graduate so I can leave for boot camp soon after graduation? I'm an 18 year old senior by the way who wants to be a Marine.

am i the only one i enlisted because i tought war will break out soon. A great one.

>>27879059

If you're 18 you can make your own decisions.

As long as you can "sneak" to the recruiter and MEPS (staying at a friends house) they don't need to be notified.

Honestly you might as well just tell them that your mind is made up you're doing it. They're gonna find out after all.

>>27879102
Alright, but how long is the enlistment process?
Let's say I graduate June 6, how soon after I graduate do I go to boot camp?

So how similar to Seals are Rangers? Because being as I'm interested in both I'm looking for something with smaller unit tactics. I know rangers specialize in airfield seizure and are basically elite light infantry. Would Seals be what I'm looking for because of the smaller teams or what? If I go rangers I'll likely do that till my contract is up then check out SF depending on how I like it.

>>27879232

Joined during the Iraqi Surge they'd ship you within a month if you wanted it. I said nah fuck that and asked for 3 months.

I've heard they string you on along more now. 3-6 months I guess?

Your fellow DEPers probably know more, join their IRC channel.

>>27879298
You're a retard.

>>27879298
Assuming you even qualify for rangers, fatass

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So what disqualifies you during the background check for clearances? This is the only thing that might stop me from getting an Intel job.

The reason for that is because I have extensive foreign and criminal contacts. The foreign contacts are from who I hung out with in college, and the criminal contacts are from when I was a journalist either going undercover or directly interviewing criminals as a journalist. If somebody does some digging they are going to find that while I have a clean record and never profited from criminal activity that there are conversations where, for instance, I'm posing as a money launderer setting up a meeting with the head of an escort agency. Can I explain this sort of thing to them so that they don't think I'm fucking John Gotti who inexplicably decided to become a soldier?

How hard are the questions on the Canadian forces aptitude test?

What can/should I take with me to BT? What happens with my cellphone? Can I bring my pedometer?

>>27879890
You can bring whatever you want, but I'd keep it to one bag. Anything you're not allowed to have (i.e. most of what you bring) will be stored securely and returned when you graduate. You can have a cell phone but I believe you can only access it once a week or something like that. No idea why you would want to bring a pedometer to basic with you.

>>27880127
Keeping track of my steps is a weird hobby of mine. I'd love to see the total of all BT.

>>27879232
I joined the DEP back in the first week of June. My ship date is January 25th. Some the others from around here that are enlisting now are getting dates into next summer.

Depending on the job you want, a position might open to leave earlier. Dude from here was supposed to leave for basic for infantry, but 5 days earlier he and some friend went around shooting some jews with BB guns and got kicked out of the program. His spot got taken by another guy who'd been there for like 2 week.

>>27881307
>>27881307
>>27881307

New thread.