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/k/. When will the military field exoskeletons to soldiers and is there any heavily armored units in the military?
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front lines? maybe in 500 years or so
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>>22853973
>heavily armored units

yes
tanks

>>22854020
>front lines? maybe in 500 years or so
Im gonna say <100
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I sort of picture them being used in logistical support roles, like heavy lifting and engineering tasks. Not really in combat.
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>>22854037
I meant by soldiers as armored as this
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>>22853973
It will be a while before they are so advanced they will be used to up-armor soldiers but to help shoulder ruck weight it's on the horizon I'd say.
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>>22854049
Exoskeletons only solve the load bearing issue. It does not solve the fact that it gets hot as fuck in all that plate.
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>>22853973
>Go ahead and break my arms faggot, I'll do push ups with my dick
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>>22854044
Sort of a replacement for forklifts?
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>>22854089
>What is liquid cooling
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>>22853973
the ability of the suit will help soldiers pick up/carry heavy objects allowing for soldiers to carry that heavy as fuck suit completely negating it in the first place.
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Gotta admit, I kinda liked how Edge of Tomorrow portrayed them.
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>>22854127
>dat Emily Blunt being sweaty as fuck with her toeless socks
Should've kept the novel ending though.
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>>22854109
>Adding environmental support systems to an exoskeleton.
>still calling it an exoskeleton.
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>>22854127
The fucking aliens were kick ass, seeing how fast they moved was pretty cool.
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>>22854089
Isn't the major drawback of light exoskeletons that the load they take off is equal to the load they put on thus rendering them pointless?
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>exoskeletons
Sir Tiptop Kekkington, no. Not until we can afford both research and production. Or even a use for them aside from prototype unit warfare.
>heavily armored units
Dismounted? No. Mounted? Obviously. An Abrams doesn't weigh any less than 50+ tons on any given Sunday, a little more so with ERA/USK equipment.

In other words, not our lifetime, unfortunately.
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>>22854183
>Not knowing what an exoskeleton is.
Adding computer fans does and water tubes does not stop it from being a support structure that exists outside of an organism.
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>>22854441
Aww shit mother fucking proofreading.
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>>22854126
>the ability of the suit will help soldiers pick up/carry heavy objects allowing for soldiers to carry that heavy as fuck suit completely negating it in the first place.

I don't think you understand.
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>>22854044

They could have niche use for heavy weapons in the combat role. I don't think the first exoskeletons will replace conventional infantry, either.
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>>22854461
Only when technology allows for extra weight being carried, while still allowing enough mobility and speed can I see the role of "heavy infantry" being brought back into the battlefield. This however would require exoskeletons being able to carry a substantial amount of armor, speed, mobility and a large powersupply
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I could see a heavily armored exosuit being perfect for the first guy in on door breaches. You don't need to be able to carry anything more than a gun and the armor.

As time goes on and the tech behind it improves we'll see more troops using them until eventually it's standard issue and integrated into a battlesuit of some kind.
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>>22853973

Powered exoskeletons would only be viable provided it gave adequate protection to soldiers without sacrificing mobility, making the soldier's profile fuckhueg, had adequate power, and armored structurally weak vital systems (that if shot, render the armor unusable) and ergonomic. That being said, even the strongest armor can be pierced even by fairly dated conventional weapons. The best way to fight a ground war (particularly in regards infantry) is to have the initiative on your enemy and to avoid being seen so as to maintain the element of surprise and maximize your economy of force. Powered exoskeletons are counter intuitive in this regard in the current state.
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>>22854857
Sometimes you want a big huge hulking thing though. Nothing quite says "you're fucked" like ye olde hulkbuster coming after you with an intent to paint the room with your blood.
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>>22854881

While pyschological warfare is fine and dandy, people have to worry about getting shot.

And nothing draws fire better than a big object. Unless you intend to armor that soldier in reactive tank armor, you best have a body bag ready and a letter to send home.
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>>22854901
>Explosive reactive armor strapped to soldier in hope of stopping bullets
>mfw something sets that shit off
Hi, my name is gullible and welcome to Jac/k/ass.
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>>22855047

lul

you're pretty funny for a tripfriend
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>>22855080
All I did was imagine ERA going off while mounted to some very unlucky SOB and either it shredding him apart or hurling his ass several dozen feet from the shock repeatedly as it all goes off. Human pinball.
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>>22854901
Well, that's solved by much of the bulk being armor.

Drawing fire is actually not that bad if you can handle it and dish out a hefty amount of return fire. You have the advantage of being able to be shot multiple times and be fine, they don't. Suppress the enemy and be the focal point while your squadmates are able to largely move freely since everyone and their grandmother is focused on the behemoth unloading in their direction.
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>>22854857
We Space Marine nao.
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>>22854106
I suppose for artillery loaders will benefit.
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>you will never fire an arm-mounted browning m2 from your powered exoskeleton

;_;
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>>22855236
Or a shoulder mounted minigun...
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We are using exo's right now on a trial basis in Afghanistan last I heard. The HULC is getting more and more efficient and with recent advancements in battery tech we could use sugar to power them. http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-29/scientists-have-created-sugar-powered-battery-our-smartphones
Sugar powered fuel cells guys, you could collect the waste water from the system to I would think.
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Warfare will become more ninja like than space marine like in the future

Literally ninja navy seals with cloaking devices
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>>22853973
The only practical application of exoskeletons in the military today is support a.k.a. moving heavy loads like artillery shells etc.
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>>22855318
Probably a bit of both, just without the utterly retarded amount of grimdark bullshit.
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>>22853973
When they manage to make it small enough that they can actually replace limbs with it, and medical science has advanced to the point where limbs can be removed or replaced like USB sticks.

Imagine - you've just completed your CDC, and you're now a fully qualified Navy Seal. Then they tell you it's time for the surgery. Your current limbs will be kept in cryo storage for the next 5 years until your contract is up.

They put you under. Your arms are taken off at the sockets, your legs are taken off at the femoral sockets, your hip is removed, and the vessels are closed. Your shoulder blade is removed, and replaced with a series of CV joints that connect directly to your replacement hips. Your ribs are removed and replaced with slatted steel armor, braced against the shoulder-hip join so your insides don't get accidentally crushed.

Each limb is tied into your nervous system and responds exactly as your normal limbs would, down to the dexterity of your fingers and complete sensory feedback.

Each piece is powered by a small reactor which charges a battery, and while being fairly weak, it's enough to power you for normal movement. For strenuous movement you can flip a switch and go superhuman until the energy runs out and must be recharged.

We Crysis now.
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>>22854269
i mean right now maybe, but development can take time for something like this. realy the biggest problem would be powering the damned thing for long enough for combat useage. if it clocks out after 24 hours its not going to be anything other than maybe a specialist item or something for transporting goods, which was kind of the point in the first place, helping people carry boxes.
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>>22853973
fighting for freedom and getting high with your comrades when?
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>>22855368
Join the navy seals! Become a cripple TODAY!
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>>22855400
actually it should be
>join the navy seals ! get to have a tube in your ass forever !
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>>22855374
The only way I can see it working now is if it was used for defensive purposes, and users remained within a certain area.

In Evangelion, the EVA's have a 5 minute power supply, but get around this by putting multiple power cables throughout the city they are defending.

This would be retarded as all shit for an exoskeleton, but it would work.
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>>22855400
Not necessarily. I mean nothing except some skin, muscle and nerves would actually have to be cut to remove your legs and arms. If you've got the tech to interface nerves with an artificial leg, I'm sure you can interface them back with normal nerves again.
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>>22855415
I don't think exoskeletons have any major advantages over a regular infantryman in a fortified position if used defensively.
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>>22855437
>This would be retarded as all shit for an exoskeleton
I'm just saying if you really wanted the Exo-spoopy Defense Force, it's feasible.
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>>22855415
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>>22855427
Still it doesn't have any benefit, an operator doesn't need superhuman strenght to punch heads off, maybe corneal implants with some sort of glasses for a HUD display would be much more useful.
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>>22855475
Damnit, anon. This isn't the time for best girl.
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When they
a) invent a battery that holds enough charge to power it indefinitely/a safe and easy way of making shitloads of power
b) make manufacturing it cost effecient
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By the time these see combat use battery tech will have improved. If it's not good enough yet then just wait a few years. It WILL improve and we can only speculate on how much.

>>22855415
>Can make giant fighting robots capable of incredible mobility
>Cannot into improving battery technology or other power sources alongside it

>>22855478
I never asked for this.
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Fuck exoskeletons. Full prosthetics is where it's at.
http://youtu.be/s0fzIAYRVAI?t=3m29s
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>>22855487
Just making sure we are on the same side anon.
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>>22855415
Just run them on gasoline, JP8 or diesel. I don't know why everyone seems to think you need an entirely electric drive for this shit.

Also the first true exoskeletons to actually see battlefield use probably will be tethered, most likely to tanks for logistics use.
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>>22855478
He needs superhuman strength to run across a 50ft expanse, exposed to enemy fire, while they're reloading.

He needs superhuman strength to shoulder an M2 and fire it from the crate of ammo he's carrying on his back.

He needs superhuman strength to punch straight through a wall, instead of breaching a doorway where the enemy has all their guns pointed.

He needs superhuman endurance to do all of the above for hours, or even days, at a time. Drugs can already keep you mentally alert - but if your leg and arm muscles aren't drawing energy, you will have far more stamina to carry on non stop than you would otherwise.

You also have the benefit that your extremities are all armored to some degree against small arms fire. Made dense enough, and nothing but a gutshot or a headshot would put one of these guys down. The kinetic energy of a bullet hitting your frontal shield would be transferred back into the supports, and at worst you get a bruised back, whereas before you would've had a hole in your chest.
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>>22855522
Gasoline is heavy. The point of power armor is for the soldier to be able to carry a shitton of equipment, and that point is kind of lost if they have to carry a hundred liters of gas on them
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>>22855512
Why is she so perfect?
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>>22854269
No, the major drawback is battery technology not being advanced enough to allow usage for long periods of time, for example, the Lockheed Martin HULC allows soldiers to carry up to 200 lbs + the weight of the exoskeleton without noticing it, run at speeds up to 7 MPH, and sprint at up to 10 MPH (at a large cost to battery life), the only problem is that the battery only lasts 4 hours if all of the soldiers time is spent walking at 3 MPH. Once they solve the battery problem it will be ridiculous what soldiers could be armed with (average weight carried by soldiers today including ruck is about 80-90 lbs), all while sprinting around like they are carrying nothing.
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>>22855537
And that's assuming he's running naked through the field, too. Slap on body armor and you've got yourself a regular Terminator.
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>>22855544
No one and nothing from that garbage pile of a series is perfect.
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>>22855544
>dubs
>trips
>dubs again
Well, it's confirmed. Asuka best girl, BTFO Rei fans.
>even though I like her too..
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>>22855540
There's more than one endgame for exo-skeleton development. Heavy infantry able to field normally crew served or vehicle mounted weapons is one of them and probably the closest thing to the power armor we see in fiction.
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>>22855555
>pic related
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>>22855555
>>22855559
Does Rei even gun?
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>>22855559
>>22855544
>>22855512
>>22855487
>>22855475
>liking shit
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>>22855555
>anti Eva quits.
Ugh. I'm done.
>>22855569
B..but.. it was Misato's idea for him and Asuka to live together...
And Geendo just wan't him with Rei so he can see Yui again...
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>>22855576
No one likes you, Skank.
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>>22855545
The HULC system uses 1000 watts of power.

The Hoch nuclear reactor can put out 10 kilowatts, and it's small enough to hold in your hand.

We have the technology, people are just squeamish about applying it where it needs to be.
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>>22855587
Other Asukafag here, i like her. just not as much.
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>>22855555
The fives have spoken, let none question their wisdom.
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>>22855591
Disgusting.
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I liked Evangelion back when you were still drinking out of a sippy cup

I watched the movies in Japanese because they had not translated them yet

On dialup
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I figure at some point in the future basic troops will resemble this with advanced powersuits.
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>>22855545
Pic related is the HULC, simply doubling the weigh soldiers can carry would do ridiculous things, doubling the weigh of the armor soldiers carry could give them full body NIJ IIIa coverage plus rifle plates over the full torso and the front of the upper arms and their helmet could be made to stop rifle rounds + a NIJ IIIa ballistic mandible/face shield, combining this with the LSAT program would allow them to issue every soldier a LMG and the guys who would normally get LMGs could be given an XM214 microgun.
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>>22855588
I blame hippies.
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>>22855588
That looks like it lacks shielding and would be completely unsafe unless you wanted all of your soldiers to get cancer.
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>>22855588
If you scale it up a little you could use an aircraft engine and have enough power left over to run some serious sensors and maybe a laser based APS system.
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>>22853973
I fail to see how that shit actually helps you carry more weight or be stronger.
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>>22855663
The machine is much stronger than the man and the machine doesn't get tired.
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>>22855663
>I fail to see how a machine can be stronger than a human

The exo can do far more work work than the soldier. All the soldier is doing is operating it.
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>>22855663
>what is a motor
Nigger, pleasebtrollin'
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>>22855673
>>22855672
>>22855675

It's not that. It's that I don't see how wearing that shit makes you stronger since you are actually carrying the weight of the machine and the stuff you are carrying.
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>>22855663
Because the robot parts are assisting you in carrying the weight, it's the same principle behind hey bro this dresser is too heavy for me to move on my own, come help me. How is this hard to understand?
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>>22855685
The machine carriers itself you nugget.
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>>22855656
That's the shielded all-in-one fast breeder reactor module. Runs on fluoride and thorium, and something like a few hundred grams of thorium can keep it running for months.
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>>22855685
You don't, it carries itself + extra
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>>22855685
The machine carries it's own weight dingus.
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>>22855686
>>22855689
>>22855696
That makes no sense at all since you are still carrying the machine.
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>>22855685
A human being can lift it's weight and more.
A machine can do that to an extreme.
It's weight is arbitrary compared to how much it can lift

>>22855701
And? It's not as if the machine is several tons.
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>>22855663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZolI1j8JA

Perhaps this more primitive exoskeletal arm will more clearly demonstrate the mechanisms involved.
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>>22855701
>this nigger
You are carrying you own weight and possibly more right now. How does it not make sense?
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>>22855701
You might actually be retarded man. I'm kinda sorry this is how you hand to find out.
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>>22855701
Do you not know how a master/slave system works? You aren't pushing against the robot suit to get the robot suit to move, the robot suit is reading your movements and then duplicating them.
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>>22855693
>60s
>Knowing jack shit about preventing cancer
Pick one.
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>>22855714
Yeah, well, if the technology didn't get shut down as a proliferation threat, it'd be more developed by now, and I'm sure we could have adequate shielding put on it.
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>>22855701
>inb4 you're still carrying the weight while wearing it.

The machine is mostly supporting you. Same way a grown dad can carry his kid, and a cinderblock. All you are doing it steering the fucker.
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>>22855714
So build one with modern tech. Oh wait, the ecotards won't let us, because something built decades ago is unsafe the modern version of it must also be so. Meanwhile wind farms chop birds into little pieces and solar power stations are flash frying them by the hundreds.
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>>22853973
Too spensive for right now, your life isn't worth half a mil easy, maybe when it gets less expensive, till then, nope.
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>>22855719
I hope this shit actually gets released for the public.
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>>22855728
I could actually use this in my line of work, and assuming this shit goes places in 20 years, I most likely will.
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>>22855701
Imagine a big burly man and you're standing on his feet and he's holding your arms while you lift things doing almost all the work for you. It's exactly like that only the exo-skeleton doesn't tickle the back of your neck with it's chest hair.
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>>22855723
>birds
...wha..what?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous it is to imply solar and wind are environmentally damaging sources of power?
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>>22855727
Also imagine all the more shit that you get to carry! I hope everybody like carrying mortar base plates.
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>>22855723
Radiation shielding still weighs a lot and takes up a lot of room.

>>22855728
Considering the US wants the first versions ready for use by special forces by 2018, the first milsurp ones should be available by 2050 if not sooner.
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>>22855742
>only the exo-skeleton doesn't tickle the back of your neck with it's chest hair
Really?
Cancel the project.
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>>22855742
>>22855742
>the exo-skeleton doesn't tickle the back of your neck with it's chest hair.
0/10. Worthless.
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>>22855743
Solar farms destroy insect populations around them.

Wind farms are causing migratory bird species to go extinct as they get confused and end up getting slaughtered en masse in the turbines, or at the very best, don't make it to their destination and die of starvation.
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>>22855742
This is the best thing I've read all night.
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>>22855743
Birds fly into the wind turbines and get chopped up, and the solar power stations heat the air around them to the point that any bird that flies too close will burst into flame.
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So, something like this?
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>>22855739
Senior care?
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>>22855760
Fucking Christ, no. Scrap most of that.
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>>22855753
>>22855755
Guys remember this is only the prototype. I'm sure comforting simulation body hair will be included in the production model along with a soothing baritone voice that whispers motivational phrases in your ear.
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>>22855760
>tfw those only showed up for like 5 minutes
>tfw you didn't get to use one
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>>22855771
Can't exactly be sneaky in one.
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>>22855765
Automotive and fabrication. Shit's fucking heavy, and power armor would be great.
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>>22855760
Metal Gear never gets the feet right. They're always tiny and shaped like heels.
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>>22855760
Why does shit like this always include heavy armor over the legs and no armor over the arms or chest, seriously what the fuck? The armor from Edge of Tomorrow was the same way.
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>>22855588
sauce on that?
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>>22855789
>Edge of tomorrow
>Mass produced stuff to fight aliens in a desperate fight
>Giving a shit about the soldiers that only last a couple of minutes in the battlefield.
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>>22855759
Are you saying killing birds and then burning them is bad.
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>>22854037
Technology is exponential

Expect SOF units to have working power armor suits before 2035.

Look at tanks in WW1. Then look at tanks 25 years later.
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>>22855743
Funny thing is it's actually true. Birds fly into the concentrated light beams in the salt turbine type (the tower surrounded by mirrors) and burst into flames as if it was a kid frying ants with a magnifying glass.

The solar plants are Archimedes' heat ray in action super sized and computer controlled.

As for the turbines they smack birds right out of the air. A solution to that is make them ducted and put a mire mesh over the openings.
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>>22855780
You weren't exactly stealthy when they showed up, gunning them down with the turret on Drebin's APC and all.
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>>22855800
Not if you plan on eating them no, but since when are hippies not also tofu swilling vgans?
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>>22855804
I would have to put a hilt on the male one and use the female as a sheath. Attach it to a belt or something and you've got a weapon that will cause an immediate wtf from any attacker.
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>>22855792
You can find bits and pieces online, but I studied it briefly at Colorado State doing nuclear physics. Not sure where you'd find anything solid but in an enormous textbook.
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>>22855804

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>>22855804
And by working power armor I mean like shit like not that god awful garbage we today. That's just first generation.

I honestly expect Master Chief tier power armor ( without energy shields of course ) before 2070.
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>>22855813
Man, fuck exoskeletons, when can I get an Octocamo stealth suit?
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>>22855792
just reverse-image-searched it, this is just a pebble from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble-bed_reactor
and there are shitload of these in a single nuclear reactor
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>>22855827
It's plausible. You would have to pull some Deus Ex body augmentations though.
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All I want to know is:

>Would I be able to punch through concrete and lift cars with those things?

Imagine the fun you could have destroying shit with that exoskeleton
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>>22855821
Textbook title? I am a maths student in Britbong, but I feel that with some reading I'll be able to understand it.
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>>22855827
see
>>22855368
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>>22855842
Yes, but it wouldn't be easy. Concrete is already a bitch to destroy without spending hours pounding away at it, or using so much force that everything nearby also gets fucked.

You could seriously fuck up a car though. Probably rip the fenders off.
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>>22855836
Wouldn't even need augmentions tbh. Master Chief's suit weights, what? 1,000lbs? Current shit tier power armor like in the OP can already carry 200lbs like it's nothing in the year 2014.

New technology grows exponentially really fucking quick. Look at both the airplane after WW1 and the tank. Or space tech.
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>>22855806
Thinking about it those solar arrays could be weaponized in spectacular form. I can see it now.

>2025, war has begun
>Hostile jets make the mistake of flying over the great Californian solar farm (formerly death valley).
>Everything seems fine then they notice an intensely bright light and everything starts getting hot within seconds.
>Light just keeps getting brighter and eventually the plane bursts into flames and the hull begins to melt from the intense heat.
PRAISE THE SUN!
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>>22855817
>looping all liberals in with hippies
Fuck you're ignorant.

Here's the difference in our philosophies:
I listen to scientists whose job it is to determine and spread the truth to the fullest extent that modern science can determine on various topics, including the enviroment
You listen to corporate pundits paid by organizations who have a vested interest in an ignorant populous.
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>>22855845
Nuclear Systems Volume I: Thermal Hydraulic Fundamentals, Second Edition.
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>>22855833
If our timeline follows the metal gear universe's? Next year, and we'll have full body cyborg conversions two years after that.
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>>22855872
In the original Gundam series the federation had a weapon like that, and they didn't even have to gas a colony to make it.
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>>22855588
>The Hoch nuclear reactor can put out 10 kilowatts, and it's small enough to hold in your hand.
>>22855835

Sure, the core can (not the size of a single pebble but about the size of a mini keg is the right ballpark) but once you add in all the shielding and cooling then you're looking at something the size of a washing machine minimum, and that's assuming you aren't too fussed about radiation emissions.

A pebble bed reactor can't magically overcome critical mass requirements. You could use a fissile material with a lower critical mass, like americium but it would be expensive as all fuck.

The Davy Crockett gives a good idea of what can be achieved with plutonium/uranium since a nuclear weapon is, in effect, a reactor designed to operate very quickly. However, for controlled fission, you need to go larger with more material and neutron reflectors since nuclear weapons use explosive compression to achieve criticality.
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>>22855835
Don't care, I now have a britbong reading through a 3500 page text he doesn't understand to try to find a reference that doesn't exist.
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>>22855903
So nuclear tanks then?
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>>22855907
Nice.
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>>22855899
The giant space based one right? Can't remember the name of it.
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>>22855907
i lol'd.
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>>22855908
Perhaps some sort of mega tank. A regular sized tank would be pushing it and you'd limit the crew to short missions to avoid radiation poisoning, thus defeating the greatest benefit of nuclear power (endurance).
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>>22855917
The solar system. Used thousands, or hundreds by the time of Stardust Memories due to improved computer control systems, of mirrors to reflect and focus the light of the sun for use as a weapon.
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>>22855907
I love you /k/.
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>>22855102
How much armor are you suggesting? The rise to such armor would just make the use of anti-materiel rifles even more popular on these supposed infantry.
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>>22855368
Wasn´t the military working on a energy harvesting device?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OiVOOjEOC0
That could elongate the battery life immensly so why not simply make exoskeletons more efficient and simply armor them.

It sounds way cheaper than surgical augmentations.
Sure they would get a HUD, a trackingdevice and most likely a killswitch implanted but the limbs are not feasable.
Just imagine an EMP hitting your cities and your supersoliders are suddenly cripples again because most units i their limbs were just fired.
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>>22855635
>streaming on dialup
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>>22856041
>EMP EMP EMP EMP

You act like those are so fucking common.
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>>22856063
He also had to walk 10 miles to and from school each day, uphill both ways.
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>>22856081
Barefoot, in the snow, with a boulder chained to his ankle, which ankle? Both ankles. So you show some god damn respect.
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>>22856064
Or that shielding against them isn't trivial and already a requirement for military electronics.
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>>22856129
is trivial*
I goofed.
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>>22855368
This, to some extent.

Why spend tons of money building a condom for poor sensitive little GI's when you can replace their entire body? Much more efficient, much cheaper, less parts of the soldier to break and id assume less bulky.

Id stop short of UGV armies though. While robotic technologies may reach the levels comparable to human abilities, i think it will be a long long way off from replicating human brains. Why not just work on making humans better?

Eventually, we can get to sorting out our simplistic frames and replace the outdated biology bit by bit, until our humanity is nothing more than a representation of our global identity to transcend primacy.
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I could see them used as a platform for a fire and forget system.

Take it where your going, step on out and run like hell.
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>>22856204
Shit, you know, that could almost be feasible.

As well as replacing the limbs...

Artificial heart? Check.
Blood-gas exchangers to replace lungs? Check.

All we need to do is figure out how to convert ATP (adenosine triphosphate, the body's direct source of energy) to actual electrical energy, and we could run all these motors and pumps and devices with the body's own blood supply and energy. No reactors or batteries needed.

>mfw looking around
>mfw that tech already exists

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/atp-powered-transistor-could-improve-human-machine-communication/
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>>22856245
>Imagine what it would be like if electronics operated like cells. The electronics could stay inside our bodies without batteries — all thanks to ATP. Improving communication at a localized level would improve biosensing and diagnostic tools. And computers would become more efficient if biological components made their way into transistors.

>Of course, prosthetic devices would benefit tremendously.
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>>22855873
>I listen to scientists whose job it is to determine and spread the truth to the fullest extent
BWAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAH

>ClimateGate.jpg
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>>22853973

demand to do PT in exoskeleton suit
sue military for robo descrimination when they don't let you
become SJW hero
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>>22856245
And this is why ironically, military funding will always indirectly benefit people to some extent.

We will get to the point of making humans so survivable that we will presumably lose the point of making war in the first place.

Assuming we don't tear ourselves down before then.
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>>22856264
>Of course, prosthetic devices would benefit tremendously.

We good old times after 9/11 now?
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>>22856063
You didn't stream back then, streaming didn't exist yet.

You spent the better part of a month trying to get a file downloaded in dozens of tiny pieces.
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>>22856294
You're god damn right.
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>>22853973
>/k/. When will the military field exoskeletons to soldiers and is there any heavily armored units in the military?
As of current technology, exoskeleton manufacturers can build exos that can carry everything that's needed.

The only problem everyone has is to create a power source that can make the exosuit viable.

Once that is solved, you can expect powersuits to be in the battlefield in massive numbers.
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>>22855727
>your life isn't worth half a mil easy
Do you even understand how much money governments put in their troops? Easily in the millions per soldier. It rises exponentially if they get injured and you have to pay for healthcare for the rest of their lives.
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>>22855789
>and no armor over the arms or chest, seriously what the fuck? The armor from Edge of Tomorrow was the same way.
But they had armor for the chest area in Edge of Tomorrow. They even had heavily armored types that are covered almost everywhere.
The EoT power armor was basically more for enhancing the soldier's ability than protecting them anyway. But they still had body armor underneath the armor too.
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>>22856358
Besides, doesn't modern doctrine champion not getting hit in the first place over surviving hits? mobility is what's important, to quote the trainer guy from Mechwarrior:Mercenaries, "In real combat, speed is life, you go slow, you die."
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>>22856338
If they're already paying millions with current gear, why make it even more expensive?
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>>22856401
If you can do the work of two soldiers with one then you save money in the long run.
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>>22856409
That's why they invented cars and tanks.
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>>22856064
>>22856129
The point about expenses still stands though.
They hold no advantage over a powered suit and are simply more expensive.
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>>22856418
You're already paying a gorrilion dollars for a powersuit, what's a few gorrilion dollars more for prosthetics and surgery?
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>>22856415
Tanks were invented to break the long stalemate that was trench warfare.
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>>22856415
Tanks don't do the work of infantry. They have entirely separate roles in combined arms.
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Hold on Im cumming.
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>>22854176
>Should've kept the novel ending though.
What was the novel ending?
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>>22856503
>tfw the suit isn't CG
>tfw i will never wear the exo-suit
Feels bad man
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>>22856503
Best movie this year, I reckon. I expected grimdark, got a refreshing and hilarious movie with good action.
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>>22856526
You'll also never be fun sized like Cruise is.
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>>22856526

the suit isn't CG?
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>>22856503
That movie was great. That behind the scenes video showed why. Nothing like real sets with real explosions.
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>>22856532
No.
They made 3 kinds of suits, I read about them:

1 was very realistic models, for the few main characters.

2 ware primitive models, for actors in background

3 3D version for back plan and several scenes
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>>22856532
Yes. Watch behind the scenes, Tom said the suit weight 8Kg without any attachment and 15 when it loaded with bunch of shit.
The scene when Rita spinning in midair and stab a mimic? It was real stunt. With cables of course
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>>22856532
Watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spD2KAgBH-s
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>>22856543
>>22856544
That's pretty fucking neat.
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>>22855836

Shitty suit design that requires you to be a superhuman to use it.
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>>22855903

Doesn't even need to be a reactor, it could also be an RTG of some sort. One kilogram of fresh Polonium-210 for example generates 140 kW and has a half-life of 138 days. But like with all nuclear fuel, they are highly radioactive and will be spread into the environment when containment fails - which will happen at some point in war. Plus it makes an excellent murder weapon in minute amounts.

There's a reason these things don't exist even when they could.
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>>22855263
Just so you know, at top RPM a minigun creates a constant recoil force of 300 pounds or more. There is no way they can be hand held or exoskeleton mounted without drastic RPM reduction. Triple barreled gas operated machine guns, maybe? Miniguns, nah.
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>>22855637
>2100
no shotgun magazines.
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>>22854901
>ERA on a human

that sounds... safe.
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>>22857762
I'm trying to figure out are they trying to stop an RPG-7?
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>>22857843
im thinking of 40mm HEAT or HEDP
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>>22856503
Nobody respects the classics. Fucking Starship Troopers' Mobile Infantry. Fuck the movie, the book would make your manhood quiver with the practical details of the suits. Heinlein was ahead of his time, as were most great sci-fi authors.
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>>22853973
Yes please
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>>22856634
On the other hand, I heard that they never made a single suit of clone trooper armor for the Star Wars prequels. It was all CG.
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>>22855545
Holy dog shit, this article talks about Lockheed Martin supposedly demonstrating a lighter version that can go for an 8 hour march on a single battery charge:
http://www.wired.com/2012/05/combat-exoskeleton-afghanistan/
If the capabilities that this anon >>22855641 estimates are true, how would a military without powered exoskeletons be able to counter a military that has powered exoskeletons?
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>>22859058
Packmules, more dudes, high capacity assault vehicles (trucks), whatever. Basically, it's an advantage, but it's not a huge paradigm shift. When it comes to armor, first off I wouldn't run more armor than you can comfortably wear already as the thing could still lose power at an inopportune moment. Besides that, it's just as hot and bulky, etc. Also wearing a facemask still sucks and the exoskeleton supports you either at the legs or at the legs and arms, but not the neck, so it's not going to make any less when it comes to armored helmets and faceplates. Finally, say we do get to a point where everyone is running armored plates all over with full coverage power armor - saboted armor piercing small arms munitions are going to get a lot more popular.
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>>22859058

>how would a military without ridiculously huge manly men soldiers be able to counter a military filled to the brim he-man woman haters?

I don't imagine it'd be particularly hard honestly, hell even the most primitive of stuff would start to become increasingly effective.

You drop a fully loaded dude in an exoskeleton into a hole and he's fucked, sure he can walk and run around, but he sure as shit won't be able to climb.
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>>22855743
Well, wind mills use rare earth materials like neodymium, and the production of solar panels isn't exactly as clean as they want you to believe.
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>>22858114
>image
Shit, does anyone have a link to that guy's Google Document? He uploaded a draft of a couple of chapters. It was pretty neat, but I lost the link.
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you could put your heavy machine gun teams in exoskeletons and they could carry their M2/mk19 dismounted. Allowing the quick deployment and redeployment of heavy weapons in places you can't get a vehicle or don't want to put a vehicle.

you could do this with in 5 years. As micro turbines that can burn JP8 and provide the power needed and be small enough already exist. A single tank of fuel could provide hours of endurance if paired with a small battery. so the turbine can be switched off during lower power times. Like when the heavy weapons team is sitting in their position.
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>>22859124
>When it comes to armor, first off I wouldn't run more armor than you can comfortably wear already as the thing could still lose power at an inopportune moment.
Simply make the additional armor able to quickly detach, similar to how they have the quick detach for current vests when soldiers need medical attention.
>Besides that, it's just as hot and bulky
If they can double the weight that soldiers can carry, I'm sure that they would use a couple pounds on a climate control system, they already have something similar for soldiers who sit in armored vehicles.
>Also wearing a facemask still sucks and the exoskeleton supports you either at the legs or at the legs and arms, but not the neck, so it's not going to make any less when it comes to armored helmets and faceplates.
I remember seeing something a while back that supported the soldiers helmet on their back and still allowed for a full range of head motion so that soldiers could carry heavy helmets.
>saboted armor piercing small arms munitions are going to get a lot more popular.
Saboted ammunition and battle rifles, currently the US military has armor that can stop tungsten core 7.62x51mm (M993 if you are interested) but it isn't worth the extra weight to issue it to soldiers. Only problem is that saboted ammunition is crazy expensive ($3-$4 per round, regular tungsten core 7.62x51mm M993 costs the government $2.61 per round), is normally less accurate, and can't be used with muzzle brakes (due to the possibility of getting caught in them). Who knows, poorer countries might resort to issuing larger caliber conventional AP ammunition due to cost.

>>22859251
That would have to be a deep fucking pit, they would probably have to tie a rope to the guy and have other guys pull him out.
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>>22859492
>If they can double the weight that soldiers can carry, I'm sure that they would use a couple pounds on a climate control system, they already have something similar for soldiers who sit in armored vehicles.
Here is one for soldiers that weighs 2.64 lbs and can operate for 8 hours on a single charge:
http://www.armyrecognition.com/united_kingdom_military_army_equipment_fr/active_cooling_vest_military_crew_armoured_vehicles_tanks_gore_technical_data_sheet_description_uk.html
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>>22859401
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gr1HMQ3h-Ya_mcC9U2XnTPxJiL7n9eeuwEj25QGF69U/edit?usp=sharing
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>>22856277
This is why everyone hates you.

>>22855756
>>22859367
Sure as shit is a lot cleaner than natural gasses and oil.
Especially since a lot of those species are being rendered extinct anyway.
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>>22856520
>What was the novel ending?
He had to kill her.
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By the time we have technology for good exoskeletons, we will also have the technology for even better drones.

In which case, there's no point in outfitting solders with exoskeletons, since all warfare will be with drones anyways.
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>>22859650
>replacing infantry with drones
Yes I love wrapping technology and resources in a bow and handing them to my enemies. Oh you broke through our lines how completely unexpected well I hope my anus is lubed to your specific requirements gentlemen
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7.62 doesn't penetrate any better than 5.56.

Consequently, the rational reaction to more armored troops is to spray more bullets, because it's impractical to be a perfect bulletproof cocoon, not to use bigger guns.

The other benefit of this approach is that shooting more bullets is more useful vs the unarmored, shooting bigger bullets isn't.

So expect exoskeletons to carry 40 or 50 pounds of plates, instead of 20, or 200; and expect the new upgunned weapon to be an ordinary GPMG or SAW, not an antimaterial rifle.
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>>22855756
>solar farms destroy da insects!
Over blown
>Windfarms massacre birds!
Every piece of evidence and research study says no, and turbines are moving too slow for them to get hurt you dumb shit.
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>>22859689
Seeing as we aren't going to be confined to Earth for another century anyway, what does it matter? Once we know longer need this environment, what purpose does it serve?

Sure it looks pretty, but in the grand scheme of things the only product of Earth of any relevance is humanity.
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>>22859591
Shit nigger I even found that document in my history. It never occurred to me he named it Fish 'n Chips.
Thanks anyway.
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>>22859650
Drones can't chat up village elders, pat kids on the head, or do any number of basic, versatile infantry tasks.

You're probably thinking, "well we'll use drones for the grunt jobs, but have humans on-site to do the human stuff" and that's where exoskeletons come in.
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>>22859679
If by handing to enemies you mean shooting in the face, then you're right.
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>>22859737
Ok. Your Terminatorbot2000 is standing on the streets of Iraq 2.0, scanning for insurgents.

A 12 year old runs by with a bucket of paint and throws it on your optics. Wat do?
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>>22855415
Yeah, but in NGE the armor is only there to restrict the EVAs from going full bananas.
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>>22859737
Unless you want to go full retard superfuture projection on me, drones lack anything close to the situational awareness of a soldier or the versatility. Without human support a drone on the ground is basically pointless and helpless.
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>>22859770
Same thing a US solder would do, wipe paint off eyes and open fire on everything.
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>>22859770
>Ok you are standing on the streets of Iraq 2.0
> a 12 year old runs by and throws paint in your face. Wat do?

Your argument is dumb and you should feel dumb. Choose a different analogy.
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>>22858114
RIP in rest the plastic age
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>>22859824
>humans
>see it
>dude there's a kid running at us with a can of paint
>trip him or something idk

>bots
>probably don't see it
>if they do there's literally nothing they can do but shoot the kid
>get splattered in paint
>have no way to deal with it
>infantry has to clean up the mess anyway
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>>22859736
Drones can talk to sandnigger village elders in a language they understand

Drones can pat sandniglets on the head in just the right way

It sound something like this;

>weeeooow
>Boom
>BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM
>allah snBOOM
>BOOMBOOMBOOM
>BOOM
>"hyuck hyuck look at those niggers go"
>BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM
>BOOM

And so the west will bring peace and quiet to the whole god damn middle east.

Fucking sandmonkeys only understand violence.
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>>22859853
>cops sees it
>DROP THE WEAPON
>mag dumps on kid
>land of the free
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>>22859770
>2014
>thinking optics is the only sensor
>ishiggydiggydo
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>>22859853
>Implying an expensive drone wouldn't have panoramic optics
>Implying optics aren't protected and equipped with wipers and sprayers
>Implying that optics are the only sensor system that can be equipped

I'm glad your not an engineer. The level of creativity you possess would find you out of a job in any field.

Just so you know i think completely replacing infantry units with drones is a dumb idea too, but your argument against them is terrible.
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>>22859853
>replying to myself
>2014
You can even expand this. No reason to stop there. Every sandnigger in east durkafuck can tell their children and wives to tip over, block, dismantle, throw shit on and generally fuck with any piece of western dogshit they see. What the fuck are you going to do about it? Nothing because killing unarmed women and children to save bolts and wires is political suicide.
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>>22860045
>I think your argument is dumb because my assumptions aren't based on any reality that exists
dem panoramic views, dem wipers
Oh what's that you say we should make them higher tech and more expensive? Great idea. The durkastan tech market will love it.
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>>22859713
How are you gonna process all the hydrogen or fissionable/fusible material or whatever the hell future energy source we'll be using to get off the planet?

Environment be damned, it's still much easier to develop these technologies while we still have all this free easy energy available in the ground instead of once it's finally depleted.
Not to mention producing plastics/composites/etc is often simpler via refining existing hydrocarbon stock rather than building it from the ground up or from biological processes/materials.
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>>22855872
>eventually
More like immediately without ceramic re-entry shielding.
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>>22856814
A kg of polonium-210 also costs as much as the tank itself and can't be switched off. No amount of thermal camoflage is going to hide 140 kW thermal.

Also, RTGs aren't that efficient and that 140kW is only 190 horsepower, not much for a tank to work off, even if you have 100% efficient conversion. Finally, that will decrease as you progress along the half life so you'd need double that to even reach 138 days and that would be fresh isotope, imagine the logistics of making that abominable amount of radioisotope for all your tanks and getting it to the front line.
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>>22854106

You will never replace a lift truck with something like that.
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>>22859682
>7.62 doesn't penetrate any better than 5.56.
False, 7.62x51mm M993 tungsten core will penetrate 17mm of RHA while 5.56x45mm M995 tungsten core will only penetrate 12mm of RHA (similar to the 10.7mm of .30-06 M2 AP steel core).

>hold still while I shoot you in the same place repeatedly
Unlikely, more likely would be what these posters here: >>22859124 and here: >>22859492 were saying, battle rifles firing saboted armor piercing bullets, keep in mind the the current Lockheed Martin HULC allows soldiers to sprint at 10 MPH while carrying 200 lbs of gear, so soldiers in powered exoskeletons are going to be quite mobile, not clumsily shambling around the battlefield.

>>22859878
Edgy.

>>22860410
This, forklifts would be much more convenient than power loaders, some people don't realize that forklifts drive around with loads a lot, and walking more than 100 yards or more in a power loader would be much less convenient than driving the same distance in a forklift, not to mention you wouldn't be able to carry as large of a load as you wouldn't be able to turn your body slightly to look behind while walking backwards you as easily as on a forklift. I also don't see it doing much better in small spaces than a standing drive forklift. Only thing I see replacing forklifts is self driving forklifts.
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>>22859770
>all imaging sensors use light
>not 3d mapping that doesn't require optics
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>>22854109
literly just have a cold system at the neck and youll stay cool. all blood in your body passes through your neck every 43 secconds or something. cool that down, and your cool..
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>>22860813
I always thought it was the shoulders, but the neck makes more sense, with all the veins and arteries and stuff.
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>>22860098
Supposedly the moons of Jupiter and Saturn are several times richer in any element we could possibly need. We're really fortunate to have been born into such a loaded solar system, we don't really need Earth at all once we start colonizing other moons and planets and constructing free space colonies.
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>>22862279
Really?
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>>22855931
Yeah, good luck deploying those
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>>22856503
I preferred Oblivion of last year
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>>22854020
You have to be on crack. Exoskeletons are <50 years from frontline combat.
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>>22864752
I would put it closer to <30 years, especially with the US military looking at them right now for special forces (TALOS armor) and want a field testable prototype by 2018.
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get 5 guys in exoskeletons. each one carries a big ammo can of .50bmg or linked 40mm grendaes on their back. They all have M4s mounted to a forearm. One guy carries the tripod. one guy carries the weapon. one guy carries spare barrels(m2 only). one guy carries a shovel and sand bags.

You now have a mobile heavy weapons team that is faster then guys on foot and can get to places you can't/won't put a vehicle.
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>>22855931

Have fun being track disabled with one thing of anti-tank
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>Thread is surrounded by Edge of Tomorrow
>No elysium
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>>22866526
District 9 guy was great in that. Maybe the only great part of that movie. The rest was pretty meh.
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>>22865108
>looks at concepts and prototypes

We halo nao
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>>22855427
You'd have to reinforce basically the entire human body to prevent these over torqued limbs from wrenching themselves loose or kinking your spinal column into a pile of spaghetti.

And enjoy consuming 20,000 calories per day to feed these limbs, so you'd have to have a new digestive system too, one that is much more efficient. This is before we go into the psychological effects this would likely cause.

Tl;dr ur a faget
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>>22866526
the only problem with the Elysium exos is that they still use the human skeleton and muscles to bear loads.

you do anything super human and you'll wreck your body hard.
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>>22866834
Nah they are just light load exos, for max that is
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>>22866526
Elysium was pretty cool with all the equipment I have seen in it
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>>22866598
>>22866526
>same actor from District 9
>he's also South African in Elysium
>Elysium takes place around 2100, after the events portrayed in District 9
>aliens promise to turn Wikis back to human form, but plan is foiled and the alien mothership leaves
>years, possibly decades pass before the alien mothership returns to pick Wikis up to bring him to their home planet to be healed
>wife has moved on and died before Wikis is turned human again due to time spent waiting and possibly due to space travel at or near light speed
>aliens return Wikis to the state he was in before the transformation (late 20's, early 30's) possibly ages at a reduced rate due to treatment
>still infamous, Wikis moves to America and changes his name
>in Elysium Kruger is violent and angry, perhaps because being an alien altered his psyche, or he is just pissed his family moved on and he outlived them
>some alien tech knowledge is gained, allowing earth to build Elysium, robots, and weapons seen in Elysium
>mfw Wikis and Kruger are the same fucking person
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>>22862377
I read an article (can't remember who published it) that said that there's a ton of plastic, sulfur, carbon and other useful materials on Callisto, Europa, Ganymede and Io, and that the methane oceans and helium lakes on Titan and Enceladus can be used for fuel and whatnot.
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>>22867190
This could be plausible but would he just have tried to visit his wife and even send a message to her though time?
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for some reason, i can see these being used for load toads... "sure i'll move that 1,000 pound bunker buster."
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>>22867366
He did "visit" his wife when he was an alien he made those little trash trinkets and left them for her. He probably wouldn't want his wife to see him as an alien.

As far as the relativity is concerned, depending on how fast the alien ship traveled, what may have been a week for Wikis may have been decades on earth. Perhaps he wasn't aware of that, or already accepted that she had moved on before he even departed. Also I can't remember for certain if Wikis had to just go back to the mothership for treatment or to their home planet. Either way, his aging rate may have been reduced so he's still relatively young in Elysium
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>>22856297
>split .RARs
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>>22867402
That's the current objective they're shooting for.
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>>22857762
>>ERA on a human
It's for tactical hugs
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>>22867507
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Fuck it, robots times.
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>>22867656
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>>22867620
wasn't he the guy with tactical scissors?
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>>22854020
In 500 years military will not need exoskeletons for combat roles because AI drones everywhere. No need to put human into harm way anymore. Exoskeletons have 50-100 years window to exist before AI.
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>>22854127
watched that yesterday. Was impressed, and can definately see exoskeletons being used.

However I did cringe when Tom Cruise asked for three more "clips" of 5.56. /k/ is rubbing off on me
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>>22855555
quints or not, you shut your fucking mouth
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>>22858114
this was awesome and fantastic and was better than most war stories that are published for the general public. It was just so... gritty.
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>>22871409
Yeah but
>Jamming
>AI malfunctions and limitations
>Ethical issues of machines that are as smart as humans but not given human rights
>Hacking
>Chaff
>Situational awareness
>Operating and making decisions independent of command.
>Lag
>Tracking signals to controllers
>Social response to a human as compared to that of a machine
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>>22853973
I feel like soldiers in exo suits will be like modern flame thrower carriers.

Sure they'll be scary as fuck and probably kill a shit ton of people but their life expectancies will be short due to the fact that they are so dangerous.

Other than moving equipment they're basically going to be the same thing.
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>>22874004
Except unlike flamethrower carriers they will have much more armor than the average soldier, this anon >>22855641 talks about what the armor coverage could be like, combined with how they could run just as fast if not faster than normal soldiers (talked about multiple times in this thread with the Lockheed Martin HULC being able to sprint at 10 mph with a 200 lb load) the exo soldiers would likely have a higher life expectancy than normal soldiers.
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