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someone post the pastebin

https://pastebin.com/ML5gMMY9

>>17366108
do any of you actually gamble or do yall just play for fun

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>Hey this looks like a good hand for an ittsuu hon'issou
>Disconnect
>Reconnect
>See this

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>>17368069
>fun
That's not how mahjong works my friend.

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>>17368069

>>17368069
I gamble my time and sanity on Tenhou.

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Why did I start with this shit? It doesn't end well anyway obviously

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USA only

IORMC Qualifier info (incl Canada):
https://narma.squarespace.com/news/2017/6/12/iormc-uscanada-qualification-schedule

Registration:
https://narma.squarespace.com/news/2017/7/5/dhllscwydzh6ba544rr56wbqepn89j

Anyone not of the USA/Canada, talk to your national organization.

>>17372801
Is there any list of country participating this year?
>tfw beaner

>>17372909
It's up to the Koreans, who run the real thing.

>>17372191
She won with a hatsu, right? Not a nan?

>>17375041
Yeah, one of the winds is actually a dragon.

What's the best solo mahjong game for PC?
It's for my mom so if possible no big BOOBIES and characters titles with numbers.
I have Saikyo no Mahjong 3D so far but the characters titles have no numbers and I think it's weird you can see other players hand just by moving the camera.

>>17375584
four winds is pretty good. the UI is a bit cluttered but it offers all sorts of mahjong variants and numbered tiles.

>>17375813
>four winds
doesn't work with Win10.

>>17376214
their site claims the latest version does. dunno really, seems like the best mom-friendly program.

does it have to be windows? plenty of good android options

>>17376875
shit is insane. good thing kamicha and toimen were throwing out tiles so freely

>>17376875
I think I came a little there

>>17376875
It never gets old

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>tfw the only man I need in my life is the nagashi mangan.

Only my second one in five years of playing. Better and rarer than a yakuman to be quite honest with you.

Because I've mastered my tile efficiency
My game knowledge is amazing.
I know everything about the meta.
I know every suji.
I know pretty much everything on how to end the game
I know what to build, who to focus, when to defend, I know wher-who- I know everything about mahjong
I know how to out teyaku and how to out mawashi. I know how to fucking out match, out play, out defend, out win, out EVERYTHING on somebody
I just got fucking 4dan to 6dan in two weeks, all tokujou, and you're going to sit there and say I ain't got better? What are you talking about

>>17379001
Post stats

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Wow, this was utterly disgusting to watch.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017072602gm-0009-0000-58d5536f&tw=3&ts=7

>1000 pts in S4
>still take 1st

>>17379001
good for you, I'm having the opposite happen as it seems I'm getting worse with every game.

but hey, we all have our paths.

>>17376875
Managed to fish the url out of the video: http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2008121721gm-00c1-0000-fcadb0d7&tw=3&ts=5

>>17379001
I think people seriously overestimate how much skill matters in online mahjong. You will get an unlucky streak, you will demote, and there will be nothing you can do about it.

>>17381351
I agree to an extent, but lets not start that fucking debate again

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>>17368069

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>>17381351
Oh, a lot of psychological factors play into the game too.

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Post your stats

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>>17382445
Holy fuck anon that's genuinely impressive. Not even my R has dipped below 1000

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>>17382445

Reminder that you can buy Tenhou premium access from Google Play using Tenhou app.
You have no excuse not to have one now.

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>>17382445
Haven't played lately after a losing streak.

>>17382667
>paying when you can pirate it for free

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>>17382445
>play this many games
>still shit

Yea, fuck my life.

Also, I've made it to 5dan three times before, with general ease. For some reason, it's hard as fuck right now. Mahjong can make one hate oneself.

>>17381351
this stupidity

>>17382197
Nobody will try to read how other people play over the course of a single match. The only psychological factors you can control are your own.

The only skill necessary is the base, what gets you into tokujou. After that, it might as well not make any difference.

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>>17382445
I really only play for fun though

>>17384164
I wish I was you...

>>17384811
No, you don't

>>17387690
You play for fun. We don't even know what's fun anymore.

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finally back to 2dan on my newer account. Hoping to get to tokujou by september~

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http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017072815gm-0009-0000-bfac56e5&tw=2&ts=3

>>17388256
>feeds all three dragons
>and then deals in immediately
I'd think it was fake and a teamed up thing but it's not hard to think people might actually be that dumb.

>>17388276
I've seen it happen. it's especially frustrating when you're first and someone deals in chasing some crap nomi hand and you have to settle for 2nd or even 3rd

>>17388276
I asked for some gameplay analysis a while back where I did the same thing. Went back to get the link.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017061000gm-0009-0000-8fe07e3a&tw=1&ts=1
Looking back, my efficiency really was all over the place. It's a miracle I could do what I did.

>>17388276
Well, it's ippan.

is there a riichi app for iOS?

>>17389446
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/%E9%BA%BB%E9%9B%80-%E5%A4%A9%E6%A5%B5%E7%89%8C-by-hangame/id448114302?mt=8

>one of those games where 3 players are ib the 30k range and 4th is putzing around at 8k
>riichi with 3 red 5s. 4-7pinzu wait, 7pin is the dora
>suji trap 1pin as riichi indicator
>4th place decides to chase my riichi, but hesitates on his discard

I felt bad for the guy since I knew he was telling himself "I have to risk it... what are the odds of him waiting on 4pin!?", "I have to win a hand... at least one hand!", "I cant be 4th again!"

turns out he dealt into me and I had 3 ura dora. busted him right there and took 1st.

doesn't feel that great tho...

>>17390150
That's not what a suji trap is at all. That's a half-suji which is barely any different than a regular dangerous tile, especially when you have dora as a winning tile. A suji trap would be a 1p wait when you had dumped the 4p earlier, the whole point of why suji traps as designed is that it's impossible to have a ryanmen wait, so it looks a lot less likely.

It's not like he had a choice though being down 20k though.

>>17390150
Suji trap on 1p would be, for instance, having tanki wait on 1p but having discarded 4p and 7p earlier.

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>lead in East 4 oorasu
>call riichi
>temporarily go to 2nd
>someone else wins
>result

I forgot about Sega rules, where 30K isn't a requirement

>>17393265
which game is that?

>>17393611
Sega Mahjong. Here is a guide to it:

https://sites.google.com/site/mjnetguide/home

It's a nice break playing here from the Tenhou grind.

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>tfw when 1st place deals into your hand in orasu

>>17393998
What a dumbass

>>17393998
Could have kept his tenpai by dealing the safe 4p. Really fucked up.

Also
>That feel when when

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>>17382445
Much better than last month at least. Once I get to 800 or 900 points I'm going back to losing I guess.

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>>17382445
Month started out terribly but I managed to make it almost back to even.

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I'm starting to play more regularly and since I use incognito for everything, I pull out my paifu after every game and tag on my placing.

How do you guys store your games?

>>17397248
上級 ... more like 下段 xd

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>>17382445
uneventful

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played my very first tournament session on tenhou today! we played 4 hanchan for the IORMC qualifier and I ended up placing 3rd out of 16 overall! it was a lot of fun to take part in & i cant wait for the next qualifier session! i havent had that much fun playing mahjong since 桃色大戦ぱいろん!

>>17398054
The US only has 16 people trying to qualify?

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Started the month with a sequence of undeserved wins, ended with a sequence of undeserved losses.

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what's the craziest win you ever had?

Anyone here going to the WRC?

>>17403544
I was asked to, but it's too expensive for me

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>>17403332
I just witnessed this. I feel sorry for him

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>>17403622
Okay, looking at it as early as this, they were both fucked anyway

>>17403646
With the current placing, the last haku should have never come out of kamicha's hand and since toimen is 2 dan, he would hold on to the haku. Shimocha's hand should have been capped at haneman. A direct hit would put kamicha in 2nd with a difference of about 5000 points, mangan range. Kamicha dealing in would not have been the end of the world.
Yet, he went ahead and confirmed a daisangen. As long as the hand completes, he's going to be set back by at least 24000 points, more the haneman it should have been.
I know it's ippan but god damn. He doesn't even have a yaku.
You as well. What are you trying to pull against a daisangen? At least Toimen is piecing together a toi toi to nail second. Are you trying to open an ittsuu?

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>>17404351
Pray to the goddess of luck. Well not that I climb to any decent position there anyway. If kamicha and toimen had played decently, I could've had a nice time, as they would've locked each other out.
I guess kamicha didn't expect him to have this many dragons that early in the game. Then getting exactly the man tiles shimocha needs into his hand is even crueler, really.
I'm more or less just trying to assemble winning hands atm.

so today i play 2 games normally, cant make any hands, get 4th and 3rd. play again and get to south1, have crud hand and keep drawing the set i discarded, toimen riichi with dora live-- so fed up with the game i cut 5s and toimen had no sou discards, it passes and i immediately draw into a good hand and get two mangan back to back, entire game goes well and i end up like +65
if i believed in a flow, then by cutting two dangerous tiles recklessly was enough to change the flow completely in my favor

the 2 previous games i didnt deal into anyone nor could i make any hands all game, terrible draws and terrible hands

its like tenhou is like --oh is that an unsafe cut against a riichi? well it passed so congrats the game is now in your favor the wheel has turned

i wish shit like this wouldnt happen. it feels like its toying with my logic

>>17405087
Dangerous discards are fun, I probably deal in more than I should because I like to press my luck like that. I don't get any magic flow afterwards though.

>>17403332
>the craziest win
Define craziest win. I probably have so many of them.

>ron into guy
>always gets ura dora, sometimes two
>win with riichi and ankan
>not a single kan or ura dora
Getting real tired of your shit tenhou.

>>17405741
right there with you brah

>>17403622
>Dealt all three of the dragons
>Opened his hand without any taku
>dealt into the yakuman he created himself

Serves him right.

>>17405741
>Have a 24 sided waits with approaching-infinity outs left
>Call riichi
>Some fuckface with a tanki hell wait chaces your riichi with his own
>You deal in to his riichi ippatsu with 4 ura and 3 red fives and probably two yakuman as well

This is how my life goes.

Just finished Akagi and I want to get into Mahjong because the tiles look so aesthetic

How many thousand hours would you estimate one needs to git gud or at least mediocre?

>>17406449
About 5 hours to learn the basic rules, 10 or 15 to learn most of the important rules.

To get good? Never.

>>17406449
It takes about an hour or so to "git gud," depending on how long it takes to install git on your computer.

Final arc chapter just released. Uradora too OP.

>>17407703
Good shit. Parlor no. 3 next?

>>17406449
500 matches if you do it properly and never if you don't.

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>>17412188
>never if you don't
Are you some kind of heathen?

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fuck you: the boss.

>>17412315
A lot of people never play the game properly and therefore never get good, I just answered the question seriously.

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>>17406449
You'd better read me before getting into it.

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I am not getting 4th place dude

noob here, what's the best strat for going out with a Riichi Ippatsu?

>>17416129
Sacrifice a goat. Or multi-sided waits.

>>17416129
It's a pure luck yaku, best chance for ippatsu is either a really good wait or something that makes the opponents think it's safe. Suji traps or tanki waits on valueless wind tiles are designed for ippatsu.

>>17414977
What's that title? Google doesn't help.

>>17416189
Thanks, I'm just playing against 3 computers though so I don't think their strategy is very good

Would it be a good idea to go for a No-Points hand in order to get the Riichi Ippatsu?

>>17416249
yes. if possible add tanyao (all simples) and you've created a potential "mentapin" (menzen tsumo, tanyao, pinfu combo) that is a dora or two away from a mangan (8000 points)

>>17416280
woahhh that sounds complicated as fuck. total word salad

>>17416289
it sounds intimidating because you aren't used to the jargon yet. sorry to toss so many at you. that said, pursuing the "no point" hand is a good strategy for beginners. you can use tile efficiency to speed up that hand as well

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>>17416249

>>17416551
lmao that's me

>>17416249
メンタンピン all day

How do you "fold" in mahjong?
How do you play defensively?

For those that haven't checked lately, there have been a few new posts on https://mahjong.guide in the past few weeks with more on the way.

>>17416683
http://justanotherjapanesemahjongblog.blogspot.com/p/list-of-defence-theory-articles.html

There's also a chapter on it in the big guide.
http://riichi.dynaman.net/
Just use the parts you need until you have a few hundred games and are familiar with the environment, the yaku, and have been in Joukyuu for a while.

>>17416683
By discarding safe tiles, for example tiles that could result in furiten for player in riichi state. The most dangerous are usually round\position winds, dragons, tiles around dora, also don't fuel obvious honnitsu hand (player discards only man and pin but keeps sou and bonus tiles).

welcome, /v/ bros

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>>17366108
I do love Akagi too much. I know people complain about the elitists who like this type of Anime, but it really is so enjoyable to me, while so much other anime isn't.
Kaiji is great in both seasons too, but not really much else can get me the same feeling as Fukumoto-sama

>>17417387
he keep cheating against him.

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>>17416683
>How do you "fold" in mahjong?
>How do you play defensively?
You generally abandon your hope of getting tenpai, in exchange for avoiding other player's hands. In other words, you don't drop what they want. Then live to fight in the next hand.

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Do people still play on Jan Ryu Mon?

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>>17417574

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>>17419590

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Chessfag here, but I also played Othello, Go, basically most normal things.

Never really got into this, and seeing never bothered to dig into it my entire life, even with seeing the game in play. Is the game worth investing time into as a tard?

>>17419953
>Is the game worth investing time into as a tard?
Easily, yes.

>>17419953
Anyone with luck can sweep the strongest players off their feet. I'm guessing there's little luck involved in chess so that may put you off.
If that's cool with you and you can get past the rules then yes, mahjong will be worth it.

>>17416551
>first yakuman get isn't just after "learn about yaku"

>>17422138
Do you not understand jokes?

>>17416214
Shinohayu

>last round
>I'm 3rd place
>4th place guy calls Ron on 2nd place guy
>2nd place falls to 3rd and I move up to 2nd
>4th place guy is still 4th
based retardbro

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>>17422234
You didn't get my actual joke.
The joke is that beginner's luck gives you yakuman as soon as you learn about yaku.

>someone double-riichi's
>I deal in within 3 turns
>every time

in vacuum situations where there's no way to defend effectively, my luck always turns to shit

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>>17422478
I love it when this happens and I go from a close second to first, all thanks to the guy in last place.
Even better if they are in negative points

>>17424214
The most fun is when 4th calls ron on someone and it's too cheap a hand to get out of 4th.

>>17423957
>considers suuankou as toitoi
the madman

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S4
2nd place
Riichi or dama?

>>17425520
Tough call, but a tsumo of the 4p makes sanshoku for a win so I'd go for some delicious free sex and hit the button.

As a 1 Kyuu though you instariichi without even thinking.

>>17425520
>aim for takame 4han that can't get you to 1st unless it's direct hit
>or aim for 3han, but with chances of takame, ippatsumo or uradora

>>17425520
Riichi.

Even if you can hit dealer on a 4s discard, you are still 100 points off from passing him with a 7700 point hit so 1st is impossible with dama. A haneman tsumo will however get you a win.

Also you're 1kyu so who the fuck cares about last place avoidance.

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>>17425576
>>17425583
>>17425591
（*/∇＼*）

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>>17425642

>>17425520
Dama. Dropping a riichi stick will only get you closer to last place. They're probably gunning for a fast hand, but the shimocha could be using the 1m dora in his hand if he's going for a chanta or junchan. Besides, there are little chances of anyone dropping a 4s against your riichi. I'd rather take a safe 2nd place than risk dropping to fourth.

>>17425937
>I'd rather take a safe 2nd place than risk dropping to fourth.
That being said, though, I just had this really dumb game where I did reckless shit and got heavily rewarded.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017080512gm-0029-0000-1eda4760&tw=1&ts=6
Look at this round and the ones two turns later. I could almost hear their frustration over the internet.

let's play!

2:0

http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447

3:0

>>17425520
I'd go for a riichi. Someone could have a 1-4m wait though I guess.

>>17425520
Riichi pinfu dora (with shot at sanshoku).

Of course you riichi that. Haneman with tsumo.

>>17425642
>>17426447
Oh god, you wasted that hand.

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>>17425520

>>17426518
Yea, point being. There are times, when you just fucking go. That was a clear case.

3:0

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There goes my luck for the rest of the week!

>>17430870
If it wasn't a red 5s, what would have been the right course of action?

>>17430993
Accept your fate of losing because shimocha has the superior wait.

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how do I get better at defense? Any important pointers I should know?

>>17431022
Don't be Shizuno

>>17431022
I can't help as my concept of defense doesn't go much beyond trying to drop safe tiles against riichi players. I think the Arcturus wiki has some information on the topic though.

>>17431022
What's defense?

>>17431022
It's in the big book. Read the chapter on it.

riichi.dynaman.net

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I almost managed to pull off dealing into double yakuman twice in the last month.

>>17431022
>how do I get better at defense?
It's all in the reading of the discard piles. Then apply things like suji, kabe, and general tile counting. From there, you take your best guesses.

>>17430870
>score baiman
>use up luck

You need a bigger luck bucket

>>17366108
Who is Fukumoto-sama?

>>17431880
What is Google?

>>17431914
You don't know what Google is? Pfft, this guy.

>>17431847
I scored a mangan hand that was amplified by luck, if anything

How do you check the list of who's in the lobby in L7447? I forgot it.

>>17432097
/w

>>17432103
Thanks m8.

Ive been breakingeven for too long. I need a good ol ippan-style winning streak

>>17441048
I was on a 21 streak of breaking even until a few 4th place matches dropped me back to 1kyuu. I flipped through the riichi book and topped the immediate next game.
You're probably stronger than me so there's less to gain from rereading but flipping through the book does help to ease tilt. Even if you've read it from cover to cover before, refreshing concepts and the winning mindset stops you from going too wild.

Anybody else here losing their motivation to improve? I feel like I've reached my ceiling in this game.

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>>17441429
I didn't feel like I'd hit a ceiling, per se, but I did feel like I didn't know what more I could do to improve after having read all the English strategy material that was available at the time. If you've read it all, then try reading some Japanese strategy books.

>>17441429
I feel so too often but it has never been the truth.

Sup weebkeks, long time poker player here, I consider it to be a game of 50% luck and 50% skill, how would you say mahjong compares?

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>>17441906
90% luck
10% skill

>>17441906
depends: if you mean getting first, I would say you need at least 50% luck, while if it's just not getting last you still need at least 20% luck to not get fucked by a tsumo or a yakuman in S4

>>17441906
I would say it requires slightly more skill than poker, so probably around 60%-70% skill

>>17442024
This. Not losing needs skill, winning needs luck.

>>17441906
There's a very steep learning curve so that an inexperienced player is highly unlikely to win against experienced players. Once you've learned all the rules and can use some basic strategies, it becomes much more luck based. Really though, I find the biggest factor is mental state - if I'm despairing due to being on a losing streak I take way more risks and make poor players and am extremely likely to lose whereas if I am focused and encouraged I have a high chance of winning, without having to use any advanced strategies.

>>17442068
>Once you've learned all the rules and can use some basic strategies, it becomes much more luck based
Well its sort of true for all games with luck element isnt it? Its not about your mastery, it's about the skill difference (edge). What I'm more intersted in is how much flexibility can a good player find in any particular match. Do people just determine the best odds at getting a hand and go for, or there's more to it?

>>17442177
there are many strategies and techniques that occur in a typical round. do you go for a quick win or a huge hand? do you open your hand or keep it closed? do you push or fold? do I go for a wide wait or an unusual one? do I declare ready or stay silent?

and much more

>>17442177
In texas hold'em, if a newbie gets a three-Ace on the flop and everyone folds immediately, the round ends and he walks away with only the ante, right?
In mahjong, the turn and river would continue and if the last ace appears, everyone pays up the value of a four-ace. In mahjong, each hand is worth a fixed value. While in poker, 3 skilled players folding would mean a four-ace is only worth 3 ante, mahjong fixes that a four-ace is worth $1000 and if the last ace appears everyone coughs up $333 regardless of if they folded or not.
Also, folding is a playstyle, not a game state. Poker folding means declaring you're out of the game and immune to any further losses. Mahjong folding means you are still in the game but now you're adopting a folding playstyle. If you don't fold properly, you could end up paying the $1000 all by yourself. Stronger players can fold better and so rarely pay by themselves. However if little timmy gets a four-ace every flop for the whole game, the strong players are going to lose money no matter how well they fold.
This may sound terribly harsh but keep in mind mahjong deals you 13 tiles and 14 makes a winning hand. Therefore, getting a "good" hand off the bat is rare and turning a mediocre hand into a "good" hand is where player strength comes in. Gameplaywise, mahjong is like 5-card draw but now there's 13 cards, you can only change one card at a time and it's 19 turns long. There is more information to process and patterns to spot which is where experience and technique comes in.

I know I'm not answering your questions exactly but hopefully you could understand the mood and flow of a game of mahjong.

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>kamicha has disconnected

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>>17441429
>mfw, forever tokujou

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Any general advice for a shit scrub?

>>17445141
Read strategy
Play more
Ask stronger players to review your games
Post stats

>>17445141
Basically >>17445176 along with analyzing each game you played, especially the moments where even in the game you realized you made a mistake.

I hope I can play tonight

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Can someone explain why I couldn't win off this hand? I thought if you had three triplets/quads it automatically counted as a yaku.

>>17445475
The three triplets you use for san ankou must be closed.

>>17445470
I guess not.
1:0 feels bad

>>17445475
Three quads does but three triplets must be closed.

>>17445475
>three triplets/quads it automatically counted as a yaku.
Sanankou requires those triplets and quads to be closed, even though the whole hand can be open.

Is there like a system to counting shanten and outs? As a complete beginner, I decided to try this app for practice: https://playDUTgoogleDUTcom/store/apps/details?id=jp.ne.oxsoft.qingyise&hl=ru
and apparently it expects me to calculate all within 15 seconds at level 1. Am I a brainlet or its actually hard as fuck?

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WWYD

Also, you will shit bricks

>>17445817
>3 9p visible
>3 1p visible
>All 1m are in anon's hand
M...masaka!?

>>17445822
Also, 3p. I'm not comfortable with pushing.

>>17445817
I dont want to live in a world where this shit actually happened...

>>17445768
There's no trick that I know off. You've got to be very familiar with the basic and complex waits then bulldoze through the hand and calculate the outs. Go to tenhounet/2 and try out the tenpai hands. The urekire of each discard is listed so you can compare them.

If you really are a complete beginner though, go read the mahjong book by daina chiba first. You'll benefit more out of that than practicing chinitsu outs.

>>17445817
1m

>>17445817
I'd kan and get into tenpai by drawing something awesome from the wall so I don't have to drop that dora hopefully. Somehow.

>>17445817
I've been looking at this for 10 minutes, what am I supposed to see?
I'd drop 1m since there's no way anyone's waiting on that unless it's kokushi musou and it's never kokushi musou.

>>17445475
>he felt for the open hand meme

>>17447250
if I was actually playing the game, agreed 100%. the odds are astronomically small

...but there's a reason we're being shown this, and it isn't a pinfu dora riichi hand.

>>17447312
Other than trying to win with a 1 han hand to counter an opponent, is there any reason to open your hand?

>>17447349
Because you need that last east wind for your Haneman, or some such. Opining your hand can sometimes lead to a better hand, if only because you can't get the right tiles anymore otherwise.

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fun

>>17447434
what is it about being 4th that fucks up all your riichi attempts? I can't count the amount of times I've trief to stage a comeback with a great wait only to get denied

>>17447443
It's probably people being defensive so they don't fall into 4th place on the last hand.
Wish I could stop dealing in and sit comfortably in 2nd or 3rd place without needing to dig myself out of 4th almost every match.

>Do people just determine the best odds at getting a hand and go for, or there's more to it?
There's more to it. Basically there are three big aspects of a hand you have to care about: Speed, value and defense. Speed means how quickly this hand will become complete on average. Value means how much the hand is worth. Defense means how well you can avoid dealing into an opponents hand with your own hand. What you refer to as "odds at getting a hand" is just the speed aspect. You also have to consider the others and find a balance between them. Plus while it's by far less important than in Poker there are also psychological aspects, so you won't always find an objective answer as to what is the most effective play even when just considering speed.

>>17445817
>>17445822
>>17445831
>>17446074
>>17446964
>>17447250
You all need to pay more attention. Why risk even a low chance kokushi when you have a 3p that is 100% safe against everyone?

>>17447527
oops, meant to quote >>17442177

>>17447527
>low chance kokushi
Well, look at shimocha's discards. It's fucking obvious.

And the answer:
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017080902gm-00a9-0000-497e83f2&tw=1&ts=3

>>17447613
>deal into that
>have to play with a big fat zero for the rest of the game
That just blows anon. Can't chankan a closed kan right? So I wouldn't have dealt in at least.

>>17447697
you can chankan a closed kan for kokushi only. this is one of those exception in the rules.

>>17447707
But does tenhou allow it? Searched it up and the kan passed.

>>17447732
Tenhou disallows it. So, kan would have been just fine.

>>17447697
You can closed kan the whole thing safely and draw a new tile. The 3p is 100% safe and the 7m is safe from two players and suji to the third.

The player here got greedy trying to keep tenpai and got punished. There are 3 terminal/honor discards his last 4 draws plus the 5s which isn't remotely safe into that board so shimocha is still likely pushing.

>>17445919
Wait are you saying that there's algorithm at all, you just have to play the game so much that you look at the hand and by the looks of the pattern know what are yours waits? That seems like a nightmare, aren't you also supposed to modify the hand, keep track of discards, call discards, be sure not to play into furiten situation (granted playing on a computer automates a lot)?

>>17445768
If you play long enough, you can easily dissect 13 tiles into groups of 2/3/4 tiles and determine how far you're to tenpai. What that game has though is really rare scenario. You can train on it, but that's not rather practical.
In real game, yes, you do have to consider other 3 players. For me, in early stage, I try to focus on my hand first, then start considering other players' situation once I enter second discard row. Obviously that plan isn't 100% perfect, so you have to adjust, both regarding your hand or others.

>>17449503
Also, just to clarify, shanten means distance to tenpai. Iishanten = 1 tile to tenpai, ryanshanten = 2 tiles, etc. What that game has is wait guessing, in which the hand is already in tenpai and you're asked how many wait that hand has. Different terminology.

Someone please tell me how win/lose rate work on tenhou, I can't read moonrunes posted by anons above

>>17449468
5-block method in daina chiba's book. Like the other anon said, it's not an algorithm but rather a streamlined way to look at your hand.
Just read the whole book really, it answers a lot of questions.

>>17449601
http://osamuko.com/sex/

>>17425520
You have big chances to deal into 4th or even 3rd place if you riichi here. I would just dama.

>>17445817
Oh I saw this one.
Well 1m is 100% safe unless one guy has kokushi tempai. Tbh you should avoid fringe cases like these whenever you can. Plus he discards from the inside to the outside (6p then 8p, 7s then 8s).
3p is genbutsu.

lads, is it just my feelings or is it that in 3 player tenhou games, yaku hands comes more easily?

>>17425520
Riichi. You have a game winner here.

>>17451848
Generally, one less suit. So yea, it's easy as fuck. Then add on kita.

>>17451848
One less suit of tiles means that hands will naturally form honiisou or chiniisou

>>17451848
You have a lot less tiles to assemble, so each one has a better chance of being what you are waiting on.

In addition, you only have 2 competitors that can win and end the hand.

>dealer baiman tsumo in my last two games
I'm paranoid as fuck that the mahjong gods will makes me pay for thisgood luck soon...

>>17461230
>Luck

Yea, imagine the case for this mother fucker:
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017080923gm-0029-0000-8f0fbb7d&tw=1&ts=6

>>17461230
>dealt into bAiman and sanbaiman

yeah sounds about right

im seriously thinking abou quitting tenhou and find somenon-ranked gane where I can play for fun instead. I'm literally pouring myself hard liquor over this bullshit

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>>17462454
What a beautiful hand

Anyone here going to play in the IORMC?

>>17469917
Contact your national organization, if you wish to be involved.

Newer player, are there any book in english worth picking up? I mostly know the very basics of playing.

>>17474057
read daina chiba book

>>17474057
Everything is in the pastebin. The Chiba book is basically the mahjong bible for western players, but you might not get as much out of it until you have played a bunch of games and feel more comfortable with how the game plays. Just read the first chapter (a Tenhou how-to guide) for now.

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>>17474125
>>17474177
Thanks anons.

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>>17474257
Basically the new player guide is, play the flash game until it starts making sense then jump into Tenhou. Until you feel comfortable with the yaku there isn't much we can teach you.

Once you have a pretty good idea of what there is and what to go for, then you can start reading some guides about tile efficiency like the ones in the pastebin >>17367778.

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>>17474406

Pley maajan please.

I got into mahjong a few years back and played to a kind of 1800 level but there seems to be way more resources that have been translated and written in english nowadays. Anything intermediate to advanced that's worthwhile that's not in the pastebin?

>>17476909
I know none of that. Some articles in sites on bottom of the pastebin are quite insightful. I heard there's plan to translate one mahjong book or two, but it's been months since last time I heard it.

>>17476909
Anything English and worthwhile is all in the "further reading" section of the Pastebin. If you've already read it all then aside from waiting for new stuff to get written your best bet is to buy some strategy books from Japan and try reading them.

>>17476909
There's a guide to calling tiles that's currently being translated to english. Really interesting stuff.

So we have an issue. Someone called a Kan 4 seconds after a chi was made on the same tile. Who gets the tile??

>>17481429
The kan, I presume

>>17481429
>4 seconds
That's way too long. You can't let people wait that long, or it's open to abuse if someone wants to block someone else from calling.

>>17481429
If it's just split second, pon/kan is prioritized over chi.
If it takes more than that, flip the table and call him a retard

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WWYD... as in What Would You Do?

>>17481942
What else could WWYD mean?
I'd take the second. I've never been good at targeting people so I'd probably miss and fail horribly if I let it pass, which would lead to me in third or fourth.
I was staring at it for a good minute or three and could not for the life of me find where the point was. After counting the tiles in everyone's hand to try to see who's turn it was, I saw the discard out of a corner of my eye. Felt really god damn stupid.

>>17481942
Pass, you've got such a big lead over third that you should aim to take first rather than secure second. Tsumo or a direct hit is enough.

>>17481942
Wait. He looks like he's pushing with pinzu chinitsu and will discard every man and sou tile. He will discard aka 5s if he gets it or you can draw it yourself. 2 chances every turn.
But then if you want 3 han aside from that one tile the only way is to get 6s pair or tanki wait on 6s by drawing last 9p. Since you're so far above 3rd place you risk nothing and can just try your luck anyway.
Or just get rinshan by drawing 8m or haku.

>>17482000
D for discard

>>17481942
Call on the 5s, place myself in furiten with 9p tanki, then win with haiteiraoyue.

>>17481942
Passing is obvious here but my points counting is bad enough that in the moment i probably wouldn't do it.

>>17484862
Oh shit nigger, what the fuck are you doing.

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>>17485627

>>17485627
Obviously you aren't in touch with the flow anon.

>>17481942
Probably ron and despair because my poor understanding of fu tells me my hand is worth 3900 which is just enough to scrape by to 1st. Also because I never remember to turn off auto-win when it matters most.

>>17485627
Why call ron so soon when you can conjure the flow and get an extra yaku?

>>17485702
No, that's a 2 han hand. Not 3.

>>17486151
Dealer, it's 2900. 3900 is for 40 fu.

what on earth, xkime's some sort of mahjong idol now. i'm noticing all sorts of thing shave changed as i'm catching up with 2017 mahjong.

>>17486785
Yea, he's more of a fag than usual

3:0

3:0 again!

>>17486785
Well he managed to brought in nip players to 7447. Tenhou-i, even. That gave him lots of good boy points.

does this thread have a discord?

>>17487197
The main mahjong discord is shared mostly by /jp/, osamuko, reddit, and some /a/. I don't think there's anything standalone /jp/ right now.

>>17487197
We don't use discord, it is not conducive to taking it easy!

>>17487341
>>17487284
Thanks for the tips friendos!

>>17487133
xkime had nothing to do with that, it was mainly one of the guys from LAPOM.

>>17487428
I can confirm that.

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>tfw lost 500 points in two days

Well, the good times couldn't last.

>>17487523
me too bro. and I was so close to ranking up too...

>>17382445
I quit after getting stuck in 3-dan last year and got my account deleted for inactivity.

New one just started like yesterday. As long as I don't land 4th, I'll keep climbing, eh.

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>>17489401
Forgot pic

anyone tried this course on memrise?

https://www.memrise.com/course/136369/japanese-mahjong/

minomino tenhou thing doesn't work any more? is there anything that you can use to use the windows client for free or do i need to buy a japanese prepaid card.

>>17490096
Oh, it still does, I forgot to put the dll in the right folder.

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>>17487523
>

>>17489401
Until you get to 1d you don't even have to think about avoiding 4th anyway.

>>17382445
What? It's not even the end of the month yet.

When it's orasu or near orasu and you need points but your opening hand looks very low value what do you typically do?

>>17490322
make sure none one wins and try for the next round

>>17490322
Try for chitoitsu for a haneman

>>17490322
As always, the answer is it depends. Usually though you are still going to attack if you can get to tenpai fast and hope for ippatsu or ura dora if the spread is more than 8k. Open kan can also be useful if nothing else but to scare the other players.

If it's like 6k on S3 consider something closer to your normal playstyle. If it's S3 and you are dealer in S4 then you don't really need to worry too much.

>>17490322
If you're 4th walking into oorasu, then you're stuck attacking. Plus, hope that your draws turn out well.

get in 7447

>>17491545
2.0

What's the longest you've ever had a game go beyond E4/S4 in ton/han? Just went to S3 in tonpuusen.

>>17492255
Game ends for hanchan after west 4 even if no one hits 30k. I did it just last month.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017070904gm-0029-0000-45f9ed2d&tw=1

>>17492255
I had a game that did like 20+ hands. It took forever.

>>17492255
had a 4h match

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>>17487523
Let me update that.
>tfw lost 750 points in three days

The more I riichi, the more I lose.

>>17490139
Look at the date

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>>17492820
>this thread is THIS ded

>>17366108
the legend himself, miss you old friend :(

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>tfw pulled a rinshan

>>17493963
Quoth who?

>>17493247
Don't worry, we'll ask it again in about a week or so.

>>17492255
Went to W4 once. The guy who was last on S4 took over and got 1st position. Good shit.

>>17492661
me too bro, me too...

>>17481942
Wait
Isn't this hand worth 3900 points?
Dealer 2 han 40 fu, right?

>>17497734
No, just a simple 2 and 30 hand. Shimocha would die there, but not give enough to overtake 1st.

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http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017081815gm-0029-0000-7de58746&tw=1

This fucking game, I swear!

I have been ryanshanten or better in my opening hand once in three games. Please take pity on me.

>>17497797
T-that isn't normal?

>>17497734
You probably forgot that only closed rons get the bonus 10 fu, open ones don't.
20(base) + 4(haku) + 2(8m) + 4(rounding) = 30fu

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>>17497787
How is everyone so fast

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http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017081904gm-0001-0000-345a18e2&tw=0

It's one of those days, isn't it?

>>17499979
That is tokujou

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2017081915gm-0089-0000-a66c437a&tw=0

Godammit. I was trying to push second into negative uma scores.
I guess you can't have everything go your way.

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What I get for playing fancy and trying to be too safe.

>>17503418
I fail to see what's wrong here.
Kamicha's (probably)tanyao dora 3 and toimen's chun pei (probably)honitsu would be enough to knock you out of first so keeping the option of folding is a no-brainer.
What's so fancy about how you're playing?

>>17503512
I'm just pretending to be results oriented because I thought it was amusing that all my buses came at once.

>>17503418
I think the better question is why the dealer didn't discard the 3p over the 5p. He is already at mangan, it gets him to tenpai, and he can't make a 3p set because both the others are dead.

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