Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1827

do people actually say 時々?

>>17364774
yes I heard it in anime even before I started learning Japanese

>>17364774
sometimes :^)

>>17364799
Even before?
Wow anon.

>>17364774
I feel like this is one of those words that would be typical to see written in kana, idk why I feel that way. What's your experiences anons?

I just want to read the cleaning manuals of my new loli onahole. Will learning Japanese for that purpose take more than a year?

>>17364977
search up every word. Look up grammar in DoJG. should take you a day or so. Maybe a week if you're slow.

>>17364774
ときおり

>>17365002
He won't be able to fully appreciate it that way. You should save your white whale for later.

>>17364726
Are DJT no longer allowed on /a/. I had been looking for them and hadnt seen them for a while so I came here.

>>17365023
I don't think he cares anon. I think he just want's to cum in dat loli pussy.

>>17365043
Mods threw a hissy fit. So now we're here.

>>17365056
Ah kk, that is disappointing but at least it lives on some where.

>>17365131
There is also one on /int/ but I hear it keeps getting derailed by filthy coreans.

>>17365137
i hate koreans so god damn much

>>17365155
we all do (should). That's why we stay here.

>>17364774
We learned this in my Japanese classes pretty early on and I have heard this used in various shows I have watched.

When did this
>笑
Turn to this
>w
And then turn into this
>草
???

>>17365165
It's good that they don't come here. Why is that so?

>>17365043
I think it was after a new janitor election and someone was basically just flexing their power. Decided to "get rid of generals".
Of course every single /a/ user who never even used DJT suddenly had intimate knowledge of how DJT always worked and how much of a "circlejerk" we always were apparently.
We were basically just symbolically executed to make everyone feel like the board was going to get better.

>>17365308
because they're coreans

>>17365308
because writing 笑 every time you wanted to laugh was too much trouble, so it got shortened to just w. Then people started lauging so damn mutch it looked like a field of grass (wwwwwwww) so it changed to 草.

>>17365311
This is exactly what happened. /a/ never got around to destroying the real problem, one that this board is barely managing to prevent - template posting. I think they still have the gay general thread even though they were supposed to ban them all. /djt/ was an actually useful general where people actually got around to doing something, but the mods just listened to the detractors blindly. What did they even mean with circlejerk? I forget now.

>>17364977
You're being ironic but I'll still answer. The cleaning method is roughly the same for all onahole - turn inside out, wash with (preferably mildly warm) water, a little detergent, scrub and rinse and dry. No need to learn Japanese but learning the language is fun at least for me.

VN script bro died again?

>>17365409
>>17277574

Would it be a bad idea to mine entire sentences instead of words?

>>17365461
Yes. The brain is extremely good at associating sentences with abstract ideas. After a few exposures you will stop practicing "using my Japanese ability to understand this sentence" and start practicing "my ability to remember the context for this sentence based on its shape and whatever words in it are easy".

It makes sense to mind sentences along with words, though, as long as you make sure that the sentences are not on the front of your flashcards.

>>17365461
Whenever I mine words I usually include the full original sentence on the back of the card (with more context from the preceding sentences if necessary), as well as a tag somewhere on the card data to say what I learned it from (if it's a VN. If it's a manga or game or something, I just include a screenshot on the back)

Helps me remember what usage/context I learned the word with, but I definitely wouldn't recommend putting sentences on the front of the card.

>>17365382
>What did they even mean with circlejerk? I forget now.
Even at the time I remember it was absolutely absurd. I honestly have no idea how the mods fell for such idiodic arguments.
But basically it was almost completely centered around the anons who would post their Anki statistics.
These arguments went on for days and that's literally the only example of circlejerkery they could come up with.

>>17365382
>>17365498
Oh right, I just remembered it was "blogging" that they complained about mostly, not circlejerking as much. They said those anki statistics were blog posts, and that's why DJT deserved to be ousted.

>>17365382
>template posting
this, THIS 10x
i'll out myself now

/v/ is pratically 80% this
i never visited /a/ because they seem like ironic weeb meme manes.

Generals are ironically the only place where meta/decent discussion happens (and you all know how /vg/ and /v/ ended up)

This board is slower but template posting still exists, although it's not filling up the board completely, thankfully.

>>17365308
saying www is the equivalent of LOLing (closest example i could give) for japs

I started using the Core 2K/6K set but I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by the rather complicated kanji it throws at you rather quickly.
Is there any systematic in which kanji it gives you, like JLPT or anything, or does it just go by common word, doesn't matter when the kanji is actually learned in JLPT or school system?

>>17365634
There is no specific ordering by kanji, only by how common the words are.

I kinda wanna study the kanji I learn in the words I mine, with the all in one kanji deck, does anyone know of a convenient way to have the deck show me only kanji I have encountered in words? or do I have to script something clever?

>>17365677
WORD FREQUENCY! yeah, that's what I meant to say. Been bugging me since I made that post.

>>17365409
Still on vacation but I wrote this: https://vnscripts.neocities.org/howto.html

>>17365723
>You need Python 3, 64-bit Java, and a Bash prompt. If you don't know what that means, you can't use this guide.
rip
can we request titles?

Can we share some channels for listening practice that aren't so scripted I think I'm watching american dramas?
https://youtu.be/ZsIineWjehM

>>17365759
Get cygwin.

>as long as you do the stroke order right your writing can look like crap but people will still understand it
Is this statement correct?

>>17365846
cygwin is garbage. People use mingw these days.

>>17365857
People use msys these days*

>>17365851
Kinda. When you can't identify something someone wrote you tend to look for little "cues" or whatever that show which stroke might have come after which or which direction a stroke was going.
It's actually kind of surprising the first time it works for you, I've seen some really ugly characters and I just ask myself how did this guy actually write that, and then suddenly it clicks

>>17365859
what's the difference between msys and cygwin again?

>>17365875
cygwin comes with a package manager.

>>17365875
Cygwin is a bonafide unix environment and has its own OS compatibility layer. Things made with cygwin can only be run inside cygwin, because it's a unix environment.

Msys is just a shell, and msys and mingw work as closely to windows as possible. Programs compiled with mingw run on normal windows systems if the libraries are statically linked. With cygwin you have to distribute an entire cygwin environment with anything you make.

>>17365889
so, if I understand correctly, Msys is to windows what zsh is to linux... vaguely speaking.

>>17365764
Can we stop shilling our own channels?

>八日
>四日

i get the difference but i hate things like that

What do you call words that are written the same but have different meaning from different readings like:

>一日
>いちにち
>ついたち

>一月
>いちげつ
>ひとつき

>>17366022
inconvenient is what i call them

>TFW got my first leech
Gonna write it on every wall, set as wallpaper, and repeat it after waking up and before going to bed, and I'll recite it every time an orthodox Jew would say a prayer

>>17366079
Good plan.

Guys, can someone rank these LNs from easiest to hardest for me? I want to read something I'm actually interested in but I'm a beginner who has only read Tae Kim and knows ~500 words.

Saekano
SukaSuka
Konosuba
Gamers
Jinrui

>>17366083
I don't know them but if you only know ~500 words you should dive into whatever you find the most interesting and know the most about because anything you read is going to be equally hard in terms of language content and you need compellingness and foreknowledge to make up for that.

>>17366083
Only Jintai is noticeably more complex. The others are the same for the most part, read whatever. You're probably better off starting with VNs if you only know that much though.

>>17366090
Or manga with furigana.

>>17366090
I mean I was planning to read digitally and both iPad and kindle can look up Japanese words just by touch the characters.

What VNs would you recommend? I've seen some people circle jerk aokana and leyline but I have no idea if those are actually decent beginner picks. I don't want to read fucking hanahira.

>>17366102
https://vnscripts.neocities.org/stats.html
sort by "VN 5k" or "modified Hayashi 2", bigger = easier, have fun

>>17366102
Yeah but they don't have voices, which help. As for VNs, pick whatever looks interesting and don't worry about "beginner picks". It's all gonna be hard as fuck for you, slight differences aren't gonna change much. If you don't accidentally pick one of the 0,1% of VNs that are actually boasting complex language structures you should be fine. But to throw out a name, I recommend Eustia. Straight forward writing, engaging throughout and a voiced protagonist.

>>17366083
None of them will be an enjoyable read at your level. But I guess it's better to be a reader type of DJT EOP than the anki type, so just read whatever.

>>17366110
>>17366115
Thanks for the help

>>17366116
I'm confused, I've seen Anki/RTK/etc get shit on constantly in these threads and everyone says to just read asap.

>>17366124
>I'm confused, I've seen Anki/RTK/etc get shit on constantly in these threads and everyone says to just read asap.

That's what he's saying.

ごめんな

>>17366124
It's core that gets shit on. Mining is fine and encouraged.

>>17366083
>500 words

boy what

>>17366137
what's wrong with core? do you mean only ever doing core?

>>17366150
More is missing a lot of top 1k common words and prioritizes a lot of words that are only particularly common in things like newspapers and magazines.

>>17366156
Core*

>>17366145
I know 500 words

>>17366156
so how should a beginner learn vocab, exactly? it's not like they can read

>>17366161
By looking at things and learning words from whatever they look at.

>>17366156
So why is it still recommended in the DJT link in the OP?

>>17366159
why are you trying to read with 500 words?

>>17366163
It's the most established thing.

>イスラーム過激派
What have you learned today, djt?

>>17366165
So what does >>17366137 mean with Mining?

>>17366162
....?

>>17366171
Seeing words in the wild and then making flashcards out of them.

>>17366164
Doesn't this thread say to read ASAP?

>>17366178
Yes. Ignore the dumbass. Just make sure you're aware that reading with only like 500 words is going to be very slow. You're not going to get a lot of story content out of it, but you get out something for whatever effort you put in, and reading is the right place to put that effort.

Do 6K (40 words/day) and then read

>>17366184
Congrats, you just wasted four months.

>>17366181
yeah reading light novels when you have the vocab of an actual 3 year old sounds like a great idea

>>17366194
3 year olds know more than 500 words

>>17366174
Making flashcards by yourself sounds like a horrible chore.

>>17366194
t. beginner who will never learn japanese

>>17366197
All you do is press a button and the computer does it for you. Read the guide.

>>17366184
More like do 40 words from Core a day while going through whatever grammar guide and/or kanji study resource you picked, then when you finish that grammar guide start reading and get your new words from your reading material instead of core.

>>17366184
>>17366203
>40 words a day
Do you mean 40 NEW words per day?

>>17366215
That's what words per day means.

>>17366215
After some individual kanji study I was going at 60-100 new words a day for a bit, so 40 new words a day is reasonable as long as you have the time for the reviews. If 40 is too hard and/or time consuming I'd do at least 20 new words a day though.

>>17366216
>>17366223
So how much time do you sit on your vocabulary, two hours per day?

>>17366200
I presume it can't be done on Akidroid?

>>17366225
When I was doing the 60-100 new words a day I usually had around 400-600 reviews, so yeah, about an hour, usually a bit over. I don't do very much new vocab though (I only mine words I guessed incorrectly while reading and words with new kanji, so if I'm not reading as much or the content I'm reading isn't hard enough, I don't find a whole lot of new words), so I don't have nearly as many reviews as before and I kinda just do them while watching raw seasonal anime for listening practice.

>>17366243
I could imagine doing 60-100 words with a language that doesn't have a different writing system but 60-100 new words including kanji, readings, and meanings sounds a bit too much.
I need 20 minutes just for the standard 20 words thing.

>>17366194
So if I can't read actual content why the fuck should I start reading with 500 words? Why shouldn't I just ankidrone longer?

>>17366252
Because it's dangerous.

>>17366256
I don't understand you people. "Ankidroning is bad, just go read!" "Wow, why the fuck are you trying to read when you haven't ankidroned?"

>>17366263
This might surprise you, but DJT is not a single person. Ignore the retard.

>Some people start reading when they get to about 1-2k words in core
I can't understand how people do this. If you're actually trying to learn Japanese, you'll learn the kana and finish a grammar guide in two weeks. Now what will you do? Chill with Anki for a 100 days because you can't start reading until you reach the magic 2k number? Or are you going to actually put that knowledge to the test, and start reading?
The only people who "wait until they start reading" are the retards who complain "waa waa reading is too hard I don't ever want to do it :((((".

>>17366265
Yes, but DJT seems to go through cycles of jerking off to Anki and then jerking off to hating on Anki.

>>17366269
It's textbook-itis. They've been intoxicated by sterile learning environments their whole lives and are unwilling to accept that some things can't be learned through skillbuilding. Just look at Nukemarine. Literally years spent trying to figure out how to learn Japanese with frequency lists, core decks, kanji resources, you name it. Still not anything approaching fluent.

>>17366277
No, that's just whoeverse posts you're reading at the time.

>>17366269
Yeah I just started reading after a few days of anki droning myself. Wasn't a big deal.

guys how do I buy ebooks from amazon japan without a credit card? I have paypal but they don't take it

>>17366225
>I presume it can't be done on Akidroid?
Not directly, but there are other apps which can export stuff to Ankidroid.
For example Aedict (dictionary app) or Typhon (ebook reader)

>>17366354
Thanks.
But I guess I'll first just work through the 2k on mobile and then from there on build mining decks on my pc.

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why is there a tsu in Todd?

>>17366298
Borrow your mum's

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>Don't bring weird things
>I like pudding
>Your taste is good

This is in the context of giving presents to the neighbours when they first move in, obviously the last 2 sentences are incorrect, but I can't understand what they should be. Can anyone help me?

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>>17366385
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemination#Japanese

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>>17366399

>>17366397
Don't bring me weird things
I like pudding (explaining), think of it as "but I like pudding"
No, your taste's fine (that's not the problem, the problem is that it's weird to bring me pudding as a welcome present)

>>17366397
Three months in and that's exactly how I'd translate that. I'm making no progress.

>うん
>ううん

What were they thinking?

>>17366496
You're doing better than I did after 3 months. Ganbare, anon.

>>17365764
おなかすいた

>>17366397
Don't bring me weird stuff.

Pudding is good though.

No, I mean, your taste is fine.

>>17366501
>UH-uh
>uh-UH
What were they thinking?

>>17366501
They sound very different

>>17366515
uh-huh
uh-uh

>>17366515
>uh oh
>uhh
>huh?
>huh!
>oh
>ohh!
What were they thinking?

>>17366518
>>17366533
That's what I mean. Contrary to what this anon here >>17366501 seems to think, this is something normal.

>>17366542
My real problem is that they're opposite meanings of a common word that sound almost identical, and could be easily mistaken for another in speech. Of course many words will sound similar, especially in a language like Japanese with limited sounds.

>>17366576
They don't sound almost identical...
It's like differentiating beach from bitch, vowel elongation makes the difference, and intonation too

>>17366484
>>17366513
Alright it makes a bit more sense, I assume that the second sentence feels more like an explanation because of the "んだ” which I think Tae Kim said was just a shortened version of "のだ” for an explanation. And I think the third sentence would become easier to read if I knew what kind of meaning the "いや" part carried。Jisho seems to call it "an exclamation of surprise". Thank you for your help.

>>17366496
If we keep going im sure we will make it!

>>17366621
いや means "no" here.
https://sakubi.neocities.org/#yesandno

>>17366397
いい doesn't only mean "good", it's also used the same way "I'm fine" is used in english for declining an offer.
He's saying that he doesn't care about the other guy's preferences, not that they're good.

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The principles under which kanji adverbs take the と particle.
http://repository.tufs.ac.jp/bitstream/10108/20528/1/jls006007.pdf

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Please help, it seems I've fucked up a big time. I'm slowly becoming a slave to anki.

>>17366624
Oh well that makes alot more sense then. Mabye i'll skim through Sakubi at some point as well as Tae Kim, but I imagine the guides only differ in small areas like that.

>>17366665
I assume that kind of thing comes with more reading? Mabye it would be good to look up each word if I get confused in a sentence like that to see if there are other meanings for it. Thank you for your help as im sure that word will crop up often.

>>17366269
Listen to this anon.
I'm at 4k words right now and I still haven't started reading. Better to push yourself and start reading as soon as possible than to become like me.

>>17366252
As another anon suggested, I think an easy manga with furigana is a better place to start. It will be much easier than an LN, and you'll understand a lot more in context. You likely won't get complicated compound sentences either.

Mind you, with 500 words it'll probably still be a slog.

I installed True Retention to anki and now pressing "R" doesn't replay the example sentence. What do?

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>>17366718
It's covered in HJGP (いいから/いいよ)

>>17366742
Nothing, True Retention doesn't touch that code.

Which JRPG has the easiest Japanese?

Preferably something for early Nintendo or Gameboy.

>>17366812
The one you like.

>>17366812
don't play early nintendo & gameboy games when you're a beginner. The pixelated kanji are as good as impossible to read.

>>17366812
You could check out /vr/, I see threads about retro Japanese games there occasionally.

>>>/vr/4140982
>>>/vr/4130939

おはようおにいちゃん

せみとりいこ

>>17366710
Stop adding new cards and reviews will go down a lot within a week or two.
Then keep up with those reviews and enjoy all the words you'll never forget again.

>>17366851
This. Not even DS games are suitable in my opinion since the furigana are so small.

>>17366753
Is that thing in the CoR yet? I've almost considered buying a copy.

>>17367318
Yes.

>load up VN/doujin game
>open ITHVNR, hook it to process
>open firefox page, turn on auto clipboard paster, turn on rikaisama
>start reading, switch over to firefox to check things every sentence because I'm a scrub

Is there a way to simplify this a bit? Obviously getting to the point where you open *just* the game is asking for too much, but for laptop reading, it's kind of a pain. A few things to open and juggling windows is unpleasant just to get started.

Chiitrans hooks to whatever you point it to *and* it keeps a dialogue box open on top of whatever window you're reading from, but it definitely doesn't hook to everything and I don't think it's recommended in the guide. Is it still legit?

>>17366753
Is HJGP better than djt bunpo? (in terms of completeness and accuracy?)

>>17367318
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/ (mega link is contained on the page).

>>17366156
>More is missing a lot of top 1k common words
It really isn't. Words you read a couple of times in one of your wank novels don't make them extremely common. Fuck off already.

>>17367329
It'd be easier to just display furigana.

>>17367329
You can press the save button on ITHVNR so it hooks automatically to the game and chooses the correct thread. Dunno how small your laptop is but I can have game and a small firefox window next to each other and you don't need to click the firefox window to hover over words with rikai.

>>17366753
>HJGP
What does that stand for?

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Is it just me, or are novels (in general) always dark and serious?
It seems like anything past ライトノベル and young adult in terms of demographics are always brooding and serious. I want to read something much more lighthearted yet more difficult than a light novel.
Like, what's the Japanese equivalent of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

>>17367374
Try Morimi.

>>17367374
1. It's just you.
2. You don't know what light novels are.

>>17367329
If your screen is too small for two windows just google 'always on top window', I'm sure there's tons of solutions.

>>17367385
>You don't know what light novels are.
What do you mean?

>>17367030
Yeah, it seems that I can't avoid doing that. I wanted to finish core6k this summer but it seems it'll take sometime longer.

>>17367329
>>open firefox page, turn on auto clipboard paster, turn on rikaisama

both of those things will stop working in a few months though

砂が嫌いだ。
荒くて粗雑で腹立たしくてどこもある。

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>>17367374
>Is it just me

>>17367406
>I want to read something much more lighthearted yet more difficult than a light novel.
This is what I mean. A light novel is neither "light" by default nor are "real novels" harder. There's thousands of braindead simply written 小説 and there's also LNs that will have even native Japanese people constantly grasping for the dictionary.

https://tanoshimi.xyz/2017/07/11/common-misconceptions-about-light-novels/

>>17367418
I made a new clipboard addon compatible with firefox 57+. It's called ClipMon. And when rikai dies, yomichan can replace it.

>>17367349
Well yeah, but a lot of games, especially RPGMakershit, don't seem to offer that option.

>>17367355
It's small enough that any window surpassing 768p of vertical resolution usually cuts into the taskbar, which is pretty common and a royal pain in the ass.

Because the windows are usually so big, I have to alt-tab just to check things that are farther in the sentence, because the window obscures them.

>>17367418
How so? Is there a better way already figured out?

>>17367452
use spark reader, it overlays your game. Play in windowed mode, so you can use your mouse, and you don't have to tab out any more.

>>17367470
Fuck off shill.

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>>17367432
>going full sperg over a simple rhetorical device

>>17367473
no. lel.

>chinks have no kana, only kanji

How do they do it?

>>17367348
It actually is. You wouldn't know that, though. You don't know Japanese.

>>17367496
Socialism. Thats how.

>>17367433
>A light novel is neither "light" by default nor are "real novels" harder.
Just so you know in case you're note a native speaker this is an invalid use of neither ... nor ... because nor is in a shallower structural node than neither is.

>>17367510
not*

>>17367496
Their grammar is literally caveman level

>>17367515
Chinese grammar is actually extremely convoluted when you get outside of basic statements.

>>17367527
Might be so, but they're communists, and Trump is president so it doesn't matter.

>>17367510
To be specific...

The accepted pattern restrictions are ( neither(X) nor(Y) ) and neither(X nor Y). Any pattern which can't be simplified to one of these is an ungrammatical use of neither ... nor ... .

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>non-Hepburn romanizations

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>>17367597
Shut up you EOP faggot

>>17367597
I type si, ti, sya, jya etc because it is faster and/or makes more sense, and so does every Japanese person.

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>>17367597
When someone unironically uses macrons.

When someone merges ぢ and じ.

>>17367606
jya is literally not a romanization in any system anywhere, standard or phonetic or transcriptional or phonemic or anything. Nowhere. At all.

>>17367597
>>17367604
>>17367609
Nice anime pictures. I like anime.

>>17367604
English isn't even my fist language you projecting オカマ.

>>17367609
Yeah, but every IME accepts it, so I don't really care.

>>17367618
Mine doesn't.

>>17367615
First off, おかま isn't a real insult so that just proves that you don't actually know japanese and are just whining about shit you don't actually understand. Secondly, you're a fucking faggot if you think that hepburn is efficient at anything but appealing to EOP retards and (You).

>>17367620
Oh. I've used the standard Windows IME (whatever it is called), the Google one, and also mozc in standard configuration. They all accept jya. I've never set up Japanese input on my phone

>>17367628
>most widely used method of romanization
>closest to how things are actually pronounced
>inefficient
>crossdressing faggot isn't an real insult

w

>>17367656
>most widely used method of romanization
That means absolutely nothing.
>closest to how things are actually pronounced
Does that even actually matter? Japanese has its own writing system, it's not supposed to be romanised in the first place. Plus, Hepburn only makes it easy to read for EOPs. In fact, that's why it was made in the first place
>inefficient
Correct.
>crossdressing faggot isn't an real insult
You actually don't know Japanese. Just stop arguing, you don't know what you're talking about and are only embarassing yourself.

>>17367451
How will we get around yomichan's inability to read local files?

>>17367682
>Does that even actually matter?
It's the entire point of a romanization system, you cretin.
>Hepburn only makes it easy to read for EOPs
No, Hepburn based the system on both English and Italian phonology, so it should be easily readable to anyone who has any of the major western european languages as their mother tongue.
>you don't know what you're talking about and are only embarrassing yourself.
Enlighten me then, what does it actually mean?

>>17367726
Not him but オカマ野郎 is used as an insult.

>>17365634
I started this in Anki a while ago, and it may be an older version, but the order seems pretty weird sometimes. I'm 400 words in right now, and today I got 七 and　九 for the first time. Not only are they far easier than some of the monsters I've seen along the way, but I already got them combined with 日 somewhere at the beginning.

On the upside, it gave a bit of a breather I guess. I have 20 new words a day, and commonly get between 80-100 reviews on top of that.

>>17367475
>>17367496
>>17367597
>>17367656
Who are you quoting though?

>>17366720
Go fucking read dude. What's stopping you?

>>17367752
Please don't quote my post again if you have nothing of value to say.

>>17367752
(You)

>自宅の倉庫で女児２人の体を触ったなどとして、大阪府警捜査１課は２３日、強制わいせつ容疑で、警察署協議会長を務める自営業内山義弘容疑者（５７）を逮捕した。「欲求を抑えられなかった」と容疑を認めている。同課によると、内山容疑者は同府公安委員会が委嘱する府警天王寺署協議会の委員で、今年６月には協議会長に就任していた。地域のボランティア活動として、小学生の登下校時の安全指導などにも参加していたという。逮捕容疑は３月６〜２４日ごろ、大阪市内の内山容疑者宅の１階にある倉庫内で、「胸がどれくらい大きくなっているかな」などと言いながら、当時１０歳と１１歳の女児の胸などを触った疑い。

へんたいだー

>>17367694
Rikaichan can do that? do you need that?

>>17367767
>>17367771

TL: Please don't abuse the quote function.

>>17367794
I can just drag-n-drop the file (i.e. txt) on my chrome and use yomichan from there.

>>17367811
PLEASE STOP QUOTING ME

>>17367818
I have a feeling that kind of usage he was referring to. Maybe something like this:
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/#ss_vocab

I don't know what the situation is for yomichan with local files, but worst case, the functionality would have to be added by someone with enough time and bother to do it.

What futaba boards do you browse? Do you post (by getting VPN)? Their touhou board feels slow

>>17367840
Pretty much all boards but may are slow there. Get used to it.

>>17367828
s-sorry, quotechan

>>17367840
ないわーლ(╹◡╹ლ)

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Anons, any good tips for a beginner to memorize stuff such as the counting systems and get better at numbers?
I still taking a long time to think of how could I say a number like 462, for example, even though I understand the basis.

>>17367911
do math in japanese.

>>17367911
Always read numbers in Japanese whenever you encounter them. Practice counting and playing with numbers every time you take a piss. That worked for me.

>>17367923
>Practice counting and playing with numbers
i.e. this >>17367916

>>17367794
The text hooking guide recommends to use an HTML file saved on your computer to paste the text to.

>>17367962
The guide reccomends one of three styles, the plain, style 1, and style 2. The plain file is basically just an empty file. style 1 has some css making it look slicc, and some javascript that makes it autoscroll. Same with style 2, just different css. Loading this local file into firefox does not involve Yomichan in any way.

>>17367911
play mahjong

>>17367329
Just leave it all open. I had Flyable Heart open for months when I was reading it.

You can set Rikaisama to start automatically.

>>17367911
translate all the post No. on 4chan into japanese.

>>17367981
ちゅうごくしき？にほんしき？

>>17367978
Oh, it seems I misinterpreted the problem. For some reason yomichan doesn't work straight away after opening a session on Firefox, you have to refresh the page. Strange, but not a big deal.

>>17368050
yeah, that is strange. I haven't tried it myself yet, but I'll get around to it at some point. As long as it works, I guess it doesn't really matter much though.

>>17367772
>小学生の登下校時の安全指導などにも参加していたという
>「胸がどれくらい大きくなっているかな」
That sounds like the basis for a story in LO

>>17367999
I actually jump from game to game pretty often, courtesy of DLsite. Playing a bunch of low-tier stuff and the occasional throwaway gem that actually tries to be a bit different is what keeps my interest in this language alive.

I don't get how anybody can have the stamina to read 30+ hour VN's in the native language but I'm guessing it's just something you develop over time. I mean, I can't even stomach reading something like Nekopara for fuck's sake, and that's about as easy as it gets with furigana and such.

>>17368028
こうしゃ

>>17367978
>The plain file is basically just an empty file
The plain file also has the javascript to autoscroll, just no styling on it.

>>17368182
きょうみぶかいしつもんなんだけど

そのばあいけっきょくむねは

あるほうがいいの？

ないほうがいいの？

Is it possible to fully understand written and spoken Japanese without ever writing or speaking it yourself?

>>17368272
Yes, and it's impossible to do the opposite in any meaningful way.

>>17368197
I have only read about 6 or so scenes of Nekopara, but I do not recall any furigana except on the name of La Soleil

>>17368327
Oh, I could swear I remember furigana when I started reading it, but I guess I recalled it wrong.

>>17367329
reading scanned (raw) manga is so fucking painful
the zoom in just ruins the art

I've been watching some 40 something year old Japanese dude streaming White Album2 and the guy seems to be unable to read a lot of pretty intermediary level kanji (he couldn't read it but if the character was pronouncing it he would get the meaning) which got me thinking, is this normal or are we pretty much better than the average Japanese at kanji since we go out of our way to cram so much of it.

>>17368508
>people streaming live reading of visual novels
Is this an actual thing?

>>17368508
Probably just means they never bother reading anything.

>>17368272
>>17368276

I completely agree you can fully understand without being able to actually speak.

But to a certain extent you pick up things quicker by being forced to be active and struggling with producing. Even if what you produce is not perfect. That's part of why immersion works to make even dumb people fluent.

It's a balance though and if you don't keep your ears open you'll have a terrible accent and grammar.

>>17368517
Small amounts of speaking practice can expose you to nuances that are hard to notice otherwise. But not because you're speaking, instead because you're having a conversation. The act of verbally producing sounds made out in special patterns doesn't help you understand them any more than echoing them in your head.

>>17368512
It's more common than you think. They only get like 5 to 10 people watching though.

>>17368514
He couldn't even read 囁き which is pretty shocking. He doesn't sound retarded. From what I gather he's a salaryman at a normal company.

>>17368519
I'm not trying to say there's anything special about speaking versus thinking. It's the act of producing which can help you.

I think we're basically in agreement.

>>17368523
That is 表外漢字, in almost all cases you'll see that with furigana. Also what do you suspect the chances are of him encountering it at work? Seems perfectly reasonable to me to not know, or forget a kanji like that if you hardly ever read fiction.

>>17368528
Yeah, I just care more about the wording.

>>17368538
In what universe is 囁き outside of common use? Or hell here's another one, 屑. He couldn't read that either.

>>17368538
So you're saying my kanji recognition levels have surpassed that of the average Japanese salaryman? Aren't these games made for men of this age group?

>>17368541
>(n, uk)
>(n, adj-f, uk)
If he can understand it when spoken, then he probably does not read often

>>17368541
>屑
My fonts renders this as 旧字体, so it's probably less common that one might expect.

>>17368551
I'm sorry but what does uk mean?

>>17368559
usually written in kana kana

>>17368541
It's common, in fiction. Though even then, you most likely don't need to know the kanji thanks to furigana. 屑 Also is for the most part written in kana.

If he really is a salaryman then he probably thinks of a lot of words as common, that you've never even heard before.

>>17368548
You probably read a hell of a lot more fiction than he does. Imagine you only ever read the news and work documents, do you think you would come across 囁 and 屑 very often?

>>17368562
This is correct. If you read a lot of novels, then you might think "countenance" is a common word, but it really isn't. People who don't read a lot of a novels would say "facial expression" is much more common.

>>17368562
>If he really is a salaryman then he probably thinks of a lot of words as common, that you've never even heard before
Well yeah I guess that's true, I wouldn't be able to read a Japanese contract for the life of me.

屑 I can sort of get since I see it as クズ a lot more often these days but 囁き is a bit hard to believe. I always wondered why light novels seem to have furigana for seemingly common words. Guess I now know why.

>>17366265
How do I know which one is the retard?

>>17368580
By reading more.

>>17364726
Much better time learning this than Spanish. What a boring language/country

>>17366194
This is a hyperbole. Nobody recommends LNs with 500 words. People recommend mangas, typically slice-of-life themed mangas, as most of them share a basic set of vocabulary.

>>17368591
ok but if you read the thread, him reading LNs with 500 words was LITERALLY recommended

>>17368630
>>17368591
Wait, so should I not try reading LNs? I don't know what to do and am getting really stressed out about it. I want to start reading but am getting mixed signals everywhere I look. At what word count should I start reading novels?

>>17368638
Just like learn Japanese.

>>17368641
That is the ultimate goal

>>17368644
You're on the right path anon.

>>17368638
i certainly don't think you should wait till 6k, or even 2k, but a bit more than 500 would be good as long as it doesn't take you an excessively long time

would someone mind telling me what 忍ばず法生かさず殺さず is supposed to mean? the kanji are obvious, but i haven't a clue what they're supposed to mean together

>>17368523
>>17368508
It means he picked up vocabulary by talking to people and by reading common media, not by grinding words. It is possible to be able to speak and listen to Japanese with full comprehension and still not know how to write or read.

>>17368648
So like 1k?

>>17368671
Nevermind the context is a native.

>>17368671
>Someone who doesn't know how to read 囁く doesn't know Japanese.
>Nevermind the context is a native.
really makes you think

>>17368676
>Of course, they might only know how to read it in kana, and if that's the situation, that's fine, it's a very strongly "usually kana" word.

What's the best website / book to learn Japanese?

>>17368679
The link in the OP. Have fun, you're here forever.

>>17368678
I mean, yes, it goes without saying that if you can't read the kana you definitely can't read, but someone who only knows kana can't read either even if he would theoretically be capable of reading a work written entirely in kana.

is studying for 2 years enough to be fluent?

it was always offputting to me, but since i started learning japanese, every time i see some gaylord use romaji it makes me physically ill

>>17368684
There's this idea called "functional literacy", which has to do with your ability to read the written language. It's 100% normal to be able to read transcriptions of dialogue like subtitles with complete fluency but stumble over narrative fiction, in every culture. Being good at reading narrative fiction is a second level of literacy after being able to read written speech.

>>17368690
>>17368691
i've read one of these posts before, i'm not sure which

>>17368691
kinouteki ni kana to onaji janai desuka?
watashi-tachi zen'in isshou roumaji wo yondeitashi, yomiyasui to omou

>>17366385
It's not that clear from this font, but that is a "small tsu", indicating emphasis on the following consonant. You don't read the small tsu.

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Why is it that some shounen manga don't have furigana and some seinen manga do? What compels a magazine to have furigana? Why would a magazine for kids not have it? Why would a magazine for adults bother having it?

>>17368638
>Wait, so should I not try reading LNs?
No. With 500 words, you will literally mine 40 ~ 50 words in a few (read: less than 10) pages. And what makes you think you will understand the syntax of each sentence when you haven't even read something simpler, such as a manga? Ignore the retards who say to dive into LNs this early.

>>17368630
My fault for not tracing the entire conversation, sorry.

>>17368726
>wo
At least romanize particles properly.

>>17368768
with 500 words he'd be mining more words than he'd be reading in an LN

>>17368691
in game names like this are notorious, i try and convince myself its a native doing it for some style.
I cant accept its some game engine limitation

>>17368779
Well, I was not trying to exaggerate my statement too much, but you are right.

>>17368773
desu i just typed it the way the way i'd type it into an IME but without the IME

>>17368826
Why not use a kana keyboard?

>>17368836
___________;^)

>>17364726
How does one look up kanji in a dictionary? Or compound kanji words for that matter. Is it categorized by radicals?
Ive never owned a kanji dictionary

I just finished the first oendan for the ds and I couldn't help but notice how "osu" was thrown at every opportunity. Looking at dictionaries they say it can mean "Hi!; Yo!; Hey man!; Yes sir!" But they seemed to use it like their signature cheer. Also the people they help say osu when they are motivated in what I guess could be translated as "Yes sir!" but I can't find a way that sounds good, or even correct, to translate the cheer way of using osu.
Maybe I didn't explain very clearly how the guys use osu but those who played the game surely know what I'm talking about.

It was pretty fun btw.

Is there a way to modify Anki's real time import to make it import the sentence as well?

>>17366083
Don't take this thread's advice religiously. The "read, read, read" advice is more of an intermediate thing I'd say. In the beginning with only a couple hundred words you won't be reading so much as you will be drilling hundreds of common words into your brain so they become "normal." This is so much different than reading for pleasure it's ridiculous.

I'd recommend going through a basic 2k/6k anki deck sorted by frequency of use (search nukemarine). If you're going to try reading use manga or NHK easy, comments on nico nico, easier stuff. Grasping the correct context of what a sentence in a novel means in another language is already a bit of a challenge, let alone understanding the literal and grammatical function of each word within one as a newbie. With simpler material, or ones with visual aids, you'll have a better idea of whether you understood what's been said.

You've gotta learn how to swim before you go to the deep end. Trust me, it will pay off with time and effort.

What does カス mean at the end of a sentence? is it です but with a "nerd" accent or something?
And other thing, I'm really desperate for listening practice because it has been more than a year already and I suck at listening comprehension, I found some jap streamers but they seem too hard to understand, should I practice with streamers or with anime?

>>17369041
>should I practice with streamers or with anime?
Do a bit of everything. Streamers, anime, drama, variety shows, podcasts for topics you're interested in, 実況プレイ vids for games you're interested in watching, etc. Exposing yourself to a wide variety of content in general helps.

I stopped learning japanese a few years ago. Got up to 3k words in core6k.
Should a i use the same deck or is it fucked up beyond repair? Should make another core6k deck or just mine my own deck and read?
Please help, i posted this on /int/ before but got no response.

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Feels good to finish your reps first thing in the morning.

>>17369062
Just re-add the deck and start from scratch I guess. Core6k is good. Do it while studying grammar if you've forgotten it, start reading and mining when you feel comfortable enough.

>>17369041
>What does カス mean at the end of a sentence? is it です but with a "nerd" accent or something?
Not too sure myself, but the first response here seems to be helpful http://lang-8.com/308136/journals/1560985 Basically doesn't mean anything and is just kind of a speech pattern quirk / "character trait", going by the explanation given there. Wasn't really able to find much else about it anywhere else and not sure I've encountered it personally.

If someone more experienced knows more about this they can provide input, because I'm kind of curious too.

>>17369062
I've done this before. I didn't give up Japanese, but I gave up reviewing Core for a year or two and came back to it.

Just set your limit to something 50-100 reviews a day and set it to no new cards or some very small amount (because you wont be reviewing the new cards on a regular schedule for awhile).

You'll probably fail a lot, but you haven't lost everything you learned a few years ago. If you stick with it you'll get through the back log in 1.5-3 months (some extra time because you'll be failing words) and then you'll be back on track.

And if you do know words after all this time you may as well just suspend the card since you have that word down.

>>17369088
>Feels good to finish your reps first thing in the morning.
Do you do this everyday though?

>>17369130
Nope.

日本語を難しい！

>>17368768
>With 500 words, you will literally mine 40 ~ 50 words in a few (read: less than 10) pages
Add an extra zero, maybe. Even at 8k words I'm mining a dozen or so words a page for the first 100 pages of so of a new series, when it comes to kirara manga time yonkoma series. 500 words from something like the Core decks would essentially be having to look up nine out of every ten words.
The vocab mountain is real, which a lot of people don't seem to understand. Even with Core10k, an average novel will involve another few thousand more unknown words.

I'm around 2k words into core and I'm interested in reading Kino no Tabi, should I read it even if I have to look up almost every other word or will it be easier than that?

>>17369372
You should have started reading a long time ago.

>>17369372
There's an html version in the resources so lookup is really easy. I hope you've also been studying grammar.

>>17369381
Is the one in the resources the djt netfly?

>>17369377
I have been reading but it was stuff that people said were easy like Hanahira and Axanael, I regret that now and I'm trying to read things I'm interested in. When should I have started reading?

>>17369399
>I regret that now and I'm trying to read things I'm interested in. When should I have started reading?
You answered the question yourself, with what you're interested in. Kino is fine, so are the vast majority of other LNs and VNs.

>>17369399
>>17369407
Oh nevermind, I read "when" as "what". Pretty much immediately after finishing Tae Kim.

>>17369340
おにいちゃんはできるよ

おにいちゃんはどんなりょうりがすき？

>>17369467
枝豆

>>17369537
えだまめおいしーよね

ずんだはすき？

>>17369372
Read some manga

Are there any good grammar books that let me do exercises and stuff? Like a classical textbook. Answer key should be available as well. I have Genki but I don't know if there's anything better.
Reading Tae Kim doesn't really require me to think critically, and I feel I don't memorize a lot from it.

>>17369711
It's called reading.

>>17369717
Sure, but I'd like to be efficient and waste as little time as possible.

>>17369728
It doesn't work that way. Watch Stephen Krashen or else you'll be Krashen 'n' burning

>>17369759
>Stephen Krashen
Right, it's that video again where he talks about language acquisition of like what, 5 year olds? Not particularly relevant to adults who understand what grammar is and can actively study it.
The core principle of learning is feedback. You wouldn't start doing math problems without ever checking your answers. And you definitely wouldn't skim through 5 chapters worth of theory, then start doing random excersises without having a clue about what techniques might be useful. Or maybe you would, but it'd be retarded.

>>17369790
The feedback is knowing what the hell the sentence means. If you refuse to read and only look at textbooks in isolation, you can't learn Japanese. As simple as that.

>>17366397
Holy shit, so many wrong responses, only >>17366665 got it right, >>17366484 >>17366496 >>17366513 please don't reply if you don't know shit.

>>17369717
>>17369819
its like that doing thing
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1500894899496.webm
yea doing

>>17369825
>please don't reply if you don't know shit.
Saying this is retarded 100% of the time because the person who doesn't know shit doesn't know they don't know shit. Not that you're not right in complaining about people giving wrong advice, but you're still dumb for saying that.

>>17369819
>The feedback is knowing what the hell the sentence means.
>The feedback is knowing
Lmao, you can't be real. If you already know there's no need to study.

>If you refuse to read and only look at textbooks in isolation, you can't learn Japanese. As simple as that.
Yes. Did I ever claim otherwise?
And you realize that translating texts is part of textbooks? But it happens on an appropiate level and obviously a translation would be available (or you have a teacher to help you out), you know, so you realize when you've made a mistake, and learn from it. And look at that, you've just made progress.

>>17369849
Do you have brain damage?
>learn grammar
>read sentence
>apply grammar you learned
>sentence makes sense

>translation
Well good to know you aren't actually interested in learning Japanese. Have fun wasting your time.

>>17369870
How can someone be this naive?

>Have fun wasting your time.
Hilarious.

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>>17369467
かるぼなーら 今日のランチ
まかろにんだけど

>>17365723
Well, when you get back from vacation you can try extracting the script from Tokyo Necro. http://www.mediafire.com/file/1wwj3vqvqmrbl27/

>>17369903
しろめしは？

>>17369711
VJG has exercises.

>>17364726
穴があったら人りたい

can someone explain what this means please?

>>17369941
What do you not understand?

>>17369944
I think he doesn't understand what it means... Are you an idiot?

>>17369941
If there was a hole I would want to go in it

>>17369941
You've got it wrong. It's not 人 but 入る. 穴があったら入りたい。

>>17364774
はい
高校生時に、それ単語を使った。

>>17369962
ohhhhh ok. thanks

I spend all of my time speaking to japs, watching raw anime and reading VNs with no problems, but I can't understand 人類は衰退しました, what am I doing wrong?

>>17369969
You clearly haven't read much then.

>>17369969
you only understand japanese phonetically

>>17369972
I can read 沙耶の唄, that's supposed to be hard right? But 人類 feels like it's written in a different way, not sure how I'm supposed to tackle it

>>17369879
Not the person you argued with but have you learned any foreign language before? Doing exercises and grammar drills might be fine for a beginner but I don't think I will get you far. You should strive for as much comprehensive input as possible.

>>17369841
A beginner won't know shit. They know that they themselves are beginners. Thus, they know that they know shit all.

>>17369969
It means "humanity is in decline". It's pretty basic desu

>>17369980
You read one visual novel? Anyhow there's nothing particularly special about Jintai, if you literally "can't" read/understand it you can't read a good chunk of the media out there. Just keep reading it, or keep reading other stuff and come back to it if you don't want to ruin the experience. The author has another standalone book called AURA that you could give a try first.

>>17369377
stop posting this you fucking idiot

すきなナッツは

アーモンドです

>>17370000
Latin for 6 years, yes.
You know it went? You read a section of grammar in the textbook, do maybe some exercises, then translate texts in which the grammar is being used, starting with extremely simple stuff at the start, and increasing the length and difficulty as your knowledge builds up.
In classes you have a teacher to help you out, and you review texts you translated.
Note that you don't read the book front to back and then try to translate Cicero. Note that you have a way to check if what you've been doing is correct by means of a teacher or an answer key.
Now obviously doing self study in Japanese you'll mostly be lacking the latter, but that means it's even more important to be critical of yourself and get a solid grasp of the grammar. I never said you shouldn't read, but jumping into an LN or manga in which you're suddenly exposed to a massive amount of grammatical constructions while having nothing but 1 read of Tae Kim under your belt is plain inefficient.

>>17370019
Obviously I've read more than that, just that's probably the hardest I've tried and I find it quite easy
I figured it would have been harder than Jintai which is why I was confused that Jintai's giving me so much trouble
Guess I don't have much choice but to keep practising, thanks for the rec too I'll check it out

>>17369969
Being a DJT EOP. Or not being a DJT EOP enough.

>>17370095
Must be the second one, I stopped coming to these threads after they were moved from /a/

Although I was shit back then too so I guess I can't win

>>17370014
It's a title. Anon meant he doesn't understand how it's written.

>>17369941
恥ずかしく感じる、だから隠れたい。

という事だ。恥ずかしい理由は人それぞれだ。

I don't get capture2text. I press the combination but it doesn't do the OCR? I tried changing the hot keys to other stuff too

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Does anyone know what this kanji is?

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>>17370129
OK nevermind it worked but what is this gibberish

>>17370135
手 obviously

i drew that image myself btw

>>17370139
Gotta set it to Japanese mode.

>>17367606
>I type ... jya because it is is faster [than ja]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u32k97GKcQ

>>17370143
A likely story

What's a good deck that starts with Kanji radicals and builds upon them similar to KanjiDamage but is less edgy and less wrong? I'm having a rough time with just the Core2K deck because I can't build any mental connections and I'm not good at just straight memorization

>>17370200
WaniKani

>>17368638
dude. I tried reading アクセル・ワールド at 1k words, I got like 3 pages in before I gave up. Don't start with an LN. Start with something easy, like an easy VN, or the yotsuba reading pack.

>>17370265
>I got like 3 pages in before I gave up
Wow you sound like a reliable source of information.

>>17370274
I spent days on getting that far cunt. All those compund sentences made my brain melt.

>>17370243
Oh shit this is perfect, thanks

>>17370337
have fun not learning japanese

>>17370343
he says as he isn't learning japanese

>>17370378
dont have to learn what you already know

Bug report: The shinmoemanga site doesn't scale properly when resized or used on mobile devices.

>>17370343
Shit you're right, this is too focused on radicals, since it covers radicals which aren't actually words too. Plus it's too memey, maybe I'll try ordering my own deck out of the Core2K

>>17370085
I think what you described is pretty much the standard way in which languages are taught in schools.
Now, I can't share my experiences with Japanese since I'm still very much a beginner but I got proficient at English basically by consuming a lot of native content. I recall classes being a training wheels that allowed me to start to read without being completely lost.
Personally, what I'm doing now is to try to imitate it with Japanese. Except instead of taking classes I'm grinding through Core and DoJG.

>>17370085
Six years studying a dead language that nobody is fluent in.

Proof that traditional education doesn't work.

Did I fuck something up with Anki? I was doing pretty well, but all of a sudden, every session is starting with ten cards I've seen once or twice before and then those cards aren't showing up for the rest of the session. Normally, the newer cards would show up through the session after starting with a dozen or two dozen cards I wasn't quiiiite mature with, but had down pretty well. Or is this change of pace normal? Either way, it's pretty discouraging - is there some way to change this without resetting my entire progress?

>>17370439
>and then those cards aren't showing up for the rest of the session
What does this even mean? Do you hit Again or not? If so, they will show up. If not, you told the program you remember so why would it show them again?

What do you guys use to read epub files?

>>17370455
My Kindle after I convert them.